Tuesday, 2016-10-11

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wasmumjlk: think I have it working now.  thanks13:40
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* fifieldt waves13:47
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jlkgood day to you fifieldt13:52
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fifieldtthank you jlk !13:57
fifieldtgood to see you :)13:57
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jlkHeh, I'm resurfacing after a few months of being way too busy13:58
fifieldtvery good to have you back13:58
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fifieldthow's the sanity?13:58
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jlkpretty good actually.13:59
jlkabout to dive into moving our product up to Newton, so that may change ;)13:59
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jlkI hope to have our master branch on Newton by Summit, maybe even with an upgrade play too.13:59
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fifieldtnice one!14:00
fifieldtI see mperazol , mihalis68, shintaro, dc_mattj and med_ and VW for this meeting14:00
fifieldtDoes one of you wish to chair?14:00
med_yep \o14:00
med_erm, nope14:00
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med_but I am here14:00
fifieldtwb dc_mattj14:01
VWmorning!14:01
VWand/or evning14:01
fifieldtI feel like I talked too much last meeting, so hoping someone else could lead things today :)14:01
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fifieldtmornuing VW :)14:01
mihalis68good timezone everyone!14:01
shintarohi14:01
fifieldtgood timezone mihalis6814:01
mperazolhello14:01
fifieldt#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team14:01
fifieldtlet's start recording14:02
fifieldt#startmeeting Ops Meetups Team14:02
openstackMeeting started Tue Oct 11 14:02:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is fifieldt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:02
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetups_team'14:02
fifieldtHello all, and welcome to the Ops Meetups Team meeting :)14:02
fifieldtNB: If you're new, or just idling in the channel, be sure to have read:14:02
fifieldt#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ops_Meetups_Team14:02
fifieldtCheck out our agenda items at:14:02
fifieldt# link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team14:02
fifieldtfor background.14:02
fifieldtAs always: please write your name down on the agenda etherpad as a way of introduction.14:02
fifieldtSecondly, if there's something else burning to put on the agenda, please add it to that sam2e etherpad.14:02
fifieldt#topic Review of action items from the previous meeting14:02
fifieldt1.     fifieldt to write-uip cheddar -- deferred until post-summit, since we don't need it immediately14:03
fifieldt2.14:03
fifieldtmihalis68 to etherpad reply email something something14:03
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mihalis68ah yes, thought of that in the middle of the night. Sorry, no progress. Will ether pad it today14:03
fifieldtno worries14:03
mihalis68unless we want to add it to a more official web page? I don't have the link but the official page for this team?14:03
fifieldt#action mihalis68 to followup on mid-cycle proposal email with a how to make forward14:03
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fifieldtwe can use the wiki?14:03
fifieldthttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ops_Meetups_Team <--14:04
mihalis68I think of ether pads as one-offs and this feels a bit more permanent14:04
mihalis68yes thank you14:04
fifieldtright, cool14:04
mihalis68who agrees the call for hosting should live there?14:04
mihalis68and emails and tweets about asking for proposals can reference it?14:04
med_yep14:05
med_+114:05
fifieldt+114:05
mperazolsounds reasonable14:05
mihalis68alright. Will do it today and email the operators list with an announcement. thanks14:05
fifieldtcheers14:05
mihalis68ether pads for individual meet ups obviously14:05
fifieldtso the other action item that wasn't listed as an action item was that I was supposed to figure how how to do the moderation thing14:06
fifieldtwhich is a nice segway into14:06
fifieldt#topic BCN meetup planning14:06
fifieldtWe are 12 days out14:06
med_T-1214:06
mihalis68holy ...14:06
fifieldtdid everyone see the email I sent to the moderator voluntters?14:06
med_I guess I didn't volunteer yet so no...14:07
