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| smcginnis | o/ | 14:01 |
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| mihalis68_ | o/ | 14:02 |
| mihalis68_ | #startmeeting ops-meetup-team | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 18 14:03:05 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' | 14:03 |
| mihalis68_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 14:03 |
| mihalis68_ | I put together an agenda, however I expect this meeting to be thinly attended and quick, which seems appropriate after how much time a lot of us put in last week | 14:03 |
| mihalis68_ | most of the hot topics right now are on the further work etherpad I added to the ops meetup planning etherpad | 14:04 |
| mihalis68_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-denver-2018-further-work | 14:04 |
| mihalis68_ | smcginnis I see you've been busy on the ha-guide | 14:04 |
| smcginnis | Trying to get a few of the things out of the way to get it ready. ;) | 14:05 |
| mihalis68_ | one thing I am not sure about, your patch to remove publishing of ha-guide from docs.o.o has a comment from andrea jaeger about "please remove ha-guide-draft also". Not sure about that | 14:05 |
| mihalis68_ | isn't that where adam is working for now? | 14:05 |
| smcginnis | Ah, I didn't see that yet. | 14:05 |
| smcginnis | I will respond there. Yes, that's the content I think Adam is planning on moving over. | 14:05 |
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| mihalis68_ | it could publish from either the current or the new place, but we'd surely have to ask Adam what he prefers, right? | 14:06 |
| mihalis68_ | well, we can work that out outside this meeting | 14:07 |
| smcginnis | Yeah | 14:07 |
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| mihalis68_ | The other related thing is the proper SIG landing page for Operations Docs SIG. I was able to create that after Jeremy pointed out how I should go about it. I was thinking like a Confluence user. Bah! | 14:08 |
| smcginnis | :) | 14:09 |
| smcginnis | Oh well, as long as it gets done in the end. | 14:09 |
| mihalis68_ | I made the page, but it's not linked anywhere (just remembered). Danger... | 14:09 |
| mihalis68_ | let me dig o ut the link and post it here | 14:09 |
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| smcginnis | I can submit a patch to update the SIG list to point to the new page. | 14:09 |
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| shintaro | hi | 14:10 |
| mihalis68_ | here we go #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Operation_Docs_SIG | 14:10 |
| mihalis68_ | it's pretty feeble... ok let's call it minimalist | 14:10 |
| mihalis68_ | hi shintaro | 14:11 |
| mihalis68_ | we're still discussing actions | 14:11 |
| mihalis68_ | I don't think you have any :) | 14:11 |
| smcginnis | Hey shintaro. Were you affected by the storm? | 14:11 |
| shintaro | No my trip home was peaseful :) | 14:12 |
| shintaro | peaceful | 14:12 |
| mihalis68_ | I saw some videos of that storm, terrifying | 14:12 |
| smcginnis | Good to hear! | 14:12 |
| mihalis68_ | glad to hear you're not affected | 14:12 |
| mihalis68_ | shintaro since you headed out I think we have one additional etherpad (linked above and on the agenda) of ongoing work from the meetup | 14:13 |
| mihalis68_ | I think I wrote it Wednesday afternoon | 14:14 |
| mihalis68_ | I'm working my way through that doc and talking to the people mentioned. Sean is through with most of his items and I'm almost done too. The one thing that needs debate there is the shopping list of "we should" items from the "All Things Containers" double session | 14:16 |
| spotz | Hey! | 14:16 |
| mihalis68_ | not sure if it's right to go through them here? or just ask people to take the actions they agree with by updating the etherpad | 14:16 |
| smcginnis | Mornin' spotz | 14:16 |
| mihalis68_ | hi spotz! | 14:16 |
| shintaro | which etherpad? | 14:16 |
| mihalis68_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-denver-2018-further-work | 14:17 |
| shintaro | thanks | 14:17 |
