Tuesday, 2017-06-13

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zioprotoI upgraded from openstackclient 3.9.0 to 3.11.0 and now the output is much more verbose by default. Something changed ? I dont want all that json dump in my output. Anybody had this problem ?07:09
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mihalis68hello everyone13:59
mnaserhas anyone tweaked report_interval in nova or has any experience to share about that?14:00
mihalis68it's just about time for the ops meet up team meeting14:00
mihalis68anyone here for that?14:00
shintarohi, but I wont be able to stay today.14:01
shintaroI did my action. and updated etherpad for 201814:01
* smcginnis is here to passively attend14:02
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mihalis68#startmeeting Ops Meetup Team14:02
openstackMeeting started Tue Jun 13 14:02:22 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mihalis68. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:02
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team'14:02
mihalis68Hi Shintaro14:02
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mihalis68noting you did your action, thanks!14:02
shintaroI'll be read only: (14:02
mihalis68I didn't do mine, which was to follow-up on ops participation in PTG14:02
mihalis68ok no problem14:03
mihalis68#link  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team14:03
mihalis68I have included all last weeks actions14:03
mihalis68#topic review last week's actions14:03
mihalis68shintaro completed his action14:03
mihalis68mihalis68 : no progress14:04
mihalis68any other comments on last weeks actions?14:04
mihalis68ok, guess not14:04
mihalis68#topic mexico meetup august 201714:04
mihalis68The big news is that the EventBrite has been created and is up for comment before being widely communicated14:05
mihalis68#link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/mexico-city-openstack-operators-meetup-tickets-3498905219714:05
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mihalis68Please everyone helping out with this event or planning to attend check out the eventbrite and provide feedback14:05
mihalis68one question I have, although perhaps nobody is here who can answer: have the hours for DCC been resolved?14:06
mihalis68I recall a snag in that the venue normally opens at 11am. The EventBrite claims 9am14:06
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smcginnismihalis68: If they can't open earlier, can the event just go later in the day?14:07
smcginnisOr does that just get too late then?14:07
mihalis68normal there is an attempt to have a social afterwards14:07
mihalis68I think starting at 11 would crimp either the sessions or the social14:08
mihalis68and in any case the evenbrite and the actual venue opening hours must be aligned14:08
mihalis68I wouldn't want 100+ operators waiting outside a venue in mexico city in august!14:08
mihalis68It seems we are way below quorum this week.14:09
mihalis68I will leave it a few more minutes, but if we don't get some level of attendance we should can this meeting and try again next week14:09
mihalis68we have one passive attendee and one read-only attendee, and me... :|14:09
shintarosorry14:10
mihalis68If we do that, I think I should try to communicate with the mexico city team and provide and update to the list on how it is going. It is possible that this meeting time is particularly bad for them14:10
mihalis68#action mihalis68 to get a status update and share with openstack-operators list14:11
smcginnisIt would be good to get more input from that team.14:11
mihalis68(just trying to keep things moving)14:11
mihalis68I think they have a slack channel14:11
smcginnisSlackers :)14:11
mihalis68#topic apac meetup 201814:11
mihalis68shintaro has updated the ether pad for this event14:11
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mihalis68no other decisions, however there is excitement building about a telecom track, see email thread with Curtis Collicutt and Shintaro14:12
mihalis68hello wvera14:12
mihalis68how is the planning for mexico city meet up going?14:12
mihalis68maybe William didn't really join14:14
mihalis68to finish off the thought, forward planning for the APAC meet up is happening on the mailing list, please join in if you're interested in that event14:15
mihalis68#topic mexico city part 214:15
mihalis68I will try to get an update from the mexico city team. On a personal note I have concerns that we are mid-way through June and haven't arranged anything beyond the venue14:15
mihalis68any other comments on either event?14:15
shintarowe need more input on the agenda building14:16
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mihalis68Eric was due to try and drum up more activity there (emccormick)14:17
mihalis68but he's not here today it seems14:17
VWmihalis68: I'm lurking14:17
mihalis68anything to say on mexico or apac meetups vw?14:17
VWsorry I've been in and out - my schedule keeps getting messed with14:17
