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| mnaser | dmsimard wouldn't be the first time openstack gets redone in go | 00:20 |
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| mdorman | anybody out there using RabbitMQ 3.6.6 or 3.6.x yet? What’s been the experience? Any gottchas? | 00:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Saverio Proto proposed openstack/osops-tools-contrib: nova-libvirt-compare.py: compare Nova state to hypervisor state https://review.openstack.org/416918 | 10:12 |
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| beddari | we're getting requests from customers wanting shelve-by-default ... anyone dealt with that? | 12:12 |
| zioproto | beddari: never | 12:14 |
| zioproto | hello all | 12:14 |
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| zioproto | I just figured out that Horizon when listing the images, tries also to show glance images that are not public anymore | 12:15 |
| zioproto | I get my log files for glance poisoned with http://paste.openstack.org/show/593986/ | 12:15 |
| beddari | hi Saviero /wave ... shelve by default kind of makes sense, so I get why they request it | 12:15 |
| zioproto | beddari: I meant I never dealt with shelve by default :) | 12:15 |
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| beddari | re the glance log, why is it doing a GET there? I'm guessing a race of some sorts, so that image is actually just gone? | 12:18 |
| beddari | ah "not public anymore", so they used to be? | 12:19 |
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| zioproto | ok I give a bit of background | 12:26 |
| zioproto | we generate new glance images everymonth | 12:27 |
| zioproto | so you have a default ubuntu image for example | 12:27 |
| zioproto | the uuid changes everymonth | 12:27 |
| zioproto | the old image is set as private | 12:27 |
| zioproto | and users dont see it anymore | 12:27 |
| zioproto | but | 12:27 |
| zioproto | openstack server show uuid | 12:27 |
| zioproto | will show the uuid of the image of the time when the instance was started | 12:27 |
| zioproto | so we see horizon | 12:27 |
| zioproto | asks informations about this glance uuids that are not public anymore | 12:28 |
| zioproto | this generates tons of 404 and backtraces in the glance api | 12:28 |
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| beddari | ah hm I see, my answer is just (boring) "we don't do that" ... | 13:23 |
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| erhudy | mdorman: i've been upgrading clusters to rabbit 3.6.5 and it has been unremarkable | 13:56 |
| erhudy | actually, we've been on 3.6.x for a while, older clusters are on 3.6.0 | 13:57 |
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| erhudy | upgrading from 3.5.x to 3.6.0 was slightly janky because i think they changed the password hashing mechanism and it invalidated the account passwords, but was easy to fix | 13:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Maciej Jozefczyk proposed openstack/osops-tools-contrib: Add cold start, cold stop, cold restart to script https://review.openstack.org/417003 | 15:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Maciej Jozefczyk proposed openstack/osops-tools-contrib: Add cold stop, cold start, cold restart to dhcp_agents_balancer.py Cold stop: remove all network to agent associations Cold start: add network to agent associations Cold restart: do stop and start https://review.openstack.org/417003 | 15:07 |
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| mriedem | we got one reply on http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2016-November/012085.html - can everyone else take a look at this and let me know if they are using this plugin mechanism for image downloads before we yank it in ocata? | 15:43 |
| mdorman | erhudy: great, thanks for the data point | 15:46 |
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| mnaser | we don't get discount codes for "the forum" anymore even if we've contributed code? | 15:58 |
| mnaser | the only way we can is by attending the PTG event as well? | 15:58 |
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| mdorman | there’s all the AUC criteria, too. I did not necessarily take it to mean that attending the PTG is the _only_ way to get a discount code. Just that if you do attend PTG, you would get one. | 16:09 |
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| mnaser | mdorman: but, as a contributor, that was a nice thing to have which is gone now.. unless i attend the PTG | 16:30 |
| mnaser | essentially paying twice | 16:30 |
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| erhudy | mnaser: reading your convo in #ceph about colocated OSDs with VMs | 16:33 |
| erhudy | all i can say is run away, don't walk | 16:33 |
| mnaser | erhudy story time? | 16:33 |
| erhudy | not really a specific story, just a warning that it's fraught with peril | 16:33 |
| mnaser | oh i've heard that part a lot | 16:33 |
| mnaser | but also i hear that redhat has been pushing that architecture latelyw | 16:34 |
| mnaser | with some use cases | 16:34 |
| erhudy | really? they always tell us the exact opposite | 16:34 |
| erhudy | our larger clusters are a constant stream of blocked request whining | 16:34 |
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| erhudy | we also effed up by having the ceph public/private networks be the same network, so mon traffic competes with OSD replication traffic and sometimes the mons start unexpectedly forcing elections | 16:34 |
| erhudy | if i were doing it over i'd have them on separate VLANs and QoS the public storage VLAN up at the switch | 16:35 |
| erhudy | plus the operational annoyance of disks failing and then the controller or HBA won't recognize the replacement disk until a reboot, or it creates an entirely new device node, so you have to get all the instances off or tell people their instances are going down for a bit | 16:38 |
| erhudy | we're still on kilo on the larger clusters so live migration can be a crapshoot | 16:39 |
| erhudy | i'd like to deconverge our block storage off the compute nodes so that we could buy purpose-built nodes for each role and also ensure we're able to tune each role properly for what it's doing | 16:40 |
| mnaser | erhudy the public/private network thing would cause a lot of problems regardless | 16:42 |
| mnaser | and that operational thing... we've worked around it by just doing live migrations, works well for us (but we're on mitaka) | 16:42 |
| mnaser | i have considered deconverge-ing but so far... it works® | 16:43 |
| erhudy | we recently had an ops issue with some newer machines and we had to do around 800 live migrations, probably <10 actually failed, so it wasn't awful | 16:43 |
| erhudy | it just sucks having to put on the shoulder-length glove and reach up into libvirt to clean up a busted migrate | 16:43 |
| mnaser | mitaka live migrations have been *really* good now | 16:45 |
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| logan- | erhudy: are you running a new enough libvirt version where you can enable some of the newer live migrate flags like memory delta compression and auto convergence? we saw a lot of migration failures/timeouts, especially windows instances, but the memory compression basically changed it from a crapshoot to a very low migration failure rate | 16:52 |
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| erhudy | yeah, windows instances were guaranteed failures | 16:52 |
| erhudy | we source all our stuff from canonical's cloud archive, so on the kilo clusters libvirt's at 1.2.12-0ubuntu14.3~cloud0, and on the liberty ones 1.2.16-2ubuntu11.15.10.4~cloud0 | 16:53 |
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| logan- | you might check if VIR_MIGRATE_COMPRESSED is supported.. iirc the kilo cloud archive had compression but not auto converge | 16:55 |
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| logan- | good preso about the newer migration flags available https://01.org/sites/default/files/dive_into_vm_live_migration_2.pdf | 16:55 |
| erhudy | man, using that picture of the hoboken PATH elevator flooding in their presentation | 16:55 |
| erhudy | too soon! | 16:55 |
| logan- | haha | 16:57 |
| erhudy | i expect to revisit live migration more closely once we get to mitaka | 16:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/osops-tools-contrib: Add cold stop, cold start, cold restart to dhcp_agents_balancer.py Cold stop: remove all network to agent associations Cold start: add network to agent associations Cold restart: do stop and start https://review.openstack.org/417003 | 21:51 |
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