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| cartik | http://pastebin.com/H2PrD9eW | 12:07 |
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| cartik | AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'URIOpt' | 12:07 |
| cartik | while installing devstack | 12:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | James Page proposed openstack/osops-tools-contrib: ansible: support full offline use for lampstack https://review.openstack.org/388006 | 13:09 |
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| yankcrime | managed to fix my horizon issue from yesterday \o/ | 13:44 |
| yankcrime | that was an annoying one | 13:44 |
| yankcrime | turns out i had two entries for 'compute' in my keystone service catalogue | 13:44 |
| yankcrime | but only on of the services had any valid endpoints associated with it | 13:44 |
| yankcrime | *one | 13:44 |
| yankcrime | that was also true for volume and for image | 13:45 |
| yankcrime | so once i'd cleaned those up, horizon started behaving | 13:45 |
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| fifieldt | hullo | 13:53 |
| tojuvone | hi | 13:54 |
| fifieldt | how are you? :) | 13:54 |
| tojuvone | Great and you? | 13:54 |
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| fifieldt | more than a little busy, but relishing it :) | 13:55 |
| VW | happy Tuesday | 13:55 |
| tojuvone | the usual :D | 13:55 |
| mrhillsman | g'morning/evening/afternoon | 13:57 |
| fifieldt | happy $TIMEOFDAY | 13:57 |
| fifieldt | how's the cloud? | 13:58 |
| dmsimard | fifieldt: it's raining today :( | 13:58 |
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| tojuvone | Sunny here, but not too wrm | 13:58 |
| fifieldt | hmm | 13:59 |
| fifieldt | apparently we have a meeting starting in a minute or so | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | #startmeeting Ops Meetups Team | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 18 14:00:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fifieldt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetups_team' | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | anyone up for the ops meetups team meeting? | 14:00 |
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| mihalis68 | yep | 14:00 |
| med_ | \o | 14:00 |
| shintaro | hi | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | NB: If you're new, or just idling in the channel, be sure to have read: | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ops_Meetups_Team | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | Check out our agenda items at: | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | # link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | for background. | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | As always: please write your name down on the agenda etherpad as a way of introduction. | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | Secondly, if there's something else burning to put on the agenda, please add it to that same etherpad. | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | anyone feel like chairing the meeting today>? | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | oh, I guess it's me? :) | 14:02 |
| fifieldt | ok then | 14:02 |
| fifieldt | #topic Past meeting overview | 14:02 |
| fifieldt | #link : http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetups_team/2016/ops_meetups_team.2016-10-11-14.02.html | 14:02 |
| fifieldt | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetups_team/2016/ops_meetups_team.2016-10-11-14.02.html | 14:03 |
| fifieldt | so, VW confirmed the nvoa session at Barcelona | 14:03 |
| VW | yep | 14:03 |
| fifieldt | call for mods hit the ops list | 14:03 |
| fifieldt | ops meetup was scheduled in barcelona | 14:03 |
| fifieldt | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/17413/ops-ops-meetups-team | 14:03 |
| fifieldt | ops meetups team meeting, rather ;) | 14:03 |
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| fifieldt | ^^ add that to your agendas | 14:03 |
| fifieldt | and we are all at a high elvel of excitement, right? | 14:04 |
| fifieldt | high level of excitement*? | 14:04 |
| fifieldt | no? | 14:04 |
| med_ | wooty w00t WOOT! | 14:04 |
| fifieldt | that's more like it :) | 14:04 |
| mperazol | looking forward to have beers with you guys in BCN :-) | 14:05 |
