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| mihalis68 | Ops Meetups Team meeting in 3 minutes | 13:57 |
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| emccormick | ah there we go | 14:01 |
| shintaro | hi | 14:01 |
| mihalis68 | #startmeeting Ops Meetup Team | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 31 14:01:44 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ops Meetup Team)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' | 14:01 |
| mihalis68 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 14:01 |
| mihalis68 | hello everyone | 14:02 |
| shintaro | hi | 14:02 |
| VW | o/ | 14:02 |
| mihalis68 | #topic review last week's actions | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review last week's actions (Meeting topic: Ops Meetup Team)" | 14:02 | |
| mihalis68 | No progress on mine, sorry | 14:02 |
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| mihalis68 | #action mihalis68 to start an ether pad for the ops guide session in Sydney | 14:02 |
| mihalis68 | #action mihalis68 to get the word out about tokyo to redhat and canonical | 14:02 |
| shintaro | I just sent out an email to announce eventbrite to operators ML | 14:03 |
| mihalis68 | If you have progress, please report it, else please re-action yourself here. I will let meetbot take the load instead of manually scraping and re-entering actions week to week | 14:03 |
| mihalis68 | med_ is not here | 14:03 |
| mihalis68 | so that's it' for the actions, that was quick | 14:04 |
| mihalis68 | #topic sydney | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "sydney (Meeting topic: Ops Meetup Team)" | 14:04 | |
| shintaro | #action shintaro to look into breakfast | 14:04 |
| mihalis68 | I will do the ether pad for the Ops Guide today. And on that topic, I reviewed the latest conversion to markdown from the openstack sources, still not right | 14:04 |
| mihalis68 | #action mihalis68 + canonical collaborator to finish Ops Guide conversion to customary markdown format for OpenStack Wiki | 14:05 |
| mihalis68 | #info I got a lot of feedback about my SuperUser article | 14:05 |
| mihalis68 | the private feedback was positive, whereas the first public comment on the blog post disagreed and said let the vendors handle long-term support | 14:05 |
| mihalis68 | I haven't responded | 14:05 |
| mihalis68 | I am veering off topic there I guess. The thing that triggered the thought is that Sydney has an OpenStack LTS releases session | 14:06 |
| mihalis68 | what else is still outstanding for Sydney? | 14:07 |
| VW | well, mihalis68 - and this will overlap with a later agenda topic | 14:07 |
| VW | but lsell was in the UC meeting yesterday and asked if we could hold on the co-location conversation of meetups and PTGs today | 14:08 |
| VW | and put it on the agenda for the Ops meetup team in Syd | 14:08 |
| VW | because she can't be here today, but will be attending that session | 14:08 |
| mihalis68 | Hmmm... I guess we can hold on the decision | 14:08 |
| mihalis68 | but no reason for us not to discuss it | 14:08 |
| VW | agreed | 14:08 |
| VW | sorry - probably bad wording on my part | 14:08 |
| VW | not enough coffee yet :) | 14:08 |
| shintaro | do we have an etherpad page for the forum session? | 14:09 |
| VW | Let me go verify that now and take care of it if we don't | 14:09 |
| mihalis68 | that works | 14:09 |
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| shintaro | thanks VW | 14:10 |
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| mihalis68 | For anyone not familiar, the issue being discussed is whether to co-locate ops meetups and PTG | 14:10 |
| emccormick | o/ | 14:11 |
| mihalis68 | on the positive side, PTG is fully organized by the foundation | 14:11 |
| mihalis68 | but it would be the PTG AND THEN some ops meetups days hoping that the PTG attendees would hang around | 14:11 |
| mihalis68 | I'm starting to not like the idea, speaking personally | 14:11 |
| VW | hey emccormick are you still moderating the Ops meetup session or was I supposed to cover that? | 14:11 |
| VW | elaborate mihalis68 | 14:12 |
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| emccormick | Either way is fine by me. | 14:12 |
| mihalis68 | why I don't like it? | 14:12 |
| emccormick | If you want to take one off my hands I'd appreciate it | 14:12 |
| VW | I tend to lean that way myself, but can be convinced | 14:12 |
| emccormick | but if you have conflicts it's ok | 14:12 |
| mihalis68 | So PTG is several intense days | 14:12 |
| VW | checking schedule | 14:13 |
| mihalis68 | it's entirely for subject matter experts and/or actual committers | 14:13 |
| mihalis68 | not us | 14:13 |
| VW | right | 14:13 |
| mihalis68 | the idea is to tack on a different meeting at the end of that and hope some of those people hang around | 14:13 |
