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| mihalis68 | #startmeeting Ops Meetup Team | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 10 14:01:12 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ops Meetup Team)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' | 14:01 |
| med_ | \o | 14:01 |
| shintaro | hi | 14:01 |
| mihalis68 | #link agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 14:01 |
| med_ | \o | 14:01 |
| mihalis68 | hi there | 14:01 |
| mihalis68 | nice to see you Shintaro, David | 14:01 |
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| mihalis68 | #topic review last week's action items | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review last week's action items (Meeting topic: Ops Meetup Team)" | 14:02 | |
| mihalis68 | I have a bunch so I will whizz through those | 14:02 |
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| mihalis68 | reach out to med_ re: running for TC | 14:02 |
| mihalis68 | done | 14:02 |
| mihalis68 | want to comment med_ | 14:02 |
| mihalis68 | ? | 14:02 |
| med_ | can I comment? | 14:02 |
| med_ | jinx | 14:02 |
| med_ | so, reviewed the bylaws for TC. I will not run for TC but will commit to participating in the weekly IRC meetings for TC which are open. | 14:03 |
| mihalis68 | ah, that still sounds like a good way to get information flowing from there to here and vice versa | 14:03 |
| med_ | yep, I think it's the right approach. | 14:03 |
| mihalis68 | cool | 14:03 |
| mihalis68 | progress! | 14:03 |
| mihalis68 | what is the time slot? | 14:04 |
| med_ | that I don't yet know, I'll update shortly with that info | 14:04 |
| mihalis68 | ok. I was just wondering in case you need a backup to attend that. | 14:04 |
| med_ | they probably choose a timeslot once the elections are complete. Nominations are open until endo fo today then elections. | 14:04 |
| mihalis68 | if it's convenient I might drop in from time to time or when needed | 14:04 |
| med_ | +1 | 14:04 |
| mihalis68 | ok, great | 14:05 |
| mihalis68 | couple more actions for me: update on the Ops Guide transition to the wiki | 14:05 |
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| mihalis68 | my canonical contractor is working on that and has openstack wiki edit privilege,so I've asked him to work directly on that. I was bottlenecking that process | 14:05 |
| mihalis68 | he has worked on the conversion process and should be able to update the initial upload I did with nicer looking versions and then we can declare it open for (manual) maintenance | 14:06 |
| mihalis68 | Possible article for SuperUser: done. I have written it and gotten it copy-edited internally, just awaiting permission from my line management to submit to superuser's editor | 14:06 |
| emccormick | o/ | 14:06 |
| shintaro | my updates are on etherpad. Reached out to Allison and she will help us finding the right person from SUSE. | 14:07 |
| shintaro | Also reached out to Lauren Sell from Foundation. | 14:07 |
| mihalis68 | ok. emc you had an action re: social event etherpad | 14:07 |
| med_ | #info TC meetings, when held, occur on Tuesdays at 20:00 UTC (in about 6 hours) | 14:08 |
| shintaro | Foundation's designer is too busy for Sydney, so need to wait until after the Summit for graphics. | 14:08 |
| mihalis68 | ok, thanks for the info, med_ | 14:08 |
| mihalis68 | the other action that I found was mrhillsman to get us details on what that other conference did so well. OpenDevDay? something like that. I don't see Melvin so we can move on | 14:09 |
| mrhillsman | i'm here | 14:09 |
| mrhillsman | sorry | 14:09 |
| mihalis68 | the notes from last week implied I was to contact Alison Price about SUSE but that was a mistake :) | 14:09 |
| med_ | Allison Randall? | 14:10 |
| emccormick | Ah sorry. I thought I was going to stick that up there closer to the summit. I hadn't made it yet. | 14:10 |
| shintaro | yes, Allison Randall was the right person for SUSE | 14:10 |
| emccormick | Will get it created and let you know the link | 14:10 |
| mihalis68 | I think you said the other conference had a strong theme and that helped, and also partnered up better with other groups, is that right mrhillsman? | 14:10 |
