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| jamesmcarthur | is there a meetup today? | 14:07 |
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| smcginnis | jamesmcarthur: I think it's been pushed back an hour, but looks like https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ops_Meetups_Team hasn't been updated to reflect that. | 14:35 |
| smcginnis | Unless that was just for last week, but with the lack of activity today, my guess is it's the plan going forward. | 14:35 |
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| mihalis68 | it was agreed to push back one hour. I was supposed to get the word out to everyone and failed. My apologies | 14:36 |
| mihalis68 | it turns out way more of the core team can make 10am EST than one hour earlier | 14:37 |
| mihalis68 | meeting is in just over 20 minutes | 14:37 |
| smcginnis | ++ the later time is much better for me. | 14:38 |
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| mihalis68 | o/ | 14:58 |
| shintaro | hi | 14:58 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 14:58 |
| smcginnis | Should I update the wiki to say 1500 UTC? Or is going to vary depending on US dayloight savings time? | 14:59 |
| smcginnis | light | 14:59 |
| mihalis68 | I think the current agreement was 10am EST all the time, so it will vary | 14:59 |
| mihalis68 | #startmeeting Ops Meetup Team | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 6 15:00:20 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ops Meetup Team)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' | 15:00 |
| mihalis68 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 15:00 |
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| mihalis68 | #topics actions from previous meetings | 15:00 |
| emccormick | o/ | 15:00 |
| mihalis68 | heya | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 15:00 |
| mihalis68 | o/ | 15:00 |
| shintaro | hi | 15:01 |
| mihalis68 | I had 3 actions. Read up about OpenStack Days: no progress. Notify community about ops guide wiki conversion : done/in-progress. Notify community about meeting time change - could do better | 15:01 |
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| mihalis68 | anyone else wish to comment on prior actions? (we now use the honor system, if you get an action and don't do it, nobody chases you) | 15:02 |
| mihalis68 | ok! | 15:02 |
| mihalis68 | #topic Tokyo | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tokyo (Meeting topic: Ops Meetup Team)" | 15:02 | |
| mihalis68 | Shintaro has added more detail to the agenda (link above) | 15:03 |
| shintaro | 31 registraion so far. expect more NTT people to come | 15:03 |
| mihalis68 | estimated attendance ~60 (31 register, ~30 more expected from NTT) | 15:03 |
| aprice | o/ and Jimmy is also here. Having trouble getting online | 15:03 |
| shintaro | I will try to promote more | 15:03 |
| mihalis68 | we can all tweet and otherwise get the word out since there's still plenty of time to make travel and accommodation plans | 15:03 |
| mihalis68 | hello and welcome | 15:03 |
| aprice | Anne from the Foundation team is also attending | 15:03 |
| mihalis68 | also on the agenda, the ether pad. We need more moderators. I have volunteered for two sessions | 15:04 |
| shintaro | great news! | 15:04 |
| mihalis68 | *etherpad link | 15:04 |
| aprice | We will continue to support on social media, tweeting the Superuser link | 15:04 |
| mihalis68 | great! Thanks so much | 15:04 |
| shintaro | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TYO-ops-meetup-2018 | 15:04 |
| emccormick | Nice. Full house :) | 15:04 |
| emccormick | Looks like we picked up a moderator. We need to blat out another request. | 15:05 |
| mihalis68 | who here is attending tokyo? | 15:05 |
| emccormick | o/ | 15:05 |
| mihalis68 | o/ | 15:05 |
| shintaro | o/ | 15:05 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 15:06 |
| smcginnis | I will wait to put my name down as a moderator, but am willing to fill in where needed. | 15:06 |
| mihalis68 | sean you could probably handle openstack contributor in your sleep (1st session)? | 15:06 |
| mihalis68 | "contribution workflow" | 15:06 |
| smcginnis | Oh yeah, I'll put my name down for that one for now. | 15:06 |
| mihalis68 | cool, thanks | 15:06 |
