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dc_mattj | afternoon | 14:02 |
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shintaro | hi | 14:02 |
dc_mattj | hi shintaro | 14:03 |
dc_mattj | anyone else here for the ops meetup team meeting ? | 14:03 |
rovanleeuwen | yes, I am attending | 14:03 |
dc_mattj | hmm, bit thin on the ground today | 14:04 |
dc_mattj | lets wait a few minutes and see if anyone else turns up | 14:04 |
shintaro | ok | 14:04 |
dc_mattj | if not we may have to postpone | 14:04 |
dc_mattj | I know neither VW or fifieldt are here today | 14:06 |
rovanleeuwen | Just my luck, my first time to join | 14:06 |
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zioproto | hello | 14:07 |
zioproto | sorry I am a bit late | 14:07 |
zioproto | is the meeting going on ? | 14:07 |
dc_mattj | hasn't started yet | 14:07 |
shintaro | not yet just few people here | 14:08 |
dc_mattj | was just waiting to see who else turned up | 14:08 |
zioproto | great | 14:08 |
dc_mattj | I think we can probably start now, although we may not have enough of us to make decisions on some things | 14:08 |
dc_mattj | #startmeeting Ops Meetups Team | 14:09 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 15 14:09:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dc_mattj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:09 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:09 |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetups_team' | 14:09 |
dc_mattj | Hello all, and welcome to the Ops Meetups Team meeting :) | 14:09 |
dc_mattj | NB: If you're new, or just idling in the channel, be sure to have read: | 14:09 |
dc_mattj | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ops_Meetups_Team | 14:09 |
dc_mattj | for background. | 14:09 |
dc_mattj | Check out our agenda items at: | 14:09 |
dc_mattj | # link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 14:09 |
dc_mattj | As always: please write your name down on the agenda etherpad as a way of introduction. | 14:09 |
dc_mattj | Secondly, if there's something else burning to put on the agenda, please add it to that same etherpad. | 14:09 |
shintaro | hi | 14:09 |
dc_mattj | #topic Review of action items from the previous meeting | 14:10 |
dc_mattj | First up, a quick run-through of our action items from the previous meeting. | 14:10 |
dc_mattj | is mrhillsman here ? | 14:11 |
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dc_mattj | from the list of actions, I think everything got done from last weeks meeting | 14:12 |
dc_mattj | I emailed Best Buy today but haven't had a response from them yet | 14:12 |
mihalis68 | morning, sorry I'm late, what did I miss? | 14:12 |
dc_mattj | hi :) | 14:12 |
dc_mattj | nothing yet ;) | 14:12 |
dc_mattj | just reviewed last meeting minutes for actions | 14:13 |
dc_mattj | any other comments on actions from last meeting ? | 14:13 |
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zioproto | I sent out the email with the doodle pool | 14:14 |
mihalis68 | the poll is getting a lot of attention | 14:14 |
dc_mattj | yup, plenty of responses | 14:14 |
dc_mattj | I sent out a mail to the list this morning asking people for final input before we close | 14:14 |
dc_mattj | which brings us on to ... | 14:14 |
dc_mattj | #topic review results of Doodle poll | 14:15 |
dc_mattj | are we happy to close the poll now ? | 14:15 |
shintaro | unfortunately, yes | 14:15 |
dc_mattj | who created the poll ? | 14:15 |
mihalis68 | Melvin | 14:15 |
mihalis68 | MrHillsman | 14:16 |
dc_mattj | ah, slight problem there then as he's not here | 14:16 |
dc_mattj | #action mrhillsman to close Doodle poll | 14:16 |
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mihalis68 | @shintaro do you think there might be more votes from Japan for the Tokyo proposal? | 14:16 |
zioproto | we can email him and ask him to close the poll ? | 14:16 |
shintaro | its 11pm here so probably not | 14:17 |
zioproto | I have to say that actually the poll is like 50% and 50% | 14:17 |
mihalis68 | yes I was thinking it is very close this time | 14:17 |
