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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/operations-guide master: Imported Translations from Zanata https://review.openstack.org/625819 | 07:24 |
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| spotz | Can't remember if we're meetig or on hiatus | 14:58 |
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| smcginnis | I think we're meeting. | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | We'll see if folks show up I guess. | 15:00 |
| mihalis68_ | o/ | 15:02 |
| mihalis68_ | #startmeeting ops-meetup-team | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 18 15:03:40 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 15:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' | 15:03 |
| mihalis68_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 15:03 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic actions | 15:04 |
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| spotz | hey | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 15:04 |
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| mihalis68_ | I had an action to mail the community about picking the exact dates for Berlin | 15:05 |
| mihalis68_ | however in conversation with Frank Kloeker via email, it turns out that the idea of a Budapest event is not entirely dead | 15:06 |
| mihalis68_ | I asked for some more clarity on that, but so far it's not clear whether that might still be possible or not | 15:06 |
| mihalis68_ | the reason to pursue it is that budapest might be a better location, for lack of repetition if nothing else | 15:07 |
| mihalis68_ | the other suggestion frank had was to make the ops meetup adjacent on the calendar to an AWS event end of february | 15:07 |
| mihalis68_ | I replied that that idea doesn't seem to fit our mission really | 15:07 |
| mihalis68_ | I presume nobody wants to hold out for that? | 15:08 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, I don't think it makes sense to try to do anything along with AWS. | 15:08 |
| mihalis68_ | apart from anything else, that's a vendor. Someone could rightfully say "what about gcp" (or azure) | 15:08 |
| mihalis68_ | so we're a bit stuck right now then. I think the only way to clear this up is to come up with a deadline and stick to it | 15:10 |
| mihalis68_ | we had discussed making that deadline today | 15:10 |
| smcginnis | Maybe give until the end of the week to see if Budapest pans out? | 15:10 |
| spotz | mihalis68_: Yeah read that this morning, definitely don't like the idea of combining with AWS as a single event. Not opposed to one starting right after the other | 15:10 |
| mihalis68_ | aws is of no direct interest to me. I can't travel for it nor stay in hotels on company dime | 15:11 |
| mihalis68_ | and I can't assume our community can either | 15:11 |
| spotz | I wouldn't either:) | 15:11 |
| mihalis68_ | I think that's out then | 15:11 |
| mihalis68_ | so the question is to perhaps allow a bit more time for budapest offer to materialise. | 15:12 |
| mihalis68_ | I'm in favor | 15:12 |
| mihalis68_ | sean's suggestion is end of week | 15:12 |
| mihalis68_ | any objection? | 15:12 |
| spotz | not from me | 15:12 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 15:12 |
| mihalis68_ | ok, then I'll tell frank that if DT wishes to offer budapest it needs to be by end of week, else we'd like to formally accept berlin, given that it is a) well-formed generous offer b) the only one in hand | 15:13 |
| smcginnis | Hopefully by tomorrow we know if it's really an option. Just have timezones to contend with. | 15:13 |
| mihalis68_ | the other action was for simon to follow-up with Belmiro re: openstack day at cern | 15:13 |
| smcginnis | But +1 to just going with Berlin if there's any doubts. That's a great offer and we know it would work well. | 15:14 |
| mihalis68_ | the good news is planning for that is well underway between cern and the foundation | 15:14 |
| mihalis68_ | and belmiro commented that the ops meetups team may be able to help with some parts of it | 15:14 |
| mihalis68_ | that concludes last weeks actions. I had older actions to follow-up on possibly hosting an ops meetup in NYC for slot 2 2019 | 15:15 |
| mihalis68_ | I haven't done that (quite a week here in various ways, wont bore you) so that continues | 15:15 |
| mihalis68_ | any other reports on progress stemming from actions? | 15:15 |
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| mihalis68_ | hi shintaro, we are just finishing off actions | 15:16 |
| shintaro | hi | 15:16 |
| mihalis68_ | any comments? | 15:16 |
| shintaro | no, sorry I'm late | 15:16 |
| mihalis68_ | no worries | 15:17 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic 2019 meetups | 15:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "2019 meetups (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 15:17 | |
| mihalis68_ | we've basically said most of what needs to be said. We will (I hope) confirm the berlin offer by end of week unless a competing offer comes in | 15:17 |
| mihalis68_ | that then unlocks the real work - technical agenda, moderators, sponsors etc | 15:18 |
