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| mihalis68_ | howdy | 14:08 |
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| med_ | /me is reading logs from two weeks ago | 14:08 |
| emccormick | o/ | 14:08 |
| shintaro | hi | 14:08 |
| med_ | o/ | 14:08 |
| mihalis68_ | #startmeeting ops-meetup-team | 14:08 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 2 14:08:35 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:08 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:08 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' | 14:08 |
| mihalis68_ | nobody turned up last week so I didn't bother | 14:08 |
| mihalis68_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 14:09 |
| mihalis68_ | I haven't done an agenda | 14:09 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic actions | 14:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:09 | |
| mihalis68_ | anyone have anything to report re: actions? | 14:09 |
| med_ | heck, I wasn't sure if this followed UTC or DST.... | 14:09 |
| emccormick | I got the forum sessions all submitted | 14:09 |
| emccormick | They are now approved and updated on the schedule | 14:10 |
| mihalis68_ | this meeting is currently always at 10am EST, so it moves around from some participants point of view | 14:10 |
| mihalis68_ | nicely done emccormick | 14:10 |
| emccormick | Shintaro, you are the War Stories moderator | 14:10 |
| emccormick | I have the other two. | 14:10 |
| shintaro | ok thanks emccormick | 14:10 |
| emccormick | I guess it's jumping ahead, but we should get the etherpads going and send them out | 14:11 |
| mihalis68_ | I think I do have some actions lurking from past meetings, but no progress. We just launched our new openstack based product internally to general availability last week | 14:11 |
| mihalis68_ | hash busy | 14:11 |
| med_ | congrats mihalis68_ | 14:11 |
| emccormick | I would suggest the War Stories / Show and Tell one get put out there ASAP so people can start thinking about what they want to talk about | 14:11 |
| mihalis68_ | thanks | 14:11 |
| emccormick | last time we did one at the summit, a few people actually made a couple slides | 14:11 |
| shintaro | so is this where we need to put our etherpads? #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Denver2019 | 14:12 |
| mihalis68_ | want me to seed that etherpad? (war stories) | 14:12 |
| mihalis68_ | it was the most successful session in Berlin | 14:12 |
| shintaro | I will check the Berlin etherpad and see what need to be done. | 14:12 |
| mihalis68_ | med_ not sure if you heard how it went in berlin, but we had a volunteer moderator for war stories and he made it really fun with a spot of gamification | 14:13 |
| mihalis68_ | he used a timer on his phone to limit each slot to a set amount of time, and then asked people to vote on which was their favorite. | 14:13 |
| mihalis68_ | the stories were not fully disclosed on the etherpad until after they were presented, to allow them to have the best impact | 14:14 |
| med_ | mihalis68_, I read that in scrollback from 3/19 ops planning logs. Very cool. | 14:15 |
| *** smcginnis_pto is now known as smcginnis | 14:16 | |
| mihalis68_ | I've slapped some agenda items up now | 14:16 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic any more from berlin | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "any more from berlin (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:16 | |
| mihalis68_ | are there any more work items stemming from berlin? | 14:16 |
| emccormick | nothing here | 14:17 |
| mihalis68_ | ping mihalis68_, spotz, emccormick, mrhillsman, med_, smcginnis | 14:17 |
| smcginnis | ohai | 14:17 |
| med_ | zilch | 14:18 |
| mihalis68_ | the power of ping | 14:18 |
| emccormick | I answered! :) | 14:18 |
| mihalis68_ | any actions or anything else stemming from berlin, sean? (guess not, but..._ | 14:18 |
| * smcginnis still feels like it's Monday | 14:18 | |