| mihalis68 | Yes, as I say, NOT alison P | 14:10 |
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| mrhillsman | pretty much | 14:10 |
| mrhillsman | so a couple things | 14:11 |
| mihalis68 | so tokyo has both things in mind - themed by virtue of Telecom Track, partnering with ETSI | 14:11 |
| mrhillsman | http://www.opendevconf.com/schedule/ < posted schedule | 14:11 |
| mrhillsman | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenDevTakeaways < takeaways | 14:11 |
| mihalis68 | thanks. Will take a look | 14:11 |
| mrhillsman | http://www.opendevconf.com/videos/ < videos | 14:11 |
| mrhillsman | http://www.opendevconf.com/ < simple website | 14:12 |
| mihalis68 | I think it would be helpful for anyone who can spare some time to review some of that and come up with ideas on what we can do to improve mid-cycles | 14:12 |
| med_ | ^ just went up this week I think, (vids) | 14:12 |
| mihalis68 | thanks mrhillsman | 14:12 |
| mrhillsman | not sure if we want to do those things, but they do not seem difficult to implement | 14:12 |
| mrhillsman | possibly something we could have the foundation assist with | 14:12 |
| shintaro | Tokyo ops meetup agenda discussion etherpad is here #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TYO-ops-meetup-2018 | 14:12 |
| mrhillsman | in terms of the event itself | 14:12 |
| mihalis68 | sure. The aim is not to emulate OpenDevConf, more to improve mid-cycles, given the difficulty we had with the mexico city one | 14:13 |
| mrhillsman | as you can see from the schedule | 14:13 |
| mrhillsman | the sessions were minimal | 14:13 |
| mihalis68 | any more about last week's actions? | 14:13 |
| mrhillsman | i thought i was supposed to provide more detail on my statements around this? | 14:13 |
| mrhillsman | or wait until another meeting? | 14:14 |
| mihalis68 | well sure that's why it was an action. You can carry on providing comments here or you could summarize them all in an email? both? :) | 14:14 |
| mrhillsman | i can email | 14:14 |
| mrhillsman | or both | 14:15 |
| mihalis68 | is your comment about minimal sessions to be understood as a suggestion that we have too many on mid-cycle itineraries? | 14:15 |
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| mrhillsman | my next comment was going to be - not that we have too many necessarily | 14:15 |
| mrhillsman | but it seems like we are moving on from last week stuff? | 14:15 |
| mrhillsman | or is that this week stuff? hehe | 14:16 |
| mihalis68 | if you have more to say just carry on | 14:16 |
| mihalis68 | I only have to move things when the convo stops, not stop it when it's flowing! :) | 14:16 |
| mrhillsman | sure, well, the thing about the sessions as can be seen by the schedule, is they were targeted | 14:16 |
| mrhillsman | so with a theme that would probably be a thing to do | 14:16 |
| mihalis68 | ok. I guess we should consider that for Tokyo | 14:17 |
| mrhillsman | they carried over so it gave more time to really get into some things and probably helped the takeaways session at the end | 14:17 |
| mihalis68 | ok. I need to understand this a lot better. You said you can email? | 14:17 |
| mrhillsman | we discussed tokyo with lauren, shintaro cc'd you, apologies i did not | 14:18 |
| mihalis68 | #action mrhillsman to explain what we can take away from how well opendevconf did - email to list | 14:18 |
| mrhillsman | tokyo is probably too close to really try and make such adjustments | 14:18 |
| mihalis68 | yes I saw the emails, thanks | 14:18 |
| mrhillsman | yeah, i will email | 14:19 |
| mihalis68 | by targeted you mean there's a goal for each? | 14:19 |
| mrhillsman | but if you look at the schedule it will make sense i think | 14:19 |
| mihalis68 | ok. | 14:19 |
| mihalis68 | #topic sydney summit | 14:19 |
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| mihalis68 | the one thing I am working on for Sydney (since I am not attending) is drumming up support for the session on OpenStack LTS releases | 14:20 |
| mihalis68 | the possible article for SuperUser relates to that, as does reaching out to redhat, SUSE etc | 14:20 |
| mihalis68 | something med_ mentioned is the relatively low attendance at Sydney | 14:20 |