| mihalis68 | Now I know this is keeping shintaro busy but surely you can moderate one of the telecom track sessions, Shintaro? | 15:07 |
| emccormick | Do we have enough sessions there to fill a schedule? | 15:07 |
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| shintaro | yes! but I'm trying to put some other NTT guys ,better than me | 15:08 |
| mihalis68 | Could I ask you to maybe enter your name with * ? | 15:08 |
| shintaro | ok | 15:08 |
| mihalis68 | implying you or someone you find? | 15:08 |
| mihalis68 | it looks less forbidding when it's fuller | 15:08 |
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| mihalis68 | mrhillsman are you moderating? | 15:09 |
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| mihalis68 | guess he's looking at something else right now. I think we just need to publicize the event a bit more and drum up more moderators | 15:10 |
| emccormick | not sure if he's even coming | 15:10 |
| mihalis68 | oh that's right, yes, my mistake. Thanks! | 15:11 |
| mihalis68 | anything else for Tokyo in particular? | 15:11 |
| smcginnis | mihalis68: mrhillsman will not be able to attend, unfortunately. | 15:11 |
| emccormick | I'll send out a request for moderators to the list | 15:11 |
| emccormick | should we put in a freeze on topics or do a last call? | 15:11 |
| mihalis68 | I think maybe next week we should start dropping the popular sessions that have moderators onto the schedule | 15:11 |
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| smcginnis | emccormick: Might be nice to have more topics than we can actually cover. | 15:11 |
| emccormick | *nod* | 15:12 |
| smcginnis | Then if we can adjust as needed for audience and availability. | 15:12 |
| mihalis68 | let's ask for final topics for next week so that we can do timetable? | 15:12 |
| emccormick | OK will do a call for sessions and moderators | 15:12 |
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| emccormick | sounds good | 15:12 |
| mihalis68 | #action mccormick to email the community for final topics and moderators | 15:12 |
| shintaro | +1 | 15:12 |
| mihalis68 | honestly autocomplete ruins my typing of your name every single time | 15:12 |
| mihalis68 | sorry about that | 15:13 |
| emccormick | smcginnis are you also going to PTG? | 15:13 |
| mihalis68 | #topic meetup #2 of 2018 | 15:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "meetup #2 of 2018 (Meeting topic: Ops Meetup Team)" | 15:13 | |
| smcginnis | emccormick: Yep. Back to back travel FTW! | 15:13 |
| mihalis68 | last week it was discussed that perhaps Amrith (from verizon) could respond on whether they are still interested | 15:14 |
| mihalis68 | I forget who is our link to him from this griup | 15:14 |
| mihalis68 | group | 15:14 |
| mrhillsman | amrith ^ | 15:14 |
| mrhillsman | i thought you both got a "formal" intro and would work together? | 15:14 |
| emccormick | smcginnis I need a person to convey LTS / Fast Forward Upgrade discussions from PTG to OPS. Can you manage that in your schedule? | 15:14 |
| mrhillsman | like over a month or so ago | 15:14 |
| amrith | oink | 15:14 |
| mihalis68 | hey | 15:14 |
| mrhillsman | via this channel | 15:14 |
| amrith | hello mrhillsman | 15:14 |
| mrhillsman | hey amrith | 15:15 |
| amrith | reading scrollback | 15:15 |
| mihalis68 | thanks for spotting our smoke signal there | 15:15 |
| mrhillsman | i think it was very much like this intro now lol, chris meet amrith, amrith meet chris | 15:15 |
| mrhillsman | and then an email? | 15:15 |
| mihalis68 | is Verizon still interested in co-hosting an ops meet up later this year? | 15:15 |
| mrhillsman | iirc | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | amrith: Main question is whether Verizon is interesting in joining in the next ops meetup. | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | Interesting and willing/able. | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | *interested | 15:16 |
| smcginnis | :) | 15:16 |
| mihalis68 | yeah we were "introduced" but then I was also referred to a verizon event planning rep, but that person didn't respond to a second email after the winter break | 15:16 |
| amrith | mihalis68 mrhillsman smcginnis hello. I'm not sure when the intro was but if I recall correctly, I'd connected someone with one of my colleagues in NJ area. yes, I think we are, not sure of the details. | 15:16 |