mihalis68also Hi!14:17
VWso, we are looking at apac then for sure in Feb/Mar?14:18
mihalis68for mexico the big news is the eventbrite is up (link above or see operators mailing list)14:18
mihalis68APAC as a goal was agreed here14:18
VWsaw that - awesome14:18
mihalis68shintaro is working on a proposal for Tokyo14:18
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VWand was here when we started discussing apac, but missed last week, so good to hear we have moved forward14:18
mihalis68and is discussing a telecom track for that event to try to attract the big telcos to the event, as openstack and telco together is big in the region14:18
mihalis68yep14:19
mihalis68mexico may be progressing, but kind of under the radar14:19
VWyeah - it is pretty low key14:19
mihalis68the trouble is we are effectively asking people to make travel plans for an event that is barely defined so far14:19
mihalis68it is already that time for some people if they are going to make it14:20
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mihalis68I had questions last week about what is the real start time from people trying to work out their travel plans14:20
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smcginnisre: APAC, I've gotten a conversation going in Huawei to see if they are willing/able to propose an alternate hosting location if shintaro's doesn't work out.14:21
mihalis68Oh I wonder if we were already supposed to alternate meeting time? I can't recall did we firmly agree that plan?14:22
mihalis68if we get multiple proposals for APAC they can all go on the same venue choice ether pad and then the community can vote in a doodle poll, like was done for August 2016, so we have a procedure for that14:22
mihalis68#action mihalis68 to review previous meetings to see if we did agree to rotate the times. if we did it slipped my mind ( i have further staffing difficulties in my team, we're having a torrid time)14:23
mihalis68if we were supposed to rotate I'll update the list14:23
mihalis68ok. Think we are not going to get any more business done without anyone here who knows about the mexico planning.14:24
mihalis68Shall we call the meeting done?14:24
shintaroI remember 1400utc is the new time14:24
mihalis68there was an additional proposal to do "good for US" and then "good for APAC" times every other week14:25
mihalis68we discussed it at boston and David Medberry did a poll14:25
mihalis68I just do not recall if we called that a done deal14:25
shintaroah ok14:25
mihalis68sorry I forgot to consider that point this week14:25
shintaroI'm in China this week but usually good with this slot14:27
mihalis68Ok final call for business this week. I will clarify meeting time policy to the list based on reviewing what if anything was agreed14:27
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mihalis68hey!14:27
mihalis68how is it going emagana?14:27
emaganaHello! Is the meeting still going on14:27
emaganagood mihalis6814:27
VWI'd be down with the alternating meeting times14:27
emaganajust got to my office, its early for me  ;-)14:28
mihalis68emagana could you possibly update us on any progress for the mexico meet up?14:28
mihalis68I mentioned here that the eventbrite is up for review14:28
emaganaYes, for sure.14:28
mihalis68I was wondering if venue opening time has been clarified?14:28
mihalis689am on the eventbrite but someone said venue opens at 11am14:28
emaganaWe are still working on that. The earlier could be 10am14:29
emaganabut not 9am for sure14:29
emaganaThe eventbrite needs to be update it14:30
emaganaI will work with Tom on that14:30
mihalis68#action emegana to request eventbrite update to achievable opening time for venue14:30
emaganaThe local team is also working on the sponsor requests14:30
mihalis68do you have vendors for the invidivual items? food, badges, signage, registration desk?14:31
emagana#link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rghbRlW-A8J3Git9LmLCCtn56bqSb_5DGOrf7dmSPC8/edit?usp=sharing14:31
emaganamihalis68: no yet!14:31
emagananow that we have the estimates, we will work on the hunt for vendors14:32
mihalis68If I might make a suggestion, I think event times are highest priority as people need to make travel plans ASAP14:32
mihalis68I had questions via email on this last week14:32
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emaganaabsolutely, hopefully we will have the eventbrite fix today14:32
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mihalis68if the venue opens early, it is reasonable to try to get breakfast sponsored at the venue14:33
* med_ reads 38 mins. of scrollback14:33
mihalis6810am is probably too late, however14:33
wasmumanyone have time to talk lbaas with haproxy?14:33
mihalis68hi med_ !14:33
emaganamihalis68: I do not think they can open sooner than 10am14:33
emaganaI know is late14:33
mihalis68I think it is workable14:33
mihalis68I propose we decide not try to have catered breakfast for this event14:34
