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| mihalis68_ | #startmeeting ops-meetup-team | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 19 14:01:43 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' | 14:01 |
| mihalis68_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 14:01 |
| mihalis68_ | ping mihalis68_, spotz, emccormick, mrhillsman, med_, smcginnis | 14:02 |
| spotz | o/ | 14:02 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 14:02 |
| mihalis68_ | o/ | 14:02 |
| smcginnis | Guten morgen | 14:03 |
| mihalis68_ | thanks for joining folks. This is the weekly ops meetups team meeting | 14:03 |
| mihalis68_ | the link I posted is the agenda. Not much there as we just completed the last meetup less than two weeks ago | 14:03 |
| mihalis68_ | #link https://superuser.openstack.org/articles/takeaways-from-the-latest-openstack-ops-meetup/ | 14:03 |
| mihalis68_ | this is Frank Kloeker's writeup of the event. I provided comments but for whatever reason they didn't make it into the article | 14:04 |
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| shintaro | hi | 14:04 |
| mihalis68_ | it should also have thanks Erik McCormick for being another organiser and moderating some of the sessions including the more dense ones | 14:04 |
| mihalis68_ | hi shintaro | 14:04 |
| shintaro | sorry I'm late | 14:04 |
| mihalis68_ | no worries | 14:05 |
| shintaro | and I didn't realize that the DST has ended last week. | 14:05 |
| mihalis68_ | I think most of the actions previously recorded are moot as we completed another succesful event | 14:05 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic actions | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:05 | |
| smcginnis | shintaro: We should really end DST. ;) | 14:05 |
| mihalis68_ | berline meet-up complete :) | 14:05 |
| emccormick | o/ | 14:06 |
| mihalis68_ | We had a successful event, turnout was around 30 and we packed a lot in | 14:06 |
| shintaro | I heard from my team members that the event was successful | 14:06 |
| mihalis68_ | we made the timetable fluid this time, learning from the way PTG is done. I think that worked | 14:06 |
| mihalis68_ | we also did not add sessions that were merely suggested. They needed some +1s and a moderator or they remained mere suggestions | 14:07 |
| mihalis68_ | that was also good I think | 14:07 |
| mihalis68_ | thanks for the feedback, Shintaro. It was obvious with hindsight that masahito was in much better shape this time than in Tokyo. He told me he was sick that time | 14:07 |
| mihalis68_ | any other reports on prior actions? | 14:07 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic berlin wrap-up | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "berlin wrap-up (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:08 | |
| shintaro | that's great to hear mihalis68_ | 14:08 |
| mihalis68_ | we saw a great innovation in Berlin that I want to share. I asked for volunteer moderator for the arch lightning talks on day 1 | 14:08 |
| mihalis68_ | we made it the end of day session | 14:08 |
| mihalis68_ | our moderator used an app with an alarm bell to give each speaker a strict time ration, this worked great | 14:09 |
| mihalis68_ | and finishing off the day this way was so popular people wanted something similar for day 2 | 14:09 |
| mihalis68_ | so day 2 we had ops war stories lightning talks. | 14:09 |
| mihalis68_ | the same moderator made it even more fun. he asked for a brief title for the story but no details so that each one was a surprise | 14:10 |
| emccormick | with voting goodness | 14:10 |
| mihalis68_ | he gave each one a time slot and then asked people to score it! (as Erik just said) | 14:10 |
| mihalis68_ | this gamified it, and was superb | 14:10 |
| shintaro | sounds fun | 14:11 |
| mihalis68_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BER19-OPS-WAR-STORIES | 14:11 |
| mihalis68_ | I came 3rd :) | 14:11 |