VWdown with wiki for call for hosting14:07
fifieldthmm, med, you were on my list14:07
* med_ is supposed to put his name next to something14:07
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* fifieldt forwards14:07
VWyep - saw the email14:07
med_Ah, Iwa slooking in my o-o list14:07
med_yep, have the moderators14:07
med_probably 2 now14:08
mperazolI saw it and put some content in the logging session14:08
med_hadn't read it sadly14:08
fifieldtthank you very much mperazol14:08
mperazolhow many sessions are still without moderators? I didn't open every one14:09
fifieldtthe sad bit is ... most of them :(14:09
fifieldtthe email didn't have the desired affect14:09
shintaroI saw the email but haven't figured out the session I could handle14:09
fifieldthmmm, I wonder if other peope are at that stage?14:09
med_Just haven't signed up yet, nothing blocking me14:10
VWme as well14:10
VWfor specific sessions that is14:10
mihalis68I have imposter syndrome.. me moderate? That's unpossible14:10
fifieldtmaybe one of you could reply after having selected a session to start the dominos?14:10
mihalis68you mean discuss moderators via email? Or here?14:11
med_If it helps mihalis68 you can think of it as holding court or refereeing.14:11
fifieldtalso - for reference, here is your bookmark link for the agenda:14:11
fifieldt#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Ops+Summit%3A14:11
mihalis68I have some affinity to every topic listed on the hardware one14:11
mihalis68but I feel certain there are better peopel14:11
mihalis68more suited I mean more qualified14:11
med_the moderator shouldn't be the expert (or not the most-expert) on the topic. You want the experts volleying ideas14:12
fifieldtVW, btw, did you confirm with John Garbutt ?14:12
med_and the moderator should "elect" "nominate" someone to take notes on the etherpad so he/she can keep juggling and moving the convo along14:12
fifieldt+1 masive wisdom from med14:12
mihalis68ok then I'll volunteer for hardware session14:12
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VWno, I'll circle back with him fifieldt.  Apologies, but what did we figure out about Nova sessuion schedule versus or plan for that session in Ops land?14:13
VWsorry - I coudn't pay close attention last week14:13
fifieldtyes, VW14:13
fifieldtno nova sessions at all during our fishbowls14:13
fifieldt#action VW to confirm nova sessio moderator or ask for help14:14
mihalis68I wasn't sure if fifieldt meant reply here to start dominos or by email after14:14
VWI think he meant email14:14
mihalis68but if anyone else is like me after this IRC work captures me for hours, days...14:14
mihalis68ok14:14
VWI put my name down on one already, but I need to figure out the nova bit first since it overlaps14:15
mihalis68if we could flush out some mods here it might help kickstart14:15
fifieldtyeah, email , like "I just signed up and it was awesome!!!!11111"14:15
fifieldtwell, jlk might sign up for something ;)14:15
fifieldtalternative option - someone could go through the list of moderator voluntters and assign them to sessions :)14:16
fifieldtthen email that out14:16
mihalis68I feel that people volunteering works much better, but I agree the pace is too slow. That perhaps should be used for the long tail after our emails later?14:17
fifieldtok14:17
mperazolyeah, I think it might be better too if we "propose" assignments and then got confirmation...14:18
fifieldtdata: so far we have only 2 sessions with moderators14:18
fifieldtdata: normally we cancel sessions without moderators :)14:18
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mihalis68to sign-up just put name on ether pad? Google doc? both? which is definitive?14:18
mperazolwhat's usually the deadline for cancellation if no moderators show up?14:18
fifieldtThe etherpad for the session14:18
mriedem1stevemar: link me again14:18
fifieldtmperazol: normally do it a week out14:19
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* med_ snagged Scaling14:19
stevemarmriedem: any idea whats going on in the nova tests here? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/384501/ -- i rechecked for now i think its a timeout14:19
mihalis68I just signed up for hardware, imposter syndrome be damned14:19
yankcrimehi!14:20
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fifieldtit's yankcrime !14:20
* yankcrime waves14:20
yankcrimei've been well out of it all recently, crazy busy14:20
yankcrimeBUT14:20
fifieldtalso: normally send the call for moderators to the ops ML14:20
