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| jiteka | Got a question regarding octavia deployement ? who here use it in production with CentOS based amphora image ? | 14:48 |
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| jiteka | In our cloud environment we are exclusively providing centos based image and I would prefer to avoid mixing it with a ubuntu one just for Octavia | 14:48 |
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| mrhillsman | jiteka openstack-lbs may be able to provide you any common issues or faqs if no one here responds quickly | 15:15 |
| mrhillsman | openstack-lbaas | 15:15 |
| mrhillsman | dang autocorrect | 15:15 |
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| ckonstanski | Have a keystone db_sync issue. Building a brand-new queens cloud. The following command fails: | 15:51 |
| ckonstanski | su -s /bin/sh -c "keystone-manage db_sync" keystone | 15:51 |
| ckonstanski | Getting a pastebin of the stacktrace... | 15:52 |
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| ckonstanski | https://paste.pound-python.org/show/LFpmDcDvHhJh11WxnVY4/ | 15:54 |
| ckonstanski | There are no tables in the keystone database yet. Fresh install. | 15:54 |
| ckonstanski | I suspect either collation or python2.7. (Assuming the db_sync is bug-free) | 15:55 |
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| ckonstanski | Collation is set correectly according to https://docs.openstack.org/install-guide/environment-sql-database-ubuntu.html | 15:57 |
| ckonstanski | Before I uninstall python2.7, is this a known issue? Or is python3 reccomended? | 15:57 |
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| penick | Morning pabelanger | 15:58 |
| pabelanger | penick: morning | 15:59 |
| pabelanger | penick: give me a moment to refresh coffee and we can start | 16:00 |
| penick | No worries :) | 16:00 |
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| pabelanger | okay back | 16:06 |
| penick | wb | 16:06 |
| pabelanger | mnaser: happen to be around, I know you might be interested in the topic we are about to discuss. cc cloudnull, hogepodge | 16:06 |
| cloudnull | o/ | 16:07 |
| penick | Heyoo cloudnull | 16:07 |
| pabelanger | penick: so, not to put you too much on the spot, do you want to maybe give a little overview of what you are looking to do on your side? personally I only caught a 5min discussion at the summit last friday. I have my own personal ideas, but figured having your start is a good place | 16:07 |
| cloudnull | ++ | 16:08 |
| penick | Sure, the quick and fast version is: We run a fairly large infrastructure, and want to donate baremetal resources to the infra team. We'll host the machines, maintain them, etc and give y'all access to em | 16:09 |
| pabelanger | woot! okay, that's basically what I heard too :) | 16:09 |
| mnaser | so i guess someone has to run the cloud itself? | 16:09 |
| penick | yup | 16:09 |
| pabelanger | yah, which I think we have some experience, to various degrees | 16:10 |
| pabelanger | eg: vexxhost, infra-cloud, osic-cloud1 | 16:10 |
| penick | We were going to run it for you, but we're still wrapping up all our ocata upgrades, and the team is pretty maxed out right now. If I gate on their availability it'll be more delays. I'd rather just get you the resources for the gate, etc | 16:10 |
| mnaser | i can volunteer to help run/deploy/maintain the cloud | 16:10 |
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| pabelanger | penick: yes, I think that is a great idea. One idea I always had if we were to rebuild infra-cloud, was move it more to a community based operation team, over openstack-infra. And I think this is a great path forward here | 16:11 |
| pabelanger | I think for almost everything, we could drive it directly from zuul.o.o and ansible | 16:12 |
| pabelanger | and if everybody agree, maybe just use OSA which both cloudnull and mnaser have experience in | 16:12 |
| pabelanger | we don't have to decide now, but maybe one of the first things would be to get an inventory list of the hardware, and see which deployment project we're intersted in using | 16:12 |
| pabelanger | that likely leads to a design discussion and so on | 16:13 |
| penick | Do you have a preference on the hardware specs? | 16:13 |
| mnaser | penick: "POWERRRRRRRRRRR" | 16:13 |
| cloudnull | ++ pabelanger I think thats a good place to start. | 16:13 |
| mnaser | but on that note, the typical vm is 8 vcpus, 8 gb memory, ~80gb storage | 16:13 |
| pabelanger | penick: i am not sure, is there a choice? | 16:13 |
| penick | There..can be :) | 16:14 |
| penick | Ok, the VM spec helps me, actually | 16:14 |
| mnaser | so if you have a few flavors, we can pick the ideal one to be used | 16:14 |
| cloudnull | if power if an option I'd love that! | 16:14 |
| pabelanger | yah, if we are donating the resources to openstack-infra and nodepool, we should be aiming for https://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/contribute-cloud.html as the VM specs | 16:14 |
| cloudnull | :D | 16:14 |
| mnaser | cloudnull: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygBP7MtT3Ac ? | 16:14 |
