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VW | hey folks | 16:03 |
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VW | sorry got stuck in a meeting | 16:03 |
VW | anyone her for LDT? | 16:03 |
mdorman | yup! | 16:03 |
mdorman | got my time zone conversion right this time | 16:03 |
VW | woo hoo! | 16:03 |
VW | ok - let me get this started | 16:05 |
VW | may just be the two of us, though | 16:05 |
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VW | #startmeeting Large Deployments Team | 16:05 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 15 16:05:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is VW. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:05 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:05 |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'large_deployments_team' | 16:05 |
VW | #topic roll call | 16:05 |
VW | o/ | 16:05 |
mdorman | o | 16:06 |
klindgren__ | o/ | 16:06 |
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VW | hey both you guys are here | 16:08 |
VW | good | 16:08 |
VW | because klindgren has to help me remember things from BCN ;) | 16:08 |
klindgren | Thats a pretty tall ask :-D | 16:09 |
VW | with that... | 16:09 |
VW | #topic follow up from BCN | 16:09 |
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VW | here was our etherpad from BCN: | 16:11 |
VW | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BCN-Large-Deployments-Team | 16:11 |
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VW | I feel like we touched on some things that would be worth getting with Devs and working on forum session submissions | 16:11 |
VW | There were some more Neutron bits that came up as potential ones to chase changes on | 16:13 |
VW | the client itself | 16:13 |
VW | or "partitioning" of neutron - ie, cells | 16:14 |
mdorman | yeah that one in particular stands out to me. although it’s also probably the most vague at this point | 16:14 |
VW | there was also some discussion in the Nova meeting about some search/detailed calls in the APIs under cells v2 that left us all scratching our heads a bit | 16:15 |
VW | klindgren: you have any thoughts there | 16:15 |
klindgren | Searchlight seems to just re-duplicate cellsv1 | 16:16 |
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mdorman | i think LDT can be pretty helpful around testing teh cells v1 -> v2 upgrade path, and cells v2 in general. although that’s also a bit of a niche thing. | 16:16 |
klindgren | with a slight change. The fact that they were going to redirect to search light was the most disturbing to me. | 16:16 |
VW | I agree mdorman - we should be very helpful in those areas. Sounds like it might be P before we get the upgrade path for v1 users | 16:17 |
VW | and yes klindgren - that worries me a lot | 16:17 |
VW | I guess, the part I'm trying to figure out is how do we effectively engage in that one? | 16:18 |
VW | do we need to have a special meeting and try to get some key nova folks in there? | 16:19 |
klindgren | I think that was wait an see, because they wanted to do what we expected the first time. But the preffered path is searchlight. | 16:19 |
VW | that's right | 16:19 |
VW | because this is a short cycle | 16:20 |
VW | with the shift in dev time lines | 16:20 |
klindgren | but I htink it would be worth raising the concerns about the searchlight path. As it basically duplicates the arch of cellsv1. | 16:20 |
VW | but, let me see if I can get john G. or some other folks to come in Feb (since he's UK, it will have to wait two meetings) | 16:20 |
mdorman | so the idea is using searchlight instead of nova calls to do searching of stuff? Or also for listing? I guess i don’t have th e full context on this | 16:20 |
mdorman | yeah that might be best, just some time when we can sync up and make sure we’re all onteh same page | 16:21 |
VW | for refference | 16:21 |
VW | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/16934/nova-cells-v2-scheduler-searchlight-multi-cell-support | 16:21 |
mdorman | kk | 16:22 |
VW | sorry, mdorman - that's the actual session link but the etherpad is in there | 16:23 |
mdorman | yup i made the connection, np :) | 16:23 |
VW | are either of you (or anyone else lurking) aware at all of this: | 16:23 |
VW | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-nova-summit-cellsv2-quotas | 16:23 |
klindgren | I was not | 16:25 |
mdorman | i sort of remember skimming over some ML thread about this, but i don’t recall the details | 16:25 |
VW | this was another that they wanted our opinion on at the summit | 16:27 |
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VW | I didn't know if we wanted to craft any "official" feedback | 16:27 |
klindgren | The only official feedback I have is, that quotas in nova is a travesty. So anything that can actually make them not fall out of sync. Would be welcomed | 16:28 |
mdorman | yeah i don’t have any particular thoughts on it either. other than doing quotas in just one place seems like a good way to go. | 16:31 |
klindgren | but it seems like this might get rid of parts of that code path that can and do go wrong. But I dont like the idea of a race causing over allocation. But we are less dependent on that now than we use to be. | 16:32 |
VW | is this something we should partner with folks to get forum sessions for in Boston? | 16:32 |
mdorman | looks like the spec already merged, so may or may not be too late for significant feedback. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/388262/ | 16:33 |
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mdorman | yeah, although it kind of seems like a subtopic of “cells v2” to me, so maybe it’s most appropriate to aim for a more general cells v2 “cross project” session between LDT and Nova, where we can cover a few related topics. | 16:34 |
VW | sounds good | 16:34 |
VW | I'll bring this up again next month on the late meeting | 16:35 |
VW | and if we can get some Nova folks in in Feb, we should have enough to write a proposal | 16:35 |
mdorman | yup | 16:35 |
mdorman | would time out fairly well for getting stuff prepped for boston as well | 16:35 |
VW | yep | 16:36 |
VW | I think so | 16:36 |
