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| Arkady_Kanevsky | good morning | 14:01 |
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| mrhillsman | o/ | 14:06 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Have we discussed proposal on changing release cadence? | 14:13 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | to yearly releases or LTS and short term supported one | 14:13 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | would be nice to have a poll to see how often operators upgrade their production openstack. | 14:14 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Melvin, am I 1 hour late meeting? | 14:15 |
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| mrhillsman | you're an hour early | 14:20 |
| mrhillsman | i think sec | 14:21 |
| mrhillsman | yeah | 14:21 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | clock change again. Thanks Melvin. | 14:21 |
| mrhillsman | additionally | 14:21 |
| mrhillsman | this meeting is not the one to discuss release cadence since it is focused on ops meetups | 14:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I will try to get to operator one. but it is at the same time as edge computing meeting of OpenStack... | 14:22 |
| mrhillsman | but feel free to discuss it outside of the meetups meeting here | 14:23 |
| smcginnis | Arkady_Kanevsky: Are you attending the ops meetup in Tokyo? Might be a good place to have that discussion too. | 14:27 |
| mrhillsman | we are working on ideas around a short survey here - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wu_tKwogCvirDV3kd4YkWa4bWb_UMT4j4llle6j5MRg - amongst other items re releases | 14:27 |
| mrhillsman | and there will be a discussion at the ptg | 14:27 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I will be at PTG. but not in Tokyo. | 14:28 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Randy will be in Tokyo representing us | 14:28 |
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| mrhillsman | i think over the course of the next month or two we should be able to get a lot more non-dev feedback to add to the discussion and see where we go from there | 14:28 |
| mrhillsman | unfortunately all but a handful of folks who are not heavily developing have contributed to the conversation | 14:29 |
| mrhillsman | so we need to work on that definitely | 14:29 |
| mrhillsman | where that document stands is one of the uc members is parsing the two long threads to create summaries and ideas for a very short survey we can send out | 14:31 |
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| mrhillsman | smcginnis for the ptg is there a central location for etherpads/planning docs? | 14:34 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, one second... | 14:34 |
| smcginnis | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTG/Rocky/Etherpads | 14:34 |
| mrhillsman | ty sir | 14:34 |
| smcginnis | np | 14:34 |
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| shintaro | hi | 15:01 |
| mihalis68 | hi | 15:01 |
| mihalis68 | I've been out sick and haven't done anything, but we can still do a meeting | 15:01 |
| mihalis68 | #startmeeting Ops Meetup Team | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 13 15:01:45 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ops Meetup Team)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' | 15:01 |
| mihalis68 | I mentioned the opsGuide in my email last week with the links to the meeting minutes and log | 15:02 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 15:02 |
| shintaro | oh hope you are well now. | 15:02 |
| mihalis68 | on the mend, hoping to go back to work tomorrow | 15:02 |
| mihalis68 | #topic actions | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions (Meeting topic: Ops Meetup Team)" | 15:03 | |
| jamesmcarthur | o/ | 15:03 |
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| emccormick | o/ | 15:03 |
| mihalis68 | o/ | 15:03 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 15:03 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | o/ | 15:03 |
| emccormick | Hey Arkady! | 15:04 |
| mihalis68 | actions from last week were:mccormick to email the community for final topics and moderators | 15:04 |
| mihalis68 | mihalis68 to create the meet up #2 2018 etherpad | 15:04 |
| mihalis68 | smcginnis to liaise between PTG and operators for LTS discussion | 15:04 |
| mihalis68 | any comments on those? | 15:05 |
| smcginnis | Still good. I plan on being part of that discussion at the PTG and will bring whatever I learn to the meetup. | 15:05 |
| emccormick | And I was supposed to put out another call for sessions which I"m not actually sure I did now thinking back on it | 15:05 |
| emccormick | but it needs to be done again so I'll do it right after this. | 15:05 |
| mihalis68 | ok thanks. I haven't done anythiung, have been sick | 15:05 |
| mihalis68 | I guess that's it for actions. | 15:06 |