| fifieldt | mihalis68 also did some work on the mid-cycle CFP | 14:05 |
| fifieldt | but let's leave that discussion to agenda item #3 | 14:05 |
| fifieldt | since I figure we can get rapidly through any remaining BCN issues | 14:05 |
| VW | sorry - so much excitement - just in a simultaneous video meeting about the same summit this one is about :O | 14:05 |
| fifieldt | #topic Barcelona Ops Meetup | 14:05 |
| * fifieldt awards points to VW for m,ultitasking | 14:05 | |
| mrhillsman | same here VW | 14:06 |
| fifieldt | relevant links: | 14:06 |
| fifieldt | Agenda: https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Ops+Summit%3A | 14:06 |
| fifieldt | Etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BCN-ops-meetup | 14:06 |
| fifieldt | Planning spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EUSYMs3GfglnD8yfFaAXWhLe0F5y9hCUKqCYe0Vp1oA/edit#gid=803513477 | 14:06 |
| med_ | so he's splitting his excitement between two meetings. still pretty darn excited | 14:06 |
| fifieldt | so, our big work for the past week has been moderators | 14:06 |
| fifieldt | you'll recall we weere pretty worried about it last week :) | 14:06 |
| fifieldt | but, the good news is: we did it :) | 14:06 |
| fifieldt | majority of the sessions have moderators | 14:06 |
| med_ | woot. | 14:06 |
| mrhillsman | yep! | 14:06 |
| med_ | what's vacant? | 14:06 |
| fifieldt | congratulations | 14:06 |
| * med_ has no crystabl ball cheat sheet for seeing vacancies | 14:07 | |
| fifieldt | so, med_ , all, if you open up the planning spreadsheet | 14:07 |
| fifieldt | the "bold" colour ones have moderators set | 14:07 |
| med_ | gotcha | 14:07 |
| fifieldt | to itemize: | 14:07 |
| med_ | ie, dark green is good to go? | 14:07 |
| fifieldt | yessir | 14:07 |
| med_ | but faded not so much | 14:07 |
| fifieldt | exactly' | 14:07 |
| fifieldt | HAProy, MySQL, Rabbit Tuning -- Clint Byrum signed up to do this but wants a co-moderator who knwos rabbit | 14:08 |
| med_ | I was looking for bold text last time you said that. | 14:08 |
| med_ | very poor on my part | 14:08 |
| fifieldt | Alt Deployment tech & ControlPlane Design(multi region) -- serverascode signed up, but would appreciate comoderators | 14:08 |
| fifieldt | So these 3 sessions are "safe" | 14:08 |
| * med_ needs to beat the drum for Lightning Talks via email | 14:08 | |
| fifieldt | that would be great med_ | 14:08 |
| fifieldt | #action med_ to beat the drum regarding lighting talks | 14:09 |
| mihalis68 | I sent a request for them I think a couple of weeks ago | 14:09 |
| fifieldt | These sessions should be cancelled: | 14:09 |
| shintaro | how many more LTs do we need? | 14:09 |
| fifieldt | Fleet Management | 14:09 |
| fifieldt | Horizon | 14:09 |
| fifieldt | shintaro: maybe 2-3 ? | 14:09 |
| * fifieldt defers to med | 14:09 | |
| VW | is that due to lack of interest or moderators or both, fifieldt | 14:09 |
| fifieldt | Fleet management had 13 people signed up earlier in the week | 14:10 |
| fifieldt | Horizon had 8 | 14:10 |
| fifieldt | so they're not the most popular sessions | 14:10 |
| shintaro | fifieldt: ok I will keep looking for some more | 14:10 |
| fifieldt | but it's mostly due to having no moderator | 14:10 |
| fifieldt | also, thereis zero session content listed for either of those | 14:10 |
| fifieldt | I also found out that there's a Horizong feedback session in the Horizon dev track too | 14:11 |
| fifieldt | so maybe we can let Horizon die? | 14:11 |
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| fifieldt | (also, hint: I added some more relevent sessions past Tuesday to our Agenda search term: https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Ops+Summit%3A ) | 14:12 |
| mperazol | maybe "morph" it in discussing possible ideas for Ops-focused horizon extensions/changes? that would interest me | 14:12 |
| fifieldt | mperazol: that's basically what the session in the horizon dev terack is : https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/16948/horizon-operator-and-plugin-author-feedback | 14:12 |
| med_ | I'll do a poll during lightning talks about how many ops use Horizon. | 14:13 |
| mperazol | oh ok, guess I have to go to that then | 14:13 |
| med_ | that will be my lightning. | 14:13 |
| fifieldt | #starvote Should we cancel the Horizon ops session? Yes, No | 14:13 |