| pabelanger | oh, are we saying there is difference archs for CPUs? | 16:15 |
| pabelanger | I just assumed x86 | 16:15 |
| cloudnull | I love topgear | 16:15 |
| penick | Is IPv6 ok for most machines, or do you need v4 and v6? | 16:15 |
| pabelanger | penick: we'd love ipv6 I think | 16:15 |
| penick | I saw POWERRRR and thought "Clarkson approach, got it." | 16:15 |
| pabelanger | there would be a need for a few ipv4 from the openstack network, but VMs have no issues doing ipv6 | 16:16 |
| penick | Ok. That's ideal, because public v4 is a limited resource. I'm assuming you'll need some, but if most of the machines can be v6 only that would be ideal | 16:16 |
| pabelanger | agree, and totally think we should aim for that | 16:16 |
| cloudnull | v6 for instances is great, v6 only for host might be a little complicated. if we could have v4 on an rfc1918 or do a dual stack on the hosts that'd be idea. | 16:16 |
| pabelanger | since we are not in an actually meeting today, I'll start taking some notes at: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/T7uUOURdAM | 16:16 |
| pabelanger | cloudnull: yes, I'm happy to defer to both you and mnaser on that front | 16:17 |
| pabelanger | the only IPv4 we really need on nodepool nodes, is for AFS mirror | 16:17 |
| pabelanger | everything else can be IPV6 only | 16:17 |
| penick | Perhaps v6 for instances, dual stack rfc1918 for compute nodes MQ/etc , and duals tack with public IPs for API nodes ? | 16:17 |
| mnaser | for compute nodes and mq, can't we just use an internal network? we don't need them to be exposed to the internet | 16:18 |
| cloudnull | ++ | 16:18 |
| mnaser | so dual stack for compute nodes and mq is unnecessary, ipv4 is enough, if we can setup some sort of jumphost/vpn | 16:18 |
| pabelanger | well, if we can avoid a jump host, that makes things easier for zuul | 16:19 |
| penick | And touching back on the hardware specs, I can easily do machines with 12 cores, 24gb of ram, single 500g SATA drive. Probably can do more ram to let you use up all that CPU | 16:19 |
| pabelanger | but maybe we can dive into details a little more once we get a diagram up for stack | 16:19 |
| pabelanger | let me get stats for infra-cloud hardware to compare | 16:19 |
| mnaser | 12 physical cores? or 24 with ht? | 16:20 |
| penick | 12 physical, 24 vcpus with hyperthreading | 16:20 |
| cloudnull | 6 cores per socket with 2 sockets? | 16:21 |
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| pabelanger | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/system-config/tree/doc/source/infra-cloud.rst?id=d05e28dbd5625bc9f6aa959f086d8bb8f8557df5 | 16:21 |
| pabelanger | that is break down of old infra-cloud | 16:21 |
| pabelanger | The vanilla cloud has 48 machines. Each machine has 96G of RAM, 1.8TiB of disk and | 16:21 |
| pabelanger | 24 Cores of Intel Xeon X5650 @ 2.67GHz processors. | 16:21 |
| pabelanger | The chocolate cloud has 100 machines. Each machine has 96G of RAM, 1.8TiB of disk and | 16:21 |
| pabelanger | 32 Cores of Intel Xeon E5-2670 0 @ 2.60GHz processors. | 16:21 |
| pabelanger | to compare | 16:21 |
| penick | cloudnull yep | 16:22 |
| pabelanger | penick: with the specs you listed, how many machines would that be? | 16:22 |
| cloudnull | penick excellent. | 16:22 |
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| penick | 150 or thereabouts. We might be able to do 96gb, though I need to see what's in inventory | 16:24 |
| pabelanger | sure, we can tuned more I think once we get into design phase | 16:24 |
| pabelanger | penick: any information on networking bandwidth / speeds? | 16:24 |
| pabelanger | and interfaces to the machines | 16:24 |
| mnaser | cloudnull: with 24 vcpus and going with a 4:1 oversubscription ratio, puts us at 96 vcpus. so 96gb of memory could be cool, or we can look at 2:1 to match osic, i will defer to discuss this with cloudnull | 16:25 |
| penick | That i'm not 100% certain of. I would say 10gb, however these are going into a special network backplane, and I need to confirm 10gb is available there. | 16:25 |
| pabelanger | yah, I'm guessing we'd need to benchmark some of that oo | 16:25 |
| penick | single wire nic | 16:25 |
| pabelanger | penick: any ability to do vlans? | 16:26 |
| cloudnull | ++ if we could get machines with >=64GB RAM it'd be wonderful. | 16:26 |
| cloudnull | >=96GB (128GB is what we had in the OSIC) would be fantastic. | 16:26 |
| penick | I think >=64 is doable, i'll check but I think it should be ok. | 16:27 |
| mnaser | yep, to know if we can do vlans is important, but we can work around it.. i think | 16:27 |
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| cloudnull | 24GB will work too. but MOAR is always better :) | 16:27 |
| penick | pabelanger: Depends..Are you asking for access to the switch, or do you mean have these hosts grouped into separate vlans? | 16:27 |
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| cloudnull | we can work with a flat network if we have to. vlan would be ideal. | 16:28 |