| mihalis68 | #topic tokyo | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "tokyo (Meeting topic: Ops Meetup Team)" | 15:06 | |
| shintaro | We now have 49 registrations | 15:06 |
| mihalis68 | very nice! | 15:06 |
| emccormick | nice | 15:06 |
| shintaro | I've fixed the evening event place. | 15:06 |
| emccormick | Ooer. Where's it at? | 15:07 |
| shintaro | a place with pool tables and darts | 15:07 |
| mihalis68 | good | 15:07 |
| shintaro | kind of party room | 15:07 |
| emccormick | nice | 15:07 |
| smcginnis | Great! | 15:07 |
| shintaro | so I believe the logistics is almost done | 15:07 |
| smcginnis | I haven't booked yet, but wanted to ask first - is there a particular hotel most folks are staying at? | 15:07 |
| mihalis68 | I haven't booked either. I need to get my rear in gear | 15:08 |
| emccormick | I'm at JAL | 15:08 |
| mihalis68 | I'll try to get in there then | 15:08 |
| emccormick | JAL City Tamachi | 15:09 |
| smcginnis | JAL looked nice. I'll take a look again. Thanks! | 15:09 |
| emccormick | cheap as chips and really close by. | 15:09 |
| emccormick | I'm way too lazy to be taking trains first thing in the morning | 15:09 |
| mihalis68 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 15:09 |
| shintaro | I've updated the wiki for that #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Operations/Meetups/TYO-ops-meetup | 15:09 |
| mihalis68 | sorry, didn't provide that. Please add name if here for this meeting | 15:09 |
| smcginnis | Hotels seem pretty good as long as it's not cherry blossom season. ;) | 15:09 |
| mihalis68 | and are we safe from clashing with that? I'm going to guess we're before? | 15:10 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, that's April IIRC. | 15:11 |
| mihalis68 | ok cool | 15:11 |
| shintaro | It's before the cherry blossom season | 15:11 |
| mihalis68 | Shintaro's link shows us that one urgent thing now is moderators. | 15:11 |
| shintaro | right | 15:11 |
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| mihalis68 | erik and I have volunteered for some and sean took another | 15:11 |
| shintaro | we need more | 15:11 |
| shintaro | thanks mihialis68 emccormick | 15:11 |
| emccormick | yeah that will be in my email to the list right after this. | 15:12 |
| smcginnis | I can probably help fill in as needed, but didn't want to put my name down for any others in case a better moderator stepped forward. | 15:12 |
| mihalis68 | actually we | 15:12 |
| emccormick | yeah me either, but can take whatever | 15:12 |
| mihalis68 | we've each got two | 15:12 |
| mihalis68 | who else at todays meeting will attend Tokyo meetup? | 15:12 |
| mihalis68 | is war stories a moderated sessions? or is it one of those open mic things? | 15:13 |
| emccormick | well last time we did it it had an MC | 15:13 |
| emccormick | but mainly just to call people up and keep time | 15:14 |
| shintaro | I heard Anne from the Foundation will be attending. I wonder if she can get some UC topics | 15:14 |
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| emccormick | that was in Philly though. Could be more free-form | 15:14 |
| mihalis68 | I seem to recall something like that in NYC, no? | 15:14 |
| smcginnis | mihalis68: I think so. | 15:14 |
| mihalis68 | that's a fun one, I'll put my name as reserve moderator, until someone else pops up | 15:15 |
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| smcginnis | Dang, no rooms available for HOTEL JAL CITY. | 15:15 |
| emccormick | shintaro Can you ping her and see if she'd be willing, and if she is coming? | 15:15 |
| emccormick | Wow | 15:16 |
| shintaro | I will | 15:16 |
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| mihalis68 | darnit | 15:16 |
| mihalis68 | I'm now listed as moderating three. Out of respect for people's patience I think that's my limit :) | 15:16 |
| emccormick | haha | 15:17 |
| mihalis68 | yeah, Erik your email out to the list is urgent. Not enough people attend this IRC meeting to cover all the sessions | 15:17 |
| emccormick | *nod* | 15:17 |
| emccormick | Composing presently | 15:17 |
| mihalis68 | I'll reply to it threatening to moderate three unless more people step up. That should scare up some participation! :) | 15:18 |
| mihalis68 | anything else for tokyo? | 15:18 |
| shintaro | I will ask the Foundation if they can send email to all current attendees | 15:18 |
| mihalis68 | the foundation eventually granted me admin access to the eventbrite for Mexico City. I would support you asking for that for Tokyo | 15:18 |
| mihalis68 | then you could do it yourself | 15:19 |
| mihalis68 | and there's also minor admin like authorizing refunds for people who cancel | 15:19 |
| shintaro | that sounds great | 15:19 |
| shintaro | I will do that | 15:19 |
| mihalis68 | who is our foundation rep for the evenbrite this time? | 15:19 |
| shintaro | I think Claire is | 15:19 |
| mihalis68 | any other work for Tokyo? | 15:20 |
| mihalis68 | #topic meetup #2 2018 | 15:20 |