zioproto | 58 and 66 is like 50% | 14:17 |
mihalis68 | who feels we should allow more time considering it is so close? | 14:18 |
dc_mattj | My view is that we stick to the original time table | 14:18 |
zioproto | can we reuse on of the locations for August, or it must be NA ? | 14:18 |
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dc_mattj | we gave the list the choice and the time frame | 14:18 |
mihalis68 | Not a lot, but we could email the list one more time and close it in a defined time | 14:18 |
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mihalis68 | @zioproto I don't think it would be impossible to do that however NA fits the region rotation | 14:19 |
dc_mattj | lets just discuss this for a minute then. As far as things stand right now, it's close but Milano is the top choice, both on yes/ifneedbe and no | 14:19 |
zioproto | because we dont really have yet a proposal for NA in August right ? | 14:19 |
dc_mattj | they've been close before | 14:19 |
mihalis68 | true, not a word for August | 14:20 |
zioproto | shintaro: your location would be available in August ? | 14:20 |
shintaro | not sure yet. we need to reallocate the budget and need approval | 14:20 |
zioproto | Mariano said last time that august in Italy is impossible | 14:21 |
zioproto | because nobody works in August in Milano | 14:21 |
dc_mattj | lets work through these things in order if we can | 14:21 |
dc_mattj | we'll come back to August | 14:21 |
rovanleeuwen | for me personally ( I have been to summit operator meetups in US & Europe only), the ones I attended in the US seemed more active and of a higher "quality" due to higher attendance of (vocal) operators | 14:22 |
rovanleeuwen | ( I am located in AMS and will probably only keep attending Summit meetups) | 14:22 |
dc_mattj | personally I don't think we should be extending the time frame to see if we get a different result, but if we feel like we need a vote on that then we can do so | 14:22 |
zioproto | rovanleeuwen: I was both in Machester and in NYC and they were about the same | 14:22 |
dc_mattj | what's the consensus ? | 14:23 |
zioproto | dc_mattj: I agree | 14:23 |
zioproto | +1 for closing with Milano | 14:23 |
shintaro | I agree too, extending would create confusion | 14:23 |
mihalis68 | Agreed | 14:24 |
dc_mattj | ok, so we agree Milano has it this time | 14:24 |
shintaro | We can go for the next round! | 14:24 |
dc_mattj | however, I think there's clearly a lot of interest for an APAC meetup | 14:24 |
dc_mattj | and this adds weight to our discussion about potentially having multiple events | 14:25 |
shintaro | Yes, I saw non-Japanese Asian names in the poll, which was great for me | 14:25 |
dc_mattj | #action dc_mattj to add an agenda item for next meeting to discuss regional events again | 14:25 |
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dc_mattj | compared to the Manchester poll, there was a much wider geo spread in participants | 14:26 |
dc_mattj | which is v.good | 14:26 |
zioproto | I would really love to come to Japan in august | 14:26 |
mihalis68 | I agree with what's being said : Milano has won meet up number 1 for 2017 and the level of interest in APAC makes the discussion of where for #2 quite pressing | 14:26 |
zioproto | for the next one | 14:26 |
dc_mattj | agreed | 14:26 |
dc_mattj | shintaro, it would be great if you could consider submitting again for August | 14:26 |
mihalis68 | it's hard to keep talking about NA for August with zero offers to host | 14:27 |
shintaro | August is not the best season in Tokyo, though :( | 14:27 |
shintaro | so hot here | 14:27 |
mihalis68 | it's beastly here in August also | 14:27 |
zioproto | everywhere August is hot :) | 14:27 |
dc_mattj | lol | 14:27 |
dc_mattj | August is agenda item 2 | 14:27 |
jproulx | North Hemisphere bias! | 14:27 |
dc_mattj | lol | 14:28 |
jproulx | ;) | 14:28 |
serverascode | it's a dry heat in Alberta in August :) | 14:28 |
zioproto | serverascode: are you proposing Alberta ? | 14:28 |
dc_mattj | and I thought we were thin on the ground in this meeting - is everyone just lurking to troll ? | 14:28 |