| mihalis68 | I feel like it puts the operators at the back door with their hands out "please sire, spare some time?" | 14:13 |
| emccormick | Having images of Oliver right now | 14:14 |
| med_ | \o | 14:14 |
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| * med_ is late again | 14:14 | |
| mihalis68 | welcome med_ | 14:14 |
| mihalis68 | A key part of the low-key ops meetups style of meeting has been the independence and ability to speak bluntly | 14:15 |
| med_ | I agree, tacking the Ops Midcycle on at the end of PTG would a) put it in the weekend b) used burned out folks | 14:15 |
| med_ | that too mihalis68 | 14:15 |
| mihalis68 | I thought it was M-W PTG, then T,F ops meetups | 14:15 |
| mihalis68 | but they would still be burned out | 14:15 |
| VW | yeah - a big outcome of the meetups is to get Operators involved | 14:15 |
| VW | it's nice if work items come out for dev teams, but not primary focus | 14:16 |
| mihalis68 | I don't want to even appear to lead the debate, this is just one viewpoint | 14:16 |
| med_ | PTG is a full week | 14:16 |
| mihalis68 | ok then I think that underlines my point | 14:16 |
| med_ | it's got two parts (typically M-T, and W-F) unless they are changing up for the next one. | 14:16 |
| mihalis68 | I think that there was a feeling in some parts of the community that PTG "should" subsume ops meetups | 14:17 |
| mihalis68 | that was entirely wrong and seemed to be based on (frankly) ignorance of what they do | 14:17 |
| mihalis68 | I am speaking about a particular discussion that I had, so apologies if that was not true elsewhere | 14:17 |
| mihalis68 | would someone like to say more in favor of co-location? | 14:18 |
| shintaro | can't we have the session in parallel? We can just leverage the logistics part. | 14:18 |
| med_ | colocate with PTG and overlap days 1 and 2? | 14:18 |
| med_ | or days 2 and 3 | 14:18 |
| med_ | ? | 14:18 |
| shintaro | yes | 14:18 |
| VW | we could, but I'm not sure what we gain from that | 14:18 |
| mihalis68 | I feel like the important people are busy all day long already on those days | 14:18 |
| mihalis68 | VW you said you are inclined towards co-location by default. How do you see it working? | 14:19 |
| VW | no, I'm inclined to not | 14:19 |
| VW | I was agreeing with you | 14:20 |
| mihalis68 | ah ok my mistake | 14:20 |
| mihalis68 | so who here is in favor? | 14:20 |
| mihalis68 | ok well that's pretty clear I thikn | 14:21 |
| mihalis68 | still nobody wanting to make the case FOR | 14:21 |
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| mihalis68 | #info nobody attending todays meeting wanted to make a case in favor of PTG and ops meetups co-location | 14:21 |
| mihalis68 | I do realize it's a very small and self-selecting sample | 14:22 |
| VW | yeah | 14:22 |
| VW | we can bring the subject up in SYD | 14:22 |
| mihalis68 | I propose we notify the mailing list today that this discussion happened and that it will continue up until Sydney at least | 14:23 |
| mihalis68 | thoughts? | 14:23 |
| shintaro | So our issue here is going back to how to get the host and sponsor constantly? | 14:23 |
| shintaro | Or how the Foundation can support that model | 14:23 |
| emccormick | I've always mainly been against it. The only benefit to me was having the foundation organize it, but that doesn't seem to outweigh the drawbacks you've mentioned. | 14:23 |
| mihalis68 | yes, but we've been able to do that for the most part | 14:23 |
| mihalis68 | #action mihalis68 to report to operators mailing list that the co-location idea continues to be debated up until Sydney at least, but not favored by todays meeting | 14:24 |
| emccormick | We can throw this out again in SYD | 14:24 |
| emccormick | maybe there will be a few devs in the room | 14:25 |
| mihalis68 | the light touch support from the foundation for the Mexico City event felt perfect to me | 14:25 |
| mihalis68 | any more thoughts about Sydney? | 14:25 |
| emccormick | yeah. If we just get that from the beginning I think all will be well. | 14:25 |
| mihalis68 | I agree | 14:25 |
| mihalis68 | #topic Tokyo | 14:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tokyo (Meeting topic: Ops Meetup Team)" | 14:25 | |
| mihalis68 | the eventbrite is done, right? | 14:26 |
| shintaro | yes | 14:26 |
| mihalis68 | Should we start "marketing" that? | 14:26 |
| mihalis68 | are you comfortable with that, Shintaro? | 14:26 |
| VW | etherpad for SYD created | 14:26 |
| VW | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SYD-Ops_Meetup_Team_catch-up | 14:26 |
| VW | adding to wiki | 14:26 |
| mihalis68 | thanks VW | 14:26 |
| emccormick | One thing that could swing it though. We should put out the RFP for fall 2018 soonish to see what sort of nibbles we get. | 14:26 |
| mihalis68 | wish I was going to be there | 14:26 |
| mihalis68 | Can I action the entire ops meetups team to promote the tokyo event? | 14:27 |