| * smcginnis just wants to mention, booking at Hotel Gracery Tamachi instead | 15:20 | |
| *** openstack changes topic to "meetup #2 2018 (Meeting topic: Ops Meetup Team)" | 15:20 | |
| mihalis68 | noted then I'll aim for there | 15:20 |
| mihalis68 | I have a bit of news for this topic | 15:21 |
| mihalis68 | amrith managed to unstick the communication and verizon is interested in being involved with openstack operators meetup #2 2018 | 15:21 |
| mihalis68 | I have a meeting with them this friday, so I should have a real update next week | 15:21 |
| amrith | ./ | 15:21 |
| shintaro | not much Hotels in Tamachi area. Shinagawa area (where the Summit was held) have more nice hotels. | 15:21 |
| amrith | \. | 15:21 |
| amrith | ./ | 15:21 |
| amrith | \. | 15:21 |
| mihalis68 | howdy | 15:21 |
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| amrith | :) | 15:22 |
| amrith | howdy mihalis68 | 15:22 |
| amrith | just taking a victory lap | 15:22 |
| mihalis68 | I was just saying we're meeting this friday I believe? | 15:22 |
| mrhillsman | great, not sure if jamesmcarthur is around but he mentioned it may be a stretch for openstack days nordic to facilitate the space ask | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | I think timing was off for nordic as well. | 15:22 |
| mrhillsman | agreed | 15:23 |
| mihalis68 | not to mention that it didn't meet the regional expectation | 15:23 |
| mihalis68 | although I was very interested in going for the travel and meeting people aspect | 15:23 |
| jamesmcarthur | hi | 15:23 |
| jamesmcarthur | yes, I'm talking with lsell to see if we can come up with some alternates | 15:24 |
| mihalis68 | I guess that's all we can say about meetup #2 so far - likely to be NYC and co-hosted by Bloomberg and Verizon | 15:24 |
| jamesmcarthur | And right... Bloomberg is always an option | 15:24 |
| mihalis68 | or at least there is likely to be an offer of that | 15:24 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 15:24 |
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| mihalis68 | #topic opsguide wiki | 15:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "opsguide wiki (Meeting topic: Ops Meetup Team)" | 15:25 | |
| mihalis68 | I sent the link for this out with last weeks meeting minutes email | 15:25 |
| mihalis68 | an urgent bit of work is folding in feedback from David Medberry. I'm assigning myself that | 15:26 |
| mihalis68 | #action mihalis68 to update OpsGuide wiki with feedback received | 15:26 |
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| mihalis68 | I'd encourage anyone interested to get in touch. It needs a lot of work, but i feel like it's an important doc - could be a great help for new operators | 15:26 |
| mihalis68 | ok, guess no comments. | 15:27 |
| mihalis68 | #topic any other business | 15:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "any other business (Meeting topic: Ops Meetup Team)" | 15:27 | |
| mrhillsman | i'd like to throw a couple things out | 15:28 |
| mrhillsman | 1) ptg, uc will have planning session, inviting all who would like to join | 15:28 |
| mrhillsman | if you will not be physically available, we will have remote connectivity, etherpad will have connection details | 15:29 |
| mrhillsman | 2) just think about how openstack days can be mutually beneficial without being the "midcycle" | 15:30 |
| mrhillsman | i'm sure #2 will come back up in the future | 15:30 |
| smcginnis | I think some form of mini-midcycle at OpenStack Days events would be useful. | 15:30 |
| mihalis68 | that's a good thought, although we have to throw away the label "midcycle" since it's no longer accurate | 15:30 |
| mrhillsman | oh, and uc voting is this week ;) | 15:30 |
| mihalis68 | I just call them ops meetups now | 15:31 |
| mihalis68 | maybe we need an entirely new name | 15:31 |
| mihalis68 | Ops Rumpus? | 15:31 |
| smcginnis | Old habits die hard. ;) | 15:31 |
| mrhillsman | using them as a coduit for the midcycle and forum sticking to our last forum discussion on being better tied into the event cycle for feedback/input | 15:31 |
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| smcginnis | Hah! | 15:31 |
| mrhillsman | s/coduit/conduit | 15:32 |
| shintaro | mrhillsman can you put the link to the PTG etherpad? | 15:32 |
| shintaro | I can't find UC on the #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTG/Rocky/Etherpads | 15:32 |
| mrhillsman | uc specific one not there yet but will be - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTG/Rocky/Etherpads | 15:32 |
| shintaro | ok thanks | 15:33 |
| mrhillsman | yeah, i just got that from smcginnis earlier, seems like it is restricted on who can modify | 15:33 |
| mrhillsman | i'll get it added today | 15:33 |
| mrhillsman | or send out request today rather | 15:33 |
| mihalis68 | the thing I would be interested in hearing about from PTG above all else is the issue of release cadence and possible LTS support | 15:34 |
