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| emccormick | o/ | 14:03 |
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| shintaro | hi | 14:03 |
| medbrry2 | hi | 14:03 |
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| emccormick | heya | 14:04 |
| mihalis68 | morning | 14:04 |
| shintaro | hi mihalis68 | 14:04 |
| mihalis68 | I didn't make an agenda, we have a big upgrade about to start | 14:04 |
| mihalis68 | just three of us today? | 14:04 |
| * smcginnis sits in the corner and watches | 14:04 | |
| mihalis68 | 4...? | 14:04 |
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| mihalis68 | #startmeeting Ops Meetup Team | 14:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 19 14:05:27 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:05 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' | 14:05 |
| emccormick | 4 looks like | 14:06 |
| mihalis68 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team agenda | 14:06 |
| mihalis68 | eric you're updating the wrong meeting, scroll up | 14:08 |
| emccormick | oops | 14:08 |
| emccormick | :D | 14:08 |
| mihalis68 | sorry | 14:08 |
| mihalis68 | but it IS the 19th, pretty sure | 14:08 |
| mihalis68 | #topic actions | 14:08 |
| emccormick | There we go. | 14:08 |
| mihalis68 | I have one ongoing activity, to launch the Wiki-fied operators guide | 14:08 |
| medbrry2 | #action me to email ops about ptg | 14:08 |
| mihalis68 | I have done a little bit of work on that | 14:08 |
| mihalis68 | Bloomberg had two people at PTG and one of them (David Desrosiers) is helping me with doc issues. We'll try to pull together the TOC page for the guide this week, so this action continues | 14:09 |
| smcginnis | Sounded like the message got across at the PTG that older docs were a necessity. | 14:09 |
| mihalis68 | yeah, quite true | 14:09 |
| mihalis68 | they seem to have agreed to not delete from Mitaka onwards | 14:09 |
| VW | o/ | 14:09 |
| mihalis68 | and also there is a plan for how to make that work | 14:09 |
| mihalis68 | hi VW | 14:09 |
| mihalis68 | they are moving code like parts out of the doc files to a separate place so they can be maintained after the docs are locked for a release | 14:10 |
| mihalis68 | we are upgrading to mitaka soon and then my complaint about vanishing docs will be no more | 14:10 |
| emccormick | awesome | 14:10 |
| mihalis68 | I had another action somewhere to spiff up the team wiki reflecting upcoming events : DONE | 14:10 |
| emccormick | I had one from a couple weeks ago to make the etherpad for SYD session planning and send out to the list. That is here. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SYD-ops-session-ideas | 14:11 |
| emccormick | It's got some things in it, but it's pretty light. Need to send another nag. | 14:11 |
| mihalis68 | another topic that I was interested in in Mexico City was openstack release cadence and the possibility of long-term support releases of openstack (for example, hypothetically, making every other release maintained for longer) | 14:13 |
| mihalis68 | This is an infinitely deep rabbit hole | 14:13 |
| mihalis68 | I had discussions on this with David and eventually just had to grind to a halt | 14:13 |
| mihalis68 | but I will say that a lot of feedback to the devs amounts to "you are insane" | 14:13 |
| mihalis68 | the idea that on day 1 we install a new openstack, run it for 6 months, then install the next one is just not realistic | 14:13 |
| emccormick | Yeah there's a lot of opposition to it | 14:14 |
| smcginnis | On the plus side... | 14:14 |
| emccormick | but me wants it. | 14:14 |
| medbrry2 | driving but will comment on lts hen i park | 14:14 |
| smcginnis | I think my whining about vendors needing to support LTS is getting a little bit of traction. | 14:14 |
| mihalis68 | go ahead smcginnis | 14:14 |
| smcginnis | Red Hat is planning an LTS version. | 14:14 |
| mihalis68 | the developers have valid difficulties in making an LTS happen, but I think they can be solved | 14:14 |
| emccormick | *tingle* | 14:14 |