| shintaro | I am waiting for the graphics from the foudation designer | 14:27 |
| shintaro | that will come after Sydney | 14:27 |
| mihalis68 | are they doing some? I thought they were fully busy | 14:27 |
| mihalis68 | seems unfortunate to wait | 14:27 |
| med_ | I've mentioned the Tokyo to my SuSE openstack contacts | 14:27 |
| med_ | that may have been the action I've missed earlier. | 14:27 |
| mihalis68 | how about early spreading of the word now and then again when it has snazzy graphics? | 14:28 |
| med_ | I will also leverage a lurker herein as well. | 14:28 |
| emccormick | action away mihalis68 | 14:28 |
| emccormick | can put info on that etherpad right now | 14:28 |
| shintaro | I've email to the operators ML, but should I send it to the dev ML as well? | 14:28 |
| mihalis68 | #action mihalis68 mccormick med_ shintaro vw mrhillsmans to promote Tokyo OpenStack Operators mid-cycle meetup | 14:29 |
| mihalis68 | sure, can't hurt | 14:29 |
| shintaro | okay | 14:29 |
| mihalis68 | certain key developers make very welcome celebrity guests at ops meetups | 14:29 |
| mihalis68 | example sean dague/nova at NYC | 14:29 |
| med_ | and notmyname freq makes appearances | 14:30 |
| med_ | aka John Dickinson swift | 14:30 |
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| shintaro | the next PTG is a week before Tokyo OpsMeetup and is in Dublin so devs need to go around the globe to come. | 14:30 |
| mihalis68 | shintaro is there any news about the needed sponsorship for tokyo? | 14:30 |
| mihalis68 | and also the breakfast issue? :) | 14:31 |
| shintaro | yes I am checking the price. We are stuck with the network cost to come out from the venue. | 14:31 |
| shintaro | so please hold on. | 14:31 |
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| mihalis68 | I am frankly impatient to learn about the gaps so that we can invite people to fill those in, e.g. if breakfast can be done but needs separate sponsor, and of course signs, badges, swag etc. | 14:32 |
| mihalis68 | sorry! :) | 14:32 |
| shintaro | breakfast need sponsor for sure. | 14:33 |
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| mihalis68 | what else? | 14:33 |
| shintaro | signs, badges will be covered by us but not the swag | 14:33 |
| mihalis68 | so venue, wifi, lunch, signs, badges : NTT | 14:34 |
| mihalis68 | breakfast, swag, possible evening event : OPEN | 14:34 |
| mihalis68 | ? | 14:34 |
| shintaro | and coffee | 14:34 |
| mihalis68 | that's a cute little item | 14:34 |
| mihalis68 | small sponsorship opportunities matter too | 14:34 |
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| shintaro | no the coffee is on us :) but not the breakfast | 14:35 |
| mihalis68 | oh ok. That actually makes more sense! | 14:35 |
| mihalis68 | i was thinking "wow that's a very ... nuanced hosting offer" :) | 14:36 |
| mihalis68 | breakfast is good though | 14:36 |
| mihalis68 | start the day with MegaStack and pancakes | 14:36 |
| mihalis68 | you can tell I'm not a marketeer | 14:36 |
| mihalis68 | what else is still up in the air for tokyo? | 14:36 |
| mihalis68 | is the evening event at the brewery, despite inability to get a reservation? | 14:37 |
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| shintaro | they said they only take reservations for over 150 people | 14:37 |
| shintaro | so we are looking for another place | 14:37 |
| mihalis68 | unlikely to reach that | 14:37 |
| med_ | sounds like they can handle us | 14:37 |
| mihalis68 | ok #action shintaro to find evening venue for day 1 of tokyo | 14:38 |
| shintaro | We are discussing to lower the network price so that we may be able to handle the evening event. | 14:39 |
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| mihalis68 | network price being wifi for attendees? | 14:39 |
| shintaro | We are asking our group company to provide their Wifi for the event. | 14:39 |
| med_ | confusing language | 14:39 |
| shintaro | wifi I mean | 14:40 |
| mihalis68 | ok. We are still in pretty good shape for this event, given how far off it is, but I recall from the past couple of years that later in the year everyone gets jammed for one reason or another | 14:41 |
| VW | for sure | 14:41 |
| mihalis68 | anything else to discuss for Tokyo? | 14:41 |
| shintaro | none from me | 14:42 |
| mihalis68 | #topic future events | 14:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "future events (Meeting topic: Ops Meetup Team)" | 14:42 | |
| mihalis68 | we have not resolved the location rules | 14:42 |
| mihalis68 | but I did observe that at one time the group had decided on every other in North America with an expectation to alternate coasts | 14:43 |
| emccormick | I think generalizing NAM and doing it ever other is the way to go | 14:43 |
| mihalis68 | and yet in other conversations it was just NAM, EUR, APAC rotation | 14:43 |
