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| shintaro | o/ | 14:02 |
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| smcginnis | Hey shintaro | 14:02 |
| shintaro | hi smcginnis | 14:02 |
| smcginnis | shintaro: Looks like it's just us today. | 14:03 |
| shintaro | :( | 14:03 |
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| mihalis68_ | o/ | 14:04 |
| shintaro | hi mihalis68 | 14:04 |
| smcginnis | He's alive! | 14:05 |
| mihalis68_ | he he | 14:05 |
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| mihalis68_ | #startmeeting ops-meetup-team | 14:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 28 14:05:50 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' | 14:05 |
| mihalis68_ | how is everyone | 14:06 |
| shintaro | o/ | 14:06 |
| mihalis68_ | I think there's really only one topic, which is pulling together the technical agenda for the PTG | 14:07 |
| smcginnis | Last I looked at the planning etherpad, we were getting a good list of topics at least. | 14:07 |
| shintaro | I see 12 proposals | 14:07 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-ptg-denver-2018 | 14:07 |
| mihalis68_ | also #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 14:09 |
| mihalis68_ | I'm hopelessly backlogged due to vacation and then production emergencies. I'm really pleased to see all this progress. What we need now, I would suggest, is a volunteer to map the proposals to slots | 14:10 |
| mihalis68_ | well volunteered, Erik | 14:11 |
| mihalis68_ | ok just kidding, he's not here | 14:11 |
| smcginnis | I would volunteer, but until we get the rocky release out and I catch up on some other things, I'm a little backlogged too. | 14:11 |
| mihalis68_ | Ok I can have a go at this, but I would need people to give some feedback. If some names are put forward for that bit, I'll try to pull together the agenda and I would say we should review before this time next week | 14:12 |
| mihalis68_ | anyone object? | 14:12 |
| mihalis68_ | alright #action mihalis68 to convert the planning etherpad into a proposed agenda | 14:12 |
| smcginnis | +1 | 14:13 |
| mihalis68_ | attendees here today please add your name to the team etherpad (second link above) | 14:13 |
| shintaro | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EUSYMs3GfglnD8yfFaAXWhLe0F5y9hCUKqCYe0Vp1oA/edit#gid=102346086 | 14:13 |
| shintaro | past planning spreadsheets are here if you like to use it. | 14:13 |
| smcginnis | shintaro: Oh right, I forgot about that. | 14:13 |
| mihalis68_ | Thanks Shintaro. I'll start there | 14:14 |
| mihalis68_ | how would we gather to review? Here? email? | 14:14 |
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| mihalis68_ | hey emccormickva! | 14:15 |
| smcginnis | mihalis68_: Maybe ops mailing list, then try to finalize here next week? | 14:15 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah, that works for me | 14:15 |
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| mihalis68_ | at least email doesn't tell me I'm wrong every week and force me to fiddle with nicknames | 14:15 |
| emccormick | o/ | 14:15 |
| emccormick | sorry, having a war with IRC this morning :( | 14:15 |
| mihalis68_ | me too, me too | 14:16 |
| emccormick | wonder why it thought I was still logged on when my client had been closed for days :P | 14:16 |
| mihalis68_ | so summarising what you missed, I'm going to try and put up a *proposed* agenda on the google docs sheet and then get people's feedback via operators mailing list | 14:16 |
| emccormick | super | 14:16 |
| mihalis68_ | (note to self, maybe should book travel and accomodation to denver also :| | 14:17 |
| mihalis68_ | we are sending just two people and the other guy already booked! | 14:17 |
| emccormick | just bought my plane ticket yesterday. Last piece of the puzzle complete | 14:17 |
| mihalis68_ | I mean already in the sense that I've had weeks and he had a day | 14:17 |
| emccormick | slacker | 14:17 |
| mihalis68_ | totally | 14:18 |
| mihalis68_ | I don't see any foundation folks here, so I guess we can't check on numbers etc | 14:18 |
| emccormick | I need to put it in the etherpad still, but I asked the Kayobe PTL to come talk to us. | 14:18 |
| emccormick | Needs to be Tuesday sometime | 14:18 |
| emccormick | Thought it'd be a good chance for him to get some feedback and people to ask him why his project is necessary ;) | 14:19 |
| emccormick | it's a new deployment project that bolts on to Kolla. | 14:19 |
| smcginnis | In case anyone else had to look that up like me - https://kayobe.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ | 14:19 |
| emccormick | My first question is: Why isn't it part of Kolla | 14:19 |
| emccormick | :) | 14:19 |
| mihalis68_ | I had to look it up, and I'm not ashamed to admit it! | 14:19 |
| emccormick | I did as well | 14:20 |
| mihalis68_ | seems like a really good topic for Denver, emccormick! | 14:20 |
| emccormick | but it looks interesting. I thought maybe others would like to know also | 14:20 |