| mihalis68 | I wonder if the time is right to crack open the topic of release cadence in general | 14:21 |
| mihalis68 | or if that really is set in stone forever | 14:21 |
| med_ | PTG stated that Sydney is ~2500 folks, down from other Summits | 14:21 |
| med_ | mihalis68, that's definitely a TC and/or higher level discussion (release cadence) | 14:21 |
| mihalis68 | if the community really is growing much slower or shrinking, getting smart about releases seems a way to target the smaller available effort | 14:22 |
| emccormick | Well, there's no reason it can't be discussed | 14:22 |
| med_ | we can influence whenever adn wherever though. | 14:22 |
| mihalis68 | med_ I agree, I just think we can get that discussion on the table | 14:22 |
| med_ | +1 emccormick | 14:22 |
| med_ | yep | 14:22 |
| emccormick | well, stable branch guys have another forum topic on there as well. I have a feeling that and the LTS session will bleed into each other | 14:23 |
| mihalis68 | it's not up to us, totally agree, but then again they push out all these releases and then a lot of the operator community has the attitude "no that doesn't help me, I'm still on <old-release>" | 14:23 |
| emccormick | and likely release schedule will come up as well | 14:23 |
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| mihalis68 | For my employer it's likely that the announcement of LTS releases would strongly encourage us to target those. | 14:25 |
| mihalis68 | right now there's 6 monthly releases, which we can't possibly hit, and that's it | 14:25 |
| mihalis68 | kind of a meet in the middle strategy | 14:25 |
| mihalis68 | going back to med_'s comment I actually imagine release cadence would be a board level issue | 14:26 |
| med_ | nod | 14:26 |
| mihalis68 | but I think TC would have to agree that it's an item to debate? | 14:26 |
| mihalis68 | perhaps I should state my biases more clearly, but with the "bubble" popping aren't us operators more important than ever? | 14:27 |
| mihalis68 | Hmmm, not much response. Time to move on. | 14:28 |
| mihalis68 | any more points re: Sydney? | 14:28 |
| emccormick | I think that's pretty much it for now | 14:29 |
| mihalis68 | #topic tokyo mid-cycle | 14:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "tokyo mid-cycle (Meeting topic: Ops Meetup Team)" | 14:30 | |
| mihalis68 | oh, sorry, med_ will you bring up the issue later today on TC meeting? | 14:30 |
| mihalis68 | or will you join and kind of lurk for a bit? | 14:30 |
| med_ | lurk but I should update, they only meet when there is a topic | 14:31 |
| med_ | less than monthly here lately | 14:31 |
| mihalis68 | the TC only meets < monthly? | 14:31 |
| med_ | I will get involved in the system and lurk but it looks like the primary comms are email, only have actual meetings as needed. | 14:31 |
| med_ | ie, they have a set meeting time but if no topics, they skip it. | 14:31 |
| med_ | is that clear? | 14:32 |
| mihalis68 | I see | 14:32 |
| mihalis68 | thanks for clarifying | 14:32 |
| med_ | I'll drop a note to o-ops email list with further details as I suss them out | 14:32 |
| mihalis68 | Ok. How is Tokyo going, Shintaro? | 14:32 |
| shintaro | we got cost estimate from the event firm. still figuring out how much we need to raise from the sponsors | 14:33 |
| mihalis68 | #action med_ to email operators mailing list with finding on his participation in TC mailing list, meetings | 14:33 |
| shintaro | but it will be for the evening event. | 14:33 |
| mihalis68 | remind me, is the foundation willing to be the conduit for money for this event? | 14:33 |
| shintaro | the place we disussed last week seems nice and trying to find out the price. | 14:34 |
| shintaro | Foundation can help us for sponsorships. but this time, the event firm will do that. | 14:34 |
| mihalis68 | seemed very suitable to me | 14:34 |
| mihalis68 | is NTT using the event firm for both day-time and evening logistics? | 14:35 |
| shintaro | yes. that's right. | 14:35 |
| shintaro | they are professional for that kind of things | 14:36 |
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| mihalis68 | that's going to be a big help if we can provide the community a list of sponsorship opportunities with pre-arranged contacts and payment info | 14:36 |