| mihalis68_ | #topic Denver | 14:18 |
| smcginnis | No actions from me. | 14:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Denver (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:18 | |
| mihalis68_ | FYI for anyone who doesn't know, I can't make Denver. emccormick is the benevolent dictator for the ops bit of that event (IIRC) | 14:19 |
| med_ | noted. thanks emccormick | 14:19 |
| emccormick | boo | 14:20 |
| * med_ will be around all week | 14:20 | |
| emccormick | Are we anywhere on the twitter account? | 14:20 |
| emccormick | I think spotz was looking into that? | 14:20 |
| mihalis68_ | I didnt hear anything about it | 14:20 |
| mihalis68_ | that's a good point, though | 14:20 |
| mihalis68_ | a strong impression we all had about berlin is that we don't connect with the operators very well these days | 14:21 |
| mihalis68_ | hoping that other channels (such as twitter) will work better than openstack-discuss | 14:21 |
| med_ | nod | 14:21 |
| med_ | definitely reading that in logs from 3/19 | 14:21 |
| smcginnis | Seems like a good idea to me. | 14:22 |
| mihalis68_ | evidence: email to that list got zero responses. Getting the list of meetup attendees and emailing them directly got multiple immediate responses | 14:22 |
| emccormick | I'll bug UC people offline since they're asleep here :) | 14:23 |
| med_ | filters. openstack-discuss is _THE_ channel so is also heavily filtered. | 14:23 |
| emccormick | Would be nice to fire it up before Denver | 14:23 |
| mihalis68_ | we are an organising team for a community that we can't actually talk to, it's nuts | 14:23 |
| emccormick | med_ I tagged things [all] to try and get some response when [ops] was silent | 14:23 |
| emccormick | Still crickets | 14:24 |
| med_ | nods | 14:24 |
| emccormick | Berlin people seemed in agreement that social media blurbs would be much more effective | 14:24 |
| smcginnis | Who would monitor and maintain that twitter account? | 14:24 |
| med_ | so I see many more emails (since I don't filter it) but 99.99% I _manually_ ignore. Try and pay more attention to ops labeled stuff. | 14:24 |
| emccormick | smcginnis This was up for debate. I think the idea was this team would maintain it. The UC or foundation could control access if that's more appropriate | 14:25 |
| med_ | I think smcginnis is looking for hands. | 14:25 |
| emccormick | We're looking for guidance in any case | 14:25 |
| med_ | I could help "monitor and maintain". | 14:25 |
| med_ | but as I'm not an op technically speaking, that's probably not the best thing. | 14:26 |
| mihalis68_ | I'm a twitter fiend, so i'm either a good choice to handle posting, or a bad choice, depending on your opinion on this! | 14:26 |
| emccormick | I can just make one and not label as something official, but it would be better if it were at least quasi official | 14:26 |
| emccormick | hehe | 14:26 |
| mihalis68_ | hey that's a very interesting point... | 14:26 |
| smcginnis | I just want to make sure have someone that will be checking it from time to time to respond to any activity intiated by (not ops team) and such. | 14:26 |
| mihalis68_ | should it be offiical? | 14:26 |
| smcginnis | mihalis68_: I like the idea of having one primary person, so if you're OK with that, I think you'd be great for it. | 14:26 |
| smcginnis | We could just go create one right now. | 14:27 |
| mihalis68_ | it could be "official" according to the ops meetups team and yet not "official" according to the foundation. That might be better | 14:27 |
| mihalis68_ | I'll do it | 14:27 |
| mihalis68_ | object before end of meeting if you do not like it | 14:27 |
| med_ | mihalis68_, probably doesn't matter if it gets the right level of interest. And as long as we don't abuse OpenStack or Open Infra or their intellectual property | 14:27 |
| smcginnis | I don't think having someone on the UC create it will make it any more or less official. | 14:27 |