| emccormick | He clearly needs some PR | 14:20 |
| mihalis68_ | We're still not containerised *hangs head in shame* | 14:20 |
| mihalis68_ | what else should we discuss for Denver? | 14:20 |
| mihalis68_ | make Kayobe the "keynote" for Tuesday? | 14:21 |
| emccormick | Other than agenda, I think Denver is pretty well good to go | 14:21 |
| mihalis68_ | i.e. fun first substantive session? | 14:21 |
| emccormick | Yeah sounds like a good plan. | 14:21 |
| mihalis68_ | is there a plan for ops related monday night social? | 14:21 |
| emccormick | I told him he didn't have to get fancy with it or anything. Just an overview and Q&A | 14:21 |
| mihalis68_ | sorry I'm so out of the loop, driving up mountains last week | 14:21 |
| emccormick | There is desire for it, but no plan. I have a request out to a friend for local suggestions. | 14:22 |
| mihalis68_ | Could you be point person for that then? | 14:22 |
| emccormick | Since we have no sponsor, it'll probably be an organic formation that day | 14:22 |
| emccormick | yeah ok | 14:22 |
| mihalis68_ | and again I would say coordinate that via operators mailing list | 14:22 |
| mihalis68_ | ok cool | 14:22 |
| shintaro | some proposals on the etherpad already. | 14:22 |
| mihalis68_ | #action emccormick to pull together ideas for monday night ops related social in Denver | 14:23 |
| mihalis68_ | the other topic I had in mind was the operators-related openstack docs | 14:24 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic operators docs | 14:24 |
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| mihalis68_ | smcginnis I see we had a patch proposed for the operators guide, and then lots of +1s, then he abandoned it, and now questions about having to sign something? | 14:25 |
| mihalis68_ | Can you comment on whether that process is working? I am confused. | 14:25 |
| mihalis68_ | I managed to get to the point of +1ing the change | 14:25 |
| smcginnis | mihalis68_: We had a few patches go through. I didn't look at that abandoned one. | 14:25 |
| smcginnis | mihalis68_: I think you should be able to +2 and approve as well. | 14:25 |
| mihalis68_ | is it the low-drag process we hoped for? | 14:25 |
| smcginnis | There was the question on the ML about whether contributors needed to sign the Contributor License Agreement and it was confirmed they do not for this repo. | 14:26 |
| smcginnis | Which I think is good. | 14:26 |
| mihalis68_ | I guess I'll watch it and learn more about how it works | 14:27 |
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| mihalis68_ | It's still on my mind that we were considering pulling the HA guide into this process and encouraging Adam Speirs(?) to do the rewrite he offered | 14:27 |
| emccormick | spotz has agreed to help with getting people set up in Denver | 14:27 |
| mihalis68_ | maybe it was speith? | 14:27 |
| emccormick | definitely going to avail myself of that | 14:27 |
| mihalis68_ | me too | 14:27 |
| smcginnis | mihalis68_: Adam Speirs (sp?) I believe. | 14:28 |
| smcginnis | Not in this channel at any rate. | 14:28 |
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| mihalis68_ | I'm sure I had his name in prior meeting logs from these meetings | 14:29 |
| shintaro | Hes Adam Spiers (aspires( | 14:29 |
| mihalis68_ | I'm going to try and work on the document we have in this pipeline first to understand it better before contacting Adam | 14:30 |
| mihalis68_ | Thanks shintaro | 14:30 |
| shintaro | aspieres | 14:30 |
| shintaro | no | 14:30 |
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| shintaro | aspiers | 14:30 |
| mrhillsman | Does mihalis68_ not have +2 for the docs repo? | 14:31 |
| mihalis68_ | I'm told I do. I thought it would be really presumptuous to +2 something as my first action | 14:31 |
| mrhillsman | Sorry catching up | 14:31 |
| mihalis68_ | welcome back! | 14:32 |
| mihalis68_ | I did +1 a patch and I think that worked. | 14:32 |
| mrhillsman | Not at all :) especially since you're probably most familiar with how it is setup | 14:32 |
| mrhillsman | thx | 14:32 |
| mihalis68_ | oh other people did all the work (smcginnis in particular) | 14:32 |
| smcginnis | mihalis68_: If you want to +2 but not approve, you can just ping me if you think something is ready to be approved for now until you're more comfortable. | 14:33 |
| mihalis68_ | that's a good idea | 14:33 |
| mihalis68_ | thanks! | 14:33 |
| smcginnis | Good to have real operator experience since I only play one on TV. | 14:33 |
| mihalis68_ | ok I sense there's not much more to be had from this meeting | 14:33 |
| mihalis68_ | so #topic any other business | 14:33 |
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| mihalis68_ | oh yes early-bird pricing on Berlin expires soon | 14:34 |
| emccormick | We shouldn't need it | 14:34 |
| emccormick | though I'm not sure how we go about registering for Berlin with our PTG pass? | 14:34 |
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| smcginnis | After the PTG you will get a code to allow free registration. | 14:34 |
