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openstackgerritDavid Moreau Simard proposed openstack/osops-tools-contrib: Lint the lampstack webserver role  https://review.openstack.org/39404301:03
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/osops-tools-contrib: Catch up the flavor from config file instead of {{openstack_flavors[0].id}}  https://review.openstack.org/39462903:33
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openstackgerritMarcus Furlong proposed openstack/osops-tools-generic: fix broken orphaned cinder volume tool  https://review.openstack.org/39060505:07
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zioprotofifieldt: hello13:58
mihalis68https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss-spring-201713:58
mihalis68https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss-aug-201713:58
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mihalis68hello13:59
yankcrimeo/13:59
dc_mattjyo13:59
s3an2o/13:59
rlaurikahi13:59
arcimboldohi all13:59
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zioprotomeeting time :)14:00
zioprotoshintaro: hello :)14:00
mrhillsmano/14:00
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shintarohi14:01
emccormickdamn new computers. Have to redo everything :P14:01
emccormickgood morning peoples14:01
mcuniettigood afternoon everybody :-)14:01
mihalis68no Tom?14:01
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mrhillsmanfifieldt14:02
zioprotofifieldt: are you leading the meeting ?14:02
mihalis68what's the official meeting name? We need to hash start meeting but I forget the official moniker14:02
zioprotooffical name is https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ops_Meetups_Team14:03
zioprotoops_meetup_team14:03
dc_mattj#startmeeting Ops Meetups Team14:03
openstackMeeting started Tue Nov  8 14:03:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dc_mattj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:03
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetups_team'14:03
dc_mattjaargh, I don't want to chair :(14:03
zioprotothanks Matt14:03
dc_mattjlooks like I'm stuck with it now14:03
yankcrimethat's what you get for trying to be clever14:03
yankcrime;)14:03
mrhillsmanhehe14:04
dc_mattjwhere's the agenda14:04
shintaro#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team14:04
mcuniettisorry guys, shall we change channel or are we sticking to this one?14:04
mihalis68https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/hAwtwwnl/14:04
emccormickwho knows how to start an etherpad? :D14:04
dc_mattjI've got it14:04
mrhillsmanhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team14:04
mrhillsmanbah14:04
dc_mattjadd your names pls14:04
mihalis68oh that's easy, you just remove the name of the pad from an existing one and you get a make ether pad page14:04
mihalis68https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss-spring-201714:05
dc_mattjmcunietti, these meetings are usually held here14:05
mihalis68sorry for the pastebin silliness above14:05
dc_mattjso looks like the main agenda items for today is to discuss the locations for Spring 201714:05
mcuniettiHi Matt great to see you again! :-)14:05
mihalis68the tokyo proposal hasn't changed, however milan now has non-weekend dates. Now I see, however, that it clashes with PTG?14:05
dc_mattjciao mariano :)14:06
khapponeOh, Attendees above or below the meeting?14:06
mrhillsmannothing we do "clashes" with ptg as i understand14:06
mrhillsmansince ptg is not for ops folks14:06
dc_mattj#topic Feb/March Location Discussion14:06
mihalis68I thought there were some operators who wanted to attend PTG14:06
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fifieldthello14:06
dc_mattjthe idea is that the PTG will not be that useful for ops14:07
fifieldtgot istracted14:07
fifieldtsorry14:07
mrhillsmanfrom the discussion those operators should be heavily involved in development efforts14:07
mrhillsmanthen it makes since14:07
fifieldtthanks dc_mattj14:07
dc_mattjexactly, those are work sessions14:07
mrhillsmanotherwise, forum14:07
dc_mattjnot discussion sessions14:07
mihalis68Tom I just pointed out that the milan proposal is at same time as PTG14:07
zioprotoI see there al multiple date options on the etherpad for the location in Milano14:07
dc_mattjso is the consensus that it now doesn't matter if we clash with PTG ?14:07
