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jamespd | ^^ The last time I gave this talk, I talked about the time all our qemu processes called exit(2) when we switched our ceph bucket types from straw to straw2 before every qemu process had loaded a new version of the shared library. | 04:29 |
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jamespd | "uh... why did nearly every single vm just shut down?" | 04:30 |
jamespd | It went over well because people like to hear about failure, when it doesn't involve them. | 04:30 |
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jamespd | but it was also an interesting lesson about pre-production... we didn't have any long-running VMs to help us figure out that there would be processes running with old librbd libraries in memory. | 04:32 |
jamespd | So, I stick to stories like this... that are funny in retrospect, but also illustrate interesting or complicated failure modes. | 04:33 |
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mihalis68 | I can chair, however I have two new hires in my team starting this morning, so if someone else would like to, that's fine too | 14:00 |
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mihalis68 | ok, I guess there's nobody else who wants to | 14:01 |
mihalis68 | #startmeeting Ops Meetup Team | 14:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue May 30 14:01:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
mihalis68 | Hello everyon | 14:01 |
med_ | conrats on the new hires. | 14:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' | 14:01 |
med_ | \o | 14:01 |
mihalis68 | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 14:01 |
mihalis68 | who's here, I see med_ shintaro, vw | 14:01 |
VW | I'm here | 14:02 |
shintaro | hi | 14:02 |
mihalis68 | as usual if you're joining this meeting please add your name to the agenda | 14:02 |
mihalis68 | here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 14:02 |
mihalis68 | hi shintaro | 14:02 |
mihalis68 | the great hope is that this time works better | 14:02 |
mihalis68 | hi vw | 14:02 |
shintaro | yes! get more sleep | 14:03 |
mihalis68 | #topic review last weeks actions | 14:03 |
med_ | I see the usual suspects so far (but actually made it myself due to no conflict at this time.) | 14:03 |
mihalis68 | ACTION: mihalis68 to add agenda items for next week's meeting for items needing purchase/sponsorship **DONE** | 14:03 |
med_ | mihalis68, My action to update the wiki is completed. | 14:03 |
mihalis68 | ACTION: emagana to check with fifieldt about setting up eventbrite - I think this became an email? | 14:04 |
mihalis68 | great, thanks | 14:04 |
med_ | However, the powers-that-be won't allow us to put this in the "official" git repo for IRC meetings since we are not using #openstack-meeting-# | 14:04 |
mihalis68 | oh, some convention I am not aware of | 14:04 |
mihalis68 | could we do that? | 14:05 |
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mihalis68 | ACTION: emagana to delegate querying the venue about available services (catering, signs, registration, etc) - NOT SURE ABOUT THIS ONE | 14:05 |
mihalis68 | I don't see Edgar yet | 14:05 |
med_ | well, not sure it helps. we moved from -meeting to -operators so we'd have more control over the schedule. I think we are fine here. | 14:05 |
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mihalis68 | it's early in his region (SF?) | 14:05 |
mihalis68 | ok | 14:05 |
mihalis68 | We will have to find out about the main action on Edgar either when he turns up or via email | 14:06 |
mihalis68 | #topic Arrangements for Mexico City Mid-Cycle Meetup | 14:06 |
mihalis68 | In case anyone isn't up-to-date, we have a venue, dates, and a loose band of volunteers to make this happen | 14:06 |
mihalis68 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MEX-ops-meetup | 14:07 |
mihalis68 | planning is taking place via the above linked etherpad | 14:07 |
mihalis68 | I didn | 14:07 |
mihalis68 | I didn't see a response from Tom about the Eventbrite tickets for this event | 14:07 |
emccormick | o/ Good morning. I'm awake now. | 14:07 |
mihalis68 | hi emccormick! | 14:07 |
mihalis68 | we only did actions so far and then I set the topic to mexico city | 14:07 |
mihalis68 | but we don't have anyone from the de facto mexico team on the chat so far | 14:08 |
mihalis68 | how is this time slot working for you, emccormick? So far seems to be better for those on the chat | 14:08 |
shintaro | I think Edgar was doing doodle pole for dates on local meetings. | 14:08 |
mihalis68 | ah I missed that | 14:09 |
emccormick | mihalis68 it's fine. I just have people that talk too much in my 9:30 meeting | 14:09 |
shintaro | I didn't see the result since the time wasn't good for Asia | 14:09 |
mihalis68 | I have found the poll, https://framadate.org/Ag8nSWrLBlq18Uel | 14:10 |
mihalis68 | Wednesday 4pm is the leading choice | 14:10 |