| fifieldt | #startvote Should we cancel the Horizon ops session? Yes, No | 14:13 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Should we cancel the Horizon ops session? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 14:13 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 14:13 |
| fifieldt | #Vote Yes | 14:13 |
| mperazol | #vote yes | 14:13 |
| shintaro | #vote yes | 14:14 |
| tojuvone | #vote yes | 14:14 |
| fifieldt | closing the vote in 30secs | 14:14 |
| mihalis68 | #vote yes | 14:14 |
| fifieldt | last chance | 14:14 |
| fifieldt | #endvote | 14:15 |
| openstack | Voted on "Should we cancel the Horizon ops session?" Results are | 14:15 |
| openstack | Yes (5): shintaro, mperazol, tojuvone, mihalis68, fifieldt | 14:15 |
| fifieldt | ok, so, that session is gone | 14:15 |
| fifieldt | next up | 14:15 |
| fifieldt | #startvote Should we cancel the Fleet Management ops session? Yes, No | 14:15 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Should we cancel the Fleet Management ops session? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 14:15 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 14:15 |
| fifieldt | 1 minute for the vote, please | 14:15 |
| VW | #vote yes | 14:15 |
| tojuvone | #vote yes | 14:15 |
| mperazol | #vote yes | 14:16 |
| mihalis68 | #vote yes | 14:16 |
| fifieldt | 10secs | 14:16 |
| fifieldt | #endvote | 14:16 |
| openstack | Voted on "Should we cancel the Fleet Management ops session?" Results are | 14:16 |
| openstack | Yes (4): tojuvone, mperazol, mihalis68, VW | 14:16 |
| fifieldt | ok, so those sessions were the only ones we needed to consider cancelling | 14:17 |
| fifieldt | We've also had one last minute request | 14:17 |
| fifieldt | from the Logging WG | 14:17 |
| fifieldt | for a working session | 14:17 |
| fifieldt | since we have spare slots, I propose we give it to them even though they didn't put it on the therpad? | 14:17 |
| fifieldt | what are your thoughts? | 14:17 |
| med_ | +1 | 14:17 |
| yankcrime | was that via ronald bradford by any chance fifieldt? | 14:17 |
| fifieldt | rocky grober | 14:17 |
| yankcrime | k | 14:17 |
| fifieldt | but I think he is involved | 14:17 |
| shintaro | so they didn't get the official WG slot? | 14:18 |
| yankcrime | i know ronald's been really keen to speak to more operators about our use of various logging capabilities | 14:18 |
| yankcrime | and why so many ops run with services cranked up to debug | 14:18 |
| fifieldt | well, we should sign him up as a mdoerator :) | 14:18 |
| mrhillsman | +1 | 14:18 |
| yankcrime | +1 | 14:18 |
| fifieldt | yankcrime: sound slike you know him pretty well? | 14:18 |
| mperazol | +1, interests me | 14:18 |
| tojuvone | +1 | 14:18 |
| yankcrime | yeah we've exchanged a few emails | 14:18 |
| yankcrime | i'm happy to reach out to him | 14:18 |
| fifieldt | If I forward you this email from Rocky, could you reach out to him? | 14:18 |
| yankcrime | sure, no probs | 14:18 |
| fifieldt | sweet | 14:19 |
| fifieldt | #action fifieldt to email yankcrime regarding logging session | 14:19 |
| fifieldt | ok, are there any other barcelona related discussions? | 14:19 |
| tojuvone | I'l like to discuss host maintenance if possible | 14:20 |
| med_ | what do you mean by "Host Maint"? | 14:20 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 14:21 |
| tojuvone | It's in ops mailinglist | 14:21 |
| med_ | underlying computer hosting VMs or control plane? and all that jazz? | 14:21 |
| * med_ looks it up | 14:21 | |
| tojuvone | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2016-October/011807.html | 14:21 |
| tojuvone | Just that might start a new service to host that. | 14:22 |
| med_ | so more of a dev thing than an ops thing | 14:22 |
| tojuvone | Had a session in Austin already for this related to Nova | 14:22 |
| VW | I'm penning an email to the WG leaders today, fifieldt - sorry behind on that one - to get them to the meet the WG sessions | 14:22 |
| med_ | unless you are looking for usage uptake feedback | 14:22 |
| tojuvone | well, just like interest and what else could be there | 14:23 |
| med_ | kk | 14:23 |
| fifieldt | we do have slots ... | 14:23 |
| tojuvone | that's why ops | 14:23 |
| shintaro | tojuvone: if its NFV related, you can put your agenda on the etherpad for telco/NFV session. | 14:23 |
| tojuvone | already kind of agreed with Nova | 14:23 |