| amrith | ah, that's what happened. | 15:16 |
| amrith | we can take it up offline; you have my email. | 15:16 |
| amrith | last I know, we were interested in pursuing it. | 15:16 |
| mihalis68 | Ah ok. Maybe I was discouraged too easily there. Someone mentioned they thought there'd been some kind of finance lockdown (not that I'm asking). I will email | 15:17 |
| mihalis68 | thanks | 15:17 |
| amrith | thx | 15:17 |
| amrith | where's next meetup? | 15:17 |
| mihalis68 | possibly NYC | 15:17 |
| mrhillsman | tokyo | 15:17 |
| mrhillsman | then after east coast | 15:18 |
| mihalis68 | Oh yeah tokyo march, then possibly NYC in August | 15:18 |
| amrith | nyc is just a little bit closer than tokyo. but I understand that the japanse food is better in tokyo | 15:18 |
| mrhillsman | that is the "plan" as of today :) | 15:18 |
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| amrith | and they have 'real sushi' | 15:18 |
| mrhillsman | hehe | 15:18 |
| mihalis68 | it was good | 15:18 |
| mihalis68 | managed some during the tokyo summit | 15:18 |
| shintaro | :) | 15:18 |
| jamesmca_ | a gentle reminder that OpenStack Days Nordic is very keen to host your fall Ops meetup | 15:18 |
| jamesmca_ | Perhaps we could see if Verizon wants to sponsor that OpenStack Day / Ops Meetup | 15:19 |
| mihalis68 | the procedural snag is that the meet up is "due" to be in north america due to the goal of balancing travel costs across the community | 15:19 |
| jamesmca_ | mihalis68: got it. was not aware of that. | 15:20 |
| mihalis68 | but I don't think that is a cast-iron rule, it's just a guideline (someone correct me if I am wrong) | 15:20 |
| smcginnis | mihalis68: ++ | 15:20 |
| mihalis68 | but travel costs are a pressing issue | 15:20 |
| emccormick | Do they have dates yet? | 15:20 |
| emccormick | We could change it and do east coast in the spring | 15:20 |
| emccormick | Milan was extremely well attended. | 15:21 |
| mihalis68 | I think that's a good idea, personally | 15:21 |
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| mihalis68 | anything less than strong encouragement of a willing host feels ... wrong | 15:21 |
| mihalis68 | I think we'd have to put it to a public vote with notification | 15:21 |
| jamesmca_ | If you're interested, I could set up a meeting with the Nordic Days manager. | 15:22 |
| emccormick | jamesmca_ As long as it's not too close to the summit dates it's doable | 15:22 |
| mihalis68 | ISTR the dates are already known? | 15:22 |
| emccormick | We need to keep it mid-wayish if possible | 15:22 |
| emccormick | it's not on the site | 15:22 |
| jamesmca_ | they haven't announced yet | 15:22 |
| VW | hey folks - sorry | 15:22 |
| emccormick | just says 2018 | 15:22 |
| mihalis68 | that's also a good pint emc | 15:22 |
| jamesmca_ | looks like it's normally september or october | 15:22 |
| VW | was dealing with phone failures | 15:22 |
| mihalis68 | hey vw welcome. lively meeting today | 15:22 |
| mihalis68 | we're discussing meet up 2 2018 | 15:23 |
| VW | Us vs Northern Europe ? | 15:23 |
| mihalis68 | there's a proposal to look into OpenStack Days Nordic hosting that "slot" and move USA to spring 2019 | 15:23 |
| mihalis68 | I hope its not "versus" | 15:23 |
| emccormick | Berlin is fairly late, so it's probably fine | 15:23 |
| emccormick | September is better | 15:23 |
| VW | yeah - it just puts it Europe for the meetup then Europe for the summit | 15:24 |
| emccormick | Not like they can change dates for us. It's just a factor to consider for colocating | 15:24 |
| mihalis68 | jamesmca_ we have an actual procedure for such hosting offers. There's an ether pad form to be filled out | 15:24 |
| emccormick | true | 15:24 |
| VW | then US for the next meetup and NA for the following summit | 15:24 |
| mihalis68 | vw I did bring up the goal of balancing travel costs across the community | 15:24 |
| mihalis68 | hmmm yeah | 15:24 |
| VW | doesn't prevent this from happening | 15:25 |
| VW | a willing host is a willing host | 15:25 |
| VW | but it's worth pointing out | 15:25 |
| emccormick | When we have solid proposals, let's do a poll | 15:26 |
| mihalis68 | anyone have the boilerplate text ether pad on which proposals are filled out? | 15:26 |