mihalis68 | is that for a regular IRC meeting? | 14:11 |
emccormick | Added hotel blocks to the list of arrangements to be made | 14:11 |
mihalis68 | ah, good point, thanks! | 14:11 |
mihalis68 | what else is missing from the list? | 14:11 |
mihalis68 | ok I just added evening social | 14:11 |
mihalis68 | wvera was reported as looking into possibile venues for that | 14:12 |
mihalis68 | the nyc social was at a bar with ping-pong which seemed like a nice idea, it was fun | 14:12 |
emccormick | He was doing Evening event yeah | 14:12 |
shintaro | yes it was great plce | 14:12 |
shintaro | place | 14:12 |
mihalis68 | ok, it seems like we have a split - those who can make this meeting and those in the ad-hoc mexico city working group | 14:13 |
emccormick | There's an area not far from the venue that is a really nice kinda upscale young neighborhood that has lots of nice cantinas | 14:13 |
mihalis68 | I'll try to see if I can join the latter and find out how it's going, unless someone here is in the loop with that | 14:13 |
VW | we need to figure out what their availability is | 14:13 |
emccormick | I'm sure finding a good place on a weeknight will be no issue | 14:13 |
mihalis68 | I definitely want the people with local knowledge to provide recommendation, since my spanish is rusty-to-non-existent | 14:14 |
mrhillsman | O/ | 14:14 |
mihalis68 | good morning mrhillsman! | 14:14 |
med_ | morning mrhillsman | 14:14 |
mrhillsman | Sorry so late | 14:14 |
mihalis68 | no worries | 14:14 |
mihalis68 | all we did is noted the actions that were done and started trying to work out how the Mexico City planning is going | 14:15 |
mrhillsman | cool | 14:15 |
mihalis68 | we seem to have most of the big TODO items in the agenda, see https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 14:15 |
mihalis68 | maybe you know about the "local meeting" that Edgar set up a poll for, mrhillsman? | 14:16 |
mihalis68 | https://framadate.org/Ag8nSWrLBlq18Uel | 14:16 |
mihalis68 | is that for a regular IRC to get the event all planned out? | 14:16 |
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mrhillsman | I think he mentioned a slack channel | 14:16 |
mrhillsman | But either way, yes, I believe it is a regular meeting | 14:17 |
mihalis68 | It seems like this meeting that that channel are non-overlapping :| | 14:17 |
mihalis68 | *and that channel | 14:17 |
shintaro | if the local meeting is for the venue, why don't we go on with the agenda? | 14:19 |
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mrhillsman | Ok, we should reach out to Edgar | 14:19 |
mihalis68 | yes, agreed. Sorry, was just pulled away for a second | 14:19 |
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mihalis68 | #topic other team business | 14:20 |
emccormick | Do we want to start the session planning etherpad early to give people lots of time to come up with stuff? | 14:20 |
mihalis68 | #action mihalis68 to check with edgar and let this team know how/when mexico city plannig is going | 14:20 |
mihalis68 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MEX-ops-meetup | 14:20 |
mihalis68 | it's there emccormick | 14:20 |
emccormick | ah duh I forgot it'd be the same one ;) | 14:21 |
mihalis68 | it's not very fleshed out yet | 14:21 |
mihalis68 | what other business do we have? | 14:21 |
emccormick | Email the list to start working on it? | 14:21 |
mihalis68 | do you want to do that? | 14:21 |
emccormick | sure | 14:22 |
mihalis68 | #action emccormick to email openstack-operators mailing list with mexico city etherpad link and ask people to help with the work | 14:22 |
mihalis68 | non-mexico-city business now : is it too soon to crack open the idea of 2018 meetups? | 14:23 |
emccormick | I'll just add a header for Session Proposals at the bottom and add a sample one. Hopefully with almost 3 months we'll get lots of good stuff. | 14:23 |
mihalis68 | +1 | 14:23 |
shintaro | +1 | 14:23 |
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emccormick | well we can crack open the region discussion at least | 14:23 |
mihalis68 | it's not quite that much time, but still it's plenty | 14:23 |
emccormick | are we doing APAC in the spring? | 14:23 |
shintaro | +1 :) | 14:24 |
VW | it would seem that is the best candidate | 14:24 |
mihalis68 | +1 | 14:24 |
emccormick | I'm not sure I can sell 2 trips to the other side of the planet in 3 months, but it's only fair we go there ;) | 14:24 |
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mihalis68 | milan then mexico city then somewhere in APAC seems to satisfy the geographic rotation goal very well IMO | 14:24 |
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emccormick | So then this would be Shintaro's chance to dust off the NTT proposal if it's still available | 14:24 |
mihalis68 | yes! | 14:25 |
shintaro | yes, I need to get the budget again, thought | 14:25 |
med_ | +1 | 14:25 |
emccormick | Tokyo in spring sounds nice. When do the cherry blossoms bloom? :D | 14:25 |