| tojuvone | Origin from NFV yes, but like to have it for all | 14:24 |
| med_ | well, not sure it will get enough uptake buy-in to be its own session | 14:24 |
| med_ | I think it could happen in the Nova doubleheader as well | 14:24 |
| med_ | since garbutt has already weighed in | 14:24 |
| shintaro | or on Friday | 14:25 |
| tojuvone | ok, so maybe in telco/NFV then. | 14:25 |
| tojuvone | This is quite clear on Nova side. No need to have that discussion. It is about starting to build new service | 14:25 |
| med_ | yep, definitely in friday's roundtable | 14:25 |
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| shintaro | Friday session is kind of open discussion so you can add you agenda there | 14:26 |
| tojuvone | ok :) | 14:26 |
| mperazol | if we build a new service it should prob be more generic than for maint only, some kind of scheduling service | 14:26 |
| med_ | so we need a moderator for Friday? | 14:26 |
| fifieldt | tojuvone: does that conclusion get what you need? | 14:26 |
| med_ | its' non-bold atm | 14:26 |
| fifieldt | med_: damn your pedantry, sir :) | 14:26 |
| fifieldt | Friday is "informal" | 14:27 |
| fifieldt | so we don't do any organising | 14:27 |
| fifieldt | however, I did just make an etherpad for it | 14:27 |
| fifieldt | FRIDAY | 14:27 |
| fifieldt | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BCN-ops-informal-meetup | 14:27 |
| med_ | kk | 14:27 |
| tojuvone | mperazol: Need all this kind of information really. If to have more on it | 14:27 |
| * med_ is a documented Pedant and registered with the State. | 14:27 | |
| tojuvone | thanks | 14:27 |
| fifieldt | tojuvone: in my experience, you will get a lot more people turning up to the friday session than if we asdd a last minute session on the agenda now, so it could work out well :) | 14:28 |
| fifieldt | but want to make sure you're happy :) | 14:28 |
| fifieldt | since Host Maint is important! | 14:28 |
| VW | we should put some items on the friday agenda for the sessions that we are canceling elswhere | 14:28 |
| VW | that way the topics can at least be touched on | 14:28 |
| fifieldt | good idea VW | 14:29 |
| fifieldt | ok, so we can doo that offline | 14:29 |
| fifieldt | are there any other barcelona conversations to be had? | 14:29 |
| * med_ put a brief note in the friday | 14:29 | |
| med_ | but not the canceled sessions yet | 14:29 |
| fifieldt | beautiful! | 14:29 |
| med_ | and thanks for making it... I was struggling to find it before you did. | 14:30 |
| fifieldt | existence is key | 14:30 |
| fifieldt | ok, going once for Barcelona topics ... | 14:30 |
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| fifieldt | going twice ... | 14:31 |
| fifieldt | it seems like we did a really good job organising this one :) | 14:31 |
| fifieldt | no last minute badness | 14:31 |
| fifieldt | very, very impressive!! | 14:31 |
| fifieldt | congratulations on that - it's a huge step | 14:31 |
| * med_ wonders if fifieldt is already in BCN.... | 14:32 | |
| fifieldt | but, unless there's anything else to discuss for BCN, we move on: | 14:32 |
| mperazol | with 5 days to spare | 14:32 |
| fifieldt | #topic Next Mid-cycles | 14:32 |
| fifieldt | med_: leaving THU PM UTC+8 | 14:32 |
| fifieldt | so, next midcycles | 14:32 |
| fifieldt | mihalis68 wrote some fantastic stuff on the wiki | 14:32 |
| fifieldt | did anyone see it? | 14:32 |
| shintaro | yep | 14:33 |
| fifieldt | shintaro, thoughts? | 14:33 |
| fifieldt | as a potential proposer | 14:33 |
| fifieldt | did it make your life easier or happier? | 14:33 |
| mihalis68 | I know I proposed to put it there (and did so) but after putting it there I started to wonder if it would be better as its own page on the wiki | 14:33 |
| shintaro | enough info, I guess | 14:33 |
| med_ | request a link if you have it mihalis68 or fifieldt | 14:33 |
| fifieldt | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ops_Meetups_Team#Call_For_Hosts | 14:34 |
| fifieldt | let's give everyone a moment to read | 14:34 |
| VW | it's really good stuff | 14:34 |
| mihalis68 | especially since that page has NOTOC so you can necessarily tell that there's this new thing on the end requesting proposals to host | 14:34 |
| fifieldt | in the meantime, shintaro may have some ideas on improvesments :) since this is the first time we're doing this | 14:34 |