yankcrimei've just stuck my name down to volunteer for some sessions14:20
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fifieldtthanks yankcrime !!!14:20
yankcrimei suggested the security stuff so i'm happy to do that14:20
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yankcrimeeven though i'm absolutely not a security expert by even the remotest stretch of anyone's imagination14:21
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fifieldtyankcrime: according to med, it's the job of the moderators to evoke the experts to talk :D14:21
VWyou don't have to be, yankcrime - just get the ones who are in the room to talk ;)14:21
mihalis68everyone just told me the moderator just facilitates the experts exchanging the info14:21
mihalis68which is how I volunteered :)14:21
med_+10014:21
fricklerstevemar: yep, osic8 was having network issues earlier, recheck should work now14:21
fifieldtserverascode: are you moderating telco/nfv?14:21
mihalis68we need rewards... Tom buys every moderator a beer, and then every moderator returns the favor.14:22
mihalis68well, that appears to be the system after NYC :)14:22
fifieldtmihalis68: if beers are needed, they are certainly available :)14:22
fifieldtI owe you all beers aleady14:22
fifieldtplease cash them in in BCN :)14:22
mihalis68maybe we can run through open slots here? Unless there's more pressing biz?14:23
yankcrimei hear what people are saying about moderators not being experts, but obviously it helps if they're reasonably versed in a particular subject area in case there's gaps / silence14:23
mihalis68migration to openstack? volunteer?14:23
fifieldtmihalis68: I "bolded" the sessions with moderators on the google sheet for convenicnce: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EUSYMs3GfglnD8yfFaAXWhLe0F5y9hCUKqCYe0Vp1oA/edit#gid=80351347714:23
mihalis68I know stuff about hardware but not a notable expert. I think that's the level14:23
mihalis68I mean we deploy some hundreds machine converged, ceph, HA, leaf spine etc14:23
shintaromaybe I can do telco/nfv if serverascode is not available14:24
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mihalis68I suggest people who will moderate unless someone better turns up put their name down and say this via email14:25
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mihalis68Is curtis here?14:25
mihalis68serverascode I mean :)14:25
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VWpoint of order question - what's the difference in the telco/NFV session on our schedule versus the working group session on Wed?14:28
shintaroI see serverascode already got his name on the telcom/NFV session etherpad14:29
fifieldtVW, my gues was similar to LDT's two sessions - one for early week, one for later week14:30
fifieldtor something14:30
fifieldtshintaro: I may have written that in myself14:30
VWoh - makes sense14:30
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VWLDT only was one though :P14:30
fifieldtok, we are half way through the time of this meeting.14:31
fifieldtthank you so much for the rapid progress with the moderators14:31
shintarofifieldt ok I will put mine alongside14:31
fifieldtsince it didn't look like there were voluntters to email the "call fior mods" to the ops ML, I can do that :)14:31
fifieldtthanks shintaro !14:31
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fifieldtAre there other items related to Barcelona that people would like to discuss?14:31
fifieldtif not, two shout-outs:14:32
mihalis68is there a night we get together socially?14:32
mperazolbefore we cancel any sessions I think we should hold until next Tue's meeting14:32
VWjohnthetubaguy confirmed, fifieldt and co14:32
fifieldt#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/17241/ops-informal-meetup14:32
fifieldt^^ this is the informal meetup, the session with no agenda on Friday14:33
fifieldtit's normally pretty good14:33
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fifieldtcheers VW!14:33
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fifieldtmperazol: +114:33
VWare the other rooms available as well on Friday, fifieldt14:33
mihalis68oh darn. my flight is first thing friday. There wasn't much other choice direct back to NYC14:33
VWif we need to have any adhoc follow ups14:33
fifieldt#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/17374/community-awards-and-feedback-session14:33
fifieldt^^ this is the contributor awards and feedback session14:33
