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| mihalis68_ | etherpad isn't working for me right now | 12:53 |
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| mihalis68_ | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/thMldQa9/ | 12:53 |
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| smcginnis | mihalis68_: I think they just recently updated our etherpad-lite deployment. | 12:57 |
| smcginnis | mihalis68_: A lot of the functionality is client-side javascript in your browser, and browsers tend to cache a lot. | 12:57 |
| smcginnis | Try going to the link and pressing command+shift+r to do a full refresh. | 12:58 |
| smcginnis | Sometimes that helps me after etherpad upgrades. | 12:58 |
| mihalis68_ | I already restarted safari and that fixed it, thanks for the tip though! | 12:58 |
| smcginnis | Cool. Maybe it will help after next upgrade. | 12:58 |
| mihalis68_ | I'll see you in an hour, although I don't have any progress to report this week on ops stuff | 12:59 |
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| smcginnis | 'bout that time | 14:00 |
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| mihalis68_ | o/ | 14:04 |
| simon-AS559 | o/ | 14:04 |
| mihalis68_ | #startmeeting ops-meetup-team | 14:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 23 14:04:35 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' | 14:04 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic actions | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:05 | |
| smcginnis | o/ | 14:05 |
| mihalis68_ | I recall we had actions to set up the etherpads for our sessions in Berlin. I haven't done mine | 14:05 |
| mihalis68_ | anyone else anything to report? I'll get mine done today | 14:06 |
| spotz | o/ | 14:06 |
| smcginnis | I was out most of last week, so nothing to report from me. | 14:06 |
| mihalis68_ | I did notify the list about our resolutions last week | 14:07 |
| mihalis68_ | namely: social on the tuesday in berlin | 14:07 |
| mihalis68_ | and then longer-term, strong support for two ops meetups next year, roughly in-between summits | 14:07 |
| mihalis68_ | and as mentioned last week I'm still working on getting together an offer to host in frankfurt early next year | 14:08 |
| mihalis68_ | any other updates re: actions? | 14:08 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 14:08 |
| mihalis68_ | hi there! | 14:08 |
| smcginnis | Was there any response on the mailing list on the plan for two separate meetups? | 14:08 |
| spotz | I hadn't seen any | 14:09 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah I just looked, no response | 14:11 |
| simon-AS559 | "silence is consent" | 14:11 |
| mihalis68_ | it's hard to tell if it's that or if there's nobody reading the messages | 14:12 |
| mihalis68_ | maybe I'm just paranoid | 14:12 |
| spotz | Well we can always bring it up in Berlin | 14:12 |
| smcginnis | Always the question with those kinds of posts. :) | 14:12 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic berlin | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "berlin (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:12 | |
| spotz | tada:) | 14:12 |
| mihalis68_ | in case anyone missed last weeks meeting, the sessions I submitted weren't finalized, however they were rescued, hence ops meetups team catch-up, operators documents and a cceph session are on the schedule | 14:13 |
| mihalis68_ | those are emccormick, smcginnis and myself respectively. etherpads to come shortly | 14:13 |
| mihalis68_ | the only other thing the meetups team needs to do is arrange the specific operators related social | 14:13 |
| mihalis68_ | emccormick was researching venues | 14:13 |
| mihalis68_ | he was here earlier, I guess he's nipped out? | 14:15 |
| smcginnis | I've started an etherpad for the session I'm moderating and added it to the overall Forum list: | 14:15 |
| smcginnis | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Berlin2018 | 14:15 |
| mihalis68_ | oh nice! | 14:15 |
| mihalis68_ | I'll follow along | 14:15 |
| mihalis68_ | get mine started and linked today | 14:16 |
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| mihalis68_ | I guess there's no update on the social venue. Anything else we need to talk about for berlin? | 14:17 |
| mihalis68_ | I'm going to the ceph day on the monday, by the way | 14:17 |
| simon-AS559 | Me too! (even got a talk accepted) | 14:17 |