| mihalis68_ | another think I think worked was starting off easy on day 2. This was a tip from Tom Fifield. I started off with a discussion of recent foundation changes - new name, wider mission, renamed summit, non-openstack projects etc | 14:12 |
| mihalis68_ | interestingly the operators present were mostly ok with all the changes, but also fairly unfamiliar with any of it | 14:13 |
| spotz | Did any forum topics come up out of the event? | 14:13 |
| mihalis68_ | no experience with airship, zuul or kata, and very little awareness of starlingx | 14:13 |
| emccormick | There was some poo-poo'ing of Kata but I think more from lack of understanding | 14:13 |
| mihalis68_ | erik put in some placeholders for the summit. As discuss previously there was no time to digest what we learned in berlin before the deadline, which is just nonsense and made me pretty irritated | 14:14 |
| emccormick | mostly around the fact that they're considered virtual machines. Perhaps a marketing consideration | 14:14 |
| mihalis68_ | there was some hostility to kata containers but also some welcoming | 14:14 |
| emccormick | spotz I think we can do our regular ceph talk and ops meetup discussion | 14:15 |
| mihalis68_ | before we get fully into talking about denver, I wanted to just include some of the less-great stuff about berlin | 14:15 |
| emccormick | beyond that I'm thinking of carrying over the lightning talks and war stories sessions | 14:15 |
| spotz | emccormick: Ok can you get the info to speakersupport? So 1 Ceph, 1 meetup report, and 1 war-stories? | 14:15 |
| mihalis68_ | we had a low turnout and I think it was mostly because berlin was difficult to get flights and accomodation for, given the large commercial conference there same week | 14:15 |
| emccormick | spotz yes, crafting an email which I will flesh out after this discussion | 14:16 |
| mihalis68_ | I mean, 30 was much better than we thought it would be a week beforehand, but we had 50 in mexico and 100 in tokyo | 14:16 |
| spotz | emccormick: Thanks:) | 14:16 |
| spotz | mihalis68_: And the fact most people might have just been there making it hard to justify | 14:16 |
| mihalis68_ | secondly erik and I had had to run the entire technical agenda. the hosts didn't seem to be concerned or even involved in that | 14:16 |
| emccormick | For the room setup the number worked well I think | 14:16 |
| mihalis68_ | it did, but with a week to go we had about 17 people and no agenda | 14:17 |
| mihalis68_ | I don't mind doing it this time as I was supported by my company in both time and travel expenses, but without us both it wouldn't have worked | 14:17 |
| spotz | There's just something disorganized about Berlin:( | 14:18 |
| mihalis68_ | we tried to get any clues about how to better reach out to the operators inside organisations running openstack but didn't get any real feedbacjk | 14:18 |
| emccormick | Social media spam was the main suggestion | 14:19 |
| mihalis68_ | I think for future events we need to insist that the hosting organisation is part of the technical organising group | 14:19 |
| emccormick | it seems many in the room just don't pay much attention to the ML | 14:19 |
| mihalis68_ | right | 14:19 |
| emccormick | agree | 14:19 |
| mihalis68_ | I hate to criticize the generous host but I don't think they put forward many topics nor moderated many, if any | 14:20 |
| spotz | Any feedback as to whether it would have been better as more Open Infra, though it was heavy into Ceph | 14:20 |
| emccormick | someone suggested an OSOPS twitter account | 14:20 |
| emccormick | so maybe this team needs to get all 21st century and whatnot | 14:20 |
| emccormick | Most seem to want it to be mostly Openstack with related things as they pertain to Openstack | 14:21 |
| emccormick | There wasn't a lot of clamoring for generalized Open Infra talk | 14:21 |
| smcginnis | I like the idea of an OSOPS twitter account | 14:21 |
| mihalis68_ | the tricky question would be ownership. | 14:22 |