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| mihalis68_ | any more updates on actions from last week or previous meetings? | 14:18 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic Denver ops meetup | 14:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Denver ops meetup (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:18 | |
| mihalis68_ | So! Thoughts...? | 14:18 |
| shintaro | seems great work! | 14:18 |
| mihalis68_ | maybe we already exhausted this topic, but I find a little distance helps it snap into focus | 14:19 |
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| mihalis68_ | My feelings are the room and facilities were good enough | 14:19 |
| mihalis68_ | however it not being a separate event - no numbers, no attendees list, was an issue | 14:20 |
| mihalis68_ | I also should have done more on the agenda finalising. We had approximately the same number of sesssion ideas as slots, so that seemed easy | 14:20 |
| smcginnis | It's odd that I both feel like we had great turn out, and that we were way short of some past events. | 14:20 |
| spotz | Well I can tell you about 70-75 stickers were passed out i room. There were a couple can I have anothers | 14:20 |
| mihalis68_ | however some of the sessions shoud have been examined more closely | 14:20 |
| mihalis68_ | Simon Leinen pointed out that we successfully brought more developers in, yet got fewer operators | 14:21 |
| mihalis68_ | particularly short on european operators | 14:21 |
| spotz | Yeah I was about to say that | 14:21 |
| shintaro | turned out very small numbers of ops maybe less than 10? | 14:21 |
| mihalis68_ | depends on how strictly you define it and in which session | 14:21 |
| spotz | I think more then 10 but some were ops/upstream folks | 14:21 |
| mihalis68_ | I feel like day 1 was a success until we tried to merge into upgrade sig. That should have been coordinated with that sig | 14:22 |
| smcginnis | Agree | 14:22 |
| shintaro | +1 | 14:22 |
| mihalis68_ | on day 2 it was mostly better, but the Storyboard proposal was difficult, and then the SuSE thing was a lab (I loved it, but not an ops working session really) | 14:22 |
| mihalis68_ | also it's very hard to get late topics into the day. I shoved Matt Reideman's things in, but he didn't see our attempts to contact him (several actually) | 14:23 |
| mihalis68_ | they seemed really important | 14:23 |
| mihalis68_ | things like late-breaking "do this or die" upgrade requirements | 14:23 |
| mihalis68_ | the question is do we move entirely to PTG style totally fluid schedule? Or do we backtrack to the rigidly scheduled daily agenda of previous successful ops meetups? | 14:24 |
| mihalis68_ | we fell between stools there, in my opinion | 14:24 |
| mihalis68_ | Ops Meetups had a schedule that was finalised, printed, handed out. You can have it in your pocket | 14:25 |
| mihalis68_ | PTG has a bot and an IRC channel etc | 14:25 |
| smcginnis | Maybe first, what are everyone's thoughts on doing it with the PTG again next time in Denver? | 14:26 |
| shintaro | if we do a stand alone event, fixed agenda works better IMHO | 14:26 |
| spotz | I think if you have known topics you can do a printed schedule but if you're trying to fit others in you need to be more fluid | 14:26 |
| mihalis68_ | After the strict 2 days, some of us conferred with : Keystone team, OS User Committee, Self-Healing SIG. I definitely had a solid 4 days of good work, but definitely things to adjust for the embedded ops meetup itself | 14:26 |
| mihalis68_ | smcginnis that would be next may? | 14:27 |
| smcginnis | Late April I think. | 14:27 |
| spotz | As an ops person I never used to get to go to things so if companies will send folks I think it's a question of how many things and then which holds more value | 14:28 |
| mihalis68_ | correction: april | 14:28 |
| spotz | Yeah it's the last week of April | 14:28 |
| smcginnis | I see some great benefits for being at the PTG. I just don't want to lose folks. | 14:28 |
| mihalis68_ | so for anyone who wasn't there, a very strong positive is the feedback that future dedicated ops meetups would be of interest | 14:28 |
| mihalis68_ | I think those events can be just like previous successul ones (nyc, milan say) | 14:29 |