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| shintaro | yes. will do that once the prices are fixed | 14:36 |
| mihalis68 | generally there have been willing sponsors but getting the money connected with the items is difficult | 14:36 |
| mihalis68 | great! | 14:37 |
| shintaro | wondering how many people will attend the evening event | 14:37 |
| mihalis68 | o/ | 14:37 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 14:37 |
| shintaro | :) | 14:37 |
| mihalis68 | I think we need to start talking about the eventbrite so that people can book (even though it's only $20) | 14:38 |
| mihalis68 | or at least that's the customary price for several recent ones | 14:38 |
| mihalis68 | only after we have that do numbers start to become available | 14:38 |
| shintaro | ah, yes after Tom leaving the team, we need someone to help that too. will ask Lauren | 14:38 |
| mihalis68 | and it's a great thing to use for promotion | 14:38 |
| med_ | Is the date fixed? | 14:38 |
| * med_ hasn't paid much attn to Tokyo event | 14:38 | |
| shintaro | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Operations/Meetups/TYO-ops-meetup | 14:39 |
| shintaro | March 7-8 | 14:39 |
| emccormick | o/ | 14:39 |
| mihalis68 | I believe Lauren would be the right contact, but just as a point of fact Tom wasn't too involved in the mexico one really | 14:39 |
| mihalis68 | he might have asked for it but in the end I had to contact other people to get access | 14:39 |
| mihalis68 | #action Shintaro to contact Lauren Sell to request an Evenbrite for Tokyo (March 7,8) | 14:40 |
| shintaro | thanks | 14:40 |
| mihalis68 | when the event firm is ready, I'd like to hear the sponsorship opportunities asap | 14:41 |
| mihalis68 | I would guess we (Bloomberg) can pick up something like food again | 14:41 |
| shintaro | thanks I will update as soon as possible | 14:42 |
| mihalis68 | I have a feeling we identified a need for better promotion of the next mid-cycle sooner | 14:43 |
| mihalis68 | I know that the foundation is more in the loop earlier this time | 14:43 |
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| mihalis68 | but as a top-of-head suggestion might we submit something to superuser announcing it with some detail on telecom track, any partners, any early sponsors? | 14:43 |
| shintaro | the agenda brainstorming etherpad is up, too. | 14:43 |
| shintaro | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TYO-ops-meetup-2018 | 14:44 |
| jsheeren | hey all, i'm having an issue with the versioned_notifications.info queue not being consumed. queue fills up with instance update events among others | 14:44 |
| mihalis68 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TYO-ops-meetup-2018 | 14:44 |
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| jsheeren | running openstack ocata, gnocchi and panko are installed | 14:44 |
| mihalis68 | hey loris, just fyi there's a meeting going on here. You're welcome to post but it will be mingled with discussion of next operators meetings | 14:44 |
| mihalis68 | Joris. Darn autocorrect | 14:45 |
| jsheeren | oh ok, i did not see that | 14:45 |
| mihalis68 | no worries | 14:45 |
| jsheeren | apologies, i'll wait so i don't clutter things | 14:45 |
| mihalis68 | ok. Done in 15m | 14:45 |
| mihalis68 | back to tokyo. Is there anything else we need to discuss now? | 14:45 |
| mihalis68 | I could try another article if there's no volunteer | 14:46 |
| mihalis68 | maybe when the eventbrite is done | 14:46 |
| mihalis68 | thoughts? | 14:46 |
| shintaro | +1 | 14:46 |
| emccormick | mihalis68 During the Ops Meetup forum session, I'll ping people to go there and put things | 14:46 |
| emccormick | will put the agenda etherpad on the meeting etherpad | 14:46 |
| mihalis68 | #action mihalis68 to author Tokyo meet up announcement article for SuperUser once we have the Eventbrite event | 14:47 |
| emccormick | then people can go there with forum things fresh in their brains | 14:47 |
| mihalis68 | thanks emc, good idea | 14:47 |
| mihalis68 | one thing I recall from a recent spray of email is the topic of should mid-cycles and PTG merge came up again | 14:48 |