emccormickI keep finding myself getting irrationally frustrated with the PTG obsession among some Ops :D14:07
mihalis68I thought there were some who wanted to go to both14:07
mcuniettiyes ultiple options available14:07
emccormickI agree it does not matter if it clashes14:08
mcuniettiFebruary 15-16, March 1,2 - 8,9 - 15,16.14:08
emccormickI saw one person who was choosing14:08
mihalis68well hold on, are there people who do want to attend both?14:08
mrhillsmanwe should be totally ignoring ptg tbh as it will not be focused on operations14:08
fifieldtprobably best if it doesn't clash though14:08
mrhillsmanprob..^14:08
fifieldtif only for avoiding some rant ML posts :)14:08
zioprotoHow do we decide which location to choose ? there is a method ? we discuss here ? we set up a poll ?14:09
mrhillsmanmight be better that it happens at the same time :)14:09
mrhillsmanjust to re-emphasize the stance14:09
emccormickTom == Diplomat14:09
mihalis68zioproto we agree which proposals are valid and then put it to a vote.14:09
mihalis68Very apropos today in USA14:09
emccormickI say burn down the barn and put them on the same dates on purpose to keep people from going where they don't belong :D14:09
fifieldtwell, do we feel we have enough information from the proposers to call the"feasible"?14:09
dc_mattjfifieldt, yes14:09
mrhillsmani like that hehe14:09
mihalis68the PTG is not forbidden to operators, that's silly14:09
emccormickok ok I"m being silly14:09
mihalis68there are people who straddle the dividing line14:10
emccormickI know it's not. It's just a bad idea and I think it's going to annoy the devs14:10
mihalis68the point is people attending PTG should know what it is and isn't14:10
zioprotoI have the fear that if we collide with the PTG, all the people from US might just go to PTG because is closer and easier to attend14:10
emccormickthat is true enough14:10
mcuniettiis it clear that we are suggesting multiple dates for Milan?14:10
mihalis68I have people who do ops and dev14:10
mrhillsmanok ok, we will not clash :)14:10
mrhillsmanlet's not spend too much time on it14:10
fifieldtI have one question about the wifi in Tokyo - I'm assuming that depite there being minimal detail in the proposal, we can expect excellent wifi like just about everywhere in Japan :)14:11
emccormickmihalis68: Fair enough. I said I was being irrational ;)14:11
mcuniettidon't challenge Italian weather...maybe they can choose a better vacation location? :-)14:11
mihalis68I haven't heard a single person say "yes, I personally would like the option to attend both" here in this meeting14:11
dc_mattjon dates, can I propose we agree on March 15-16 as both proposals agree on that date ?14:11
mrhillsmansounds good dc_mattj14:11
mihalis68+114:11
dc_mattjvote here ?14:11
mrhillsmanyep14:11
mcunietti+114:11
mihalis68is the host represented here right now?14:11
emccormick+114:11
arcimboldo+114:12
mihalis68for milan I mean14:12
mrhillsmangood question14:12
dc_mattjyes, mcunietti is the milan host14:12
shintarofifieldt: yes WiFi is ok but need to check how much bandwidth14:12
fifieldtI think it weould be nice to confirm the date in this meeting :)14:12
mihalis68mcunietti are yo ok w with us picking that date?14:12
s3an2+1 for March 15-1614:12
mihalis68March 15-1614:12
mcuniettiyes, my +1 was for that14:12
mihalis68ok good, then I think yes we can vote on that formally right now14:12
mcunietticonsider we ALSO have other options  which Tokyo does not ;-)14:12
zioproto+1 March 15/1614:12
mcuniettiBTW, I'd love to go to Tokyo as well14:13
shintarowell, I'd love to go to Milano as well, too14:13
fifieldtI think we should declare for the record that we hope proprosals that don't get selected this time can be considered again for future events :)14:13
mihalis68dc_mattj you're chair, can you #poll or whatever the magic is?14:13
dc_mattjfifieldt, shall we vote on that date ? I can't remember the irc fu ..14:13
mcuniettishintaro: :-)14:13
mrhillsmanwe just agree on date as of right now14:13
zioprotoboth locations are available for March 15-16, that is great looks like we have sorted out the date :)14:13
fifieldtstandby14:13
emccormickdefinitely unselected ones should go back into the hopper for future if the host is good with it.14:14
fifieldt#startvote Select March 15-16 as the next ops midcycle? Yes, No14:14
