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| admin0 | anyone using QOS on neutron ? | 14:39 |
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| admin0 | it works ? | 14:39 |
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| klindgren | we don't | 15:45 |
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| klindgren | I asume by QoS you mean less tagging of packet with priorit and more of the rate limiting features | 15:46 |
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| klindgren | admin0, ^^ | 15:46 |
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| admin0 | klindgren: something like that | 15:47 |
| admin0 | i read its there now .. want to know the use cases | 15:47 |
| klindgren | If we are talking about the rate limiting features, we choose not use neutrons QoS because its traffic policing vs's traffic shapping | 15:47 |
| klindgren | we run our own libvirt hooks that sets up qdiscs to do traffic shapping for some of our vm's. As its much better than just simply dropping packets on the floor after a specific threshold. | 15:48 |
| klindgren | which is what neutron does | 15:48 |
| klindgren | http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/quality-of-service-qos/qos-policing/19645-policevsshape.html | 15:49 |
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| VW | howdy folks! | 16:01 |
| jamemcc | Hi | 16:01 |
| VW | let me get things set up | 16:01 |
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| VW | #startmeeting Large Deployments Team | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 16 16:02:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is VW. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'large_deployments_team' | 16:02 |
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| VW | who all do we have this month? | 16:02 |
| mdorman | o/ | 16:03 |
| klindgren | o/ | 16:03 |
| jamemcc | o/ | 16:03 |
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| VW | excellent. | 16:03 |
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| admin0 | o/ - new addition | 16:03 |
| VW | welcome! | 16:04 |
| VW | and jamemcc - glad you could make it | 16:04 |
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| VW | along with the usual folks | 16:04 |
| jamemcc | FYI - I'm the chair of the new LCOO workign group and so I'd like to collaborate on items in common. | 16:04 |
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| VW | yep | 16:04 |
| VW | that will tie in to a topic in a bit ;) | 16:04 |
| jamemcc | But hopefully I'll also be able to contribute just as me as well. | 16:05 |
| VW | #topic Ops Midcycle | 16:05 |
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| klindgren | I will not be there | 16:05 |
| VW | me either, unfortunately | 16:05 |
| VW | i was hoping belmoreira might be in the meeting today to see if he was planning on attending | 16:06 |
| admin0 | odd timing though .. it starts when office closes | 16:06 |
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| VW | not sure I follow admin0 | 16:07 |
| admin0 | sorry .. wrong window | 16:07 |
| admin0 | lets continue | 16:07 |
| VW | ah - make sesnse :) | 16:07 |
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| admin0 | so this meeting, large deployment team .. is it about intenal openstack deployment ( like for the foundation) or about people with large deployments | 16:09 |
| admin0 | and what is considred large | 16:09 |
| VW | It doesn't sound like anyone here is going to the mid-cycle. I'll try to follow up with some other team members. I just wanted to make sure there wasn't anything specific the teamm wnated input/attendance in | 16:09 |
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| VW | admin0: it's for people with "large" deployments | 16:09 |
| VW | but that definition is a bit open | 16:09 |
| mdorman | for whatever “large” means to you. | 16:09 |
| belmoreira | VM sorry I'm late | 16:10 |
| VW | hey hey belmoreira - welcome! | 16:10 |
| mdorman | basically thinking about scale issues, etc. | 16:10 |
| VW | for some, admin0 - large is a big deployment | 16:10 |
| VW | for others, it's many many small deployments | 16:10 |
| admin0 | i am approaching 100 compute nodes per availabiltiy zone, so 200 in total ; approx 6000+ instances | 16:10 |
| VW | we have acive membes with both scnarios | 16:10 |
| admin0 | do i count in ? | 16:10 |
| admin0 | and i put down my issues :D ? | 16:10 |
| admin0 | \o/ — outgoing DDoS, syn flood etc | 16:11 |
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| admin0 | how to handle those | 16:11 |
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| klindgren | We joined LDT when we had aboutthat many compute nodes | 16:12 |
| admin0 | so what kind of contribution do i provide ? | 16:12 |
| VW | yeah admin0 - sometimes is as much about finding common issues as you move through various phase shifts - 10's to 100's, 100's to 1000's, 1000's to 10,000's etc | 16:13 |
| VW | as it is to the size you are today | 16:13 |
| admin0 | my first time in the meeting, so i will read others interacting and then will know how to contribute .. | 16:14 |
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| admin0 | please continue | 16:14 |
| VW | actually admin0 - historically, the team has partnered with dev teams to get blueprints and work going on scale issues we have in common | 16:14 |
| VW | but yes, I think you'll find ways to jump in | 16:14 |
| admin0 | ok | 16:14 |
| VW | belmoreira: are you going to Milan | 16:14 |
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| belmoreira | unfortunately not... but two CERN folks will be there | 16:15 |