fifieldtso if the AC was too cold, and you didn't try and get it fixed during the week for some reason, you can complain here14:34
fifieldtmihalis68: that sounds nice!14:34
fifieldtVW: friday is packed14:34
fifieldtlunch room only basically14:35
fifieldtbecause the desing summit is still going strong into friday this time14:35
med_kind of bummed the ops session is afternoon Friday... kind of spoils kicking off the weekend early14:35
mihalis68I am required at home by the friday night14:35
fifieldtagreed, med_14:35
med_c'est la vie14:35
med_New summit, new rules.14:35
VWah - got it14:35
fifieldtunfortunately there were just no rooms for us on Fri modrning14:35
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med_nod14:35
VWgoogle doc doesn't reflect design summit stuff14:35
fifieldtin order to get dedicated time just for us on the tuesday14:35
fifieldtwe pushed the entire design summit back a quarter of a day14:36
VWfair enough14:36
fifieldtwas the trade off, sadly14:36
VWwe can roll with it14:36
VWthings change again next go round14:36
fifieldtindeed14:36
fifieldtok, so, wghere are we at topic wise at the moment14:37
fifieldtshintaro always has good ideas14:37
fifieldtor VW, or med_ , ?14:37
fifieldt(clarity - topic-wise for this meeting)14:37
VWI think BCN is in good shape.  A little more work to do14:37
fifieldt#action fifieldt to email the call for modes to the ops ML14:37
VWcan we talk about the next mid-cycle14:38
med_and we're soliciting that via email.14:38
VWwould love to get to BCN with an idea of where it is14:38
fifieldt#topic next midcycle14:38
mperazolwhere will mid-cycle be? defined already?14:38
med_that would be OUTSTANDING VW14:38
mihalis68we only know europe or apac so far IIRC14:38
med_so EU? or AP?14:38
med_jinx14:38
med_have we had volunteers raise their hands yet?14:39
mihalis68I think the process now is see if there are any volunteer hosts14:39
mihalis68I have not heard of any14:39
mihalis68but they might also contact tom or someone else directly14:39
shintaroI am planning to raise my hand for Tokyo14:40
mihalis68I'll update the above-linked Ops Meetups wiki with the call for sponsors today immediately after this and then ping the list again with an invite to hosts14:40
shintaroand I think there was one from Milan?14:40
mihalis68these are offers with venue details and dates?14:40
mperazolnewbie question: this is not co-located with design mid-cycle?14:41
claytonno, it's not14:41
VWtraditionally, these have been much more focused on getting operators engaged in the community and sharing issues/ideas/best practices14:42
mperazolok, makes sense14:42
VWwe use the summits as a chance to do more work and have OPs in the rooms with devs, etc14:42
VWat least that's the theory ;)14:42
mihalis68if anyone has details of an offer to host in Milan can they share?14:42
mihalis68Is there anyone here who would like to moderate the Ceph session?14:44
mihalis68because I could do that too14:44
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VWdid we lose fifieldt?14:44
fifieldtI have the contact details for the milano meet14:44
fifieldtI'm ehre, just watching14:45
fifieldt:)14:45
VWcool14:45
mihalis68I have a personal interest in the milan idea, since I am 100% certain that my wife will insist on coming too if I attend that one14:45
mihalis68so dates would be good14:45
VWyeah, but as a counter point, the most recent summit to it will have been in Europe14:45
VWdo we want to consider using the opportunity to spred out further geographically14:46
fifieldtIIRC the plan was to get offers for the next two midcycles14:46
fifieldtthen have a chat :)14:46
mihalis68it is supposed to oppose the next summit i.e. Boston I believe14:46
mihalis68i.e. "be far from"14:46
VWyeah14:46
mihalis68I signed up for Ceph14:46
mihalis68in for a penny, in for a pound14:46
VWbut agreed with fifieldt - sounds like we have a couple of offers for the next one14:47
mihalis68Join the moderators club!14:47
mihalis68You can do it!14:47
VWdo we have any potentials for august14:47
mihalis68I have to say operators mid-cycle in tokyo next seems like a good idea too, though14:47
mihalis68I might not be able to make that one but getting back to Japan is good for the travel balancing idea14:48
VWalso, related to planning both of the next ones, we never scheduled ourselves a session at BCN :O14:48
med_I suspect for non NA, Charter will have much less participation (but I hope we at least send one or two)14:48