mihalis68 | "dry heat" in canada probably means "not quite so much fresh snow" | 14:28 |
mihalis68 | totally | 14:28 |
dc_mattj | so can someone take an action to email mrhillsman and ask him to close the poll ? | 14:29 |
serverascode | zioproto: it's be great to have it here, but I'd have to find some money, I work for a small company | 14:29 |
dc_mattj | serverascode, not necessarily - we can raise sponsorship | 14:29 |
mihalis68 | jproulx to contact operators team Antarctica to see if a meet up there is a possibility | 14:29 |
serverascode | everyone loves banff :) | 14:30 |
mihalis68 | I'll talk to Melvin | 14:30 |
mihalis68 | action me up mr chair | 14:30 |
dc_mattj | #action mihalis68 to email Melvin | 14:30 |
mihalis68 | Done | 14:31 |
dc_mattj | ok, was just updating the ether pad | 14:32 |
mrhillsman | bah, forgot about the dang time change | 14:32 |
dc_mattj | lol | 14:32 |
dc_mattj | we were just talking about you too | 14:32 |
mrhillsman | i see | 14:33 |
mrhillsman | y'all messy | 14:33 |
mrhillsman | :) | 14:33 |
mrhillsman | closing poll | 14:33 |
mrhillsman | kidding | 14:33 |
zioproto | I just sent an email to Mariano telling him to read the logs of the IRC chat | 14:33 |
dc_mattj | ty zioproto | 14:33 |
mrhillsman | 123 responses | 14:33 |
mrhillsman | very nice | 14:33 |
dc_mattj | so next steps for March | 14:33 |
mrhillsman | Milano barely won out | 14:34 |
dc_mattj | v.close | 14:34 |
mihalis68 | yes, we did discuss whether to leave more time, however there wasn't backing for that | 14:34 |
zioproto | when the Eventbrite tickets should be available ? | 14:35 |
zioproto | January ? | 14:35 |
dc_mattj | getting a bit ahead of ourselves there ;) | 14:35 |
dc_mattj | yes, we should aim for sometime then | 14:35 |
mihalis68 | Next steps are to establish the google docs itinerary planning document and to work on that and then getting moderators | 14:35 |
dc_mattj | the Foundation will handle that bit | 14:35 |
dc_mattj | absolutely mihalis68 | 14:35 |
mihalis68 | and to get that into shape is a big task and the tools are rough | 14:35 |
dc_mattj | and also to inform the hosts and the list of the results | 14:36 |
mihalis68 | I also think we decided that all topics need a better writeup so we can spot duplicates and overlap | 14:36 |
mihalis68 | Ah yes, you're right, the very first thing is to (graciously?) accept the winning offer! | 14:36 |
mrhillsman | i'd like to suggest we also have some idea of expected outcome from the topics | 14:36 |
dc_mattj | I think for this meeting we can just have action to tell host and the list, and we'll come to start planning next meeting with the host present | 14:37 |
dc_mattj | who wants to announce the result ? | 14:37 |
mrhillsman | i can do that | 14:37 |
mihalis68 | Seems appropriate for the poll author | 14:37 |
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dc_mattj | sorry, connection dropped | 14:38 |
mihalis68 | @zioproto you know the hosts somewhat I believe? | 14:38 |
dc_mattj | did I miss anything ? | 14:38 |
dc_mattj | I also know the hosts well | 14:38 |
mihalis68 | Is there someone in that org who could act as benevolent dictator for this event? | 14:38 |
dc_mattj | yes | 14:39 |
zioproto | mihalis68: we just speak the same mother tongue, we met with Mariano in Manchester once | 14:39 |
mrhillsman | you can action me to send the email dc_mattj | 14:39 |
dc_mattj | #action mrhillsman to email the result to the list | 14:39 |
dc_mattj | #action dc_mattj to contact Mariano at Enter | 14:39 |
mrhillsman | zioproto can reach out to host | 14:39 |
mrhillsman | cool | 14:39 |
zioproto | I already wrote to Mariano and to Stefano (stefano is the event organizator at enter.it) | 14:40 |
mihalis68 | ok, for NYC I ended up pulling the itinerary and moderators together fairly late, because I didn't initially grasp that the host has to manage the event planning or it may just never happen | 14:40 |
dc_mattj | excellent zioproto | 14:40 |
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dc_mattj | anything else to add on this topic for the minute | 14:41 |