mihalis68o/14:34
mihalis68reduces catering needs to : lunch, snacks (coffee time)14:34
emaganamihalis68: I agree14:34
mihalis68ok I think there are no objections14:35
emaganapeople will have enough time to have breakfast from their hotels14:35
mihalis68right14:35
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mihalis68is everyone ok with $20 being the price for this event?14:36
mihalis68it is somewhat traditional now (last two events have been there or thereabouts)14:36
med_+114:37
emagana+114:37
mihalis68emagana 10am both days? (just to be sure)14:37
emaganamihalis68: Yes14:37
emaganaso, should we move from 10 to 6pm14:38
emaganainstead of finishing at 5pm?14:38
mihalis68ok when the start time is corrected to 10am, I believe the eventbrite will be fine for wider notofication14:38
mihalis68works for me14:38
mihalis68anyone else?14:38
smcginnis+114:39
shintaro+114:39
mihalis68#agreed mexico city event 10am-6pm both days, ticket price $20 acceptable to all attendees of todays meeting14:40
mihalis68emagana has an action to get the event updated14:40
mihalis68we can then share it with the ops community14:40
med_probably poke Kendall directly and bypass tom.14:40
mihalis68sounds good14:41
med_and cc" tom14:41
mihalis68#agreed not attempting catered breakfast this time due to the venue opening time14:41
mihalis68emagana do you have contact details for Kendall?14:41
med_there are two kendalls, I think you want Kendall waters14:41
* med_ dig up her email14:42
med_kendall@openstack.org14:42
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emaganaThanks, I will use that email address14:42
mihalis68I will try to drum up some more participation in the agenda work #action mihalis68 to pig the list for more mexico city planning participation14:44
emaganaanyone has some vendors contact for sponsorship?14:44
med_Not in Mexico. Mostly been the host (comcast, rackspace, etc) in the past.14:45
mihalis68if you can work up a tariff sheet we can spread awareness on the list. For example:14:45
mihalis68signs : $100014:45
mihalis68badges: $50014:45
mihalis68lunch : $75014:45
mihalis68(made up numbers, just to show how it can be presented)14:45
mihalis68my employer may pick up something once it is presented in that easy to decide form14:46
emaganaok14:46
mihalis68is wvera still researching venues for evening social?14:46
mihalis68that is also an item some vendor can sponsor14:46
med_we (TWC/Charter) picked up the ping pong bar tab (at least the first round) in NYC. Unlikely we will attend or support MX City though.14:46
mihalis68yes and it was much appreciated!14:47
emaganaI will work with the local team on preparing that tariff sheet14:47
mihalis68the complete list is on the agenda and if people think of more please add it14:47
mihalis68also please add your name to the attendees list if you attended this meeting  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team14:47
emaganaI am getting concern with the level of attendance, do we have an estimate on how many people will attend?14:47
mihalis68the mixed purpose of the ping pong bar was a great idea14:48
mihalis68i.e. cater to having some fun in addition to food and drink14:48
mihalis68emagana i think we can now promote this event on a firm footing - one the corrected eventbrite is available it becomes real in peoples mind14:48
emaganasounds good mihalis6814:49
mihalis68I think we will build interest and get an idea of attendance once we get there, hopefully today14:49
mihalis68for example, personally, I will propose attending to my management based on an approved eventbrite14:49
mihalis68any other business?14:50
mihalis68last call14:51
mihalis68#endmeeting14:51
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mihalis68thanks everyone!14:52
shintarobye14:52
med_thanks mihalis68 emagana et all14:52
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shewlessklindgren: glance cache.. is that a feature turned on by default?15:29
klindgrenI think it depends on your distro.  Check if you have a glance-cache.conf file15:31
klindgrenif you do and it has an image_cache_dir, the images should be stored in that dir15:31
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ckonstanskiIs there a way to query nova.conf config options at runtime? (Things like cpu_allocation_ratio, ram_allocation_ratio, etc) Are these available from a CLI or API call?15:36
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emaganamihalis68: ping!15:53
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mihalis68hi16:48
mihalis68I saw your email16:48
mihalis68unfortunate16:48
shewlessklindgren: Darn #image_cache_dir = <None>16:48
emaganamihalis68: everything indicates that we won't be able to change the time  :-(16:52
mihalis68ok16:52
emaganaThis place is part of the government resources and changing the schedule means a lot of human resources changes for them16:52
emaganaI know 11am is very late but I do not think we will have other option..16:53