| smcginnis | mrhillsman: I can edit it if you can't. Just let me know the link. | 15:34 |
| mrhillsman | ah ok | 15:34 |
| mihalis68 | I think a lot of discussion happened after mexico and it eventually died down and I didn't discern what if anything changed | 15:34 |
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| mrhillsman | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ptg-dublin-user-committee | 15:35 |
| smcginnis | UC added - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTG/Rocky/Etherpads | 15:36 |
| mrhillsman | ty sir | 15:36 |
| mrhillsman | oh pff, i can edit lol | 15:37 |
| smcginnis | Hah | 15:37 |
| mrhillsman | i was expecting the [edit] link(s) to show up | 15:37 |
| emccormick | email is out to the list. Sent now so I don't forget ;) | 15:37 |
| mihalis68 | We seem to be out of discussion topics this week? | 15:38 |
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| emccormick | seems so | 15:38 |
| mihalis68 | I see on the user committed etherpad that mrhillsman linked there is the question of release cadence | 15:38 |
| mihalis68 | is that still a live issue? | 15:38 |
| mrhillsman | very much | 15:38 |
| mihalis68 | "Determine final position on release cycles (2 or 1 per year) | 15:39 |
| mihalis68 | UC Working on survey " | 15:39 |
| emccormick | Link in the long ass Thierry thread on the subject | 15:39 |
| smcginnis | Nothing is actively being proposed at the moment, but I think it is something a lot of folks are still interested in discussing. | 15:39 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 15:39 |
| mihalis68 | That seemed like a lot of words signifying "yeah, ... no" | 15:39 |
| mrhillsman | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wu_tKwogCvirDV3kd4YkWa4bWb_UMT4j4llle6j5MRg | 15:39 |
| smcginnis | My feel is there is a general feeling in the community that what we have is not ideal, but no concensus on what would be better. | 15:40 |
| mrhillsman | right now saverio is doing summarizing the two monster threads primarily | 15:40 |
| smcginnis | So it might end up nothing changes, but there is some motivation from different areas to change it. | 15:40 |
| emccormick | Idgaf how long the cadence is if we can hop over releases. | 15:40 |
| mrhillsman | at some point we will send out a very simple survey as well | 15:40 |
| emccormick | hence the request for LTS / FFU | 15:40 |
| mihalis68 | thanks this is very very useful | 15:40 |
| emccormick | You can release once a month if that gets implemented. | 15:41 |
| smcginnis | emccormick: It's a good point. | 15:41 |
| emccormick | We had lots of volunteers from the community to help extend support at the last forum | 15:41 |
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| mrhillsman | well, we had lots of hands raised | 15:42 |
| emccormick | seems maybe that stalled out though since we didn't get down to nitty gritty details on 3rd party CI | 15:42 |
| emccormick | The etherpad contains actual volunteers | 15:42 |
| emccormick | Might be worth a SIG | 15:42 |
| emccormick | depending on the outcome at PTG | 15:42 |
| mrhillsman | right, i mean that hehe | 15:42 |
| smcginnis | There's three main factors to the overall discussion - release cadence, ease of upgrade, and length of support. | 15:42 |
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| mrhillsman | yes, that was mentioned as well | 15:42 |
| mrhillsman | there is a dedicated ptg session as well on this | 15:43 |
| emccormick | excellent | 15:43 |
| mrhillsman | feel free to add anything (concerns/complaints/questions/opinions) to the UC etherpad as well | 15:44 |
| mihalis68 | I guess I'll try to find the resulting commentary when that sessions is complete and understand where PTG attendees minds are on this issue | 15:45 |
| emccormick | And finally, I'm on JAL from ORD - NRT on 3/5 and AA from NRT - DFW on 3/9 if anyone wants a lounge buddy and is on those flights ;) | 15:45 |
| mihalis68 | last call for today's meeting | 15:45 |
| mihalis68 | #endmeeting | 15:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussion of topics related to operating Openstack infrastructures at scale | Mailing list: http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators | Logs: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/" | 15:45 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 13 15:45:58 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2018/ops_meetup_team.2018-02-13-15.01.html | 15:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2018/ops_meetup_team.2018-02-13-15.01.txt | 15:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2018/ops_meetup_team.2018-02-13-15.01.log.html | 15:46 |
| mrhillsman | ttyl | 15:46 |
| smcginnis | Thanks everyone. | 15:46 |
| shintaro | thank hyou all | 15:46 |
| mihalis68 | thanks all | 15:46 |
| mrhillsman | thanks all | 15:46 |
| emccormick | ttyal | 15:46 |
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