| smcginnis | med_: ++ Good point | 14:27 |
| mihalis68_ | isn't the UC a bit subject to "regulatory capture"? | 14:27 |
| * med_ thanks the gods that he can't even parse that thought | 14:28 | |
| mihalis68_ | for example, would they retweet something like "Mark Shuttleworth's talk was a stinker" ? | 14:28 |
| emccormick | I mainly thought of doing it via governance so that it could maintain continuity should we current folks leave the team or get hit by a bus | 14:28 |
| mihalis68_ | or perhaps the meetups team should be neutral? | 14:28 |
| smcginnis | mihalis68_: Probably neutral. | 14:29 |
| emccormick | I would think the account should mainly just tweet about the events and perhaps local meetups looking for a boost | 14:29 |
| mihalis68_ | ok | 14:29 |
| emccormick | maybe some major initiative that might need people to go look at the mailing list | 14:29 |
| emccormick | My feeling is it should avoid all politics and be very low traffic | 14:29 |
| mihalis68_ | I'll take this as working ground rules for now | 14:29 |
| emccormick | IF it gets spammy people will ignore it | 14:29 |
| mihalis68_ | I'll tweet about stinky talks personally, that's fine :) | 14:30 |
| smcginnis | emccormick: We can probably share the credentials between the folks that want to be involved, but you raise a good point. If mihalis68_ or someone gets really disallusioned and starts sending out crazy inflamatory stuff using the account, we do need some way to get him to stop. :) | 14:30 |
| mihalis68_ | #action mihalis68_ to set up a twitter account for ops notifications | 14:30 |
| smcginnis | Joking and totally hypothetical of course. | 14:30 |
| spotz | Sorry I'm late trying to get endgame tickets!:) | 14:30 |
| mihalis68_ | yes, when social media accounts go bad it's very very bad | 14:31 |
| emccormick | of course ;) | 14:31 |
| emccormick | o/ spotz! | 14:31 |
| * med_ suspects endgame will be in theaters for 5 months.... | 14:31 | |
| med_ | and since I haven't seen Captain Marvel (YET!) not in a hurry. | 14:32 |
| spotz | med_: Yes but it opens the weekend before summit.... | 14:32 |
| med_ | :-) | 14:32 |
| emccormick | I'm sure I"ll end up watching it on a flight like everything else | 14:32 |
| mihalis68_ | if emccormick has to worry about the forum topics, do we need a separate social secretary (I'll continue to speak like I'm going, it's just simpler) | 14:32 |
| mihalis68_ | for a social event | 14:32 |
| emccormick | I watched Infinity War on the flight to Berlin Summit. I imagine I'll see this one on the way to Shanghai | 14:32 |
| mihalis68_ | also is anyone here going to represent ops at PTG (which is glued to the back of the summit) | 14:33 |
| spotz | There's a few places nearby, unless yhere's 10 people no ghost tours in Denver as their normal nights are thurs/fri | 14:33 |
| shintaro | twitter account sounds great. I can take ASIA timezone if needed. | 14:33 |
| emccormick | I nominate med_ as social secretary :D | 14:33 |
| med_ | I will be foruming and ptging. | 14:33 |
| emccormick | abuse the local! | 14:33 |
| spotz | Oh that's a good plan! | 14:33 |
| mihalis68_ | let me say if ever a movie required rewatching on something bigger than an inflight entertainment system it would be Marvel's Infinitely Large Cast | 14:33 |
| emccormick | I thought Wynkoop worked out ok last time | 14:33 |
| med_ | but sadly I know nothing about Denver. I avoid it. But I can ... fake it. | 14:33 |
| emccormick | but I'm game for anything | 14:33 |
| med_ | yep, I'll just leverage past experience if I'm drafted. | 14:34 |
| * med_ has never been to Wynkoop or most other Denver brewpubs/breweries/etc | 14:34 | |
| mihalis68_ | I guess it might be good to get issues that ops want to be discussed at PTG into med_'s hands then | 14:34 |
| spotz | There's some burger places, a beirgarten and some other stuff nearby | 14:34 |
| emccormick | The nice thing about it was it has billiards and darts | 14:34 |