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| shintaro | +1 | 14:35 |
| smcginnis | It's a little confusing with bad timing since they send out these emails saying "register now!" but really if you are going to the PTG you should wait. | 14:35 |
| mihalis68_ | this is really good info! | 14:35 |
| mihalis68_ | Ill probably try to make Berlin, can't say for sure | 14:36 |
| mihalis68_ | I've gone from never travelling on business to like 5-6 times/year. Wife not thrilled | 14:36 |
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| spotz | sorry I'm late | 14:37 |
| smcginnis | I know how that goes. | 14:37 |
| mihalis68_ | hi there | 14:37 |
| mihalis68_ | how are PTG numbers? | 14:37 |
| smcginnis | emccormick did you want to pair up with spotz and PTG outing? | 14:37 |
| emccormick | sure! | 14:38 |
| emccormick | mihalis68_ bring wifey to Berlin with you :) | 14:38 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 14:38 |
| emccormick | Christmas markets might even be started by then | 14:38 |
| mihalis68_ | I think we're done here, work moves to mailing list for immediacy over the next week and hopefully in one weeks time we'll be able to confirm the agenda and tell everyone where the beer... I mean social event will be | 14:39 |
| emccormick | I put the Kayobe thing on the etherpad | 14:39 |
| mihalis68_ | great, thanks! | 14:39 |
| spotz | I'm still trying to get confirmation from SUSE on whether they can do the troubleshooting session. We have a deadline to know by? | 14:39 |
| emccormick | spotz: we can always shuffle at the last minute | 14:40 |
| mihalis68_ | well we can only do one more IRC meeting before being in Denver, so it would be nice at least to know by this time next week | 14:40 |
| spotz | Ok I'll poke again | 14:40 |
| emccormick | I guess we need to determine how the agenda is getting printed, or if it is at all. | 14:41 |
| emccormick | Maybe the google doc is sufficient and more fluid | 14:41 |
| spotz | If anyone'll be at Open Source Summit this week be happy totouch base on anything | 14:41 |
| smcginnis | We could just put the agenda up on the screen at the start of the event and during breaks. That could allow us to be a little flexible if we need to shift things around. | 14:41 |
| spotz | emccormick: etherpad:) | 14:41 |
| mihalis68_ | previously it was nicely designed and printed, that's a good point | 14:41 |
| emccormick | *nod* | 14:41 |
| mihalis68_ | however that process was ... painful | 14:41 |
| mihalis68_ | almost by definition the deadline for going to print is before when you know that all sessions really are going to happen | 14:42 |
| mihalis68_ | (it was painful for the NYC one) | 14:42 |
| emccormick | spotz or etherpad ;) | 14:42 |
| emccormick | agreed | 14:42 |
| emccormick | keep it electronic then | 14:42 |
| mihalis68_ | works for me | 14:42 |
| smcginnis | With past PTG sessions, it's worked well to have a rough agenda and just work our way through the topics. Then if something only ends up taking 10 minutes, we can take a break and move on. And if something ends up being a bigger discussion than planned we are flexible enough to not have to kill a productive conversation. | 14:43 |
| mihalis68_ | we can at least break it out from the google doc when it's close to done. At least for me, google docs access is difficult | 14:43 |
| mihalis68_ | (blocked entirely on my employers network) | 14:43 |
| mihalis68_ | smcginnis I like that | 14:43 |
| spotz | I know some countries have trouble with google | 14:44 |
| mihalis68_ | this again moves towards working sessions, not presentations | 14:44 |
| emccormick | keeps from having a moderator standing up there talking to a dead room for 40 minutes also ;) | 14:44 |
| mihalis68_ | although that would never happen, right? RIGHT? | 14:44 |
| smcginnis | :) | 14:44 |
| emccormick | no never | 14:45 |
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| mihalis68_ | #agreed ops meetup agenda for PTG will be a) electronic b) more flexible | 14:46 |
| smcginnis | Worth a shot to see how it goes. | 14:46 |
| shintaro | +1 | 14:46 |
| emccormick | +1 | 14:46 |
| emccormick | :) | 14:46 |
| mihalis68_ | oh ... darnit... just realised we're going to have to round up moderators for all these sessions and that's even harder than putting together a topic list on the sheet | 14:46 |
| spotz | heheh | 14:47 |
| smcginnis | Another plea to the ML? | 14:47 |
| emccormick | yeah. There's a few volunteers on there at least | 14:47 |
| mihalis68_ | yes, I think with a link to the rough draft agenda | 14:47 |
| mihalis68_ | containers: erik | 14:48 |
| mihalis68_ | ffwd upgrades: erik | 14:48 |
| mihalis68_ | docs: erik | 14:48 |
| mihalis68_ | I'm getting the hang of it already | 14:48 |
| emccormick | *snort* | 14:48 |
| emccormick | Simon volunteered for containers. One less for me. Wheeee! | 14:48 |
| mihalis68_ | excellent | 14:49 |
| mihalis68_ | alright, any more business? | 14:49 |