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| med_ | +1 on the looking for hosts writeup | 14:34 |
| shintaro | I think we need on etherpad page to collect proposals and let the community see | 14:35 |
| med_ | or possibly two. one for Mar one for Aug | 14:35 |
| shintaro | or do we discuss this within this team? | 14:35 |
| med_ | mostly this team I suspect | 14:36 |
| med_ | and then maybe a vote at the end to the broader | 14:36 |
| fifieldt | but, like, we need a way to "receive" a proposal | 14:36 |
| med_ | (but making it up as we go) | 14:36 |
| fifieldt | I think I see where shintaro is going | 14:36 |
| fifieldt | at the moment there isn't a nice place to store proposal write-ups | 14:36 |
| shintaro | yes fifield | 14:37 |
| fifieldt | we obviously need some document to refer to during these meetings | 14:37 |
| VW | agreed | 14:37 |
| mperazol | if we do this we'll prob need an etherpad for each proposed meetup | 14:37 |
| mperazol | so they can add their proposals in the right place | 14:37 |
| fifieldt | right - it could be quite long for one etherpad with :"all" proposals ... since there are a lot of details | 14:38 |
| fifieldt | so is it an etherpad with links to other etherpads (or even whatever format the proposer wants) ? | 14:38 |
| shintaro | sounds great | 14:38 |
| mperazol | seems reasonable, but we should request some mandatory info for each | 14:38 |
| VW | is there not a way to leverage the talk submission tool? | 14:39 |
| med_ | don't really want anyone else to have to book the venue a year in advance and then eat it if the ops pick another meeting.... so I don't know that EVERYTHING should be mandatory. | 14:39 |
| VW | I guess that's harder to let folks see all the submissions though | 14:39 |
| fifieldt | for reference, these were the details we collected last time: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss | 14:40 |
| fifieldt | so that might do for the "mandatory questions" side of things? | 14:40 |
| fifieldt | (20 minute warning) | 14:40 |
| shintaro | mandatory info would be "Venue Selection" section https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Operations/Meetups | 14:41 |
| fifieldt | right, that is better | 14:41 |
| fifieldt | ok, so I'm thinking of an action item like this: | 14:41 |
| mperazol | how to enforce? | 14:41 |
| fifieldt | update the Ops Meetups Team wiki page "Call for Hosts" section with a link to an etherpad that contains instructions on how to add a proposal to the list of proposals | 14:42 |
| mihalis68 | I think one ether pad per proposed meet up was enough last time, it allowed comparing seattle vs. nyc | 14:42 |
| fifieldt | ah, good point mihalis68 | 14:42 |
| mperazol | makes sense. if we need more info we can always contact the submitter - answered my own question | 14:42 |
| med_ | true. | 14:43 |
| fifieldt | anyone want to make the magic etherpad? | 14:43 |
| mihalis68 | I can do that | 14:43 |
| mrhillsman | i have a suggestion | 14:43 |
| fifieldt | Process wise, I guess as part of our meeting preparation, we should always check the list of proposals to see if ere are any new ones | 14:43 |
| fifieldt | mrhillsman: sir! | 14:43 |
| mrhillsman | would github be a good alternative | 14:44 |
| mrhillsman | you can create issues via a template | 14:44 |
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| mrhillsman | and provide some degree of tracking and standard for needed info | 14:44 |
| mihalis68 | interesting. I use github already and am quite comfortable with it | 14:45 |
| mrhillsman | unless we do that on the wiki already | 14:45 |
| mrhillsman | but i am thinking of the tracking, notifications, etc etc that could be beneficial | 14:45 |
| mperazol | what about meetup.com? we could create a category like "Ops Mid-Cycle Meetup Proposal" | 14:46 |
| mrhillsman | just throwing it out there :) | 14:46 |
| mrhillsman | that could work too actually | 14:46 |
| fifieldt | data point: a couple of the people who have been innvolved in fetching midcycle data in the past have been "managers" | 14:47 |
| mrhillsman | and i am familiar with meetup as i am sure others are | 14:47 |
| med_ | smh. let's not drag in more tech and solutions unless there is clearly something wrong with email etherpads and the wiki | 14:47 |
| VW | The think with meetup is, again, how do we keep all the submissions transparent | 14:47 |