openstackOnly the meeting chair may start a vote.14:14
fifieldtcopy paste that dc_mattj14:14
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fifieldtthen everyone does #vote Yes or #vote No14:14
khappone#vote Yes14:15
dc_mattjwhat am I copy pasting ?14:15
zioprotokhappone: too early :)14:15
mrhillsmanhehe you have to wait14:15
mihalis68matt has to initiate it first14:15
admin0#vote Yes14:15
mrhillsman#startvote Select March 15-16 as the next ops midcycle? Yes, No14:15
* admin0 is just practicing 14:15
openstackOnly the meeting chair may start a vote.14:15
khapponeI should pay attention..14:15
mrhillsmandc ^14:15
arcimboldohttp://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/irc.html#voting14:15
fifieldtthe line about the startvote thing14:15
mrhillsmandc_mattj #startvote Select March 15-16 as the next ops midcycle? Yes, No14:15
fifieldtonly the chair can do it14:15
mihalis68#yes14:15
mrhillsmanlol14:15
mihalis68#vote yes14:15
dc_mattj#startvote Select March 15-16 as the next ops midcycle? Yes, No14:15
admin0voting already started today .. clinton is winniing14:15
openstackBegin voting on: Select March 15-16 as the next ops midcycle? Valid vote options are Yes, No.14:15
mcunietti#vote Yes14:15
mrhillsmanguys wait14:15
openstackVote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.14:15
mrhillsmanok go14:15
mrhillsman#vote Yes14:15
s3an2#vote Yes14:15
dc_mattj#vote yes14:15
khappone#vote Yes14:15
mcunietti#vote Yes14:16
shintaro#vote Yes14:16
arcimboldo#vote Yes14:16
bloatyfloat#vote Yes14:16
emccormick#vote Yes14:16
admin0#vote Yes14:16
zioproto#vote Yes14:16
arcimboldo(finally)14:16
dc_mattjsorry ;)14:16
fifieldtthen #endvote14:16
dc_mattjall done ?14:16
mihalis68#vote yes14:16
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dc_mattj#endvote14:16
openstackVoted on "Select March 15-16 as the next ops midcycle?" Results are14:16
openstackYes (12): arcimboldo, bloatyfloat, mrhillsman, shintaro, dc_mattj, s3an2, admin0, zioproto, mcunietti, khappone, mihalis68, emccormick14:16
georgem1#vote YEs14:16
dc_mattjwhoops sorry14:16
emccormickwoot!14:16
s3an2Seems the date is set :)14:16
fifieldtcongratulations :)14:16
dc_mattjcarried14:16
mihalis68That's quite conclusive14:16
fifieldtso what about the location?14:17
mihalis68mcunietti would you like to update the ether pad to lock in that date for Milan?14:17
mrhillsmanso we need an email on the location or we can decide here?14:17
mihalis68https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss-spring-201714:17
emccormickI liked the poll we did last time14:17
khapponeA question if we will vote for the location. Is Asia sufficiently represented in this chat due to timezones? Just thinking now it's optimal at-work time for Europe.14:17
mihalis68no the venue choice is a poll14:17
emccormickwhere you could pick one or both or none14:17
dc_mattjhas to go to the list14:17
mihalis68yes14:17
khapponeSounds good14:17
mcunietti#mihalis68: doing it right now14:17
mrhillsmani can create the doodle poll14:17
fifieldtkhappone: it's 10PM in Taipei, 11PM in Tokyo14:17
mihalis68I think we allowed a week last time?14:17
dc_mattjso does someone want to take an action on a poll for the list ?14:17
mrhillsman<14:17
mihalis68MrHillsman is doing it I believe14:18
zioprotodc_mattj: with doodle.com ?14:18
mihalis68Doodle poll again for now?14:18
mrhillsmanyep doodle.com14:18
emccormicknod14:18
dc_mattjyes, and an email to the list14:18
arcimboldowhy not using doodle also for the date then?14:18
zioprotoI can do it14:18
emccormicktoo much to argue about date-wise14:18
mihalis68I think we missed a step, hold on14:18
mihalis68does everyone agree that both Milan and Tokyo are now "suitable" offers to host?14:19
mihalis68facilities, dates, geographical rotation etc?14:19
dc_mattjgood point14:19
zioprotoI think they are both fine14:19
mrhillsman+114:19
emccormick+114:19
zioproto+114:19
dc_mattjanother vote ?14:19
mihalis68yes14:19
mcunietti+1 :-))14:19
mihalis68+114:19
mrhillsmanwhy14:19
emccormickboth are terrific14:19
mrhillsmanwe do not have other options :)14:19
mihalis68because i don't want to hear complaints that the geo distribution was awry14:19
mrhillsmannot a binary choice, no need to vote :)14:19
arcimboldoyes both are terrific but tokyo is too far for me, I won't attend if it's there :(14:19
mihalis68the question is merely are these offers "well-formed"?14:20
