Tuesday, 2017-05-30

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jamespd^^ The last time I gave this talk, I talked about the time all our qemu processes called exit(2) when we switched our ceph bucket types from straw to straw2 before every qemu process had loaded a new version of the shared library.04:29
jamespd"uh... why did nearly every single vm just shut down?"04:30
jamespdIt went over well because people like to hear about failure, when it doesn't involve them.04:30
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jamespdbut it was also an interesting lesson about pre-production... we didn't have any long-running VMs to help us figure out that there would be processes running with old librbd libraries in memory.04:32
jamespdSo, I stick to stories like this... that are funny in retrospect, but also illustrate interesting or complicated failure modes.04:33
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mihalis68I can chair, however I have two new hires in my team starting this morning, so if someone else would like to, that's fine too14:00
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mihalis68ok, I guess there's nobody else who wants to14:01
mihalis68#startmeeting Ops Meetup Team14:01
openstackMeeting started Tue May 30 14:01:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mihalis68. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:01
mihalis68Hello everyon14:01
med_conrats on the new hires.14:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team'14:01
med_\o14:01
mihalis68https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team14:01
mihalis68who's here, I see med_ shintaro, vw14:01
VWI'm here14:02
shintarohi14:02
mihalis68as usual if you're joining this meeting please add your name to the agenda14:02
mihalis68here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team14:02
mihalis68hi shintaro14:02
mihalis68the great hope is that this time works better14:02
mihalis68hi vw14:02
shintaroyes! get more sleep14:03
mihalis68#topic review last weeks actions14:03
med_I see the usual suspects so far (but actually made it myself due to no conflict at this time.)14:03
mihalis68ACTION: mihalis68 to add agenda items for next week's meeting for items needing purchase/sponsorship   **DONE**14:03
med_mihalis68, My action to update the wiki is completed.14:03
mihalis68ACTION: emagana to check with fifieldt about setting up eventbrite - I think this became an email?14:04
mihalis68great, thanks14:04
med_However, the powers-that-be won't allow us to put this in the "official" git repo for IRC meetings since we are not using #openstack-meeting-#14:04
mihalis68oh, some convention I am not aware of14:04
mihalis68could we do that?14:05
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mihalis68ACTION: emagana to delegate querying the venue about available services (catering, signs, registration, etc) - NOT SURE ABOUT THIS ONE14:05
mihalis68I don't see Edgar yet14:05
med_well, not sure it helps. we moved from -meeting to -operators so we'd have more control over the schedule. I think we are fine here.14:05
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mihalis68it's early in his region (SF?)14:05
mihalis68ok14:05
mihalis68We will have to find out about the main action on Edgar either when he turns up or via email14:06
mihalis68#topic Arrangements for Mexico City Mid-Cycle Meetup14:06
mihalis68In case anyone isn't up-to-date, we have a venue, dates, and a loose band of volunteers to make this happen14:06
mihalis68#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MEX-ops-meetup14:07
mihalis68planning is taking place via the above linked etherpad14:07
mihalis68I didn14:07
mihalis68I didn't see a response from Tom about the Eventbrite tickets for this event14:07
emccormicko/ Good morning. I'm awake now.14:07
mihalis68hi emccormick!14:07
mihalis68we only did actions so far and then I set the topic to mexico city14:07
mihalis68but we don't have anyone from the de facto mexico team on the chat so far14:08
mihalis68how is this time slot working for you, emccormick? So far seems to be better for those on the chat14:08
shintaroI think Edgar was doing doodle pole for dates on local meetings.14:08
mihalis68ah I missed that14:09
emccormickmihalis68 it's fine. I just have people that talk too much in my 9:30 meeting14:09
shintaroI didn't see the result since the time wasn't good for Asia14:09