| smcginnis | And I think Huawei will follow suite if they listen to our recommendations. | 14:15 |
| mihalis68 | for example a lot of openstack depends on python bits and pieces and those don't necessarily have LTS either | 14:15 |
| smcginnis | So if we have two vendors supporting an LTS release (as long as it's the same release) we may get wider buy in. | 14:15 |
| emccormick | will that trickle down to RDO or just RHOS? | 14:15 |
| smcginnis | emccormick: Not really sure at this point. I'm guessing RHOS only. | 14:15 |
| mihalis68 | yes Maria (representing RH) said she has some customers who want an LTS (even whilst emphasizing some still want the maximum velocity - 2 releases per year or more) | 14:15 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 14:16 |
| smcginnis | There's definitely a mix. | 14:16 |
| mihalis68 | David is a Canonical employee assigned to Bloomberg and so he gets it that we need an LTS too | 14:16 |
| smcginnis | NFV users seem to want a feature as soon as it's coded. Other's not so much. | 14:16 |
| mihalis68 | he's talking to Canonical luminaries such as James Page to get the current picture and thinking about this so far | 14:16 |
| medbrry2 | cannical has alway suportd an Lts | 14:16 |
| medbrry2 | tied to their LLTS Ubuntu | 14:16 |
| mihalis68 | they do, med, but the actual openstack official dev community still only has 2/year as always. | 14:17 |
| mihalis68 | maintenance of a release (other than security fixes) stops 6 months and a day | 14:17 |
| smcginnis | I think the key to this will be getting Red Hat, Canonical, SuSE, Huawei, etc. all working towards the same LTS in the open rather than in their own downstream support teams. | 14:17 |
| medbrry2 | But the Stable team has no bandwidth or power to o more | 14:17 |
| mihalis68 | yes, it is clear from the devs that it's resources, not a lack of interest | 14:17 |
| medbrry2 | mihalis68: agreed.Canonical does backport secu to their LTSs | 14:18 |
| mihalis68 | or not only the latter :) | 14:18 |
| medbrry2 | smcginnis: Im not sure how t effectively influence that. | 14:18 |
| medbrry2 | afai n ops oon the tc | 14:18 |
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| smcginnis | Me neither, but I'll keep whining about it in public while I can. ;) | 14:19 |
| emccormick | Someone put this on the etherpad | 14:19 |
| mihalis68 | My view is an openstack released today (hypothetically) shouldn't be installed for production for a while even if I had the deployment capability to keep up. Let it get some mileage first | 14:19 |
| emccormick | we can talk about it at the Forum with a wider group | 14:19 |
| smcginnis | UC has a voice for sure though. | 14:19 |
| mihalis68 | so then it dies 6 months later? I DONT GET IT | 14:19 |
| medbrry2 | no operators on the TC | 14:19 |
| admin0 | mihalis68: it does not die .. you just upgrade it properly | 14:19 |
| mihalis68 | I can't "just upgrade it" | 14:19 |
| emccormick | mihalis68 I"m with you on the letting it bake thing | 14:19 |
| admin0 | and there are people who are still running icehouse becuse it fits all the needs .. | 14:20 |
| smcginnis | I think the topic should definitely be at the forum. The only way we'll get there is to be very vocal to vendors that can make it happen. | 14:20 |
| mihalis68 | if I'm running it in production and it has a bug I need to fix that not just unleash a newer version and possibly break more stuff | 14:20 |
| emccormick | +1 | 14:20 |
| mihalis68 | Unfortunately I cannot make Sydney | 14:20 |
| mihalis68 | so people who will be there will need to push this issue | 14:21 |
| mihalis68 | med is the TC makeup deficient, not having operators? | 14:22 |
| mihalis68 | obviously asking for an opinion | 14:22 |
| mihalis68 | understanding that others may have a diff view | 14:22 |
| mihalis68 | or anyone else? | 14:23 |
| emccormick | ok it's on the etherpad | 14:23 |
| medbrry2 | nsorry driving gain | 14:23 |
| smcginnis | mihalis68: It's an interesting question. | 14:23 |
| medbrry2 | not sure about what it should have | 14:23 |
| smcginnis | Current policy is TC needs to be ATC. | 14:23 |