| med_ | it's 16th Street. There's basically EVERYTHING. | 14:35 |
| emccormick | We at least make an effort at allowing for a non-drinking activity | 14:35 |
| spotz | I lost my CC there though:( | 14:35 |
| med_ | I'll chat with some of my RH co-workers based on 16th Street and if I come up with nothing better, we'll social at The Gov's Place (ie Wynkoop) | 14:35 |
| emccormick | doh! | 14:36 |
| * med_ takes a cue from spotz and offers to pay for social and then "lose" his card. bwa ha ha ha ha! | 14:36 | |
| emccormick | Rox are out of town that week, so there should be plenty of space down there | 14:36 |
| emccormick | hehe | 14:36 |
| med_ | now emccormick sounds like the local. | 14:36 |
| * med_ doesn't follow the Rockies any more ... fuddy duddy | 14:37 | |
| emccormick | I have a friend with seasons and went to a game last time I was there for PTG | 14:37 |
| spotz | Ha med_ I didn't notice until I was leaving cause well others were paying for my dinners. So had to cancel my card | 14:37 |
| emccormick | I"m disappointed they're out of town this trip tbh | 14:37 |
| mihalis68_ | not a plot spoiler, but I don't have an update for the next topic (meetup 2 2019) so this is the last meaty topic for today | 14:37 |
| emccormick | *sniffle* | 14:38 |
| mihalis68_ | the person I need to speak to is at least back in the office (he now has a titanium enhanced elbow). I just need to get uptown to the other office and chat with him | 14:38 |
| emccormick | okie doke | 14:39 |
| mihalis68_ | is anyone here going to the cern thing? | 14:39 |
| mihalis68_ | I didn't even ask to go, because honestly a 1 day event in central europe just has too bad a travel/work ratio for me | 14:39 |
| spotz | I wish:( I might see if one trip I'm in Luxembourg if Tim could get me in:) | 14:39 |
| smcginnis | Next trip for me is the summit. | 14:40 |
| med_ | summit for me (then RH summit) | 14:41 |
| mihalis68_ | once I make the twitter account for ops I'll share it via email and then we should tweet the cern thing | 14:41 |
| smcginnis | Good call. | 14:41 |
| mihalis68_ | please retweet that tweet as a way to connect to the new account to your followers | 14:41 |
| emccormick | +1 | 14:42 |
| mihalis68_ | who would like to get the credentials in their inbox? | 14:42 |
| shintaro | haven't tweeted for a long time but will do | 14:42 |
| emccormick | o/ | 14:42 |
| shintaro | o/ | 14:42 |
| mihalis68_ | ok so with 3+ of us having access, we could sign tweets with initials. Thoughts? | 14:43 |
| mihalis68_ | Senators do this so that people know when it really is Orrin Hatch or whoever | 14:43 |
| shintaro | +1 | 14:43 |
| emccormick | sure | 14:43 |
| spotz | +1 | 14:44 |
| med_ | +1 | 14:44 |
| smcginnis | mihalis68_: I'd like creds just in case. | 14:44 |
| mihalis68_ | sure | 14:44 |
| mihalis68_ | manifesto for this account: low-volume, no politics (even OpenStack politics), all content for openstack operators | 14:45 |
| emccormick | +1 | 14:46 |
| smcginnis | Sounds like good ground rules to me. | 14:46 |
| med_ | +1 nicely said | 14:46 |
| mihalis68_ | something that ... careful... seems like good value to blast out to all the potential consumers of ops related content | 14:46 |
| med_ | from our re-tweets we can add "color" | 14:46 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah that's right. This could be good | 14:47 |
| spotz | Woot tickets finally went through!!!!:) | 14:47 |
| med_ | enjoy the show | 14:47 |
| mihalis68_ | spoiler: spiderman comes back to life | 14:47 |
| spotz | mihalis68_: hehehe | 14:47 |
| mihalis68_ | I mean, he's in new trailers already, so... | 14:47 |
| emccormick | Stupid technology. When I was a kid, you had to go camp out in line! *shakes fist* | 14:47 |
| spotz | Yeah they're either messing with us or giving stuff away | 14:48 |
| emccormick | Maybe he's just been in the subatomic ant-man dimension | 14:48 |