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| VW | I say K.I.S.S - go with etherpads until we realize they aren't sufficient | 14:47 |
| mrhillsman | sounds good | 14:48 |
| shintaro | +1 | 14:48 |
| fifieldt | is everyone happy with that approach for now? | 14:48 |
| mperazol | yeah, that should work. and if one of us figure a good way to use something else we can always rediscuss later | 14:48 |
| mperazol | +1 | 14:48 |
| mrhillsman | :D | 14:48 |
| mihalis68 | ok so one new ether pad for the next meet up, which is europe/apac and then a second for the one after that which may be north america? | 14:48 |
| mrhillsman | ^ happy | 14:48 |
| fifieldt | mihalis68: maybe use dates to avoid location constraint just in case? | 14:49 |
| fifieldt | feb/march && august | 14:49 |
| fifieldt | (10 minute warning) | 14:49 |
| fifieldt | mihalis68: are you voluntering to make the etherpad ? | 14:49 |
| mihalis68 | I can avoid putting the location expectations in the title, but it seems that should go in the content | 14:49 |
| mihalis68 | yes I can do both | 14:49 |
| fifieldt | mihalis68: my undertstanding is that we were waiting on submissions before making location calls | 14:50 |
| mihalis68 | a feb/march ether pad and an august one | 14:50 |
| fifieldt | but I could be wrong! | 14:50 |
| mihalis68 | IIRC there's a duty to get region !north america in feb/march I thought | 14:50 |
| fifieldt | oh, right | 14:50 |
| fifieldt | sorry mihalis68 | 14:50 |
| fifieldt | you are correcrt | 14:50 |
| fifieldt | "As mid-cycle meetups traditionally rotate regions to balance travel distances for as many as possible, and since the last one was in New York City, the February/March meet up is expected to be in EMEA or APAC. The August event could be in North America. " | 14:51 |
| mihalis68 | but we still have discussions of milan and tokyo on record | 14:51 |
| fifieldt | got it | 14:51 |
| fifieldt | please ignore me :) | 14:51 |
| med_ | nod. | 14:51 |
| med_ | good plan | 14:51 |
| mihalis68 | it's ok i'm not at maximum speed today either | 14:51 |
| med_ | anything else we need to cover | 14:51 |
| fifieldt | #action mihalis68 to make a quick etherpad for proposal listings for next midcycles | 14:51 |
| fifieldt | mihalis68: would you be able to email ops list when you're done? | 14:51 |
| mihalis68 | yes of course, planning to | 14:51 |
| fifieldt | thank you kindly sir | 14:52 |
| fifieldt | ok, is there anything else for the next midcycles we need to do? | 14:52 |
| mihalis68 | Are there records of the tentative proposals so far? | 14:52 |
| fifieldt | if not, it might be nice to swiftly consider the agenda for our in-person meeting | 14:52 |
| mihalis68 | I don't recall seeing them except when mentioned in this meeting | 14:52 |
| fifieldt | mihalis68: yeah, that's basically it | 14:52 |
| fifieldt | but we know the people to ping | 14:53 |
| mihalis68 | ok well perhaps the ether pads can "flush out" more detail on those proposals. Will get that done today | 14:53 |
| fifieldt | I'll point them at your ops ML post | 14:53 |
| mihalis68 | cool | 14:53 |
| fifieldt | anything further on the midcycle? | 14:53 |
| mihalis68 | no | 14:54 |
| mrhillsman | nada | 14:54 |
| VW | Agenda suggestions: Overview of the group (for new/interested), update on process (etherpads above for example), goals for BCN, Goals for the next two meetups (time lines for decisions, etc) | 14:54 |
| fifieldt | #topic BCN summit in-person meeting | 14:54 |
| fifieldt | we working on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BCN-ops-meetups-team ? | 14:54 |
| mrhillsman | i was wondering what that was | 14:55 |
| VW | do you want a non-fifieldt moderator for this | 14:55 |
| mrhillsman | lol | 14:55 |
| mrhillsman | wrong window, my bad | 14:56 |
| med_ | so second half of lightning talks | 14:56 |
| fifieldt | non-fifieldt moderator is always welcome | 14:56 |
| med_ | which I can cancel if no one signs up | 14:56 |
| fifieldt | I can, however, by then probably give a small update on wtf the "forum" is | 14:56 |
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| fifieldt | yessir med_ | 14:56 |
| VW | I'll do it since I'm supposedly the benevolent dictator | 14:56 |
| VW | and haven't dictated much | 14:56 |
| fifieldt | :D | 14:56 |
| med_ | win | 14:56 |