| medbrry2 | ill think about it | 14:23 |
| mihalis68 | I think that openstack proudly mentions maturity and stability, right> | 14:23 |
| smcginnis | And there are some ops that actually do qualify. | 14:23 |
| mihalis68 | I think that openstack proudly mentions maturity and stability, right? | 14:23 |
| medbrry2 | you cn be ops and atc. i am | 14:24 |
| smcginnis | But rules would need to be tweaked to open it up to wider ops representation. | 14:24 |
| mihalis68 | isn't there a cost to that that isn't being paid? | 14:24 |
| smcginnis | medbrry2: I'll vote for you. ;) | 14:24 |
| medbrry2 | restate please mih | 14:24 |
| emccormick | me 2! | 14:24 |
| mihalis68 | "it's very stable" | 14:25 |
| mihalis68 | "great can I run it for a year" | 14:25 |
| mihalis68 | "sorry no can has" | 14:25 |
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| mihalis68 | is Med willing to be considered? | 14:25 |
| medbrry2 | COST TO WHAT mihalis68 | 14:25 |
| mihalis68 | as a software project "matures" it has to devote more resources to supporting long-term usage' | 14:26 |
| medbrry2 | mihalis68: sure | 14:26 |
| medbrry2 | sure to being considered | 14:26 |
| mihalis68 | openstack has run on 2/year and nothing else for, what, 7 years? | 14:26 |
| mihalis68 | I would support med on TC (huge proviso, not familiar with definitions of UC nor TC as I should be) | 14:26 |
| mihalis68 | med on TC, fifield on board | 14:27 |
| mihalis68 | but you didn't hear me say this | 14:27 |
| VW | TC governs how things become a project and the rules they must play by | 14:27 |
| smcginnis | Some reference: https://governance.openstack.org/ | 14:28 |
| mihalis68 | so is release cadence strictly an OS board issue? | 14:28 |
| VW | UC looks after Ops/End users in the community, organizes their events and looks to further engage them into the development lifecycle process | 14:28 |
| admin0 | mihalis68: i worked on a production public openstack cloud that went from icehouse to now ocata .. wtih production customers and clients and we love the new releases as it brings up new features | 14:28 |
| admin0 | so i do not see why this cycle needs to be changed or different | 14:28 |
| mihalis68 | we are running openstack liberty and we have an engineering hill to climb to get off nova-network before we can go to newer releases than mitaka | 14:29 |
| admin0 | if you are happy with a release, no one forces you to upgrade it .. it can be your LTS | 14:29 |
| mihalis68 | it's not a question of not liking the new releases and new features, we just can't get to them as fast as is assumed by the release cadence | 14:29 |
| mihalis68 | with respect, no | 14:29 |
| mrhillsman | Sorry I'm tardy :) | 14:29 |
| admin0 | “we just can't get to them as fast as is assumed by the release cadence” — lack of resources or manpower ? | 14:30 |
| mihalis68 | admin0 example the devs deleted liberty docs from the docs website because EOL | 14:30 |
| mihalis68 | that's just wrong and is being fixed | 14:30 |
| mihalis68 | liberty is *not* EOL for our vendor | 14:30 |
| medbrry2 | welcome mrhillsman | 14:30 |
| emccormick | hi mrhillsman | 14:30 |
| mihalis68 | it is already established over the past many meetings that there exists an important part of the community that cannot keep up with 2 releases per year | 14:30 |
| mihalis68 | hi mrhillsman | 14:31 |
| admin0 | mihalis68: its an open source project on best effort by the community .. we keep a backup of all repo and docs .. .. yuo can’t blame them for deleting due to lack of resources just because you diddn’t think it was necessary to backup the docs your organization run on ? | 14:31 |
| mihalis68 | by the way, the request is not to stop doing the normal releases, it is to support some of them for longer | 14:31 |
| mihalis68 | you're lacking some context here I think | 14:31 |
| admin0 | i guess i am :) | 14:31 |
| mihalis68 | they deleted the docs because they couldn't maintain them any more. After discussion they agreed that was wrong and they are fixing that | 14:32 |
| admin0 | yes, but that still does not change that if you should have backed up yourself | 14:32 |