| mihalis68_ | it will be good to start 2019 already going on those | 15:18 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 15:18 |
| mihalis68_ | and I know that the UC wishes to work on bringing forward topics from past events into that to improve the continuity and usefulness of these get-togethers | 15:18 |
| shintaro | great! | 15:18 |
| smcginnis | So we can just put mrhillsman in charge of the agenda? :) | 15:19 |
| mrhillsman | -_- | 15:19 |
| mihalis68_ | our involvement with CERN is going to be merely helping out a little bit with getting the word out and possibly collaborating on some lightning talks for the end of the day. Otherwise they are structuring the day themselves, which is fantastic | 15:19 |
| mihalis68_ | let me just record where we are: | 15:20 |
| mihalis68_ | #action mihalis68 to ask DT to finish making offers by end of this week | 15:20 |
| mihalis68_ | #action mihalis68 to notify community (assuming no counter offers) that berlin is officially the next meetup | 15:20 |
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| mihalis68_ | I guess we should also ask DT what level of co-sponsors they want | 15:21 |
| mihalis68_ | for example coffee, lunch, signage | 15:21 |
| mihalis68_ | also once it's confirmed we should request the foundation do an eventbrite to lend their officialness to it | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, good idea. Would be good to know what we need there so we can get someone lined up for sponsoring it. | 15:22 |
| mihalis68_ | are we going to go with a figure in euros for the (nominal) event ticket price? | 15:22 |
| mihalis68_ | how much was milan? | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | Did we do euros for Milan and Yen for Tokyo? | 15:23 |
| mihalis68_ | ok, guess nobody remembers. I'll see if I can fish around for those figures | 15:23 |
| shintaro | we did US dollars in Tokyo not Yen | 15:23 |
| mihalis68_ | I might have those evenbrite tickets still in my account for tokyo | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | I thought we just did $20 USD no matter where we were holding it. | 15:24 |
| mihalis68_ | ah yes that sounds right now you say it | 15:24 |
| mihalis68_ | any objection to making berlin $20 also? | 15:24 |
| shintaro | I don't quite remember Milan, but I think smcginnis is right | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | I know we didn't do pesos in Mexico. :) | 15:25 |
| spotz | hehe | 15:25 |
| shintaro | :) | 15:25 |
| mihalis68_ | ok now you've convinced me. $20 unless a really good reason not to crops up. We can make a FAQ about it to explain the reasoning | 15:25 |
| mihalis68_ | #action mihalis68 to write up "why $20" on our wiki page | 15:25 |
| smcginnis | I wonder if the OSF eventbright account, being US based, can only do USD. | 15:26 |
| mihalis68_ | that could be | 15:26 |
| spotz | I think its more that's our price so it doesn't vary? | 15:27 |
| mihalis68_ | does anyone know if my contact for this would be Jimmy? | 15:27 |
| spotz | Erin or Claire might be better | 15:27 |
| mihalis68_ | both reasons could be true. There was strong agreement to charge a non-zero figure to stop freeloaders, but make it fairly nominal | 15:27 |
| mihalis68_ | and in fact the money more than comes back to the attendees as schwag, coffee, lunch or whatever, DEAL OF THE CENTURY | 15:28 |
| mihalis68_ | I'll ping them once we confirm Berlin. I honestly think that will happen | 15:28 |
| mihalis68_ | as we know, hanging around leads to ever increasing negative knock-on when an event is not really confirmed until late | 15:28 |
| mihalis68_ | any other comments on 2019 meetups? (any) | 15:29 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic ops docs | 15:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ops docs (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 15:29 | |
| mihalis68_ | since our last meeting, we had a questionnaire about the ops docs SIG | 15:30 |
| mihalis68_ | Sean filled it out, and I added a tiny bit more | 15:30 |
| mihalis68_ | basically we explained that it was just formed and exists solely to allow those "orphan" docs we are adopting to have well-formed ownership so that they can still publish to docs.openstack.org | 15:31 |
| mihalis68_ | if anyone wants to see what was written let me know I'll dig it out | 15:31 |
| shintaro | o/ | 15:31 |
| mihalis68_ | otherwise the news about ops docs is that progress continues, and both emccormick and I plan to make some contributions over the holiday | 15:31 |
| smcginnis | All contributions welcome! | 15:32 |
| mihalis68_ | ah here we go | 15:32 |
| mihalis68_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2018AnnualReport_GroupsUpdate | 15:32 |
| shintaro | thank ou | 15:32 |
| shintaro | you | 15:32 |
| mihalis68_ | we provided an update practically immediately, unlike make other groups. I feel really good about this work | 15:33 |
| mihalis68_ | I just need to get my dev env for it up | 15:33 |
| mihalis68_ | and then I should be able to help others | 15:33 |
| mihalis68_ | admittedly, the main work so far has all been sean | 15:33 |
| mihalis68_ | I think that's it for docs. I second the call for joining | 15:34 |
| mihalis68_ | Im due to set up a regular meeting, probably only monthly to start | 15:34 |