mihalis68I have found the poll, https://framadate.org/Ag8nSWrLBlq18Uel14:10
mihalis68Wednesday 4pm is the leading choice14:10
mihalis68is that for a regular IRC meeting?14:11
emccormickAdded hotel blocks to the list of arrangements to be made14:11
mihalis68ah, good point, thanks!14:11
mihalis68what else is missing from the list?14:11
mihalis68ok I just added evening social14:11
mihalis68wvera was reported as looking into possibile venues for that14:12
mihalis68the nyc social was at a bar with ping-pong which seemed like a nice idea, it was fun14:12
emccormickHe was doing Evening event yeah14:12
shintaroyes it was great plce14:12
shintaroplace14:12
mihalis68ok, it seems like we have a split - those who can make this meeting and those in the ad-hoc mexico city working group14:13
emccormickThere's an area not far from the venue that is a really nice kinda upscale young neighborhood that has lots of nice cantinas14:13
mihalis68I'll try to see if I can join the latter and find out how it's going, unless someone here is in the loop with that14:13
VWwe need to figure out what their availability is14:13
emccormickI'm sure finding a good place on a weeknight will be no issue14:13
mihalis68I definitely want the people with local knowledge to provide recommendation, since my spanish is rusty-to-non-existent14:14
mrhillsmanO/14:14
mihalis68good morning mrhillsman!14:14
med_morning mrhillsman14:14
mrhillsmanSorry so late14:14
mihalis68no worries14:14
mihalis68all we did is noted the actions that were done and started trying to work out how the Mexico City planning is going14:15
mrhillsmancool14:15
mihalis68we seem to have most of the big TODO items in the agenda, see https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team14:15
mihalis68maybe you know about the "local meeting" that Edgar set up a poll for, mrhillsman?14:16
mihalis68 https://framadate.org/Ag8nSWrLBlq18Uel14:16
mihalis68is that for a regular IRC to get the event all planned out?14:16
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mrhillsmanI think he mentioned a slack channel14:16
mrhillsmanBut either way, yes, I believe it is a regular meeting14:17
mihalis68It seems like this meeting that that channel are non-overlapping :|14:17
mihalis68*and that channel14:17
shintaroif the local meeting is for the venue, why don't we go on with the agenda?14:19
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mrhillsmanOk, we should reach out to Edgar14:19
mihalis68yes, agreed. Sorry, was just pulled away for  a second14:19
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mihalis68#topic other team business14:20
emccormickDo we want to start the session planning etherpad early to give people lots of time to come up with stuff?14:20
mihalis68#action mihalis68 to check with edgar and let this team know how/when mexico city plannig is going14:20
mihalis68#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MEX-ops-meetup14:20
mihalis68it's there emccormick14:20
emccormickah duh I forgot it'd be the same one ;)14:21
mihalis68it's not very fleshed out yet14:21
mihalis68what other business do we have?14:21
emccormickEmail the list to start working on it?14:21
mihalis68do you want to do that?14:21
emccormicksure14:22
mihalis68#action emccormick to email openstack-operators mailing list with mexico city etherpad link and ask people to help with the work14:22
mihalis68non-mexico-city business now : is it too soon to crack open the idea of 2018 meetups?14:23
emccormickI'll just add a header for Session Proposals at the bottom and add a sample one. Hopefully with almost 3 months we'll get lots of good stuff.14:23
mihalis68+114:23
shintaro+114:23
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emccormickwell we can crack open the region discussion at least14:23
mihalis68it's not quite that much time, but still it's plenty14:23
emccormickare we doing APAC in the spring?14:23
shintaro+1 :)14:24
VWit would seem that is the best candidate14:24
mihalis68+114:24
emccormickI'm not sure I can sell 2 trips to the other side of the planet in 3 months, but it's only fair we go there ;)14:24
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mihalis68milan then mexico city then somewhere in APAC seems to satisfy the geographic rotation goal very well IMO14:24
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emccormickSo then this would be Shintaro's chance to dust off the NTT proposal if it's still available14:24
mihalis68yes!14:25