mihalis68 | talking of far-flung travel, I noticed Sydney is 1-day shorter this year (the summit). I may not go. | 14:25 |
med_ | so Japan... | 14:25 |
shintaro | cherry blossoms are good in early April | 14:26 |
emccormick | guess that's kinda late for us. Bah | 14:26 |
mihalis68 | I think all we need to do is express encouragement for an APAC host at this stage and then see who can host | 14:26 |
med_ | yep, I wondered if they made Sydney shorter to allow more time for travel. Seemed kind of odd. | 14:26 |
mihalis68 | Vancouver is back to 2 keynote days. I will make every effort to get to that | 14:26 |
emccormick | It may just be they couldn't get the venue longer. It is kinda lame | 14:26 |
shintaro | yes, I would like to see more APAC proposal | 14:26 |
emccormick | I'm just going to use the time to go to NZ | 14:27 |
mihalis68 | but Syndney is just so darned far for a 3 day summit | 14:27 |
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mihalis68 | I would be happy to raise the flag for APAC | 14:27 |
emccormick | raise it up | 14:27 |
VW | indeed - but the flip side may be how many APAC folks can't usually head to North America or Europe | 14:27 |
VW | it's still likely to be pretty heavily attended | 14:27 |
mrhillsman | We can ping Huawei and some of the new Gold members for proposals for APAC | 14:27 |
mihalis68 | shall I email the list? | 14:27 |
shintaro | +1 | 14:28 |
emccormick | +1 | 14:28 |
mihalis68 | obviously? I have no in-APAC region bias | 14:28 |
mihalis68 | ok cool | 14:28 |
mrhillsman | I think we will get quiet a few hopefully or at a minimum quite a few sponsors | 14:28 |
emccormick | Find us a Korean. I haven't been there yet ;) | 14:28 |
mihalis68 | what time-slot guidance shall I give? | 14:28 |
mihalis68 | is it Q2? | 14:28 |
emccormick | Late Feb - Early March? | 14:28 |
shintaro | I can check with SK-telecom | 14:28 |
shintaro | a telco in Korea | 14:28 |
mihalis68 | I honestly forget if we have a definition of time slots, beyond early in the year and later in the year | 14:29 |
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med_ | mid-ish between summits is best I know | 14:29 |
emccormick | Summits are First week of November and likely first week of May | 14:29 |
mrhillsman | There is an APAC region tour happening in July for the foundation as well I can harass fifieldt to check with some folks | 14:29 |
mihalis68 | #action mihalis68 to email the list to suggest APAC for meetup #1 2018 | 14:29 |
emccormick | So February sometime I guess is best | 14:29 |
mihalis68 | #action shintaro to check his contacts in APAC to elicit possible hosts | 14:30 |
shintaro | ok | 14:30 |
mrhillsman | Also have we considered collocating US with PTG? | 14:30 |
mihalis68 | I will find the mid-point between sydney and vancouver and include that as a rough guideline for the dates | 14:30 |
emccormick | oo Vancouver is late may | 14:30 |
emccormick | May 21-24 | 14:30 |
emccormick | so we can slip into early March for the meetup for sure | 14:31 |
mihalis68 | mrhillsman which US? We don't have a US event for the foreseeable future, or am I confused? | 14:31 |
med_ | ack | 14:31 |
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mrhillsman | Or any other ways to reduce costs | 14:31 |
med_ | we have mentioend Ops-Meetup in conjucntion with PTG | 14:31 |
med_ | hasn't happened yet. | 14:31 |
med_ | recall taht the NYC Meetup was in conjunction with OSEast | 14:32 |
mihalis68 | are you thinking ahead to meetup #2 in 2018? | 14:32 |
med_ | OS Days East | 14:32 |
emccormick | That's going to be in DC this fall | 14:32 |
mrhillsman | Yes and just a blanket statement/question | 14:32 |
emccormick | 2 weeks after we are in MEX I think | 14:32 |
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med_ | sounds right. | 14:32 |
med_ | and PTG is in Denver. No idea on the location for the one after that. | 14:33 |
* med_ wasn't sure if US was United States or "us, we, ops-meetup" | 14:33 | |
mrhillsman | States | 14:33 |
emccormick | We can discuss it for next fall since that's the next time we'd be back to NA | 14:33 |
mihalis68 | yeah, seems too far out for my small brain to include | 14:34 |
med_ | ack | 14:34 |
mrhillsman | Western Hemisphere rather :) | 14:34 |
emccormick | I worry that we would be distracting to them. Maybe it's a topic for the Forum | 14:34 |
mihalis68 | mrhillsman you fancy South America? :) | 14:34 |
mrhillsman | Indeed:) | 14:34 |
mihalis68 | I've never been | 14:34 |
mrhillsman | Well we would not be in the same rooms | 14:34 |
emccormick | I"m all for Argentina so I can eat steak all week | 14:34 |
emccormick | haha | 14:34 |
mihalis68 | it does seem that Milan raised the bar on catering, from the photos | 14:35 |
emccormick | I know, but the temptation to go butt into session might be too tempting for some ops | 14:35 |