mrhillsmanthat's what the doodle poll is for14:20
mihalis68no14:20
mrhillsmanoh well-formed14:20
mrhillsmanapologies14:20
mihalis68no quite14:20
fifieldthow big are the beewakout rooms in milano?14:20
fifieldtbreakout*14:20
mihalis68IIRC we need to say "yes, these offers are suitable to offer to the community" and then do so14:20
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mihalis68for example, if a third pops up and it's a 15 person room in NYC, that is not well formed14:21
mihalis68too small, wrong geo region14:21
mihalis68sorry to be pedantic14:21
mcuniettithere is a large convention room, which is an open space (250ppl)14:21
mihalis68very good14:21
mihalis68ok nobody has concerns about either proposal on the ether pad, right>14:21
mcunietti3 meeting rooms (15, 20 and 30 ppl each)14:21
mihalis68From what I see they both appear to match guidelines14:22
emccormickmcunietti: can the big room be broken down? Not a deal-breaker. Just curious ;)14:22
mcuniettiyou can split it in 2, one for 150ppl and the other 30ppl, but there is no acoustic isolation, may be cumbersome14:23
mrhillsmanmihalis68 do we have the "well-formed" guidelines as part of the submission? if not, i'd like to suggest we put them at the top of the etherpads14:23
fifieldtmrhillsman: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Operations/Meetups#How_Ops_Meetups_are_planned14:23
mihalis68they are on the ops team page on the openstack wiki I believe14:23
fifieldtunder "venue selection"14:23
emccormickcool, thanks14:24
dc_mattj#action mrhillsman to add 'suitability' guidelines to the top of the etherpads14:24
s3an2How many people are typically in a breakout room at past mid-cycle meetup?14:24
fifieldtNYC had these room sizes: Main Stage (180)Reception (60)Board Room (30)Jnr Board (11)14:24
mrhillsmangreat, did not realize that, apologies14:24
mcuniettiyou can have a look of our space at http://www.coworkinglogin.it14:24
dc_mattjin MCR we had 100, 30, 1614:24
fifieldtI think the ideal size for the 2nd room is 40-50 or so, but it depends on the number of attndees of course14:25
emccormickWe used the split main room thing in PHL and it worked fine. No sound barrier there either14:25
dc_mattjok, shall we keep moving on this, especially as we now have the possibility of a split main room too ?14:26
emccormickso technically for Milan we can have 5 breakouts if need be.14:26
zioprotoshintaro: Tokyo is 192 - 40 - 24, right ?14:26
mihalis68Is there anyone who finds a problem with either proposal?14:26
shintarozioproto: yes14:26
zioprotoI mean the three rooms and the people allowed. 192 - 40 - 2414:26
dc_mattjshall we vote ?14:26
mihalis68yes please14:26
fifieldtIt looks like they are both excellent proposals14:26
emccormickLet us vote14:26
dc_mattj#startvote are both Milan and Tokyo suitable options to put to the list. Yes, No14:26
openstackUnable to parse vote topic and options.14:26
mrhillsmanhttp://doodle.com/poll/e7fcfhsf4s8cupyi14:26
fifieldta big thanks to shintaro and mcunietti14:26
dc_mattjsorry, try again14:26
mcuniettiyou're welcome!14:27
* fifieldt likes it when action items are completed during the meeting14:27
dc_mattj#startvote are both Milan and Tokyo suitable options to put to the list ? Yes, No14:27
openstackBegin voting on: are both Milan and Tokyo suitable options to put to the list ? Valid vote options are Yes, No.14:27
fifieldtmrhillsman: owe you a beer :)14:27
openstackVote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.14:27
mihalis68#vote Yes14:27
mrhillsmani'll take it :)14:27
dc_mattj#vote yes14:27
khappone#vote Yes14:27
emccormick#vote yes14:27
mrhillsman#vote yes14:27
fifieldt#vote Yes14:27
zioproto#vote Yes14:27
arcimboldo#vote yes14:27
bloatyfloat#vote yes14:27
shintaro#vote Yes14:27
mihalis68it has been a vote-y day!14:27
mrhillsman#vote Yes14:27
s3an2#vote Yes14:27
rlaurika#vote Yes14:28
dc_mattjall in ?14:28
dc_mattj#endvote14:28
openstackVoted on "are both Milan and Tokyo suitable options to put to the list ?" Results are14:28
openstackYes (12): arcimboldo, bloatyfloat, fifieldt, shintaro, mihalis68, mrhillsman, s3an2, rlaurika, zioproto, emccormick, khappone, dc_mattj14:29
mihalis68whoo!14:29
dc_mattjso lets move on to actions for this topic14:29
mihalis68who wants to send the poll link to the mailing list?14:29