| fifieldt | oh, right, med_ I see the conflict | 14:56 |
| med_ | not a conflict, just a "choose" | 14:57 |
| VW | but done everything benevolently | 14:57 |
| fifieldt | we can arrange someone else to keep it going maybe | 14:57 |
| med_ | yep, no worries | 14:57 |
| fifieldt | maybe one of the speakers :) | 14:57 |
| med_ | I'm not bailing on either yet.... | 14:57 |
| * med_ is frequently 3-booked at summit | 14:57 | |
| fifieldt | also, I figure since it's the last session of the day, we migth get a drink afterward | 14:57 |
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| fifieldt | ok, so, that agenda VW proposed sounds good | 14:58 |
| fifieldt | anything el;se people wanted to talk about in-person at barcelona? | 14:58 |
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| fifieldt | 2 minute warning | 14:59 |
| fifieldt | or 1 minute | 14:59 |
| fifieldt | or something | 14:59 |
| mrhillsman | seconds :( | 14:59 |
| mrhillsman | will send email | 14:59 |
| fifieldt | we need more mrhillsman | 14:59 |
| mihalis68 | +1 | 14:59 |
| mrhillsman | danke | 15:00 |
| fifieldt | and on that bombshell ... | 15:00 |
| fifieldt | time to go? | 15:00 |
| mrhillsman | we out! | 15:00 |
| VW | yes, sadly | 15:00 |
| fifieldt | thank you all very, very much | 15:00 |
| VW | but next week - in person!!! | 15:00 |
| mrhillsman | great job everyone! | 15:00 |
| tojuvone | Thanks | 15:00 |
| shintaro | thank you | 15:00 |
| fifieldt | looking forward to getting a drink with you in BCN | 15:00 |
| fifieldt | travel safe | 15:00 |
| mperazol | see u there | 15:00 |
| yankcrime | gracias! | 15:00 |
| fifieldt | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 18 15:00:43 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| mihalis68 | +Inf | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetups_team/2016/ops_meetups_team.2016-10-18-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetups_team/2016/ops_meetups_team.2016-10-18-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| mrhillsman | same here see u all therr! | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetups_team/2016/ops_meetups_team.2016-10-18-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| mnaser | dmsimard i believe you've brought up about why not use python openstack clients (but ruby instead for sensu checks), i mentioned the framework was there which is the reason but now i've found this: https://github.com/sensu/sensu-plugin-python | 15:55 |
| mnaser | just wanted to throw it your way in case you wanted to write some tests in python | 15:55 |
| dmsimard | mnaser: I'm probably old school and just use nagios-like checks | 16:10 |
| mnaser | dmsimard i feel you on that! | 16:10 |
| dmsimard | mnaser: sensu is compatible with nagios exit codes, so as long as your script returns those, it can be written in C if you wanted | 16:10 |
| mnaser | yeah we still use a few old school ones | 16:10 |
| mnaser | but those are more around hardware/raid stuff, like check_openmanage etc | 16:10 |
| mnaser | we're adding a lot more hardware so validation of hardware is becoming an increasingly complex problem | 16:11 |
| mnaser | because dell never ships two similar servers :D | 16:11 |
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| klindgren | We are going through some major refactorying issues with Dell | 16:19 |
| klindgren | like stat cables isntalled in servers that wont support 6gbps speeds per drive | 16:19 |
| klindgren | or raid cards with firmware where if you power off the server during a bbu learn cycle it forgets it has a bbu and keeps the cache in write-through mode. | 16:20 |
| klindgren | only got like 400 servers recently with that issue | 16:21 |
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| dmsimard | yuck :( | 16:30 |
| mgagne | klindgren: how about the raid card that forgets its config after a random number of reboot | 16:34 |
| klindgren | we only ran into that with ssd's | 16:37 |
| klindgren | where sometimes on boot the ssd was not detected | 16:37 |
| mnaser | klindgren using actual dell ssds? | 16:47 |
| mnaser | ive seen that issue when using non dell ssds | 16:47 |
| mnaser | mostly around if the ssd doesnt support encryption | 16:47 |
| klindgren | we weren't using dell ssd's | 16:47 |
| klindgren | iirc their were micron | 16:47 |
| mnaser | weird | 16:47 |