| mihalis68_ | when I was a kid I saw Star Wars in the US, then went back to the UK and nobody had ever heard of nor seen the movie... for more than a year afterwards | 14:48 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic any other business | 14:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "any other business (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:49 | |
| mihalis68_ | I put the new twitter account idea in this section of the minutes, but we already debated it. Another thing we sometimes talk about is: is the meeting time and cadence ok? | 14:49 |
| emccormick | So far so good for me. | 14:50 |
| shintaro | better in summer time :) | 14:50 |
| emccormick | FWIW I will probably be absent meeting after next. Taking the kiddos to Florida to splash in a lake for a week | 14:50 |
| emccormick | and drink my uncle's beer | 14:50 |
| smcginnis | shintaro: I do feel bad for you with this time. :] | 14:51 |
| mihalis68_ | ok | 14:51 |
| smcginnis | Does work well for EU and US though. | 14:51 |
| mihalis68_ | I've asked shintaro about this time, he said it's ok, he's at home and it's quiet | 14:51 |
| shintaro | NP | 14:51 |
| mihalis68_ | nevertheless we could have alternate meeting in a better time for APAC | 14:51 |
| med_ | thanks shintaro | 14:51 |
| shintaro | right | 14:51 |
| * med_ is fine with another time or alternating times | 14:52 | |
| mihalis68_ | continuing to bring it up just tries to make it easier for someone to ask for a change if they need it | 14:52 |
| mihalis68_ | last call for comment before we call it | 14:52 |
| med_ | THANKS TO ALL WHO MADE BERLIN HAPPEN AND A SUCCESS. | 14:53 |
| emccormick | *snoopy dance* | 14:53 |
| mihalis68_ | med_ that reminds me I was going to write up something about it. The event worked, but as a co-organiser the process is now extremely fragile. I'll see if I can get something down | 14:53 |
| med_ | nod | 14:54 |
| mihalis68_ | #endmeeting | 14:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Topics related to operating OpenStack infrastructure | Mailing list: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/" | 14:54 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 2 14:54:15 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2019/ops_meetup_team.2019-04-02-14.08.html | 14:54 |
| smcginnis | Thanks! | 14:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2019/ops_meetup_team.2019-04-02-14.08.txt | 14:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2019/ops_meetup_team.2019-04-02-14.08.log.html | 14:54 |
| mihalis68_ | thanks everyone! | 14:54 |
| shintaro | thank you | 14:54 |
| emccormick | Hey, quick thing for anyone going to PTG | 14:54 |
| emccormick | There's a thread going around on the list RE: mucking with the number of endpoints | 14:54 |
| spotz | Thanks! | 14:55 |
| *** shintaro has quit IRC | 14:55 | |
| emccormick | I suspect that Operator negativity toward the idea of a single endpoint per project will be severe if they actually read the email | 14:55 |
| smcginnis | emccormick: Would be good to get more ops input on that discussion. | 14:55 |
| emccormick | I, personally, am opposed to getting rid of Internal / Public | 14:55 |
| emccormick | I'm fine with Admin going | 14:56 |
| emccormick | but yeah, if you all have input, don't let that one get shoved through as a release goal | 14:56 |
| emccormick | I'm not sure if release goals is happening during Forum still or got moved to PTG | 14:56 |
| emccormick | anywho </soapbox> | 14:57 |
| mihalis68_ | I think that's a fine topic | 14:57 |
| mihalis68_ | it's kind of the point of poking the operator anthill with a stick, getting opinions on new proposals from the developers | 14:58 |
| emccormick | yep! | 14:58 |
| emccormick | ok, back to building servers ad nauseum. I need an intern. *sigh* | 14:59 |
| mihalis68_ | TTFN | 14:59 |
| spotz | Have fun emccormick I miss building servers! | 15:02 |
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