| mihalis68_ | oh cool! | 14:18 |
| mihalis68_ | share the title here? I'll make sure to attend! | 14:18 |
| smcginnis | Oh good. I can't attend, but it sounds like it will be a great one for you folks to be at. | 14:18 |
| simon-AS559 | "Into the cold—Object Storage in SWITCHengines" | 14:20 |
| mihalis68_ | I'm sure there sill be a Cephalopods Unite event after | 14:20 |
| mihalis68_ | Oh your objects are cold? that's nice... :) | 14:20 |
| mihalis68_ | we built an object store for large cold storage | 14:20 |
| mihalis68_ | everyone turned up with primary small object high iops workload :| | 14:21 |
| simon-AS559 | We're planning on building long-term storage, and are thinking about ways to prevent that from happening | 14:21 |
| simon-AS559 | (i.e. people moving from our existing object (and other) storage offerings to cold storage just because it's cheaper, but expecting to use it like before) | 14:22 |
| mihalis68_ | then I DEFINITELY need to listen to the talk | 14:22 |
| mihalis68_ | ok, I've lead us somewhat off-topic | 14:23 |
| mihalis68_ | any more regarding berlin as a whole? | 14:23 |
| mihalis68_ | Oh, one thing... several of us joined a group chat for various past events. I find that really handy | 14:24 |
| mihalis68_ | I've done google hangouts, WhatsApp, Signal... | 14:24 |
| spotz | OSA uses a hangout, WoO uses groupme | 14:24 |
| smcginnis | I don't have groupme, but everything else works for me. | 14:25 |
| mihalis68_ | I never heard of groupme before. is it good? | 14:26 |
| mihalis68_ | signal is ok not great | 14:26 |
| spotz | oh yeah oui uses hangout too:) | 14:26 |
| spotz | mihalis68_: It's ok and was easy for the less technical folks | 14:26 |
| mihalis68_ | I don't like WhatsApps owner, but otherwise it was a little better than Signal | 14:26 |
| mihalis68_ | I'll look into groupme this week then | 14:27 |
| mihalis68_ | life is becoming simply rotating between messaging systems | 14:27 |
| mihalis68_ | I'm surprised nobody said Slack | 14:27 |
| mihalis68_ | or a channel here | 14:27 |
| spotz | trouble with here is I lose stuff when not connected unless I log into my bouncer and read logs | 14:28 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah | 14:28 |
| mihalis68_ | ok, moving not-very-swiftly-along... #topic 2019 | 14:28 |
| mihalis68_ | summary: the community seems to be in favor of the traditional meetups | 14:28 |
| mihalis68_ | #1 is aimed to be in europe and we're hoping to host in Frankfurt | 14:29 |
| mihalis68_ | I don't have an update yet, unfortunately | 14:29 |
| mihalis68_ | #2 would be "somewhere in NA" that's all we know I think | 14:29 |
| smcginnis | Topic isn't changed - need to have #topic at the start of the line. | 14:29 |
| smcginnis | :) | 14:29 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic 2019 meetups | 14:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "2019 meetups (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:29 | |
| mihalis68_ | TIL about #topic | 14:29 |
| smcginnis | I didn't see a response to Eric's ML post either. | 14:30 |
| smcginnis | I think we were hoping to get some potential hosting offers off of that. | 14:30 |
| mihalis68_ | I feel like the opertors ML doesn't really work these days | 14:30 |
| mihalis68_ | or at least I feel thst perhaps the upcoming giant ML merger may help | 14:31 |
| smcginnis | Hopefully it will be better after we combine lists. | 14:31 |
| smcginnis | Yep | 14:31 |
| mihalis68_ | technically the route to offering to host #2 in 2019 is already open | 14:31 |
| mihalis68_ | I don't think it's quite time to start tweeting requests for hosts, but it would be interesting to see if anyone's thinking about it | 14:32 |
| mihalis68_ | no comments. I guess there are no orgs itching to host with a representative here today | 14:33 |
| mihalis68_ | seems like we don't have much this week, so... | 14:33 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic any more business | 14:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "any more business (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:34 | |
| smcginnis | We can try reviving the thread later. Maybe after Berlin is out of the way. | 14:34 |
| mihalis68_ | oh by the way, smcginnis I'm challenging myself to land a chance in the operators guide before berlin | 14:34 |
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| mihalis68_ | a *change | 14:34 |
| mihalis68_ | it's the med! | 14:34 |