dc_mattj#action mrhillsman to create a doodle poll14:29
mcuniettiI guess me and shintaro should not vote actually...14:29
emccormickno you should14:29
dc_mattjI think zioproto volunteered14:29
dc_mattjeveryone should, all votes count ;)14:30
emccormickwhy not? :)14:30
mrhillsmanif the doodle poll needs any changes please let me know - http://doodle.com/poll/e7fcfhsf4s8cupyi - just in case it got mixed up in the voting14:30
s3an2mcunietti, If you are going to attend you should vote IMO14:30
mihalis68Yes I voted for NYC which my employer hosted14:30
mcuniettiok great14:30
dc_mattj#action zioproto to draft an email to the list with the doodle poll link14:30
zioprotook !14:30
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emccormickhow do we have 17 votes already?14:30
emccormickheh14:31
zioprotopeople reading this channel I guess :)14:31
emccormickthat seems insane ;)14:31
mcunietti:-)14:31
mihalis68it is a little surprising I must say14:31
shintarowow14:31
mcuniettisupporters I guess14:31
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mrhillsmanoh snap14:31
shintarowell it's night time in Asia :)14:31
khapponeshintaro: don't worry, Asia will probably come back in force tomorrow :)14:31
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dc_mattjare we sure those are legit votes ?14:32
zioprotomcunietti: are all the people from enter.it voting ?14:32
dc_mattjstrange amount of italians in there ;)14:32
zioprotomcunietti: I would say lets make max 3 votes per company :) looks fair to everyone ?14:32
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mcuniettiI dunno but some of them follow this channel14:32
fifieldtzioproto: I send you the example email from las time14:32
zioprotofifieldt:  thanks14:32
mcuniettiand they were aware of this meeting14:32
dc_mattjlol14:32
zioprotosure no problem just trying to make a fair voting14:32
mcuniettiyou're right14:33
mihalis68An open poll is all we have decided14:33
mcunietti...italians...14:33
zioprotoI also spread the work to many Italian people in the all country, so expect many Italian votes14:33
zioprotospread the word14:33
dc_mattjhehe14:33
mihalis68not delegate based14:33
fifieldtshintaro: good thing most of the world lives in Asia, right? :)14:33
mihalis68(referring to the 3 per company suggestion)14:33
dc_mattjfifieldt, indeed14:33
mcuniettishintaro: muahaha14:33
dc_mattjwe can't police per company votes14:34
mihalis68I probably won't make tokyo but only because I have depleted travel funds quite a bit14:34
shintarofifiledt: agree ;)14:34
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emccormickI'd be spending twice as much time on a plane as a meetup, but I'd try to make it work ;)14:34
dc_mattjok, are we finished on this topic now ?14:34
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s3an2I would say we are14:35
emccormickbesides I loved Tokyo when we had the summit there14:35
zioprotook I would say at least the hosting company should limit to a reasonable number of people voting ?14:35
mcuniettime too, I loved Tokyo14:35
mihalis68yes tokyo was fun, I was there too14:35
mcuniettiso either case, I AM going to the meetup14:35
fifieldtlet me fix your vote or you mcunietti :P14:35
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mihalis68next topic seems to be the August meet up?14:35
mcuniettiahah14:35
mrhillsmanyeah, no proposals yet14:36
fifieldtanything we should do?14:36
dc_mattj#topic Aug Location Discussion14:36
emccormicktoss an email out asking for proposals?14:36
mrhillsmansend out another email/request for proposals for sure14:36
mihalis68Does anyone now present have a lead on a host?14:36
dc_mattjI propose we need to send out another email to the list14:36
mihalis68Like your company might do it? Or someone you know?14:36
mcuniettino seriously, we have never succeeded in bringing the Summit to Italy, at least the Meetup would be nice for us14:36
fifieldtIs anyone friends with best buy? they seemed very keen (and disappointed) last time14:37
mihalis68+1 good point14:37
dc_mattjwho wants to take an action to reach out to them ?14:38
shintaroWould Aug be in NA?14:38
dc_mattjpresumably we have contact details from the previous round ?14:38
mcuniettiAugust in Italy is impossible, the whole country shuts down and goes to the seaside14:38
emccormickshould be NA14:38
zioprotoshintaro: is Tokyo possible also in August ?14:38