dc_mattj | #action dc_mattj to add agenda item to start planning process next meeting | 14:41 |
mihalis68 | I'd like to know if mariano or stefano can act as lead on the planning | 14:41 |
mrhillsman | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-ops-meetup | 14:42 |
mihalis68 | I assume Mariano is an openstack operator but stefano not? | 14:42 |
zioproto | I think Stefano | 14:42 |
dc_mattj | they have an idea what's involved, so I'll say yes on their behalf | 14:42 |
zioproto | Stefano is more a marketing person as far as I understood | 14:42 |
zioproto | he will organize the logistics | 14:42 |
mihalis68 | yeah, I had a bloomberg event planner do that stuff | 14:42 |
mihalis68 | but the stuff on "my side" was perilously late as you guys probably noticed | 14:43 |
dc_mattj | anyway to really continue that conversation we need them here | 14:43 |
mihalis68 | it was the first non-Tom event if you get my drift | 14:43 |
dc_mattj | so I propose we park that discussion until next week ? | 14:43 |
dc_mattj | mihalis68, Manchester was also like that | 14:43 |
mrhillsman | i'm cleaning that etherpad up | 14:43 |
zioproto | dc_mattj: makes sense ! | 14:43 |
dc_mattj | we'll get better :) | 14:43 |
mrhillsman | any objections? | 14:43 |
mihalis68 | fine by me | 14:43 |
dc_mattj | mrhillsman, go ahead | 14:43 |
dc_mattj | #topic August location discussion | 14:44 |
dc_mattj | so still no takers for August, even after emailing the list | 14:44 |
dc_mattj | still waiting to hear from Best Buy | 14:44 |
dc_mattj | and it's also clear that there is interest in APAC | 14:45 |
dc_mattj | any thoughts on this topic ? | 14:45 |
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dc_mattj | August may just be too far out for people to think about right now of course | 14:45 |
mihalis68 | I only sent the latest call for hosts last night. Perhaps we should time-box when we need to hear an expression of interest | 14:45 |
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mihalis68 | but I'd say no response by this morning is not surprising | 14:46 |
dc_mattj | ah ok, didn't realise it had only just gone out | 14:46 |
dc_mattj | is there anything else we could be doing to encourage this along ? | 14:46 |
shintaro | I can try Tokyo again if no one from NA raise hand, but need some time | 14:46 |
jproulx | My space isn't quite big enough to host, but it would be about time for me to start thinking about booking august even though it's not our busy season (school year) | 14:46 |
dc_mattj | ty shintaro - would be great to have something in Tokyo as well | 14:46 |
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mrhillsman | Well we will need it to be in NA shintaro | 14:47 |
mihalis68 | hold on... | 14:47 |
shintaro | ok | 14:47 |
mihalis68 | NA is a "goal" but I wouldn't say it's a rule, right? | 14:47 |
mrhillsman | as i understood that was the rule, swapping | 14:47 |
mrhillsman | however | 14:47 |
jproulx | if we have no NA offers I don't see why we wouldn't accept one outside | 14:47 |
mihalis68 | I mean milan to tokyo is quite a region swing too | 14:47 |
dc_mattj | jproulx, +1 | 14:47 |
mrhillsman | true | 14:48 |
mrhillsman | i personally think we should try to minimize travel for all | 14:48 |
shintaro | so let's wait for NA proposal? | 14:48 |
mihalis68 | yes | 14:48 |
jproulx | yes, I think that preference is strong and worth some effort to generate proposals if need be, but we shoudl have a deadline in mind | 14:48 |
mrhillsman | how long are we going to wait ^ | 14:48 |
dc_mattj | my personal view is that if there is clear interest from APAC, and we have no NA proposals, then there's no harm in putting Tokyo on the table | 14:48 |
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mihalis68 | agreed | 14:49 |
dc_mattj | how about we wait until December before considering opening up ? | 14:49 |
mrhillsman | still question remains, how long to wait? | 14:49 |
dc_mattj | or January 2017 ? | 14:50 |
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mrhillsman | NA companies should be considering their 2017 agendas by now | 14:50 |
mrhillsman | dc_mattj +1 | 14:50 |