mihalis68Is there a way to pay to book the venue and get better hours?16:53
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emaganawe are asking for that as we speak16:53
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mihalis68We will not be able to ad-hoc approve such a late change. Certainly even for me personally asking to go to mexico city is a bit of a stretch and if the working day is short I will have a concern about the value16:54
mihalis68what I mean about ad-hoc is I think we would need to somehow get a large section of the community to agree it - similar to the catch-up in Boston16:54
mihalis68just my gut response16:55
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emaganaI do understand and I do have similar feelings17:02
emaganathe other option is to go back to the plan b for location, still Mexico City but the other place17:02
emaganahttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1NdMCOTPP_ZmeF2Ak1mQB1bCOFHDkA5P2l6n6kdb8Kls/edit?usp=sharing17:02
emaganaThe TelmexHub in the above document17:03
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mihalis68I recall the place, but it was not accepting of vendor logos IIRC17:03
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mihalis68I had started wondering about it myself of course17:04
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emaganaIts true, I remember that part17:05
emaganaits even in the document17:05
emaganawell, not sure what else to do here..17:06
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mihalis68me neither17:07
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emaganaI will wait one day to push as much as possible in the time17:09
emaganaif we can't change it, we will update the eventbrite and evaluate how many people will attend anyway17:10
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mihalis68it's not just this event where I have to consider value. OpenStack Summit Sydney 2018 is 3 days instead of 4, and a very long way indeed from NYC17:19
mihalis68I may not go17:19
mihalis68only one keynotes day17:19
mriedemif you're using the compute os-services API to disable/down non-compute services, please read and respond to http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2017-June/013761.html17:20
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emaganamihalis68: wow..17:23
emaganaI did not know that about Sydney17:23
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mihalis68yeah, I haven't seen an explanation17:32
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klindgrenmriedem, re: os-services/disable - I am pretty sure even having the non-compute services disabled - doesn't actually do anything?  IE disabled nova-schedulure still schedules, and disabled nova-conductor still conducts.21:53
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mriedemklindgren: correct, that's the point, and why i plan on only allowing to disable nova-compute services in the new microversion,21:58
mriedemand why i don't worry too much about the fact that in pike you can't disable a non-nova-compute service21:58
mriedemwith the 2.1 microversion21:59
mriedemit's just you used to be able to do that, like in ocata and before21:59
klindgrenkk - just wantedto make sure that I understood that.  Does this also prevent non-nova-compute services from registering themselves in a "disabled" state on first start up as well?21:59
mriedemit didn't do anything, but you could21:59
mriedemno21:59
mriedemklindgren: talking about enable_new_services config right?21:59
klindgrenyea22:00
mriedemthat's still global22:00
klindgrenif it doesn't apply - they should avoid disabling themselves - no?22:00
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mriedemcan you rephrase that?22:01
mriedemdo you mean check that option in the PUT /os-services/{service_id} API?22:01
mriedemenable_new_services is only used when a service starts up and auto-creates itself in the db22:02
mriedemthe db checks enable_new_services22:02
mriedemand sets disabled=True if enable_new_services=False22:02
mriedem*db api code i should say22:02
mriedemthe api should not and would not check enable_new_services22:03
mriedemconfig22:03
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klindgrenSorry - so nova-conductor, nova-cert, nova-(insert another rpc thing here)22:12
klindgrenwhen first started all come up as "disabled"22:12
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klindgreneven though disabled for those services doesn't actually do anything.  If we can't use the services-api to un-disable them.  Mainly for people not use to the system trying to re-enable them thinking its a problem.22:13
klindgrenthen should those services get created in the disabled state to being with?22:14
klindgrenor am I missing the point here in that - now the services dont show up via say a nova service-list?22:15
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