| mihalis68_ | the foundation squelches unofficial use of the brand and logo | 14:22 |
| emccormick | This team in general I think shoudl run it | 14:22 |
| smcginnis | We can share the creds among the folks in this team. | 14:22 |
| emccormick | I would suggest the UC keep the credentials | 14:22 |
| smcginnis | Oh, that could work too. But we would want a few non-UC folks to be able to post things. | 14:23 |
| mihalis68_ | the attendees did seem potentially willing to follow a low-spam feed of some kind | 14:23 |
| smcginnis | But if we have to just as someone on UC to post, that's not too bad. | 14:23 |
| emccormick | yeah I just mean tie it to an @openstack.org account owned by the UC | 14:23 |
| smcginnis | *just ask | 14:23 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 14:23 |
| mihalis68_ | I think UC anticipated supporting these events a lot more (back in Denver) than really happened | 14:23 |
| emccormick | then if someone here just goes dark or gets hit by a bus we don't lose the account | 14:24 |
| emccormick | spotz can you take that idea to the rest of the UC and discuss? | 14:25 |
| mihalis68_ | I'm not 100% sure that a twitter account owned by UC would actually be maintained | 14:25 |
| spotz | emccormick: Can do | 14:25 |
| emccormick | basically Ops meetup team runs a twitter feed that is officially owned by the UC and is tied to an @openstack.org email address | 14:25 |
| emccormick | we will do the (minimal) tweeting | 14:25 |
| spotz | We could just do a shared login | 14:25 |
| emccormick | yeah | 14:26 |
| mihalis68_ | if they are ok with that, sounds like it could work | 14:26 |
| emccormick | I'm no twitter savant, so any suggestions on how to admin it better are welcome | 14:26 |
| mihalis68_ | I was granted access to the mexico city eventbrite for example | 14:26 |
| mihalis68_ | any more comments on the berlin event? | 14:28 |
| emccormick | I left with a persistent craving for gummy bears | 14:28 |
| mihalis68_ | I was annoyed that they asked us for comment, then said "oh look, you're already mentioned, we don't need your comment" and then when I sent some anyway didn't put any in | 14:29 |
| emccormick | I guess we just need to write the article next time. If it's at your place, then no problem :) | 14:30 |
| mihalis68_ | oh well can't be helped now | 14:30 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic denver (forum) | 14:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "denver (forum) (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:30 | |
| spotz | I'm pretty sure that's how the actual openstack account is the foundation uses but can verify | 14:30 |
| mihalis68_ | I dont think I can make denver at all | 14:30 |
| emccormick | :( | 14:30 |
| spotz | :( | 14:30 |
| shintaro | :( | 14:31 |
| mihalis68_ | the nice thing is the meetups team doesnt have to lift a finger to make the event happen in general | 14:31 |
| mihalis68_ | it's just the forum topics | 14:31 |
| mihalis68_ | I've done ceph talks at several, but erik knows that stuff just as well or better | 14:31 |
| emccormick | It mostly runs itself anyway if Sage shows up | 14:32 |
| mihalis68_ | eh I dont really agree. he's very careful not to make it his session | 14:32 |
| emccormick | In Sydney I was up front for about 2 minutes and then just sat down. It was great | 14:32 |
| mihalis68_ | ok didn't make that one | 14:32 |
| emccormick | oh well people just asked non-stop questions | 14:32 |
| emccormick | yeah that's why it was me doing it. Slacker | 14:33 |
| emccormick | :D | 14:33 |
| mihalis68_ | so weird... in berlin the room was attentive but quiet and it became quite presentation-like | 14:33 |
| mihalis68_ | and it was full! | 14:33 |
| emccormick | so I suggest these: Ceph + Openstack, Ops Meetups + Community gathering, Ops War Stories, and Ops Arch Show and Tell | 14:34 |
| emccormick | that will fill our allocated blocks | 14:34 |
| emccormick | I would take it to the ML but we don't have time and they won't see it anyway :P | 14:34 |