mihalis68 | we locked in milan today, so it would seem very aggressive to rule out NA this week, for example | 14:50 |
mrhillsman | i think that is prudent | 14:50 |
dc_mattj | so January ? | 14:50 |
shintaro | +1 | 14:50 |
mihalis68 | end of year seems to be sane to me | 14:50 |
jproulx | 1-1-2017 | 14:50 |
mrhillsman | what is our first meeting in Jan | 14:51 |
dc_mattj | ok January is in the minutes | 14:51 |
mihalis68 | is there a hashtag for consensus? | 14:51 |
dc_mattj | not sure | 14:52 |
dc_mattj | maybe #agreed ? | 14:52 |
jproulx | "agreed" | 14:52 |
mrhillsman | are we on a weekly cadence or bi-weekly? | 14:52 |
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jproulx | yeh | 14:52 |
dc_mattj | weekly at the minute | 14:52 |
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mrhillsman | ok, so say 1st tuesday in Jan which is the 3rd? | 14:52 |
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dc_mattj | +1 | 14:52 |
mrhillsman | almost 2 months to show interest is pretty legit | 14:53 |
mihalis68 | so by that date if no NA hosting proposal we drop that idea and take what we can get for August? | 14:53 |
shintaro | Still holiday in Japan | 14:53 |
mrhillsman | agreed | 14:53 |
zioproto | 5 minutes to go | 14:54 |
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dc_mattj | yes, coming up to time | 14:54 |
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dc_mattj | any thing more to add on the August topic ? | 14:55 |
mihalis68 | I'll volunteer to do another message asking for hosts again but now saying we need to hear by end of year | 14:55 |
dc_mattj | #action mihalis68 to update call to action including time box | 14:55 |
dc_mattj | any more on this topic ? | 14:56 |
mrhillsman | oh | 14:56 |
mrhillsman | who did eventbrite? | 14:56 |
mihalis68 | @shintaro I don't think you need worry about the Jan 3rd meeting | 14:56 |
dc_mattj | mrhillsman, the Foundation | 14:56 |
mihalis68 | when you get back to your desk we'll have clarity on the NA event | 14:56 |
mrhillsman | so reach out to tom? | 14:56 |
shintaro | thanks mihalis68 :) | 14:56 |
dc_mattj | I think we can leave that to next weeks meeting | 14:56 |
mrhillsman | or someone else? | 14:56 |
dc_mattj | someone else | 14:57 |
mihalis68 | that can be next meeting | 14:57 |
dc_mattj | one of the event team can do it | 14:57 |
dc_mattj | doesn't take long | 14:57 |
mihalis68 | I think Erin Disney did it | 14:57 |
mrhillsman | ok | 14:57 |
dc_mattj | but there are other decisions we have to make before then, like total amount of tickets | 14:57 |
dc_mattj | which we need Mariano in the discussion | 14:57 |
mrhillsman | ok | 14:57 |
mihalis68 | don't forget we "charge" for the event so it's best that the foundation does that | 14:57 |
dc_mattj | yup | 14:58 |
dc_mattj | next weeks agenda items | 14:58 |
mrhillsman | yeah, i am cleaning up the etherpad | 14:58 |
dc_mattj | so given we only have 1 minute left, I don't think we are going to get to the final agenda item today | 14:58 |
mrhillsman | no worries, it can wait | 14:58 |
dc_mattj | will be appropriate once we get into session planning anyway | 14:59 |
mihalis68 | pretty good meeting this time | 14:59 |
dc_mattj | anything else anyone wants to add before we close the meeting today ? | 14:59 |
mihalis68 | progress | 14:59 |
mrhillsman | well, thanks for managing the meeting dc_mattj | 14:59 |
mihalis68 | +1 | 14:59 |
zioproto | thanks for the meeting. I will be here next week. | 14:59 |
dc_mattj | :) | 14:59 |
shintaro | +1 | 14:59 |
jproulx | I think it's great the life this team has taken on, thanks all! | 14:59 |
dc_mattj | thanks for all your input and effort | 14:59 |
dc_mattj | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 15 14:59:55 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetups_team/2016/ops_meetups_team.2016-11-15-14.09.html | 14:59 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetups_team/2016/ops_meetups_team.2016-11-15-14.09.txt | 14:59 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetups_team/2016/ops_meetups_team.2016-11-15-14.09.log.html | 15:00 |