| mihalis68 | any thoughts ? | 14:48 |
| shintaro | yes, the idea was brought up from Lauren | 14:48 |
| med_ | so, PTG is 5 days (2+3) | 14:48 |
| mihalis68 | I've come across the idea several times, not a big fan, speaking personally | 14:48 |
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| med_ | would we better align with the 2 day cross project stuff or the 3 day deep dive stuff (nova, neutron, projects, etc) | 14:49 |
| med_ | mihalis68, I like having a 2 for the price of 1 type of event in general. Not sure it helps/hurts the operator story. | 14:49 |
| emccormick | cross project stuff | 14:49 |
| emccormick | mainly | 14:49 |
| shintaro | good thing is we don't need to worry about logistics. but side effect is less devs will join ops session | 14:50 |
| emccormick | I don't know that we had that many devs in the ops sessions anyway. They just tend to not come because they've blown their travel budget | 14:50 |
| mihalis68 | the impression I got was that suggestions of merging came from people who didn't seem to know what the mid-cycles are like in some cases | 14:50 |
| mihalis68 | for example my business sponsor at the time, sadly | 14:51 |
| emccormick | also PTG seems like it's forever in the US | 14:51 |
| emccormick | unless I"ve missed something for next one | 14:51 |
| shintaro | next one will be in Dublin | 14:52 |
| emccormick | ooer | 14:52 |
| emccormick | ok so branching out | 14:52 |
| mihalis68 | emc could that be your liver speaking? | 14:52 |
| mihalis68 | 8 minutes left | 14:52 |
| emccormick | I would drink all the Guinness and all the Whiskey | 14:52 |
| mihalis68 | I'm going to say the reaction to the idea of merging mid-cycles into PTG is "mixed at best" | 14:53 |
| med_ | they actually talked about the next one in one of the lunch sessions (about going beyong N.A.) | 14:53 |
| shintaro | you can come to Tokyo after finishing up all the Gunness :) | 14:53 |
| emccormick | Anyway, I'm kinda meh on colocation. Let's plan to discuss it after summit | 14:53 |
| mihalis68 | +1 works for me | 14:53 |
| shintaro | +1 | 14:53 |
| emccormick | I'll just come to TYO and drink all the sake | 14:53 |
| mihalis68 | I would be into formally merging if we had some say, a seat at the table | 14:53 |
| mihalis68 | ~5 minutes left | 14:54 |
| mihalis68 | #topic any other business | 14:54 |
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| emccormick | Nothing from me. | 14:55 |
| mihalis68 | meetup #2 in 2018 would be geographically opposite the previous one, right? | 14:55 |
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| mihalis68 | is that europe then? | 14:56 |
| mihalis68 | mexico, tokyo, ...? | 14:56 |
| shintaro | suppose so | 14:56 |
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| mihalis68 | next week we could set the geo region? | 14:56 |
| mihalis68 | hi VW_ I think we've already run out of steam. Anything from you? | 14:57 |
| shintaro | +1 | 14:57 |
| emccormick | +1 | 14:57 |
| mihalis68 | ok last call | 14:57 |
| emccormick | we would normally go NA East next | 14:57 |
| emccormick | then EU | 14:57 |
| mihalis68 | ok. Seems like there's some debate for next week. Cool | 14:58 |
| mihalis68 | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussion of topics related to operating Openstack infrastructures at scale | Mailing list: http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators | Logs: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/" | 14:58 | |
| mihalis68 | thanks all! | 14:58 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 10 14:58:17 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-10-10-14.01.html | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-10-10-14.01.txt | 14:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-10-10-14.01.log.html | 14:58 |
| shintaro | thanks | 14:58 |
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| med_ | thanks mihalis68 mrhillsman emccormick et al | 14:59 |
| mihalis68 | good luck lurking on TC med_ ! | 15:00 |
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| med_ | thanks | 15:20 |
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