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| mnaser | we just do a lot of checks now to deal with oddities | 16:48 |
| mnaser | we should do a lot more imho but time | 16:48 |
| klindgren | yea - hardware is bascially the shits | 16:50 |
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| klindgren | only thing worse would be networking :-D | 16:51 |
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| mnaser | klindgren we just upgraded and renumbered our entire network to spine/leaf architecture | 17:07 |
| mnaser | that was jhell. | 17:07 |
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| klindgren | just wait till you get people forgeting to do bgp announcements off leafs/spines and it starts droping like 1/2 the packets | 17:51 |
| klindgren | and other awesome shit | 17:51 |
| klindgren | networking - where everything is a snowflake and down manually, and we can "technically do it" means that it will get done. | 17:52 |
| mnaser | klindgren lol, rough experience? | 17:53 |
| mnaser | i feel like it's just hard to build/test networks consistently and monitoring mistakes/etc | 17:53 |
| klindgren | lets just say our new compute pod turn up has about an equal number of checks for both hardware and networking | 17:53 |
| mnaser | yeah we have a bunch of indirect network tests | 17:54 |
| mnaser | ex: all tunnel endpoints are reachable, ceph monitors, etc | 17:54 |
| klindgren | and even then when you start getting into people using it - you still find issues. Like This new network can't talk to this legacy network over there. But another server in this older network can. | 17:54 |
| mnaser | thats why we renumbered everything and dropped legacy network | 17:55 |
| mnaser | painful but life is easier down the link... i hope | 17:55 |
| klindgren | we dont do sdn - using flat provider networks in neutron. | 17:55 |
| klindgren | Which means we really jsut consume the spine-leaf networks that networkign configured. | 17:55 |
| mnaser | oh | 17:56 |
| mnaser | you have it easy then :P | 17:56 |
| klindgren | IE my job is to bacially hand you out an ip from the subnet that assigned to this tor. On the correct vlanid | 17:56 |
| mnaser | we have a mix of provider networks for public access + sdn (gre tunneled networks) | 17:56 |
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| mnaser | most customers use the provider public ip, but we have a large amount of traffic going through gre tunnels too | 17:57 |
| mnaser | (which are the absolute worst) | 17:57 |
| klindgren | nut networking has a nice way of not making sure that the network they gave us, actually has everything done on it. Main;y because people are still configuring stuff by templated configuration scripts. How in this day and age thats still acceptable I have no clue. | 17:57 |
| * mnaser has nightmares about the three letters mtu | 17:57 | |
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| mnaser | nut networking? nut = vendor? | 17:58 |
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| klindgren | s/nut/but | 18:35 |
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| mnaser | 24 core server, only 8 cores appearing | 19:03 |
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| jlk | is there a question there? | 19:12 |
| mgagne | baremetal? in VM? in dom0 with Xen? | 19:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/osops-tools-contrib: Add CI/CD terraform scripts https://review.openstack.org/387084 | 19:36 |
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| klindgren | Wonder if he's carying on from our convo earlier about how hardware is the shits. | 22:00 |
| klindgren | We had something similar where our build system was specifically only enabling 4 cores and disabling HT. But we had 6 Core servers.... | 22:01 |
| jlk | we have a thing where we order a 64 core server, and our provider gives us a 96 core server. Sometimes. Other times it's a real 64 core server | 22:03 |
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| jlk | so we have to play games to limit the CPU count, which breaks NUMA | 22:03 |
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| mnaser | klindgren yeah, it was a small dell bios surprise, some cpus were set as forced dual + ht therefore 8 cores | 23:29 |
| mnaser | had to go in an enable them manually | 23:29 |
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