mihalis68@dc_mattj yes that's been broadly agreed14:38
mihalis68I think the geo rotation swings august to NA14:38
mrhillsman^14:38
mrhillsmanit does14:38
arcimboldomcunietti, what about a meetup on the beach?14:39
mcuniettiNA = North America?14:39
dc_mattjyes14:39
mrhillsmanyes14:39
mihalis68for those not familiar we try to make the mid-cycle opposite the summit around the globe14:39
shintaroWe don't have budget assigned for Aug at this time, so I can't say yes/no14:39
mcuniettiarcimboldo: rackets included :-)14:39
mihalis68+1 for someone to specifically contact Best Buy if possible14:39
dc_mattjso can we have a volunteer to reach out to Best Buy ?14:39
mihalis68and also another email to the list asking for offers for august14:40
mihalis68I can take the latter14:40
dc_mattj#action mihalis68 to email the list again for August14:40
fifieldtcool14:41
fifieldtso anything else on this?14:41
mcuniettiare we done about March meetup? I am keeoing the Marketing team in front of an IRC session since too long for them, I am afraid they can go epilectic....14:41
dc_mattjfifieldt, only an action to contact Best Buy ?14:42
mihalis68we don't seem to have a best by contact14:42
fifieldtmcunietti: it seems the topic has moved to August14:42
fifieldtso release them :)14:42
dc_mattjmcunietti, we are done with March until the poll is completed14:42
mihalis68march meet up is up on the poll and open to the community for voting14:42
mcuniettiokay. Then we quit. See you all and thanks! Win the best, @shintaro! :-)14:42
mihalis68thanks!14:42
fifieldtSteve.Eastham@bestbuy.com Daniel.Kingshott@bestbuy.com14:43
shintarothank you! mcunietti14:43
dc_mattjok, if no-one else wants it, then I can take an action to contact the guys at Best Buy and encourage another proposal14:43
dc_mattj#action dc_mattj to email Best Buy14:44
mihalis68it's yours!14:44
fifieldtanything else for this topic?14:44
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dc_mattjfifieldt, can I make you chair ?14:46
dc_mattjlol14:46
dc_mattjI have no idea what I'm doing anyway ;)14:46
mihalis68ONE OF US!14:46
mihalis68:)14:46
emccormickI think we're pretty much done anyway, yes?14:46
fifieldtto the contary - I think it's much improved :)14:46
dc_mattjfrom your perspective I'm sure ;)14:46
fifieldtunless ... anyone wants to talk any more about the Forum in Boston14:46
mihalis68do we need to do any planning for Boston?14:47
mihalis68now I mean?14:47
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fifieldta little - not necessarilly led by this group - but it might be ni9ce to start thinking about the best ops-devs interadctions yoouve had14:47
fifieldtand how to make those happen again at the Forum in Boston14:47
mihalis68we will get a vote on mid-cycle feb/march soon and we're asking for someone for Aug, but there's a summit in there :)14:47
dc_mattjI'd like to propose that fairly soon we start talking about session structure, started to do a bit of that before BCN but should revisit it14:48
fifieldtthat soujnds like a solid topic to me14:48
emccormickIt would make my brain hurt to do session proposals for anything past the March meetup at this point14:48
dc_mattjclearly some patterns there that we keep revisiting, so should be a way of simplifying things14:48
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emccormickoverall structure though since it'll be all different is OK14:48
zioprotoI think we had too many ops parallel sessions in BCN14:49
mihalis68Tom did you get a chance to look at tooling? I thought there was a possible tool for agenda planning? Cheddar?14:49
shintaroso I understand the Forum is more on ops-dev discussion, right?14:49
fifieldtquick forum slide intro at https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1fhHqmR9lKyayYOpop4Uu_xnhPwFOoCWAgEAxTU2JAHA14:49
emccormick+1 to the excessively parallel thing.14:49
fifieldtagreed zioproto14:49
zioprotoit would be cool to have the thing more long (even on two days) but with less parallel sessions14:49
mihalis68wasn't that because it was hemmed in to one day?14:49
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fifieldtso zioproto the cool thing is the forum is 4 days with just 3 parallel things14:50
emccormickit's always been one day so far at the summits14:50
fifieldtyou get your wish :)14:50