| spotz | Being with the summit might help that though smcginnis, I send my folks to 1-2 things a year vs 4. But can they afford to be gone longer | 14:29 |
| mihalis68_ | the next denver event is pencilled in to be 6 days long | 14:29 |
| mihalis68_ | I do find that a tough prospect, personally | 14:29 |
| mihalis68_ | Summit/forum for 3 days, PTG for 3 days | 14:30 |
| spotz | I'm usually there for like 10 days with OUI, board meetings, summit, etc | 14:30 |
| smcginnis | If we limit the ops meetup to two days, that would be three days for the Summit and Forum, then two dedicated days for the ops meetup. | 14:30 |
| shintaro | being qith PTG was good to have cross project-ops discussion, but that may overlap with the Forum | 14:30 |
| smcginnis | shintaro: Good point. | 14:30 |
| mihalis68_ | is forum during M-W in Denver? | 14:31 |
| smcginnis | Yep | 14:31 |
| mihalis68_ | trying to find out an optimal thing here is making my brain melt | 14:31 |
| mihalis68_ | some summits I have been the only representative from Bloomberg Engineering | 14:32 |
| mihalis68_ | so there's technical track and summit track sessions conflicting during the summit days, and then arguably we need to talk to people at PTG and now we might do ops meetup at the same time as that again. GAHHH | 14:33 |
| spotz | heheh | 14:33 |
| smcginnis | mihalis68_: Do you think you would be able to get approval to send more people if you can say it's also an ops meetup? | 14:33 |
| mihalis68_ | I'm trying to bring at least one more next time. | 14:34 |
| mihalis68_ | just to make sure we get through meeting business, I'd like to point out that the topic selection etherpad is up for the forum in Berlin | 14:34 |
| mihalis68_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-forum-stein | 14:35 |
| mihalis68_ | Erik put it up last week | 14:35 |
| mihalis68_ | we should get some topics submitted ASAP | 14:35 |
| mihalis68_ | and then (and perhaps everyone knows) there's interest in a standalone ops meetup next year in Europe | 14:35 |
| mihalis68_ | the cool thing is my boss thinks I should see if Bloomberg can host it, we have offices in Frankfurt and Lugano | 14:36 |
| mihalis68_ | so I'll look into that | 14:36 |
| mihalis68_ | that meetup may have a themed track - perhaps "research" | 14:36 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 14:36 |
| mihalis68_ | (covering academic and scientific orgs as well as normal commercial) | 14:36 |
| shintaro | wow! | 14:36 |
| smcginnis | I think that would be very well attended. | 14:37 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah, as I've mentioned before, Bloomberg particularly likes and supports the ops meetups | 14:37 |
| spotz | Cool | 14:37 |
| smcginnis | Maybe for now, that stand alone event should be our focus and we should give time for folks to think about the Summit/Forum/PTG/OpsMeetup after that. | 14:37 |
| smcginnis | We have time. | 14:38 |
| mihalis68_ | I agree about not worrying about Denver 2019 | 14:38 |
| mihalis68_ | but Berlin is relatively soon | 14:38 |
| mihalis68_ | so please submit topics | 14:38 |
| mihalis68_ | I guess one could be "Ops Meetup #1, 2019, Europe" :) | 14:39 |
| mihalis68_ | thoughts? | 14:39 |
| smcginnis | Sounds good to me. | 14:39 |
| shintaro | sure Forum submission is what we need to focus at the moment | 14:39 |
| smcginnis | Right | 14:39 |
| mihalis68_ | #action mihalis68_ to propose a forum session on the possible 1st ops meetup of 2019 (europe) | 14:40 |
| mihalis68_ | we ripped through the topics I had | 14:41 |
| mihalis68_ | Everybody is probably busy with other stuff, I get it | 14:41 |
| mihalis68_ | so #topic any other business | 14:42 |
| smcginnis | Can someone send out that forum topic etherpad link to the ops mailing list to solicit ideas? | 14:42 |
| smcginnis | Or was that done already? | 14:42 |
| * smcginnis is still catching up on some things | 14:42 | |
| mihalis68_ | wont hurt to do it again | 14:42 |
| mihalis68_ | #action mihalis68 to forward the forum planning etherpad to the mailing list | 14:42 |
| mihalis68_ | not exactly actions, but a couple of thigns I want to take care of : mention ways to get on IRC if you're in my situation (corporate firewalls) in the openstack irc help pages | 14:43 |
