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| shewless | mdorman: around to talk about rmq getting saturated when nuetron is restarted on a setup with lots of ports? | 16:49 |
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| mdorman | shewless: sure, i can try :) | 16:54 |
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| shewless | mdorman: it was you who mentioned you experience a similar problem right? (Can't remember for sure) | 16:54 |
| mdorman | yes | 16:55 |
| shewless | do you remember if you did anything to mitigate the issue? Otherwise, if you think it's a rmq issue, can you recommend some reading for me to "tweak" rmq? | 16:56 |
| shewless | maybe increase some thresholds, set some backoff times, etc | 16:56 |
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| mdorman | shewless: in our particular case, the trigger for it was when a dhcp port changed. inside nuetron this causes a complete reload of all security group rules on all ports on that network. | 17:09 |
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| mdorman | that would generate a bunch of load on neutron, which in turn would cause ovs agents to drop offline (because neutron-server was not processing their checkins/keep alives fast enough.) so that just exacerbated the problem, now with agents for other networks reconnecting. | 17:10 |
| shewless | mdorman: For me, IIRC, the trigger is restarting neutron-openvswitch-agent | 17:10 |
| mdorman | yeah if you have a large number of ports behind a single ovs agent i would expect similar behavior. when the agent comes up it has to fetch all teh port info for all the ports from the neutron-server | 17:10 |
| shewless | recommendations for what I can/should add for scale? More ovs agents? Is that even possible? | 17:11 |
| mdorman | i think the recommendation i would say is more neutron-server instances. so there are more workers to process all the rpcs from the agents. but at some point you can only go so far with that and you’ll hit a scale issue at teh database. | 17:13 |
| mdorman | but generally i think more neutron-server workers is the next step | 17:13 |
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| klindgren_ | shewless, how many neutron agents do you have? | 17:17 |
| shewless | would that be the api_workers? | 17:18 |
| shewless | or the rpc_workers | 17:18 |
| shewless | or something different :) | 17:18 |
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| shewless | klindgren_ and mdorman: I have neutron installed in 1 spot. And I haven't tweaked the workers from default. hints on where I would add more neutron-server workers? | 17:24 |
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| klindgren_ | sorry - how many in: neutron agent-list | 17:25 |
| klindgren_ | which would be all the things that RPC (rabbitmq) communication is used for. | 17:25 |
| klindgren_ | so iirc its rpc_workers and api_workers in neutron.conf under the default section. | 17:27 |
| klindgren_ | search for those under: http://docs.openstack.org/liberty/config-reference/content/section_neutron.conf.html | 17:27 |
| klindgren_ | we currently run with 3 neutron servers (1 process per server) with like 20 RPC workers and 20 API workers iirc. | 17:27 |
| mdorman | yaeh at some point though, if you have more workers than you do cpu cores on the box, it’s not going to buy you much. then you’d need to go to multiple servers for it. | 17:29 |
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| shewless | klindgren_: ah.. 1 open vswitch agent per compute. 1 DHCP agent, 1 L3 agent, 1 metadata agent | 17:29 |
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| klindgren_ | We only started running into dhcp agent issues and RPC saturation around 800+ agents (~12 dhcp agents and ~800 compute nodes) | 17:30 |
| klindgren_ | now 0 dhcp agents :-D | 17:31 |
| shewless | no dhcp? | 17:31 |
| shewless | which agents do I need to increase? the open vswitch ones on the computes? | 17:32 |
| shewless | of the "others" on the control? | 17:32 |
| shewless | do you tweak the "workers" in nova too/ | 17:34 |
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| shewless | klindren_, mdorman: the number of agents doesn't seem to change even if I increase the rpc_workers and api_workers in neutron.conf. This is done on the "controller" right? | 18:19 |
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| mdorman | yes. there is adifference between agents and workers. agents are the things that run out on the hypervisors (ovs agent, l3 agent, etc.). workers are the neutron-server processes that run on the controller. that rpc_workers config on the controller should incrase those. | 18:32 |
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| shewless | mdorman: and my goal is to increase the workers right? Do I just ps wwaux | grep neutron-server to see how many workers are running/> | 19:05 |
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| mdorman | shewless: yes, increase workers. and yeah looking at the number of things in the process list is a good way to validate | 20:05 |
| shewless | mdorman: thanks this gives me hope! I'll try it out and report back probably next week | 20:15 |
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| shewless | mdorman: is rpc_workers the important one for this particular problem (openvswitch, ports, etc) | 21:19 |
| shewless | I assume api_workers is important for api requests but not a factor in my particular problem | 21:19 |
| shewless | same with the rpc_state_workers | 21:20 |
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| mdorman | shewless: yes for rpc_workers re: api_workers. i am not eaxctly sure what rpc_state_workers is for | 23:51 |
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