med_(north america)14:48
med_ah a midops planning session at BCN14:48
med_we can cover it fri afternoon with whoever is around14:48
VWat least a chance for the ops meetup team to meet14:49
VWin person14:49
VW:D14:49
jlksorry I got distracted here at AnsibleFest. I'm going to sign up to moderate some things for summit14:49
fifieldtmaybe drinks? :)14:50
fifieldt(10 minute warning)14:50
VWdrinks is good14:50
* VW may have to pack an extra liver14:50
fifieldtok, so it sounds like we've conclucded to wait for the responses to talk further14:50
fifieldtwhich might happen by next week14:50
mperazolI'll up for it too when I meet you guys at bcn14:50
VWindeed14:50
mihalis68I have to shop for power adapters AND an extra liver. Ok then...14:51
VWshould we claim one of the unused spots Tuesday afternoon on the scheudle for ops meetup team14:51
* med_ has zero int'l facilities to offer but will work on August.14:51
mihalis68yes please14:51
fifieldtcould be a good opportunity to recruit new people14:51
VWyep14:51
* VW updates google doc14:51
fifieldtplease also make an etherpad with a session description, then I will add it to the live schedule14:52
med_+114:52
VW5:55 on Tuesday14:52
fifieldt#action VW to schedule ops meetups team meet at BCN14:52
shintaroFor the Milan proposal, zioproto said he is exchanging email with people in enter.it. This is irc log from 27 Sep14:52
VWsorry that it's at the end of the day, but this lets us get to as many others as we can14:52
fifieldtnp14:53
mihalis68is the milan proposal adjacent to some related convention at all?14:53
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VWfifieldt: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BCN-ops-meeup-team14:54
VWneed to add a description and such14:54
VWbut that should get you what you need14:54
mihalis68typo alert. meeup14:54
fifieldtcheers!14:55
jlkheh, there was content on that one, I was confused14:55
fifieldtok, 5 minutes left14:55
jlkoh.14:55
jlkuh14:55
fifieldtjlk: mm?14:55
mihalis68this one? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BCN-ops-meetup14:55
jlkdisregard.14:55
fifieldtyessir14:55
fifieldthttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BCN-ops-meeup-team <-- typo?14:56
VWdoh14:56
VWthanks mihalis6814:56
VWfixing14:56
med_more like muppet speak14:56
mihalis68Tom if you do get anywhere re: cheddar I hereby vow to try and help clean this up14:56
mihalis68this workflow14:56
med_dr. bunsen honeydew14:56
fifieldtcheers mate!14:56
VW#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BCN-ops-meetup-team14:56
VWgive me an actin to make it pretty fifieldt14:56
VWbut for now, I have to run to another meeting14:57
fifieldt#action VW make it pretty14:57
fifieldtwe're about done here, anyway14:57
fifieldtany closing thoughts on things we need to do until next week?14:57
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mihalis68oh I see the typo ether pad was the team one springing into life14:57
med_purify your livers now.14:57
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mihalis68such confuse. very brow wrinkle. wo14:57
mihalis68wow14:57
med_#action purify your livers now14:57
fifieldt+114:58
mihalis68I grew up in Britain where the belief is you need to practice, keep up your drinking strength14:58
med_ah, good point14:58
fifieldtexcellent14:58
fifieldtwell it seesm we're at our end14:58
fifieldtthank you so very much14:59
mihalis68on a personal note I'm around most of the monday14:59
mihalis68in case lunch is doable with anyone here14:59
mihalis68at BCN I mean14:59
fifieldtplease do claim those drinks I owe you, whenever you see me (or provide a link to an online store nearby you)14:59
mihalis68confused, you bought them all at NYC finishing do14:59
fifieldthope your clouds are happy this $TIMEOFDAY15:00
fifieldt#endmeeting15:00
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shintarothank you15:00
mihalis68cheers all15:00
jlkcheers15:00
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/osops-tools-contrib: Adding DreamHost environment  https://review.openstack.org/37439416:24
openstackgerritMerged openstack/osops-tools-contrib: Add .tox and site.retry to gitignore list  https://review.openstack.org/38473316:25
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openstackgerritStefano Maffulli 'reed' proposed openstack/osops-tools-contrib: Changed DreamHost image flavor  https://review.openstack.org/38509117:05
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