| emccormick | like we did with TYO / MIL | 15:26 |
| mihalis68 | #link sample https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss-1st-2018 | 15:27 |
| shintaro | its here #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss-2nd-2018 | 15:27 |
| mihalis68 | I will start the venue selection ether pad for #2 2018 and we can see if we get acceptable offers | 15:27 |
| mrhillsman | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss-1st-2018 | 15:28 |
| mrhillsman | ah ok | 15:28 |
| jamesmca_ | I'm checking with Özgur Bal on dates. Provided it doesn't fall too late in October, I will ask him to fill out the ehterpad form | 15:28 |
| mihalis68 | #action mihalis68 to create the meet up #2 2018 etherpad | 15:28 |
| mrhillsman | ^ its there already | 15:28 |
| mrhillsman | shintaro pasted | 15:28 |
| mihalis68 | ah cool ok | 15:29 |
| emccormick | where is PTG going next? | 15:29 |
| mihalis68 | jamesmca_ you copy all the text then paste a second copy and then fill in all the fields | 15:29 |
| smcginnis | The next PTG is still being decided. | 15:29 |
| jamesmca_ | mihalis68 - yes sir, got it :) | 15:29 |
| jamesmca_ | typically, the next PTG would be in North America | 15:30 |
| mihalis68 | personally speaking, traveling to openstack days nordic sounds wonderful | 15:30 |
| mihalis68 | but Bloomberg was/is interested in hosting this year | 15:30 |
| mihalis68 | and as mentioned the rotation reaches NA as a "goal" this time, so we'll just have to see which way the community goes | 15:31 |
| mihalis68 | (it's not up to this team!) | 15:31 |
| emccormick | Yeah, I haven't set foot in one nordic country. I'm all for that part | 15:31 |
| VW | well, not to complicate matters, but we've said all along we were open to regionalizing these things... | 15:31 |
| VW | :) | 15:31 |
| mihalis68 | true ... but you ARE complicating things if we get into that right now | 15:32 |
| emccormick | We could do 2 I suppose. Given our recent numbers though, it may rather dilute things. | 15:32 |
| mihalis68 | very valid concern that I share | 15:33 |
| smcginnis | On the plus side, there do seem to be a lot of OpenStack operators and users in Europe, so that may help raise the numbers there. | 15:33 |
| mihalis68 | we'll see | 15:33 |
| smcginnis | Milan had really good turn out I thought. | 15:33 |
| mihalis68 | any more on this topic for now? | 15:33 |
| emccormick | also mihalis68's head might explode | 15:33 |
| mihalis68 | ha ha | 15:33 |
| mihalis68 | #topic Ops Guide Wiki Conversion | 15:33 |
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| emccormick | I've started reading it, but still trudging through making notes. | 15:34 |
| emccormick | slow going | 15:34 |
| mihalis68 | I'll be brief: we have agreed to move forward with this as a wiki now. I received a good set of initial comments from David Medberry and I am hereby volunteering to update it | 15:34 |
| mihalis68 | yeah it's ... old :| | 15:34 |
| mihalis68 | Sean you have edit rights should we perhaps just coordinate so as to not trample on each other? | 15:34 |
| mihalis68 | for others who may not have openstack wiki edit privilege, you can email me or the operators list and if I see it I'll pick it up | 15:35 |
| mihalis68 | and finally a blog on a bit more about the conversion process is expected soon on SuperUser.openstack.org | 15:35 |
| mihalis68 | I guess that's it for that topic | 15:36 |
| mrhillsman | what are you waiting for feedback to do with it at this point? | 15:36 |
| smcginnis | mihalis68: Sure, I can help coordinate updates. | 15:36 |
| mihalis68 | ok cool | 15:36 |
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| mihalis68 | mrhillsman last week I just wanted a thumbs-up that we're done with the "code-like" source material and it's a good enough conversion to live on purely as a community edited wiki | 15:37 |
| mihalis68 | we have this agreement | 15:37 |
| mrhillsman | i ask because of course it will never be "done" so what state/things need to happen before it is "green lighted" | 15:37 |
| mihalis68 | now the next bit of work is just that it's an old document, lots of out of date info | 15:37 |
| mihalis68 | it's already green lighted a little bit. I think I mentioned it on the mailing list | 15:37 |