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| pabelanger | penick: yah, mostly curious what options we have on the network side, eg: if we need flat as cloudnull says or vlan into different network | 16:29 |
| cloudnull | I personally dont need switch access, if we could just trunk a set of vlans down across the switches we can use vlan tagged interfaces and provider networks where needed. | 16:29 |
| pabelanger | yah, I only ask because I think we had some vlans for infracloud | 16:29 |
| pabelanger | I'd have to double chek | 16:29 |
| penick | Ah, for the compute nodes! Yeah vlan is fine. We'll provide a separate set of vlans and subnets for your instances | 16:29 |
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| penick | Ideally control plane/ compute node/ and instances should all be on separate vlans | 16:30 |
| cloudnull | ++ | 16:30 |
| pabelanger | ++ | 16:30 |
| cloudnull | we dont need to repeat cloud 8 :P | 16:30 |
| pabelanger | Ha | 16:30 |
| pabelanger | penick: any information on OOB management for servers? I'm assuming something ironic already supports | 16:31 |
| penick | I don't think we'll be able to give you access to OOB | 16:31 |
| pabelanger | ah, okay. So will the servers already be provisioned with an operating system? | 16:32 |
| pabelanger | I wasn't sure if that was going to be exposed where we'd use say bifrost to manage the OS / configuration | 16:33 |
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| pabelanger | which we've done in the past again with infracloud | 16:33 |
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| penick | That was the plan. I need to check with the security folks, but perhaps I can give you OOB access. If we have these in dedicated cabinets, with a couple machines set aside as jump hosts and have them dual wired to bridge into the OOB switches. That could work. | 16:34 |
| pabelanger | ++ Yah, I believe that would also work on our side | 16:34 |
| pabelanger | then we could manage the whole stack from the community, if your side is okay with the security | 16:35 |
| penick | Our normal model to donate resources is to handle imaging the hardware on your behalf | 16:35 |
| penick | But, I can check | 16:35 |
| pabelanger | penick: understood, we're happy to work around your policies, but also happy to manage it ourself if given the option | 16:36 |
| pabelanger | mnaser: cloudnull: I take it since neither of you objected to using OSA, there isn't an issue? | 16:36 |
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| mnaser | ++ if we can make your life easier and be more self serve, even better, but if not, no worries | 16:36 |
| pabelanger | penick: do you have any preference to using OSA or other deployment? | 16:36 |
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| mnaser | nope, i am supportive of using openstack ansible but if we have a pressing reason not to, then that's fine | 16:36 |
| penick | no preference | 16:37 |
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| cloudnull | I too am supportive of using OSA ;) | 16:37 |
| pabelanger | I think hogepodge suggested we maybe could CD openstack ansible from master, to help provide feedback to community. But would defer to mnaser and cloudnull for best practice there | 16:37 |
| pabelanger | great! | 16:37 |
| cloudnull | though if we decided to go with something else I'd still be game to help | 16:37 |
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| pabelanger | no, I think OSA is a great idea | 16:38 |
| mnaser | CD OSA from master seems cool but i want to make sure that given we're a smaller group running it, we might have surprises | 16:38 |
| cloudnull | we can CD OSA, we do this at rax for our test clouds. | 16:38 |
| pabelanger | and personally interested in learn more about it :) | 16:38 |
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| pabelanger | mnaser: yah | 16:38 |
| mnaser | but if cloudnull has tinkered in it and feels that it's relatively stable so that we aren't bothering project teams with their jobs messing up i am also up for it | 16:38 |
| cloudnull | but ++ mnaser keeping the group tight will be ideal, as Im sure there will be gremlins | 16:38 |
| pabelanger | okay, I can't really think of anything more on the hardware side, and I missing anything obvious? | 16:39 |
| pabelanger | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/T7uUOURdAM | 16:39 |
| pabelanger | are my notes so far | 16:39 |
| mnaser | i guess nothing in terms of filtering that happens that we have to be aware of? | 16:39 |
| mnaser | blocked ports, etc | 16:39 |
| penick | these'll be pretty much open to the world | 16:39 |
| mnaser | and maybe not that relevant but just to know the rough location of the cloud | 16:39 |
| cloudnull | storage, are we using local storage on the compute hosts? | 16:40 |
| penick | but it would be ideal if you gave us a list of ports you'd like open | 16:40 |
| penick | local storage | 16:40 |
| cloudnull | ++ | 16:40 |
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| penick | My preference (and this might be a security requirement) would be a list of ports by host type, and we'll close the rest off | 16:40 |