| mihalis68_ | seems good to me. I am glad that we've made ceph a fixture | 14:35 |
| emccormick | Not very open of us, but I don't think it can be helped at this point | 14:35 |
| mihalis68_ | certainly for us moving from a mix of storage choices to all shared block storage on ceph was great | 14:35 |
| mihalis68_ | we're at the point where if the meetups team doesn't make decisions and act, nothing at all happens | 14:35 |
| mihalis68_ | you can still inform the ML of what we're doing | 14:36 |
| emccormick | Maybe I'll shoot a message out as a formality and share what I"m proposing here | 14:36 |
| mihalis68_ | just not "hey ML what do you think" and then waiting | 14:36 |
| emccormick | allow a day for comment | 14:36 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah | 14:36 |
| emccormick | *nod* | 14:36 |
| spotz | Only 3 slots:) | 14:36 |
| emccormick | ah ok | 14:37 |
| mihalis68_ | combine war stories and arch maybe? | 14:37 |
| emccormick | well we can have a general combined yeah | 14:37 |
| emccormick | Ops lightning talks | 14:37 |
| mihalis68_ | 👍 | 14:37 |
| shintaro | sounds great Ops LT | 14:37 |
| mihalis68_ | this means there wont be an ops docs session | 14:37 |
| mihalis68_ | admittedly there's little progress there | 14:38 |
| emccormick | I'll bring it up during the meetup session | 14:38 |
| mihalis68_ | ok | 14:38 |
| emccormick | I'm trying to make it a more Ops Community Gathering sort of thing to encourage better attendance | 14:38 |
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| emccormick | Maybe spotz can get me stickers :D | 14:39 |
| mihalis68_ | that's a good idea | 14:39 |
| mihalis68_ | oh yeah, stickers. I have a big bag of ops meetup stickers | 14:39 |
| mihalis68_ | I guess either DT or the foundation ordered them | 14:39 |
| spotz | What am I getting stickers for?:) | 14:39 |
| emccormick | This wa more people can learn of the new twitter if we do it, and get a broader audience for meetup talk | 14:39 |
| emccormick | Ops community session | 14:40 |
| mihalis68_ | welcome jamesmcarthur! | 14:40 |
| emccormick | maybe some of those spiffy Ops Meetup stickers we had in Berlin. I dunno where those came from | 14:40 |
| mihalis68_ | that's what I'm saying, I have a WHOLE BUNCH of those | 14:40 |
| emccormick | mihaliis68_ You can send those to me | 14:40 |
| emccormick | since you're abandoning us! | 14:40 |
| emccormick | *taunt* | 14:41 |
| mihalis68_ | *grimace* | 14:41 |
| mihalis68_ | anyone else want some? | 14:41 |
| mihalis68_ | it's a lot | 14:41 |
| mihalis68_ | hundreds I think | 14:41 |
| mihalis68_ | certainly many dozen | 14:41 |
| emccormick | wowza | 14:41 |
| spotz | mihalis68_: If you want to send me the stickers I can take them with | 14:41 |
| shintaro | we can distribute them in Denver Summit | 14:42 |
| emccormick | I"m happy to be a mule as well ;) | 14:42 |
| jamesmcarthur | speaking of... Have y'all had a chance to think about topics for the three Ops placeholder sessions? | 14:42 |
| emccormick | yep already worked that out | 14:42 |
| jamesmcarthur | I'd be happy to update the sessions if you can send them along. | 14:42 |
| mihalis68_ | I haven't fully decided NOT to go to denver, but if I do I'll be late. We're visiting england, I need to see my dad who's not in good shape | 14:43 |
| mihalis68_ | back on the day that I would otherwise fly out | 14:43 |
| emccormick | I'm going to do a mailing list thing as a formality so we're not accused of lack of openness | 14:43 |
| mihalis68_ | :+1 | 14:43 |
| mihalis68_ | 👍 | 14:43 |
| emccormick | but 99% certain it'll be Ceph, Ops Meetup / Cummunity, and lightning talks | 14:44 |
| mihalis68_ | jimmy the sessons are "ceph with openstack" "ops lightning talks" and "ops community" | 14:44 |
| mihalis68_ | snap | 14:44 |
| spotz | mihalis68_: Sorry about your dad and much more important | 14:44 |
| emccormick | jamesmcarthur Will email you more detailed descriptions for them | 14:44 |