| mihalis68_ | and get my teeth into the ops docs | 14:43 |
| smcginnis | So priority now is forum topics, then pulling together early 2019 stand alone European ops meetup. Then deciding if we need to adjust anything for the spring summit. | 14:44 |
| smcginnis | Good ideas mihalis68_ | 14:44 |
| shintaro | sounds great | 14:44 |
| mihalis68_ | spotz is the SUSE lab released on github plus the image? | 14:45 |
| mihalis68_ | I was going to see if it works on our clusters | 14:45 |
| mihalis68_ | I'll follow-up on that offline | 14:46 |
| mihalis68_ | ok, last call - any more for any more? | 14:46 |
| smcginnis | Nope | 14:46 |
| shintaro | none from me | 14:46 |
| mihalis68_ | ok, thanks everyone. I tried to drum up a bit more interest this week by forwarding the ICS link to the mailing list. Perhaps if I keep doing that I'll eventually get some more people to join us | 14:47 |
| mihalis68_ | #endmeeting | 14:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussion of topics related to operating Openstack infrastructures at scale | Mailing list: http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators | Logs: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/" | 14:47 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 18 14:47:36 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2018/ops_meetup_team.2018-09-18-14.03.html | 14:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2018/ops_meetup_team.2018-09-18-14.03.txt | 14:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2018/ops_meetup_team.2018-09-18-14.03.log.html | 14:47 |
| smcginnis | Thanks mihalis68_ | 14:47 |
| shintaro | thank you all! | 14:48 |
| spotz | Thanks! | 14:51 |
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| mihalis68_ | not a minuted discussion: anyone feel like me writing a "post-mortem" for this event for the mailing list would be worthwhile? | 14:55 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 14:56 |
| smcginnis | Not to create extra work for you mihalis68_, but I think that would be very beneficial. | 14:56 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah | 14:56 |
| mihalis68_ | I kind of want to, because we need a little bit more help I feel | 14:56 |
| mihalis68_ | I'll send something out later today. If i delay much longer it wont be fresh | 14:57 |
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| mihalis68_ | email sent | 18:21 |
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| smcginnis | Really good write up mihalis68_ | 18:40 |
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| mihalis68_ | Thanks! | 18:53 |
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| mihalis68_ | thoughts about cross-posting that to openstack-dev too? | 19:30 |
| mihalis68_ | I hate to spam, but the -operators list does not seem to connect with many real operators these days | 19:31 |
| smcginnis | I think that would be useful. | 19:31 |
| smcginnis | Might be good for folks there to know what's going on, and possibly for those that participated this time that couldn't normally to provide some feedback. | 19:31 |
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| mihalis68_ | done | 19:33 |
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| mihalis68_ | ok, no kidding around this time - done | 19:36 |
| smcginnis | :) | 19:40 |
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| medberry | logged in via webchat from an aircraft via wifi | 20:31 |
| medberry | used my already established and registered nick | 20:32 |
| medberry | seems to work fine via freenode's webchat.freenode.net | 20:32 |
| medberry | mihalis68_: see above | 20:32 |
| medberry | thanks for the email thread | 20:32 |
| medberry | ending my not very useful webchat in-air experience | 20:32 |
| smcginnis | Safe travels | 20:33 |
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| med_ | and this is via my normal, every day, hexchat linux app | 20:33 |
| med_ | and med_ and medberry are both the same underlying account. | 20:34 |
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| mihalis68_ | oh sure, when you have a registered nickname you're good | 20:59 |
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