| mihalis68 | their previous answer was "you can just build from tag". That is not a good answer, since we tried and reported to them how deficient the result is and how hard it was to do | 14:32 |
| mihalis68 | No, i don't accept that for a minute | 14:33 |
| admin0 | if you are running something on prod and its not “guaranteed/paid” by vendor, then it should be your organization doing the backup | 14:33 |
| mihalis68 | I don't back up openstack.org at all | 14:33 |
| mihalis68 | oh we have a paid vendor | 14:33 |
| * medbrry2 is done driving and reads sb | 14:33 | |
| admin0 | aha ! | 14:33 |
| mihalis68 | but we (us+vendor) discussed. Instead of using openstack documents in some Canonical portal, we want a solution which helps the community. That has been agreed | 14:34 |
| mihalis68 | the idea that we just get a private openstack from canonical is simplistic and misleading | 14:34 |
| mihalis68 | yes sure we do get our apt packages from cloud-archive, but I think the openstack docs should live on openstack.org for the release life of the software it relates to | 14:35 |
| medbrry2 | #action med to read tc bylaws and comme t on ops ml | 14:35 |
| emccormick | And from what was said here earlier, that is now going to happen. | 14:35 |
| emccormick | per discussion at PTG | 14:35 |
| mihalis68 | yep. as I say the context is we have won this debate | 14:35 |
| smcginnis | medbrry2: Next TC election is coming up soon. Just saying... :) | 14:36 |
| mihalis68 | the docs team didn't really even fight it. They deleted them for minor reasons to do with branching and javascript security fixes | 14:36 |
| mihalis68 | o/ med for tc | 14:36 |
| mihalis68 | docs are just one bit though | 14:36 |
| mihalis68 | the larger issue of openstack LTSes continues to swirl around | 14:36 |
| mihalis68 | it seems the vendors need to unite around it | 14:37 |
| mihalis68 | I've typed a lot | 14:37 |
| mihalis68 | is there things we need to discuss re: Sydney and/or tokyo that we didn't touch on yet? | 14:37 |
| mihalis68 | I think for example Tokyo will mark the start of the foundation officially owning and running even planning for a mid-cycle meet up if mrhillsmans brief update last week is true | 14:38 |
| emccormick | Sydney I think we just need to get people putting more sessions in | 14:38 |
| mihalis68 | counting on you to be the benevolent dictator for sydney, erik! | 14:38 |
| mihalis68 | "event planning" not even planning | 14:38 |
| emccormick | jajaja | 14:39 |
| mihalis68 | #agreed emccormick to chivvy along the planning for Sydney ops meetup | 14:40 |
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| emccormick | mrhillsman Anything more to add about upcoming foundation support? | 14:40 |
| mihalis68 | by the way, backing up the docs was not the issue anyway | 14:40 |
| mihalis68 | you can build a set of docs from EOL-LIBERTY tag or whatever it is, but they are broken | 14:40 |
| mihalis68 | they are not clean w.r.t. being all relative links etc | 14:41 |
| mihalis68 | I actually got the code and built it | 14:41 |
| mihalis68 | but probably more than enough about docs for one day | 14:41 |
| shintaro | mrhillsman, if we can get Foundtion support for Tokyo, I like to know who to contact. fifieldt? | 14:41 |
| mihalis68 | it will not be tom | 14:42 |
| mihalis68 | he's moving roles, but I can't say more | 14:42 |
| shintaro | oh ok. | 14:42 |
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| VW | The foundation will plug someone in, I'm sure until an official replacement is found | 14:43 |
| med_ | so stupid parliamentary procedure question: this is the ops meetup planning meeting not the operators take over the world meeting. I'm happy to find out and report on the #o-o mailing list about TC but it takes more than this meeting's support to make that happen. (fyi) | 14:43 |
| mihalis68 | yeah, haven't heard who though | 14:43 |
| mihalis68 | quite right | 14:44 |
| mihalis68 | (if you have the bylaws please forward :) | 14:44 |
| med_ | roger. | 14:44 |