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| pabelanger | penick: yah, open to the world if great on our side, especially for VMs. I am sure we could limit is down a bit for the control plane network | 16:40 |
| mnaser | usually vms have everything open, but control plane we can do that | 16:41 |
| cloudnull | ++ | 16:41 |
| pabelanger | sorry, and where did we say this hardware is actually located at? | 16:42 |
| penick | if the vms have everything open, will you be using security groups to close em off? | 16:42 |
| pabelanger | not that it really matters, mostly curious | 16:42 |
| penick | Oh, antarctica | 16:42 |
| pabelanger | penick: our base jobs do setup some basic ports filtering but for the most part jobs don't firewall anything | 16:42 |
| pabelanger | Woah, really? That is awesome | 16:43 |
| penick | jk, gear is located in the US. Can be in the west coast, east coast, or central | 16:43 |
| penick | or spread across all three | 16:43 |
| pabelanger | :D | 16:43 |
| penick | APAC and EMEA are possibilities too, but easier for us if it's in the US | 16:43 |
| pabelanger | penick: okay, but all hardware in a single location right, not some in APAC, EMEA and US | 16:43 |
| penick | By default it would be a single location, or I can have it spread around a bit more if you'd prefer | 16:44 |
| pabelanger | I don't think we have a preference for location, just reliable networking | 16:44 |
| pabelanger | I would guess single location, if that make is easy on oath side. But is we did multi site, maybe we are getting into multiple clouds / regions | 16:45 |
| pabelanger | but I don't think we need to decide today | 16:45 |
| penick | Ok, a single location is easier for us | 16:46 |
| pabelanger | single it is!@ | 16:46 |
| cloudnull | ++ a single region is easier, however multi-region is doable if we want to do it (maybe future?). | 16:47 |
| pabelanger | I guess the last I had for penick, is what sort of timelines would you expect giving access over to community members. There is still a lot to discuss about design of cloud, but is this something you are ready to move on your side or still a ways out | 16:48 |
| penick | I'm ready to start moving now, but i'll need security approval before we can build anything. So assume it'll take a month or two to get everything in place and toss you the keys | 16:49 |
| cloudnull | sounds good! I'm ready whenever. | 16:50 |
| pabelanger | okay, that seem reasonable to me | 16:50 |
| * mnaser is ready too | 16:50 | |
| mnaser | excited to work on this | 16:50 |
| pabelanger | so, with that in mind maybe we first get started on the paper tail bits, maybe setup a weekly meeting, decide to keep using #openstack-operators ML and IRC channel, see if anybody else is interested in help, etc | 16:51 |
| pabelanger | then we can move to a design etherpad to scope our a simple cloud with OSA, being run from zuul.o.o | 16:52 |
| logan- | i have a cloud to volunteer for this if you all are interested in starting to flesh it out the zuul CD on limestone's ci cloud. | 16:52 |
| penick | sounds good to me, as the design comes together i'll be working in parallel to get the infra machinery moving in oath. Once the design is together i'll work on security approvals | 16:53 |
| cloudnull | this channel works well for me and, I hope, brings some visibility to other operators/deployers | 16:53 |
| pabelanger | personally, I think #openstack-operators is a great place to do this, we can get some great community feedback on design, implementation and even running it I think | 16:53 |
| cloudnull | o/ logan- :) | 16:53 |
| pabelanger | logan-: indeed, something to discuss for sure | 16:53 |
| logan- | o/ all | 16:53 |
| pabelanger | okay, I'll compose a basic plan around https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/T7uUOURdAM and post it to the openstack-operators ML, if everybody want to make sure they are subscribed | 16:54 |
| pabelanger | then we can decide to pick a date for a weekly meeting and try to make it somewhat official :) | 16:54 |
| cloudnull | sounds good ! | 16:54 |
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| pabelanger | I am also happy for somebody else to chairs the meetings too, they are at all interested :D | 16:55 |
| pabelanger | or even rotate | 16:55 |
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| cloudnull | a rotation would work well for me | 16:55 |
| pabelanger | ++ | 16:55 |
| cloudnull | a lot of this will be on my own time and I cant guarantee availability during the day | 16:56 |
| cloudnull | im sure others are in this same boat | 16:56 |
| pabelanger | same, this will also be personal for me | 16:56 |
| pabelanger | but happy to help grow community members that are interested in this | 16:56 |
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| pabelanger | cloudnull: logan-: mnaser: penick: thanks for coming out today, expect an recap email and discussion when / where for next IRC meeting | 16:57 |
| mnaser | merci beaucoup | 16:57 |
| penick | Sounds good! | 16:57 |
| penick | thanks, all :) | 16:57 |
| pabelanger | ++ | 16:57 |
| cloudnull | ++ | 16:58 |
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