| mihalis68_ | maybe after this meeting once a month, which could be efficient if we have shorter ops meetups team meetings (which I try to do) | 15:35 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic any other business | 15:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "any other business (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 15:35 | |
| mihalis68_ | anything else we need to discuss? | 15:35 |
| mihalis68_ | thanks to sean for doing the agenda this week | 15:35 |
| smcginnis | No problem | 15:36 |
| smcginnis | Kind of slacked off on updating it, but we have the logs. ;) | 15:36 |
| mihalis68_ | there is continuing debate on the new merged mailing list about regular meetings vs. office hours vs. unstructured IRC or email | 15:36 |
| mihalis68_ | e.g. for TC | 15:36 |
| mihalis68_ | how is this meeting cadence and time slot for you guys? | 15:37 |
| mihalis68_ | shintaro you continue to attend very late Tokyo time | 15:37 |
| mihalis68_ | since it seems that nobody has a better system, I intend to keep running these where possible | 15:37 |
| shintaro | It's a little late during winter time, but no problem | 15:37 |
| mihalis68_ | which does remind me : I would think no meeting next week? | 15:38 |
| spotz | or the following | 15:38 |
| mihalis68_ | it's Christmas day next week, New Year's Day the following | 15:38 |
| smcginnis | Hmm, yeah. | 15:38 |
| shintaro | +1 | 15:38 |
| smcginnis | I will be on vacation. | 15:38 |
| mihalis68_ | meet in 3 weeks time? or have a catch-up somewhere in the middle? | 15:38 |
| mihalis68_ | I'm working next Monday, so could meet | 15:39 |
| spotz | I'm on vacation but hadn't left for the barn yet:) | 15:39 |
| smcginnis | I'm traveling from the 24th to 2nd and haven't decided if I'm going to bring my laptop along this time. | 15:39 |
| mihalis68_ | seems like no consensus. Officially then I don't think we meet for the next two weeks | 15:40 |
| mihalis68_ | we can of course get into specifics on mailing list | 15:40 |
| mihalis68_ | in the meanwhile | 15:40 |
| mihalis68_ | any more comments on anything? | 15:40 |
| smcginnis | Might be good to have an update on Berlin I guess. | 15:40 |
| mihalis68_ | if DT has clarified by end of this week, we can round out the year with an announcement to the mailing list next monday | 15:41 |
| spotz | I think most everyone is on the thread but once confirmed could send to the larger list? | 15:41 |
| mihalis68_ | I've actioned myself to do that | 15:41 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah, larger list and twitter and perhaps get the foundation to also announce | 15:41 |
| mihalis68_ | thumbs-up? | 15:42 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 15:42 |
| spotz | ++ | 15:42 |
| mihalis68_ | alright | 15:42 |
| mihalis68_ | final call | 15:42 |
| shintaro | +1 | 15:42 |
| smcginnis | 👍 | 15:42 |
| mihalis68_ | before we go I would like to wish everyone a very happy holiday of whatever denomination | 15:42 |
| shintaro | happy holidays! | 15:43 |
| mihalis68_ | and share that I am very psyched to be back in the simple model of having two events of our own to organise | 15:43 |
| spotz | Same here, Happy Holidays! mIf needed just email me | 15:43 |
| smcginnis | Same from me. Great working with all of you and I hope you have a great holiday or just end of year. | 15:43 |
| mihalis68_ | our mission to seek out new ops teams | 15:43 |
| smcginnis | Happy for the two events as well. :) | 15:43 |
| mihalis68_ | to boldly meetup | 15:43 |
| spotz | hehehe, with that off to the barn:) | 15:44 |
| mihalis68_ | #endmeeting | 15:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Topics related to operating OpenStack infrastructure | Mailing list: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/" | 15:44 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 18 15:44:05 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2018/ops_meetup_team.2018-12-18-15.03.html | 15:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2018/ops_meetup_team.2018-12-18-15.03.txt | 15:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2018/ops_meetup_team.2018-12-18-15.03.log.html | 15:44 |
| mihalis68_ | seemed like spotz had the perfect last line of this play | 15:44 |
| mihalis68_ | see you on the mailing list | 15:44 |
| mihalis68_ | if anyone passes through NYC LMK, will buy you dinner :) | 15:44 |
| mihalis68_ | oh darn, I completely forgot some news | 15:44 |
| mihalis68_ | hold on! | 15:45 |
| mihalis68_ | so I am meeting with some people from 2 Sigma in Jan | 15:45 |
| mihalis68_ | they run openstack and want to perhaps start NYC meetups again | 15:45 |
| mihalis68_ | and they said goldman sachs looks to be possibly starting to use openstack | 15:45 |
| mihalis68_ | pure rumor | 15:45 |
| mihalis68_ | but I will report back! | 15:45 |
| shintaro | great news! | 15:45 |
| mihalis68_ | suspicion revolves around "vendor price rises" as to why it's waking up again | 15:46 |
| mihalis68_ | I'm not going to name them but you can guess | 15:46 |
| mihalis68_ | talk to you later | 15:46 |
| smcginnis | Awesome! | 15:47 |
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