| mihalis68 | I suggest this is not locked down :) | 14:43 |
| emccormick | NAM -> APAC -> NAM -> EU repeat | 14:43 |
| emccormick | the alternating coasts was me | 14:43 |
| med_ | I'd vote for alternating NAM / Elsewhere as well (very self-serving though.) | 14:44 |
| emccormick | but I don't think we can be that picky | 14:44 |
| mihalis68 | does anyone have a feeling for whether mccormick's proposal represents the community fairly? | 14:44 |
| emccormick | I would say a preference for doing so perhaps but not written in stone | 14:44 |
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| mihalis68 | NAM every other implies that openstack is about half in NAM, is that still true? | 14:44 |
| med_ | I'd give extra weight to folks attending MX and prior session (international folks) over my vote. Ie, folks that put in the time and travel to get there have my full support in making this decision. | 14:45 |
| VW | I think it would represent things pretty well, we have pretty much done that since Manchester | 14:45 |
| mihalis68 | We do have precedent for competing regions | 14:45 |
| med_ | and if we wait until Tokyo to decide, those attendees also get more votes IMHO. | 14:45 |
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| emccormick | I don't know that you're ever going to find a fair balance at the event itself | 14:46 |
| mihalis68 | I think enthusiasm counts for a lot | 14:46 |
| mihalis68 | this team has a lot of interest in NAM after Tokyo. Let's see if we can do that | 14:46 |
| emccormick | if you asked for preference in Tokyo you'd get APAC twice maybe ;). | 14:47 |
| mihalis68 | if a host pops up and the community likes it, great | 14:47 |
| mihalis68 | I'll mail the list about it | 14:47 |
| mihalis68 | #action mihalis68 to kick of debate on operators mailing list for post-tokyo ops meetup | 14:48 |
| med_ | emccormick, that's now how I'd phrase the question. :^) | 14:49 |
| mihalis68 | Nobody ever turned up any solid facts about the rumor of a NE USA meet up before end of year | 14:50 |
| emccormick | I've heard nothing | 14:50 |
| mihalis68 | bit late to try anything now from a blank sheet | 14:53 |
| mihalis68 | only two months of the year left and it's riddled with holidays and also internal corporate things like budget stuff | 14:53 |
| med_ | concur | 14:53 |
| mihalis68 | #topic any other business | 14:54 |
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| mihalis68 | I already mentioned the difficulty with the ops guide conversion | 14:54 |
| mihalis68 | I'm still determined to get that done | 14:54 |
| mihalis68 | does anyone know if mrhillsman is still planning to be here regularly? | 14:55 |
| mihalis68 | I can check with him | 14:55 |
| mihalis68 | I think he transitioned to huawei? | 14:55 |
| med_ | competing meeting? | 14:55 |
| mihalis68 | after last week's meeting Sean McGinnis got in touch about the stable policy | 14:56 |
| VW | he is at huawei now | 14:56 |
| mihalis68 | he encourages everyone who is interested to attend this: | 14:56 |
| mihalis68 | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20456/what-do-operators-want-from-the-stable-policy | 14:56 |
| mihalis68 | VW yeah but does he plan to carry on with this team? | 14:56 |
| VW | I'll have to ask. He and I should be at a lot of the same stuff in SYD with UC duties | 14:57 |
| mihalis68 | ok thanks | 14:57 |
| mihalis68 | #action VW to check with mrhillsman about continued membership of ops meetups team | 14:58 |
| mihalis68 | 2 minutes left | 14:58 |
| mihalis68 | any other thoughts? | 14:58 |
| VW | please add anything you want discussed to | 14:59 |
| VW | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SYD-Ops_Meetup_Team_catch-up | 14:59 |
| mihalis68 | good call | 14:59 |
| VW | shameless plug :) | 14:59 |
| mihalis68 | ok last call before we wrap up | 14:59 |
| med_ | tx. | 14:59 |
| VW | thanks for driving mihalis68 | 14:59 |
| mihalis68 | most welcome | 14:59 |
| shintaro | thank you | 14:59 |
| mihalis68 | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| VW | see some of you in a few days | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussion of topics related to operating Openstack infrastructures at scale | Mailing list: http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators | Logs: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 31 15:00:02 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-10-31-14.01.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-10-31-14.01.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-10-31-14.01.log.html | 15:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Martin Mágr proposed openstack/osops-tools-monitoring master: Fixed check_nova_instance https://review.openstack.org/516716 | 15:35 |
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