dc_mattj | see you next week | 15:00 |
shintaro | thank you | 15:00 |
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mriedem | feedback on this would be appreciated http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2016-November/012085.html | 18:48 |
mriedem | before nova goes and removes an extension point | 18:48 |
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mgagne | mriedem: thanks for the email, already replied =) | 19:41 |
mgagne | greatly appreciate the heads up and the cleanup work going on in Nova. | 19:41 |
mriedem | mgagne: np thanks for replying | 19:51 |
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openstackgerrit | Slawek Kaplonski proposed openstack/osops-tools-contrib: Add script to balance load of Neutron DHCP agents https://review.openstack.org/397960 | 21:36 |
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slaweq_ | mdorman: hello | 21:42 |
slaweq_ | I just proposed patch (script) to openstack/osops-tools-contrib repo | 21:43 |
slaweq_ | I don't know who from reviewers should I add to review it, can You maybe take a look on it (I think You are core reviewer in this project) :) | 21:44 |
slaweq_ | thx in advance | 21:44 |
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mdorman | slaweq_: sure thing. that repo is fairly informal, there are a few of us that typically review. will take a look later today or early tomorrow. thanks! | 22:01 |
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slaweq_ | mdorman: yes, I read about it :) thx for help | 22:03 |
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mnaser | mdorman late but better than ever | 22:14 |
mnaser | snapshots shutting servers down are typically a result of the workflow being weird | 22:14 |
mnaser | are you using rbd snapshots? | 22:14 |
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mnaser | mdorman i can't find the exact code, but basically if a specific step fails in the snapshot, nova reverts to snapshotting with the server shut down | 22:19 |
mnaser | the nova-compute logs would show the failure and then the fallback to cold snapshot | 22:19 |
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mdorman | mnaser: we had figured it out late yesterday, due to a bug in latest centos 7 qemu-img, this update fixes it: https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2016-2585.html | 23:25 |
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mnaser | mdorman are you running rhel internally or with the rhev packages? | 23:31 |
mnaser | or rather centos storage sig packages | 23:31 |
mnaser | man, i need sleep, i meant virt sig | 23:32 |
mdorman | not running with the sig packages. although we nee to look at that | 23:32 |
mnaser | if you use centos packages i think it pulls it automatically though mdorman | 23:32 |
mnaser | centos openstack packages that is | 23:32 |
mdorman | we do our own packaging of openstack, so we only pull the libvirt/qemu stuff from upstream centos | 23:33 |
mnaser | ah | 23:33 |
mnaser | i was gonna point to this: https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2016-November/015315.html | 23:33 |
mnaser | heads up for other operators using virt sig... you might be running insecure qemu :< | 23:34 |
mdorman | yeah, we have avoided that particular issue :) | 23:34 |
klindgren_ | packages are hard. | 23:37 |
mnaser | the number of things factored in rpm to determine if release x+1 > release x is too much | 23:38 |
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ckonstanski | Trying to understand this: | 23:41 |
ckonstanski | emerge -av dev-ruby/net-sftp | 23:41 |
ckonstanski | [ebuild N ] dev-ruby/net-sftp-2.1.2-r2:2::gentoo USE="-doc {-test}" RUBY_TARGETS="ruby20 ruby21 (-ruby22) (-ruby23)" 66 KiB | 23:41 |
ckonstanski | Why are ruby22 and ruby23 disabled for this package? The ebuild lists them and I have them installed. | 23:41 |
ckonstanski | There must be something blocking them on my system. Not sure how to find it. | 23:42 |
ckonstanski | Sorry, wrong channel. | 23:43 |
ckonstanski | disregard | 23:43 |
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