shintaroyes, I need to get the budget again, thought14:25
med_+114:25
emccormickTokyo in spring sounds nice. When do the cherry blossoms bloom? :D14:25
mihalis68talking of far-flung travel, I noticed Sydney is 1-day shorter this year (the summit). I may not go.14:25
med_so Japan...14:25
shintarocherry blossoms are good in early April14:26
emccormickguess that's kinda late for us. Bah14:26
mihalis68I think all we need to do is express encouragement for an APAC host at this stage and then see who can host14:26
med_yep, I wondered if they made Sydney shorter to allow more time for travel. Seemed kind of odd.14:26
mihalis68Vancouver is back to 2 keynote days. I will make every effort to get to that14:26
emccormickIt may just be they couldn't get the venue longer. It is kinda lame14:26
shintaroyes, I would like to see more APAC proposal14:26
emccormickI'm just going to use the time to go to NZ14:27
mihalis68but Syndney is just so darned far for a 3 day summit14:27
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mihalis68I would be happy to raise the flag for APAC14:27
emccormickraise it up14:27
VWindeed - but the flip side may be how many APAC folks can't usually head to North America or Europe14:27
VWit's still likely to be pretty heavily attended14:27
mrhillsmanWe can ping Huawei and some of the new Gold members for proposals for APAC14:27
mihalis68shall I email the list?14:27
shintaro+114:28
emccormick+114:28
mihalis68obviously? I have no in-APAC region bias14:28
mihalis68ok cool14:28
mrhillsmanI think we will get quiet a few hopefully or at a minimum quite a few sponsors14:28
emccormickFind us a Korean. I haven't been there yet ;)14:28
mihalis68what time-slot guidance shall I give?14:28
mihalis68is it Q2?14:28
emccormickLate Feb - Early March?14:28
shintaroI can check with SK-telecom14:28
shintaroa telco in Korea14:28
mihalis68I honestly forget if we have a definition of time slots, beyond early in the year and later in the year14:29
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med_mid-ish between summits is best I know14:29
emccormickSummits are First week of November and likely first week of May14:29
mrhillsmanThere is an APAC region tour happening in July for the foundation as well I can harass fifieldt to check with some folks14:29
mihalis68#action mihalis68 to email the list to suggest APAC for meetup #1 201814:29
emccormickSo February sometime I guess is best14:29
mihalis68#action shintaro to check his contacts in APAC to elicit possible hosts14:30
shintarook14:30
mrhillsmanAlso have we considered collocating US with PTG?14:30
mihalis68I will find the mid-point between sydney and vancouver and include that as a rough guideline for the dates14:30
emccormickoo Vancouver is late may14:30
emccormickMay 21-2414:30
emccormickso we can slip into early March for the meetup for sure14:31
mihalis68mrhillsman which US? We don't have a US event for the foreseeable future, or am I confused?14:31
med_ack14:31
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mrhillsmanOr any other ways to reduce costs14:31
med_we have mentioend Ops-Meetup in conjucntion with PTG14:31
med_hasn't happened yet.14:31
med_recall taht the NYC Meetup was in conjunction with OSEast14:32
mihalis68are you thinking ahead to meetup #2 in 2018?14:32
med_OS Days East14:32
emccormickThat's going to be in DC this fall14:32
mrhillsmanYes and just a blanket statement/question14:32
emccormick2 weeks after we are in MEX I think14:32
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med_sounds right.14:32
med_and PTG is in Denver. No idea on the location for the one after that.14:33
* med_ wasn't sure if US was United States or "us, we, ops-meetup"14:33
mrhillsmanStates14:33
emccormickWe can discuss it for next fall since that's the next time we'd be back to NA14:33
mihalis68yeah, seems too far out for my small brain to include14:34
med_ack14:34
mrhillsmanWestern Hemisphere rather :)14:34
emccormickI worry that we would be distracting to them. Maybe it's a topic for the Forum14:34
mihalis68mrhillsman you fancy South America? :)14:34
mrhillsmanIndeed:)14:34
mihalis68I've never been14:34
mrhillsmanWell we would not be in the same rooms14:34
emccormickI"m all for Argentina so I can eat steak all week14:34
emccormickhaha14:34
mihalis68it does seem that Milan raised the bar on catering, from the photos14:35
emccormickI know, but the temptation to go butt into session might be too tempting for some ops14:35