| medberry | hello | 14:34 |
| mihalis68_ | hi there. We are a little bit thin this week. not many updates | 14:35 |
| medberry | kk, | 14:35 |
| mihalis68_ | I need to make an etherpad for berlin and so does emccormick | 14:35 |
| * medberry read the notes from last week, mostly Berlin prep | 14:35 | |
| medberry | kk | 14:35 |
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| mihalis68_ | and we havne't nailed down the operators social on the tuesday | 14:35 |
| mihalis68_ | I don't think you're joining right? | 14:35 |
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| medberry | Probably dine with my family but if they are beat, I might show up | 14:35 |
| mihalis68_ | oh you'll be in berlin, though? | 14:36 |
| medberry | oh, most definitely | 14:36 |
| mihalis68_ | excellent | 14:36 |
| medberry | taking the whole fam | 14:36 |
| spotz | He's just standing us up most of the time:) | 14:36 |
| medberry | been planning it for nearly a year. | 14:36 |
| mihalis68_ | how are all your ansible demos going? hash offtopic | 14:36 |
| medberry | spotz, so true | 14:36 |
| medberry | some go well, yesterday's was a bit of a pile of dung | 14:36 |
| medberry | two unrelated technical issues. | 14:37 |
| mihalis68_ | bleurgh | 14:37 |
| medberry | doing an openstack-ansible + ARA talk next week. | 14:37 |
| medberry | and doing other ansible things (mostly non-OpenStack) on a regular basis. | 14:37 |
| mihalis68_ | alright, well sorry to do this when you just got here David, but I think we're done, nobody had much to report and berlin is a low overhead events for the meetups team | 14:37 |
| medberry | next week's is the first talk I'll give that features openstack. | 14:37 |
| medberry | no worries. | 14:37 |
| medberry | I had an appt at 8 or would have been here earlier. | 14:38 |
| medberry | cheers! | 14:38 |
| mihalis68_ | we are doing more and more ansible in our own openstack thing (chef-bcpc) | 14:38 |
| mihalis68_ | last call folks, or we can all get back to the clouding | 14:38 |
| spotz | Thanks all! | 14:38 |
| mihalis68_ | #endmeeting | 14:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussion of topics related to operating Openstack infrastructures at scale | Mailing list: http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-operators | Logs: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/" | 14:38 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 23 14:38:43 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2018/ops_meetup_team.2018-10-23-14.04.html | 14:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2018/ops_meetup_team.2018-10-23-14.04.txt | 14:38 |
| smcginnis | Thanks! | 14:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2018/ops_meetup_team.2018-10-23-14.04.log.html | 14:38 |
| medberry | thanks all. | 14:38 |
| mihalis68_ | thanks everyone. See you next week | 14:38 |
| mihalis68_ | I'm going to go remonstrate with erik | 14:39 |
| mihalis68_ | some social secretary he turned out to be :) | 14:39 |
| medberry | I'll arrive in Berlin on the 11th and returning to the states on the 20th november. | 14:39 |
| smcginnis | Hah | 14:39 |
| simon-AS559 | Feel free to reach out to me if you need help | 14:39 |
| smcginnis | Looking forward to seeing folks again. | 14:39 |
| simon-AS559 | (have lived in Berlin for a while, though nightlife must have changed since then) | 14:40 |
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| mihalis68_ | I'm travelling nov 10th-16th | 14:40 |
| mihalis68_ | hey VW meeting is already over, not much this week | 14:40 |
| mihalis68_ | heh... this time 2 years ago was travelling to the barcelona summit! | 14:42 |
| smcginnis | That was a fun time. | 14:43 |
| mihalis68_ | right? | 14:47 |
| mihalis68_ | my second worst snafu in travel and accomodation. That time I did ok on the flights but my hotel was an hours walk from the summit | 14:48 |
| spotz | We're there the 9th - 18th am. Still need a hotel the 16-18, but got one for the other nights | 14:56 |
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| mriedem | looking from more input from ceph deployments for this nova spec to increase image download time to computes on ceph storage https://review.openstack.org/#/c/572805/6 | 18:49 |
| mriedem | *for more | 18:50 |
| mriedem | it's kind of stalled otherwise | 18:50 |
| smcginnis | mihalis68_: You may be interested in that one. ^ | 18:52 |