emccormickbut I thin we're getting to where we need 2 structured days14:50
zioprotoyahoooo14:50
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emccormickyippee14:50
fifieldtthe key thing for us is to work out to to transition from ops@summit into forum14:51
fifieldtwhich means for boston, keeping a close eye on the process and session proposals14:51
fifieldtso dc_mattj's topic about the session patterns might be a good one for tnext meeting?14:51
mihalis68yep14:52
emccormickhow do we go about working with devs to set up these cross-project sort of things?14:52
emccormick(another topic for next time)14:52
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fifieldtexactly :) this is the thing we need to start thinking about14:52
fifieldtthe artificial example I keep using is "Rolling Upgrades at Scale" - a session co-organised by the Large Deployments Team, Keystone, Cinder and Nova14:53
fifieldthow that comes into existence is not clear :)14:53
fifieldtEasier one is "Neutron Pain Points" - co organiser by ops and neutron, where neutron devs come armed with questions and ops come armed with bugs, feedback and ideas14:53
dc_mattjand this needs to come from session patterns14:53
dc_mattjthat we see in ops meetings repeatedly14:54
fifieldtall comes back to the brain of dc_mattj :)14:54
fifieldtwhat's the agenda item called then?14:54
mihalis68nova session in NYC worked very well14:54
mrhillsmanhere is a session related to feeding back to devs14:54
mihalis68a longer session, large room, named-brand developer hosting14:54
mrhillsmanhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BCN-ops-feedback-to-PWG14:54
fifieldtright mihalis68 +1 -- and I think that's the kind of thing that we want to see at the Forum, where it's John Garbutt + ops14:54
mrhillsmani was a bit disappointed at the operator participation ( only 3 :( )14:55
fifieldtbut, I think dc_mattj is hinting we don't have tiome left in this meeting to solve this problem?14:55
mihalis68a swarm of fiddly little sessions drives us to distraction14:55
dc_mattjso I will add a note to pick this up next meeting14:55
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mihalis68I think it's a fine next meeting topic unless someone wants to write stuff up before that time14:55
fifieldtexcellent14:55
dc_mattjif we can review previous mid cycles and summit sessions before next time that would probably be useful14:55
emccormickI wanted to hit that PWG session but had like 3 conflicts and was at the other end of the building :(14:55
mihalis68mrhillsman that's partly the known low attendance at first session second day14:55
dc_mattjstart to look at where folks are asking for the same things14:56
emccormickhence the excessively parallel thing14:56
mihalis68sorry about that. Tom expected it14:56
mihalis68it's almost as if the evening do leads to lateness :O14:56
mrhillsmanunderstandable, it is relevant to the question about getting feedback to devs14:56
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mrhillsmanand i believe going forward working with UC/WG will be a process we should understand/work through14:57
mrhillsmanin an organic manner of course14:57
dc_mattjok, we're coming up to time now - is there anything specific to this meetings topics anyone wants to bring up before we close ?14:57
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mrhillsmannothing from me14:58
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zioprotothanks for the meeting ! :)14:58
dc_mattjk, thanks all - good meeting, and things are now moving for Spring !14:58
mihalis68TTFN14:58
dc_mattj#endmeeting14:58
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shintarothank you!14:59
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mrhillsmanthanks everyone :)15:01
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mdormanclayton:  finally getting around to watching your talk.  pretty interesting background on netns stuff!20:51
claytonthanks.  it was all new to me and super weird when we figured it out20:51
mdormanyeah i can imagine this is one of those things that’s a total mystery for a few days, hah20:52
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openstackgerritDavid Moreau Simard proposed openstack/osops-tools-contrib: Lint the lampstack wordpress role  https://review.openstack.org/39404721:09
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