| belmoreira | they will look more for ironic experiences | 16:16 |
| VW | OK | 16:17 |
| VW | I will have some fellow Rackers there too from the private cloud side, but it looks like none of LDT is going | 16:17 |
| VW | was going to make sure there wasn't anything specific that we needed looked in to/attended as a team | 16:18 |
| VW | on to the next thing then | 16:19 |
| VW | #Boston | 16:19 |
| VW | oops | 16:19 |
| VW | #topic Boston | 16:19 |
| VW | With only a couple of months left, I wanted to circle back on forum sessions | 16:20 |
| VW | and I apologize, I haven't pulled up the notes from our sessions in BCN yet due to a busy morning | 16:21 |
| VW | Give me a minute | 16:21 |
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| VW | ok - sorry - found it | 16:25 |
| VW | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BCN-Large-Deployments-Team | 16:25 |
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| VW | I have requested some specific meeting times for the team, but I also wanted us to circle back and think about forum session topics we may want to partner with others on | 16:26 |
| klindgren | So cellv2 and conversion from cellsv1 - would be interesting | 16:27 |
| VW | good call. | 16:27 |
| klindgren | ALso neutron scaling. We just recently had issues with neutron and dhcp agent's | 16:28 |
| klindgren | bascially blowing up neutron with large provider networks | 16:28 |
| VW | that's good too | 16:28 |
| klindgren | due to dhcpagents getting shifted around and neutron reprograming all of the security group flows on the vm's attached to those networks | 16:28 |
| VW | belmoreira: is this the time to try and get conversation going on some of the Glance issues we've been chasing | 16:29 |
| klindgren | since we run with /22's its like 1k reconfigs at a pop | 16:29 |
| klindgren | Which pounded the db, the api servers and then took out all of the nuetron agents | 16:29 |
| belmoreira | I think so... and what is the role of glare | 16:30 |
| klindgren | due to the api's not processing requests fast enough and agent down time kicking in | 16:30 |
| klindgren | which then caused a whole cloud security group refresh | 16:30 |
| klindgren | it was.... | 16:30 |
| klindgren | great fun | 16:30 |
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| belmoreira | neutron scalability would be interesting | 16:30 |
| belmoreira | I also would be interested in cellv2 experiences in newton/ocata and the placement api | 16:31 |
| klindgren | Also - I havent stayed abreast of searchlight | 16:31 |
| klindgren | and nova's desire to use that for listing of vm's across cells. | 16:31 |
| VW | created this | 16:31 |
| VW | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LDT-BOS-fourm_topics_sractchpad | 16:31 |
| VW | let's put these ideas in there | 16:32 |
| VW | jamemcc: any of these issues overlap with anything LCCO is discussing | 16:32 |
| VW | would be nice if we could partner on a forum session sumbission or two | 16:32 |
| jamemcc | Yeah - part of the missing questions for LCOO form the December session was what might LCOO be bringing in and obviously if it's the same sort of thing as LDT brings or is naturally interested/expereinced in - lets work ahead of time on the same Forum sessions. So that said - what will we be bringing - that's really still pretty open - trying to get subteams organized to bring the user stories. The Subteams are Networking - which might | 16:32 |
| jamemcc | bring User Stories to help bring L2 and L3 networking solutions together. | 16:32 |
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| jamemcc | Security - which should eb bringing a lot of the user stories that large operator are experienced in implementing in thier older platforms but need to be readdressed in a new Cloud Native way. | 16:33 |
| jamemcc | What we call Resource Management - which is supposed to be bringing in user stoies to help guide cross project things to help coordiante across clouds (maybe what was earlier called instances) | 16:34 |
| VW | hmm - don't want to side track, but I'd be carful about equating instances to clouds | 16:36 |
| VW | that's how most people refer to VMs | 16:36 |
| jamemcc | Thanks - glad to get the feedback | 16:36 |
| klindgren | So - I do have a general question is anyone re-doing their deployment infrastructure? | 16:36 |
| klindgren | Thats something that we have been focused on is moving from packages to kolla containers | 16:36 |
| jamemcc | I'll keep ttyping to get it out there but please dont' wait | 16:37 |
| VW | on sec klindgren | 16:37 |
| VW | one sec even | 16:37 |
| VW | can everyone here dump some thoughts in the ehterpad above | 16:37 |
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| VW | I chatted with Tom last night, I think the brainstorming process for forum sessions starts at the end of the month | 16:37 |
| jamemcc | QA/Testing - User stories about availability and anything we find ourselves automating to make things better in the upcoming release as well as the types of scriptstest we run as we are deploying individual clouds | 16:38 |
| VW | we'll take some of this to mailing lists, flesh them out and then see if we can find dev partners and/or other working groups to help champion any | 16:38 |
| VW | cool jamemcc - I'm sure we'll find a couple to partner on | 16:38 |
| VW | in the spirit of sharing best practices, I'd like to switch topics and dive in to klindgren's questions | 16:39 |
| VW | unless anyone objects | 16:39 |