| emccormick | mriedem Will take a look. I assume you meant decrease image download time? ;) | 19:11 |
| mriedem | heh yeah | 19:12 |
| mriedem | kind of important difference | 19:12 |
| mriedem | s/increase/improve/ | 19:13 |
| emccormick | Wow, that's been hanging out there for quite a while huh? | 19:13 |
| smcginnis | Increase speed, decrease time. | 19:14 |
| mriedem | emccormick: well it came up late in rocky | 19:20 |
| mriedem | and then mnaser had some questions about alternative solutions using the compute service image cache | 19:21 |
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| emccormick | There's quite a few comments in the last patch set that need addressing, but mnaser's cache thing confuses me | 19:25 |
| emccormick | why would you have a cache in RBD? At that point you might as well be running your instances entirely in RBD | 19:25 |
| emccormick | maybe I misunderstand his idea | 19:26 |
| emccormick | I agree with the failback to API part of it, but he rest confuses me | 19:27 |
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| emccormick | mriedem So would you like us to just throw some comments on it to try and set fire to email boxes and get it bubbled up to the top again? I'm happy to +1 the idea in general, but it seems like it was down to implementation minutia. | 19:30 |
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| mriedem | yeah i'm just looking to see if more operators are interested in what's being proposed and would find value in it | 19:34 |
| mriedem | to help move it forward | 19:34 |
| mriedem | or if maybe others already have alternative solutions | 19:34 |
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| mnaser | mriedem, emccormick: the reason behind the cache is because we have regions that are made out of multiple cells that are conncted via a 10G link | 20:34 |
| emccormick | mriedem I have interest in it. I quit using local disk for a while, but I'm going to need to reintroduce it in an AZ at some point in the not-to-distant future | 20:34 |
| mnaser | where glance is located in one of the "cell" deployments only | 20:34 |
| mnaser | so if you have 2 ceph clusters, on inside every "cell" or "az".. you dont have an easy way of making images reusable across | 20:34 |
| mnaser | and then that link gets saturated with image downloads | 20:34 |
| mriedem | emccormick: what's your use case? HPC? | 20:37 |
| mriedem | for local disk i mean | 20:37 |
| emccormick | mriedem yeah basically. I have a project that uses a shitload of cassandra data | 20:39 |
| emccormick | mriedem Rather than having them suck up 3x ceph replicas of 3x cassandra replicas, I'd rather run them on local disk | 20:40 |
| mriedem | how much do you care about boot from volume? | 20:41 |
| mriedem | s/you/this project/ | 20:41 |
| emccormick | local disks will be faster for them since they're SSD's and not subjetc to network latency, and waste less actual space | 20:41 |
| emccormick | also my ceph cluster is all spinning rust | 20:41 |
| emccormick | I don't / they don't | 20:42 |
| mriedem | ok cool, because volume-backed affinity to the same compute host that the guest is running on has been a problem | 20:42 |
| mriedem | unless you explode AZs | 20:42 |
| mriedem | which is a different problem | 20:42 |
| emccormick | bigass root disk -> compute node. The end | 20:42 |
| mriedem | KISS | 20:43 |
| emccormick | Frankly I'd rather do it with Ironic and just give them a whole box, but it's not possible for me right now. Networking problems w/ ironic | 20:43 |
| emccormick | word | 20:43 |
| mriedem | yeah that was my response to our internal product people that wanted volume-backed servers affined to the compute on which the guest was running, "can't we just offer baremetal? don't we already offer baremetal?" | 20:44 |
| emccormick | "It worked in VMWare" | 20:45 |
| emccormick | The other thing I've considered is just nailing a provider network to their tenant and cobblerizing a few boxes for them. | 20:47 |
| emccormick | That feels very uncloudy though | 20:47 |
| emccormick | mnaser I think I just don't understand how glance-cache works cross-cell, but I'll leave that to you big dogs to sort out ;) | 20:48 |
| emccormick | I agree in general it would be nice to have the option of pulling images down directly from RBD when the rbd location is exposed in glance. | 20:49 |
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