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| emccormick | fyi my intent is to just go down the hall monday afternoon for upgrades | 14:49 |
| emccormick | I see no reason we shouldn't just do that as a group since it's always the hot topic of the meetups | 14:49 |
| emccormick | if you think it's a terrible idea just say so, but I think that'd be most productive all around. | 14:50 |
| spotz | I think some of the projects like OSA might like to meet with OPs folks | 14:50 |
| emccormick | I think some of those were after our meetup is done? | 14:51 |
| emccormick | lost the damn schedule again. | 14:51 |
| mihalis68_ | I can tell this is going to be like 9-D chess | 14:52 |
| spotz | emccormick: Yeah but if we don't have a full agenda, offering to meet with the deployment projects might not be a bad idea | 14:52 |
| emccormick | oh yeah | 14:52 |
| mihalis68_ | two events side by side, related communities, variable length sessions | 14:52 |
| emccormick | spotz yes I'm all for it | 14:52 |
| emccormick | we're going to need so run the agenda through CI | 14:53 |
| emccormick | ok, Chris do the draft | 14:53 |
| mihalis68_ | there's a tension here. A single track can compress some sessions and lengthen others | 14:53 |
| emccormick | we'll see what it looks like and massage as needed | 14:53 |
| mihalis68_ | but a multi-track event can't allow that, or nobody will be able to switch tracks | 14:53 |
| emccormick | well, we can pull some folks in to our track | 14:54 |
| emccormick | and in the case of upgrades we'll take our track to them | 14:54 |
| mihalis68_ | you wont be able to say "after ceph I'm going to designate" if ceph can run long and maybe overlap the other | 14:54 |
| emccormick | otherwise it'll be things after the meetup | 14:54 |
| spotz | Well we could time our sessions to the same lengths as PTG | 14:55 |
| emccormick | we definitely should sync it as much as possible | 14:55 |
| emccormick | it's like half day blocks though, right? | 14:55 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah, but sean was saying we can cut some sessions down in length if they're not working. That flexibility has a cost if nobody can actually know when later sessions will start | 14:55 |
| smcginnis | The PTGbot helps with tracking cross-track things. | 14:55 |
| emccormick | mihalis68_ The flexibility is within a large block | 14:56 |
| smcginnis | Since most of them don't have set time blocks, there's a bot in the #openstack-ptg channel that folks can state their current topics and what they plan to talk about next. | 14:56 |
| smcginnis | The bot takes care of updating that on the PTG web page. | 14:56 |
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| smcginnis | There's still some old data from the last PTG - http://ptg.openstack.org/ptg.html | 14:56 |
| emccormick | where is that web page btw? | 14:57 |
| shintaro | cool | 14:57 |
| mihalis68_ | maybe we should think about going "full PTG"? (you never go full ptg!) | 14:57 |
| mihalis68_ | i.e. throw away the rigid scheduling style of previous independent ops meetups | 14:58 |
| mihalis68_ | (although... I've never done PTG nor used PTGbot and there will be lots like me) | 14:58 |
| emccormick | mihalis68_ Let's at least do a draft the old way | 14:58 |
| mihalis68_ | ok | 14:58 |
| emccormick | call it a suggested guide if you want | 14:58 |
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| emccormick | we need some structure. Maybe just not so much as before | 14:58 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 14:59 |
| emccormick | you could say topics A - E Monday morning | 14:59 |
| emccormick | AFternoon is all upgrades with the upgrade SIG | 14:59 |
| emccormick | Tuesday morning G - K, Tuesday afternoon L - P | 14:59 |
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| spotz | That should work | 15:00 |
| emccormick | and then we can flex within those blocks if needed, or shift something to another block, but at least we make sure everything has a place and gets covered | 15:00 |
| mihalis68_ | well, we're out of time! Thanks all and I suggest we carry this onwards on the mailing list | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | Thanks! | 15:01 |
| mihalis68_ | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussion of topics related to operating Openstack infrastructures at scale | Mailing list: http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators | Logs: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 28 15:01:23 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2018/ops_meetup_team.2018-08-28-14.05.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2018/ops_meetup_team.2018-08-28-14.05.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2018/ops_meetup_team.2018-08-28-14.05.log.html | 15:01 |
| shintaro | thank you all | 15:01 |
| emccormick | o/ tata | 15:01 |
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| spotz | thanks! | 15:02 |
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