| VW | since the team is 1 part working on chagnes to OpenStack and one part sharing the pain/experiences/best practices :) | 16:39 |
| jamemcc | Otehrs are Containerized Control Plane and what we call Operations/LMA | 16:40 |
| jamemcc | Done or now | 16:40 |
| jamemcc | Done for now | 16:40 |
| VW | cool jamemcc - through some notes in the etherpad and we'll continue working on this | 16:40 |
| VW | #topic general discussion | 16:40 |
| VW | klindgren: continue... :) | 16:41 |
| klindgren | Bascially the tool that we had been using for packagin our source code, we decided to get away from it. Along with wanting to "breakup" having system level packages isntalled on the same servers | 16:41 |
| klindgren | I realize that a number of larger deployment went with overcloud/undercloud modle | 16:42 |
| klindgren | so they dont have a bunch of baremetal nodes with system python packages installed on them | 16:42 |
| klindgren | and run into upgrade issues, because updating one component to the next release | 16:42 |
| klindgren | means having to do them all at the same time on that node | 16:43 |
| klindgren | So we are using kolla/docker to do the containerization and building of containers | 16:43 |
| klindgren | then working on a new deployment stuffs | 16:43 |
| klindgren | using ansible - but not kolla-ansible | 16:43 |
| klindgren | Also worked on templating our cloud configuration into a centralized yaml repo | 16:44 |
| klindgren | and taking our config management data and templatizing it | 16:44 |
| klindgren | to make standing up new clouds easier | 16:44 |
| klindgren | and minimize varriances between our current clouds | 16:44 |
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| klindgren | wondering if anyone else is doing similar work? | 16:45 |
| jamemcc | Speaking more as AT&T now - not as LCOO - We are working pon a new deployment model more Kolla/Kubernetes and Helm Charts to guide it. This is just a Proof of Concept based on earlier theories and PoCs. | 16:45 |
| jamemcc | It will hopefulyl get presented and discussed at the PTG nxt week. | 16:45 |
| belmoreira | I need to leave. I will follow and suggest more things in the etherpad. cheers. | 16:45 |
| VW | thanks, belmoreira | 16:46 |
| klindgren | We thought about doing Kube - but at some point wanted to avoid having a semi complex system | 16:46 |
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| klindgren | to debug ontop of trying to figure out what was broken | 16:46 |
| klindgren | when things go south | 16:46 |
| klindgren | IE I dont need to debug a kube issue, when my production cloud is DOA. | 16:47 |
| jamemcc | I think the user stories behind this are really important to pull out | 16:47 |
| jamemcc | You are getting at them | 16:47 |
| VW | you are ahead of us klindgren. I'd like to start shifting to some containers, but we have several other high priority projects, so for now, I just to settle for cleaning up what we have as a deployment model | 16:49 |
| VW | since my team just inherited it | 16:49 |
| VW | but yes, we are using the "undercloud" model with VMs for most of our control plane nodes | 16:49 |
| VW | except for Glance APIs - big beefy boxes there | 16:50 |
| * VW shakes is fist at Glance APIs having to be in path for image transfer | 16:50 | |
| klindgren | I know lets take all the snapshot data, centralize it to a set of servers, then transfer that to yet another backend | 16:51 |
| VW | so are you converted to Kolla, klindgren | 16:53 |
| klindgren | neg | 16:53 |
| klindgren | we haven't converted anything yet. Just making sure all the containers work and we can start everything in a standalone env | 16:54 |
| klindgren | then working on "taking over" an existing environment | 16:54 |
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| VW | gotcha | 16:55 |
| VW | what's your rough timeline? | 16:56 |
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| VW | well, this was a good meeting - more work to do | 16:58 |
| VW | but now my IRC and other chat stuff is blowing up with a few little fires | 16:58 |
| VW | so I'm going to go ahead and call it | 16:58 |
| VW | don't forget about next month's meeting | 16:59 |
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| VW | 3/17 at 03:00 UTC | 16:59 |
| VW | I'll actually be in your neck of the woods for that, mdorman | 17:00 |
| VW | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 16 17:00:26 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/large_deployments_team/2017/large_deployments_team.2017-02-16-16.02.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/large_deployments_team/2017/large_deployments_team.2017-02-16-16.02.txt | 17:00 |
| jamemcc | Thanks Matt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/large_deployments_team/2017/large_deployments_team.2017-02-16-16.02.log.html | 17:00 |
| VW | not imediate, but same state :P | 17:00 |
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| klindgren | sorry - had something come up, hoping to have things done in a month or less | 17:08 |
| VW | cool - let's stay in touch on that, klindgren | 17:08 |
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| mdorman | VW: that’s cool. skiing? | 17:44 |
| mdorman | sorry everybody for silence during LDT meeting, got some production stuff going on | 17:44 |
| VW | yeah mdorman | 17:44 |
| VW | durango/pagosa springs area | 17:44 |
| VW | not sure if we will be at Purgatory or Wolf Creek or both for the skiiing | 17:45 |
| VW | big family group | 17:45 |
| mdorman | cool, sounds fun | 17:45 |
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