| jamesmcarthur | emccormick: perfect, thanks - along with moderators if you can | 14:45 |
| mihalis68_ | I think that's it for Denver, except I'd like to ask someone to step forward and be the benevolent dictator of denver for ops | 14:45 |
| emccormick | probably me, me, and me | 14:45 |
| mihalis68_ | yes I nominate you then | 14:45 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic meetup number 2 2019 | 14:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "meetup number 2 2019 (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:45 | |
| shintaro | I'll be there, too | 14:46 |
| jamesmcarthur | roger that. I'll put the titles in as place holders. | 14:46 |
| emccormick | maybe shintaro wants the community or lightning talks one? | 14:46 |
| emccormick | *nudge* | 14:46 |
| mihalis68_ | shintaro do you want some stickers for your local colleagues? | 14:46 |
| emccormick | can we flip moderators later? | 14:46 |
| shintaro | thanks mihalis68_, yes I love to | 14:47 |
| mihalis68_ | anyway for meetup #2 I don't have offiical news but things are progressing. I haven't been able to catch up with the approval person as he had a bad accident and is now partially titanium | 14:47 |
| mihalis68_ | he's back at work, but from home | 14:47 |
| shintaro | emccormick, yes, I can moderate | 14:47 |
| emccormick | shintaro preference for which one? | 14:47 |
| shintaro | either is fine | 14:48 |
| shintaro | LT seems fun, though | 14:48 |
| mihalis68_ | sold! | 14:49 |
| emccormick | jamesmcarthur Put Shintaro down for the LIghtning Talks one | 14:49 |
| jamesmcarthur | will do | 14:49 |
| shintaro | great | 14:49 |
| mihalis68_ | I wonder if we should write an article about berlin too? | 14:49 |
| emccormick | I'll skype Chris into the other one and stick him up on the big screen | 14:49 |
| emccormick | :D | 14:49 |
| emccormick | mihalis68_ maybe we could do one that's more generic, about the meetups in general | 14:50 |
| mihalis68_ | let me rephrase that. Is there any interest in me pulling together some thoughts about organising berlin? Could just go on our wiki pages, no need to trouble superuser | 14:50 |
| spotz | I think maybe both? | 14:50 |
| mihalis68_ | ok | 14:51 |
| mihalis68_ | #action mihalis68_ to write down thoughts on berlin and see what it leads to | 14:51 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic any other business | 14:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "any other business (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:51 | |
| mihalis68_ | 10 minutes left. Anything else on people's minds? | 14:52 |
| smcginnis | Any update on 2019 #2? | 14:52 |
| smcginnis | Oh, sorry. | 14:52 |
| spotz | heheh | 14:52 |
| smcginnis | I got distracted and just realized I missed some scrollback. | 14:52 |
| mihalis68_ | no worries | 14:52 |
| mihalis68_ | you coming to denver, sean? | 14:52 |
| mihalis68_ | or maybe that should read "going" if I'm not | 14:52 |
| smcginnis | Yep, I will be there Sat to Sat, so that should be fun. | 14:53 |
| mihalis68_ | phew, sounds very very tiring | 14:53 |
| smcginnis | Later in the week should be very interesting. | 14:53 |
| smcginnis | As far as my ability to hold coherent conversations. | 14:53 |
| mihalis68_ | this is the heaviest schedule for a while - summit, ptg and forum | 14:54 |
| smcginnis | Nothing else from me for today. | 14:54 |
| mihalis68_ | I notice the keynotes are very abbreviated this time | 14:54 |
| mihalis68_ | kind of disappointing when I read them | 14:55 |
| smcginnis | I haven't even looked at the schedule yet. | 14:55 |
| smcginnis | There was some negative feedback about the keynotes in Berlin. | 14:55 |
| mihalis68_ | ok, think everyone needs to get going - spidey sense tells me it's time for | 14:55 |
| smcginnis | I wonder if that's why. | 14:55 |
| mihalis68_ | last call | 14:55 |
| smcginnis | Seems we should put more effort into making those useful. | 14:55 |