VW | I feel like there was also some glance related stuff we chatted with devs about, but sadly that is escaping me | 16:36 |
VW | The other thing I'd like to do is get the us and the new Public Cloud WG to partner on a submission or two | 16:37 |
VW | I'll have to follow up with mattjarvis on getting that on his agenda soon for their meetings | 16:37 |
mattjarvis | VW, good idea ;) | 16:38 |
mdorman | speaking of other groups, is there much overlap with the new “massively distributed” group? from limited info i saw, it wasn’t clear to me how LDT would interact with that one. | 16:39 |
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VW | yeah, I think there may be some overlap there | 16:41 |
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klindgren | I never fully understood that one as much. Massively distributed seems like it just a large collection of smaller clouds? | 16:42 |
VW | is that the same as this | 16:42 |
VW | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LCOO | 16:42 |
mdorman | i’m pretty sure that’s something different | 16:43 |
mdorman | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Massively_Distributed_Clouds i think is it | 16:44 |
VW | yeah, we are seeing more and more overalp | 16:45 |
VW | side note, we need to clean this up | 16:46 |
VW | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Large_Deployment_Team | 16:46 |
VW | so, I think we need to find out more about the massively distributed group | 16:47 |
VW | maybe attend some meetings, etc | 16:47 |
VW | Last I heard, the LCCO folks weren't really doing things in IRC, etc, but I'll check with Tom on that | 16:47 |
VW | I do think that a good partnership between LDT and the public cloud WG's could produce some great results | 16:47 |
VW | mattjarvis: when is the next meeting for Public Clouds? | 16:48 |
VW | next week? | 16:48 |
mattjarvis | next Wednesday | 16:48 |
zioproto | hello all | 16:48 |
zioproto | I just arrived | 16:48 |
zioproto | Massively Distributed Clouds they have this vision of the Fog computing | 16:49 |
zioproto | they want to to do this system where the compute nodes are at the edge near the user | 16:49 |
zioproto | so instead of having a big DC with 1000 Servers, you have 10 servers at each network PoP | 16:49 |
VW | ah - thanks zioproto | 16:49 |
zioproto | that is the key idea of Massively Distributed and Fog Computing | 16:49 |
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zioproto | I dont know how much overlap there is with Large Deployments | 16:50 |
zioproto | I guess we plan more on the big DC with many machines | 16:50 |
zioproto | so now | 16:50 |
zioproto | for them | 16:50 |
zioproto | practically speaking | 16:50 |
zioproto | the problems are things like running rabbitMQ geographically | 16:50 |
klindgren | So bascially you are more concerned with federation of a bunch of tiny clouds. Trying to act as once large cloud? | 16:50 |
zioproto | that is the vision of the Massively Distributed | 16:51 |
klindgren | kinda like having nova-cells - with a bunch of really small clouds? | 16:51 |
zioproto | you have small amounts of compute nodes in many many sites | 16:51 |
klindgren | s/clouds/cells | 16:51 |
zioproto | I make an examples | 16:51 |
zioproto | if the VMs make NFV things like firewalls | 16:51 |
zioproto | you want these VMs to be spread out and near the end user | 16:51 |
mattjarvis | its a pretty common telco pattern | 16:51 |
zioproto | mattjarvis: bingo ! :) | 16:52 |
zioproto | I was writing exactly that | 16:52 |
VW | yeah, I think there is a TON of overlap between massively distributed and LCCO | 16:52 |
zioproto | so I think we dont necessarly want to follow the same goal of Massive Distributed in our WG | 16:52 |
VW | since both are very telco driven | 16:52 |
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VW | cool | 16:53 |
mattjarvis | not sure who's in that Massively Distributed group | 16:53 |
zioproto | Oh is the first time I read about LCCO | 16:53 |
mattjarvis | LCCO ? | 16:53 |
zioproto | LCOO | 16:53 |
zioproto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LCOO | 16:53 |
VW | sorry that | 16:53 |
* VW types poorly | 16:53 | |
VW | ;) | 16:53 |
VW | anyway, we are about out of time | 16:54 |
VW | this was actually very useful | 16:54 |
zioproto | but this is the LDT meeting right ? :) | 16:54 |
VW | yep | 16:54 |
zioproto | okay just to make sure :) | 16:54 |
VW | we were just talking about the upcoming summit and who we might partner with on some session submissions | 16:54 |
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VW | sounds like we will engage the nova team (in our Feb meeting probably) to work on some potential topics | 16:54 |
VW | mattjarvis: you should probably plan on being here for that if we get some Nova cores in to talk cells V2 | 16:55 |
VW | and I do think there will be an opportunity to partner with the Public Cloud WG on a submission or two | 16:55 |
VW | Neturon client performance/bloat/behavior was another topic that came up a lot with LDT in BCN | 16:56 |
mattjarvis | sounds good, keep me in the loop - not quite clear yet the direction of travel for Public Cloud WG, but should be defined by then | 16:56 |
VW | that we could probably reach out to Neutron on and get some submissions going | 16:56 |
VW | sorry - we were all over the place, but this was good | 16:56 |
VW | any other things folks need to dicuss? | 16:56 |
VW | thanks, mdorman, klindgren, zioproto and mattjarvis for the conversation | 16:57 |
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mdorman | sure thing | 16:59 |
zioproto | thank you | 16:59 |
zioproto | bye bye | 16:59 |
VW | alright - see you all next month | 16:59 |
VW | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 15 16:59:51 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/large_deployments_team/2016/large_deployments_team.2016-12-15-16.05.html | 16:59 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/large_deployments_team/2016/large_deployments_team.2016-12-15-16.05.txt | 16:59 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/large_deployments_team/2016/large_deployments_team.2016-12-15-16.05.log.html | 16:59 |
mdorman | thanks VW | 17:00 |
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