med_truth be known, looks like all further OpenStack travel for moi will be self-funded so I'll be picky about traveling on my own dime (and not so picky about traveling on others.)14:35
med_PTG welcomed ops in ATL.14:35
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emccormickok14:35
emccormickSo long as they're OK with it, I have no issue14:36
mihalis68Ok so that's interesting. PTG's documentation seemed, frankly, offputting to me considering attending as an operator14:36
med_but primarily in a non-distracting non-overtaking way14:36
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emccormickWe, as a group, can be a pushy bunch14:36
med_"Anyone who self-identifies as a member in a specific given project team14:37
med_Operators that are specialists on a given project (and are willing to spend their time giving feedback on their use case and contributing their usage experience to the team)"14:37
mihalis68anyone who made openstack run must be somehwat pushy :)14:37
med_that quote si from /os.org/ptg14:37
emccormickLet's plan to maybe get some PTG organizers / PTL in this group's meeting at next forum and discuss it14:37
emccormickwe have over a year to figure it out14:37
mihalis68yeah, I read that many times. I am not a member of the nova team or the keystone team or... neither am I specialist in any one of those in particular14:37
* med_ sat in the openstackclient and nova team meetings.14:37
mrhillsman"Reduce costs"14:38
mrhillsmanNot go to PTG ;)14:38
med_poke me off line if you have questions about participating in PTG. Happy to give more clarity.14:38
mrhillsmanJust something to keep in mind14:38
VWremember that the Ops meetups are largely designed to pull in new Operators and get them engaged in the community14:39
mihalis68yes I should, we had a somewhat unpleasant disagreement internal to bloomberg about it14:39
mihalis68thanks med!14:39
VWif we schedule in/aroun the PTG, I would think that is more to allow for key devs to join us than the other way around14:39
med_+114:39
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med_trying to get more travel bang for the buck may not prove to be doable. I think that was the nature of the proposal.14:40
mihalis68is there any other business for todays meeting? To summarise, the mexico city local team is not on this channel right now but seems to have a regularl time and/or slack channel14:41
mihalis68meanwhile we've proposed and agreed to target APAC for meetup #1 201814:41
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med_<crickets> no topics on my end14:42
mrhillsmanNothing from me kind sir14:42
mihalis68a good meeting chair gives everyone their time back as soon as pressing business is done14:42
VWI'm good14:42
mihalis68so unless there's anything I shall close it14:42
shintaronone from me14:42
VWand actually have to run to a meeting ehre14:42
mihalis68thanks everyone14:42
mihalis68#endmeeting14:42
VWthank you, mihalis6814:42
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shintarothanks14:42
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-05-30-14.01.html14:42
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-05-30-14.01.txt14:42
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-05-30-14.01.log.html14:42
mihalis68welcome all14:42
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emccormickThanks guys. Have a good week!14:43
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med_thanks mihalis68 et al14:43
med_good luck with the newbies.14:43
mihalis68thanks!14:43
mrhillsmanThanks mihalis68 ! l8r everyone14:44
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emagana ping! Did the meeting happened?14:51
yankcrimeemagana yup: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-05-30-14.01.log.html14:54
emaganaThanks yankcrime It seems I missed it14:55
mihalis68hi edgar14:56
mihalis68how is the mexico city planning going?14:56
mihalis68I know you emailed about a poll for a regular time and possibly about a slack channel14:56
emccormickHey Edgar14:57
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med_emagana, the meeting was an hour earlier per last weeks poll. It will continue at the UTC 14:00 going forward. Sorry for any confusion.15:43
emaganamed_: no need to be sorry, I knew it was earlier but I was hoping to catch the last part of the meeting.. I will provide my updates on the ML15:43
med_thanks.15:44
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