| mihalis68_ | oh intersting. what did peopel say? | 14:55 |
| smcginnis | I heard one or two comments about them not being useful and not as good quality as the attendee(s) expected. | 14:56 |
| smcginnis | I thought they were OK. | 14:56 |
| emccormick | Two days of keynotes in a 3 day summit was too much | 14:56 |
| emccormick | that was my only keynote comment | 14:56 |
| emccormick | too much time taken away from more specialized content including the forum | 14:56 |
| smcginnis | True | 14:56 |
| mihalis68_ | guess the fine-tuning needs to continue | 14:57 |
| mihalis68_ | thanks to everyone for attending this week. I'll look into whether I can get to denver even if missing the start | 14:57 |
| mihalis68_ | but erik is the BDFL | 14:57 |
| mihalis68_ | ... for denver! | 14:57 |
| mihalis68_ | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Topics related to operating OpenStack infrastructure | Mailing list: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/ | Next Ops Meetup March 6-7 in Berlin: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BER-ops-meetup" | 14:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 19 14:58:06 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2019/ops_meetup_team.2019-03-19-14.01.html | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2019/ops_meetup_team.2019-03-19-14.01.txt | 14:58 |
| shintaro | thank you all! | 14:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2019/ops_meetup_team.2019-03-19-14.01.log.html | 14:58 |
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| emccormick | heh | 14:58 |
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| spotz | Thanks all! | 14:59 |
| yankcrime | speaking of events, openinfra days uk is in < 2 weeks | 14:59 |
| yankcrime | https://openinfradays.co.uk/ | 14:59 |
| smcginnis | Sounds like it will be a good one. | 15:00 |
| emccormick | are you going? | 15:00 |
| emccormick | I'd love to go, but being gone half of April is already taxing enough ;) | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | No way it was going to work out for me. | 15:03 |
| emccormick | Oo there's a Shuttleworth keynote. That's worth the price of admission right there. | 15:03 |
| smcginnis | April and May are going to be busy months. | 15:03 |
| yankcrime | yeah i'll be there, i'm one of the organisers | 15:03 |
| emccormick | nice. Good luck with the event! We need to start dropping some ops sessions in those one of these days. | 15:04 |
| yankcrime | aye, we tried to do something along those lines in 2017 actually with a dedicated room for various sessions | 15:05 |
| emccormick | Didn't work out? | 15:05 |
| yankcrime | actually it worked out ok, but this year because the conference itself is that much busier we decided to run it over two days instead and decided to follow the nordics format of having a day of workshops | 15:06 |
| yankcrime | (busier in terms of the number of tracks and talks) | 15:07 |
| emccormick | sensible | 15:08 |
| yankcrime | yeah, we'll see how this one goes | 15:08 |
| emccormick | IF you can gauge general interest during the hallway track in interactive ops-meetups style sessions at Openinfra-days I"d be very curious to hear peoples feedback | 15:09 |
| emccormick | I suspect there are lots of people at these things that never go to summits and may have no idea about the ops meetups either | 15:10 |
| emccormick | One year, by accident, we had the Ops Meetup the same week as an Openstack Day and it made the trip more worthwhile for people I think. | 15:11 |
| emccormick | So it could work that way also | 15:11 |
| yankcrime | i'll see about sharing feedback, the uk has a strong ops community for sure so impromptu sessions like that aren't altogether surprising | 15:12 |
| spotz | yankcrime: And we accept left over swag:) | 15:23 |
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| yankcrime | spotz: noted! ;) | 18:44 |
| spotz | :) | 18:44 |
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