| mihalis68 | I believe the right procedure would be to breach the topic of an operator for the TC | 14:44 |
| mihalis68 | and mention that Med qualifies by being ATC as well | 14:44 |
| mihalis68 | and then perhaps see if anyone else would like to be considered | 14:44 |
| med_ | so smcginnis is TC. | 14:44 |
| mihalis68 | then announce a vote? | 14:44 |
| mrhillsman | Sorry in a dead spot | 14:45 |
| mrhillsman | shintaro I will start a thread | 14:45 |
| shintaro | thanks mrhillsman | 14:45 |
| med_ | mihalis68, probably not going to get an additional vote. Nothing on bylaws other than the tech-committe page. Again, I'll summarize/discuss on ML. | 14:45 |
| mihalis68 | a thread about OS foundation contact for event planning? | 14:45 |
| mrhillsman | yep | 14:46 |
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| mihalis68 | #action med_ to bring up adding an operator to the TC on the operators mailing list | 14:46 |
| mrhillsman | And more specifically structure of the event | 14:46 |
| med_ | my atc quals may have expired, I'll make sure I have commits in on Q to re-qual. | 14:46 |
| mihalis68 | cool | 14:46 |
| mrhillsman | I think opendev is a great example of how we can provide value | 14:46 |
| mrhillsman | Personally, being realistic, ops midcycle needs to feed back into the ecosystem better | 14:47 |
| * med_ missed that event | 14:47 | |
| mihalis68 | another action I had (talking of feedback) is see if the local team has any thoughts about the mexico city event | 14:47 |
| mrhillsman | So I would like to start a thread on this in general | 14:48 |
| mihalis68 | I sent a list of fairly standard Q.s to the slack channel. Gloria says she will respond. Depending on how that goes there might be another superuser article that could be made from that | 14:48 |
| mihalis68 | I think we should somehow send a mid-cycle "digest" back to the community | 14:49 |
| mihalis68 | and make it more prominent than "here is the URL of some ether pads" | 14:49 |
| med_ | +1 on digest | 14:49 |
| med_ | +1 on Superuser. (I think they target very different readers, so both are good) | 14:49 |
| mrhillsman | What i liked about opendev was it being focused | 14:49 |
| mihalis68 | #action mrhillsman volunteered to kick off discussion of feedback from mid-cycles back to wider operators community | 14:50 |
| mrhillsman | I think ops midcycle is too wild west like per se | 14:50 |
| mihalis68 | #action mihalis68 to pull together a sample/proposed digest for next meeting | 14:50 |
| med_ | mrhillsman, folks I talked to (devs) at PTG had no idea OpenDev was truly an OpenStack event. with that name, it wasn't entirely obvious. | 14:50 |
| mrhillsman | So incorporating focus and freedom | 14:50 |
| mihalis68 | I had no idea until this very second | 14:50 |
| mihalis68 | not having been, I can't comprehend what opendev had that we lack at mid-cycles | 14:51 |
| VW | I'm not saying that mid-cycle meetings for Ops couldn't use more structure, but remember the primary focus of them is to get operators engaged in the community at large | 14:51 |
| mrhillsman | That's reasonable assessment, I think that was on purpose | 14:51 |
| mihalis68 | can you provide detail? | 14:51 |
| emccormick | I had no idea it was an openstack event either | 14:52 |
| mihalis68 | ok we are missing something right here | 14:52 |
| VW | so, we don't want to re-engineer them to be sessions that create copious amounts of blueprints, etc | 14:52 |
| emccormick | I just saw a few people start tweeting about it | 14:52 |
| VW | I have to run to an in person meeting. Take care all - see you next week | 14:52 |
| mrhillsman | I'm on my phone, thread I can type more, but pulling out 2-3 things to focus on | 14:52 |
| mihalis68 | bye VW thanks! | 14:52 |
| mrhillsman | I'm not suggesting losing the spirit/mandate | 14:53 |
| mrhillsman | But if we are honest, we have the same discussions | 14:53 |
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| mrhillsman | And we have more than blueprints | 14:53 |
| mrhillsman | I will create thread ;) | 14:54 |
| mihalis68 | just over 5 minutes | 14:54 |