med_ | truth be known, looks like all further OpenStack travel for moi will be self-funded so I'll be picky about traveling on my own dime (and not so picky about traveling on others.) | 14:35 |
med_ | PTG welcomed ops in ATL. | 14:35 |
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emccormick | ok | 14:35 |
emccormick | So long as they're OK with it, I have no issue | 14:36 |
mihalis68 | Ok so that's interesting. PTG's documentation seemed, frankly, offputting to me considering attending as an operator | 14:36 |
med_ | but primarily in a non-distracting non-overtaking way | 14:36 |
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emccormick | We, as a group, can be a pushy bunch | 14:36 |
med_ | "Anyone who self-identifies as a member in a specific given project team | 14:37 |
med_ | Operators that are specialists on a given project (and are willing to spend their time giving feedback on their use case and contributing their usage experience to the team)" | 14:37 |
mihalis68 | anyone who made openstack run must be somehwat pushy :) | 14:37 |
med_ | that quote si from /os.org/ptg | 14:37 |
emccormick | Let's plan to maybe get some PTG organizers / PTL in this group's meeting at next forum and discuss it | 14:37 |
emccormick | we have over a year to figure it out | 14:37 |
mihalis68 | yeah, I read that many times. I am not a member of the nova team or the keystone team or... neither am I specialist in any one of those in particular | 14:37 |
* med_ sat in the openstackclient and nova team meetings. | 14:37 | |
mrhillsman | "Reduce costs" | 14:38 |
mrhillsman | Not go to PTG ;) | 14:38 |
med_ | poke me off line if you have questions about participating in PTG. Happy to give more clarity. | 14:38 |
mrhillsman | Just something to keep in mind | 14:38 |
VW | remember that the Ops meetups are largely designed to pull in new Operators and get them engaged in the community | 14:39 |
mihalis68 | yes I should, we had a somewhat unpleasant disagreement internal to bloomberg about it | 14:39 |
mihalis68 | thanks med! | 14:39 |
VW | if we schedule in/aroun the PTG, I would think that is more to allow for key devs to join us than the other way around | 14:39 |
med_ | +1 | 14:39 |
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med_ | trying to get more travel bang for the buck may not prove to be doable. I think that was the nature of the proposal. | 14:40 |
mihalis68 | is there any other business for todays meeting? To summarise, the mexico city local team is not on this channel right now but seems to have a regularl time and/or slack channel | 14:41 |
mihalis68 | meanwhile we've proposed and agreed to target APAC for meetup #1 2018 | 14:41 |
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med_ | <crickets> no topics on my end | 14:42 |
mrhillsman | Nothing from me kind sir | 14:42 |
mihalis68 | a good meeting chair gives everyone their time back as soon as pressing business is done | 14:42 |
VW | I'm good | 14:42 |
mihalis68 | so unless there's anything I shall close it | 14:42 |
shintaro | none from me | 14:42 |
VW | and actually have to run to a meeting ehre | 14:42 |
mihalis68 | thanks everyone | 14:42 |
mihalis68 | #endmeeting | 14:42 |
VW | thank you, mihalis68 | 14:42 |
openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 30 14:42:42 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:42 |
shintaro | thanks | 14:42 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-05-30-14.01.html | 14:42 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-05-30-14.01.txt | 14:42 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-05-30-14.01.log.html | 14:42 |
mihalis68 | welcome all | 14:42 |
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emccormick | Thanks guys. Have a good week! | 14:43 |
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med_ | thanks mihalis68 et al | 14:43 |
med_ | good luck with the newbies. | 14:43 |
mihalis68 | thanks! | 14:43 |
mrhillsman | Thanks mihalis68 ! l8r everyone | 14:44 |
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emagana | ping! Did the meeting happened? | 14:51 |
yankcrime | emagana yup: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-05-30-14.01.log.html | 14:54 |
emagana | Thanks yankcrime It seems I missed it | 14:55 |
mihalis68 | hi edgar | 14:56 |
mihalis68 | how is the mexico city planning going? | 14:56 |
mihalis68 | I know you emailed about a poll for a regular time and possibly about a slack channel | 14:56 |
emccormick | Hey Edgar | 14:57 |
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med_ | emagana, the meeting was an hour earlier per last weeks poll. It will continue at the UTC 14:00 going forward. Sorry for any confusion. | 15:43 |
emagana | med_: no need to be sorry, I knew it was earlier but I was hoping to catch the last part of the meeting.. I will provide my updates on the ML | 15:43 |
med_ | thanks. | 15:44 |
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