| mihalis68 | I'd rather it was somewhat more useful before we really put the spotlight on it | 15:38 |
| mrhillsman | so for now you are basically working out the announcement to be done via SU/ | 15:38 |
| mrhillsman | ok, thx | 15:38 |
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| mihalis68 | an article that mentions it is submitted | 15:38 |
| mihalis68 | it's up to the superuser editors as to when it actually posts | 15:38 |
| mihalis68 | if you want to know when you could share it, the answer is now, go ahead! | 15:39 |
| mihalis68 | but people might like to be told that yes we know it's outdated and we're going to update it (at least myself and Sean) | 15:39 |
| mihalis68 | #topic weekly meeting timing | 15:40 |
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| mihalis68 | last week we agreed to try this slot for a while | 15:40 |
| mihalis68 | before we send out more announcements on this anyone object? | 15:40 |
| mihalis68 | the one-hour-earlier slot just was not working at all | 15:41 |
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| mihalis68 | to be clear, the suggestion was 10am EST always, which unfortunately will move around in UTC | 15:41 |
| shintaro | 1400 UTC during DST and 1500 UTC for other season, right? | 15:41 |
| mihalis68 | Sean has updated the wiki now, but I think it's always a topic we can come back to to make the meeting maximally useful for those that want to contribute | 15:42 |
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| shintaro | for us, without DST, we don't really know when is the transit day | 15:42 |
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| shintaro | so please announce the date before switching | 15:42 |
| mihalis68 | Should we try to use calendar technology? | 15:42 |
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| mihalis68 | I can send out Exchange-type invites if that would be helpful. Most systems accept those | 15:43 |
| mihalis68 | but perhaps that's useless? no idea honestly | 15:43 |
| shintaro | if the date is fixed, than just putting it on the wiki works | 15:44 |
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| mihalis68 | Ok let's aim for that for now. DST should be fixed for 2018 by now I would think | 15:44 |
| mihalis68 | #topic any other business | 15:45 |
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| mihalis68 | I throw the floor open to whatever else you hve | 15:45 |
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| mihalis68 | nothing more? | 15:45 |
| emccormick | I tossed out a request earlier. smcginnis or anyone else that can go to PTG LTS sessions | 15:45 |
| emccormick | need someone to take notes to maybe communicate to us | 15:46 |
| mihalis68 | can you take an action for that then Sean? | 15:46 |
| emccormick | Sometimes it's difficult to get actual actions out of the etherpads | 15:46 |
| emccormick | LTS / FFU | 15:46 |
| mihalis68 | #action smcginnis to liaise between PTG and operators for LTS discussion | 15:47 |
| smcginnis | On it. | 15:47 |
| mihalis68 | thanks! | 15:47 |
| emccormick | Thanks! | 15:47 |
| mihalis68 | ok las call, think we're done | 15:47 |
| mihalis68 | #endmeeting | 15:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussion of topics related to operating Openstack infrastructures at scale | Mailing list: http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators | Logs: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/" | 15:47 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 6 15:47:56 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2018/ops_meetup_team.2018-02-06-15.00.html | 15:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2018/ops_meetup_team.2018-02-06-15.00.txt | 15:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2018/ops_meetup_team.2018-02-06-15.00.log.html | 15:48 |
| mihalis68 | thanks all | 15:48 |
| smcginnis | Thanks! | 15:48 |
| emccormick | thanks everyone. Have a great week. | 15:48 |
| shintaro | thank you | 15:48 |
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| mihalis68 | anyone still online that didn't add your name to the agenda attendees list please do so, it helps everyone know who everyone else is | 15:54 |
| mihalis68 | I added some | 15:54 |
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