| mihalis68 | last week we discussed the possibility of a NE USA meet up before end of year or possibly early next year | 14:54 |
| mihalis68 | given that not everyone can get to australia or japan | 14:55 |
| smcginnis | Someone told me there was going to be an ops meetup in NY in Oct or Nov. | 14:55 |
| mihalis68 | and openstack days east was cancelled due to lack of interest | 14:55 |
| mihalis68 | anyone know where that came from? or is that my suggestion last week bouncing around and echoing back here? | 14:55 |
| mrhillsman | smcginnis I heard the same but for next year | 14:56 |
| mihalis68 | a meetup in NY in Oct sounds ... surprising? | 14:56 |
| smcginnis | I was surprised. | 14:56 |
| mrhillsman | I heard Bloomberg, Verizon, and someone else involved | 14:56 |
| smcginnis | mrhillsman: Same. Maybe we were both there when the person said it. :D | 14:56 |
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| mihalis68 | heh. Well I haven't seen one of my internal contacts since PTG | 14:57 |
| mihalis68 | juan negron | 14:57 |
| mrhillsman | Possibly :) | 14:57 |
| mihalis68 | he might be able to swing some level of backing for such a thing | 14:57 |
| mihalis68 | he's in our CTO arm, they have discretionary funds | 14:57 |
| med_ | saw juan. Didn't discuss this. | 14:57 |
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| mihalis68 | I just run the team that runs the prod openstack stuffs, but no soft money | 14:58 |
| mrhillsman | I think the guy that said it was from Verizon | 14:58 |
| mihalis68 | ok | 14:58 |
| mihalis68 | 2 minutes | 14:58 |
| mihalis68 | if someone has a lead on that please share | 14:58 |
| mihalis68 | otherwise, any other business? | 14:58 |
| mrhillsman | I don't know his name but his face I do | 14:58 |
| emccormick | any Tokyo needs / updates shintaro? | 14:59 |
| mihalis68 | Ill ask around within Bloomberg | 14:59 |
| shintaro | not for this week. meeting venue people next week | 14:59 |
| mihalis68 | excellent | 14:59 |
| mihalis68 | so let's meet next week same time same place | 15:00 |
| med_ | +1 | 15:00 |
| mihalis68 | but bear in mind mike perez said other similar groups have moved to meeting when there's something to discuss | 15:00 |
| mihalis68 | recognizing a fixed schedule is hard for volunteers to make | 15:00 |
| med_ | +2 | 15:00 |
| mihalis68 | ok. any last comments? | 15:00 |
| mrhillsman | Have a great day! | 15:01 |
| mihalis68 | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 19 15:01:10 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-09-19-14.05.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-09-19-14.05.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-09-19-14.05.log.html | 15:01 |
| shintaro | thanks all | 15:01 |
| mihalis68 | thanks everyone | 15:01 |
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| mihalis68 | my team upgraded a 3.2PB ceph cluster partially to jewel during this meeting | 15:01 |
| emccormick | Oh, and if anyone is of meager funds such as myself and looking for a hotel for Sydney, I have found myself in possession of a 2 BR apartment 0.2 miles from the conference | 15:01 |
| mihalis68 | I wasn't stressed in the least | 15:01 |
| mihalis68 | *cough* | 15:01 |
| emccormick | ooer | 15:02 |
| mihalis68 | monitors done, OSDs under wy | 15:02 |
| emccormick | to Jewel from...Firefly? | 15:02 |
| mihalis68 | hammer->jewel | 15:02 |
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| emccormick | not so bad | 15:02 |
| mihalis68 | indeed | 15:02 |
| mihalis68 | no reason to panic | 15:02 |
| mihalis68 | that doesn't necessarily provide actual peace of mind, however | 15:02 |
| emccormick | remember if you upgrade the clients nothing will be able to attach a new volume until you reboot the instance ;) | 15:02 |
| mihalis68 | it's a pure object store cluster | 15:03 |
| emccormick | (learned the hard way) | 15:03 |
| mihalis68 | not directly serving openstack | 15:03 |
| emccormick | ah that makes it simple | 15:03 |
| mihalis68 | but openstack workloads are starting to use S3 | 15:03 |
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