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emccormick | o/ | 14:03 |
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shintaro | hi | 14:04 |
mihalis68_ | hi | 14:04 |
mihalis68_ | #startmeeting ops-meetup-team | 14:04 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 18 14:04:31 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:04 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:04 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:04 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' | 14:04 |
smcginnis | o/ | 14:04 |
mihalis68_ | I haven't put together the agenda for today | 14:04 |
mihalis68_ | I just wanted to wake this up and work out next steps | 14:04 |
mihalis68_ | hi smcginnis and congratulations on teh new role! | 14:04 |
mihalis68_ | time is moving on rapidly, i think we really need the eventbrite ticket to be issued. | 14:05 |
mihalis68_ | I'm going to try and get that done | 14:05 |
mihalis68_ | #action mihalis68_ get the eventbrite issued for the NYC meetup in september | 14:06 |
emccormick | agreed | 14:06 |
emccormick | no cover charge this time, right? | 14:07 |
mihalis68_ | that was what I was told when we made the firm offer. I need to reverify with my open source supremo within bloomberg | 14:07 |
mihalis68_ | but no charge and lunch included is the plan! :) | 14:08 |
smcginnis | Ah, that was a Bloomberg thing? | 14:08 |
mihalis68_ | yes | 14:08 |
smcginnis | Cool. Thanks Bloomberg! | 14:08 |
mihalis68_ | we instituted the charge to deter the casual moocher | 14:08 |
mihalis68_ | but I think the government issued ID requirement might scare such people off (just a guess) | 14:08 |
mihalis68_ | will you be able to come still, given your new job? | 14:08 |
smcginnis | Not sure yet. | 14:09 |
smcginnis | I plan on discussing events and travel later this week, so hopefully I will know soon. | 14:09 |
emccormick | You're supposed to get these things put in your employment contract :D | 14:09 |
smcginnis | ;) | 14:09 |
emccormick | Sure I'll come work for you, but I must be funded to attend all Ops Meetups and Summits | 14:10 |
mihalis68_ | heh no job heckling here plz | 14:10 |
emccormick | *taunts you most egregiously* | 14:10 |
emccormick | What's your impression of the crowdedness at the ping pong place? | 14:10 |
mihalis68_ | ok, skeletal agenda now up | 14:10 |
mihalis68_ | #link #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 14:10 |
emccormick | are we going to need a reservation? | 14:10 |
mihalis68_ | I mentioned the idea to boss^2 and he was tentatively in favor | 14:11 |
emccormick | depends on attendance to some extent I suppose | 14:11 |
mihalis68_ | it might be that we get the booking and some other attending organisation gets some money in for snacks and drinks | 14:11 |
mihalis68_ | can't promise that | 14:11 |
mihalis68_ | #action mihalis68_ to check if we can also do wearespin booking for ops meetup in NYC, September | 14:12 |
emccormick | What's required for a booking? | 14:12 |
mihalis68_ | emccormick knows about this because I shared photos of a recent bloomberg leadership event there | 14:12 |
mihalis68_ | I'll find out | 14:12 |
mihalis68_ | I think a few tables is cheap, but we had a table+food+drink for 2 hour deal | 14:13 |
mihalis68_ | I can still hit a pingpong ball ok in good light, but two steps further back from the table I'm hopeless #damnyouaging | 14:13 |
smcginnis | Even if we had to do something like reserved tables, but food and drink is on your own or up to another company to cover, I thin kthat would be fine. | 14:13 |
mihalis68_ | yeah, I'll err on the side of getting something done, instead of holding out for something more lavish | 14:14 |
mihalis68_ | we don't need lavish | 14:14 |
mihalis68_ | in case anyone isn't familiar, it's basically a pingpong hall with attached bar/grill on the side. I love it | 14:14 |
mihalis68_ | other than that, I would like to repeat the encouragemnet to get topics up, and +1 existing ones | 14:15 |
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emccormick | I put a couple things before but haven't looked in a couple weeks. Need to follow up on that | 14:15 |
emccormick | maybe another twitter ping is in order | 14:15 |
mihalis68_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NYC19-OPS-MEETUP | 14:16 |
shintaro | we have about 13 topic proposals | 14:16 |
mihalis68_ | ok. I'll retweet the link | 14:17 |
mihalis68_ | I'd like the ops team to make the decision on moving topics from proposed to accepted | 14:17 |
mihalis68_ | should we start that next week? | 14:17 |
smcginnis | +1 | 14:17 |
med_ | +1 | 14:17 |
mihalis68_ | the bit that's missing right now is agreed or at least penciled in moderators | 14:17 |
mihalis68_ | I imagine this here meeting will provide moderators for a few | 14:18 |
shintaro | +1 | 14:18 |
* med_ could likely moderate stuff but won't have a lot to contribute other than refereeing | 14:18 | |
mihalis68_ | and for example the redhat proposed octavia one proposes the moderator at the same time | 14:18 |
mihalis68_ | med_ that's all the moderator really has to do | 14:18 |
med_ | yep | 14:18 |
mihalis68_ | some moderators do lead technically, but not required | 14:18 |
mihalis68_ | I've moderated a ceph session or two in front of Sage Weill :) | 14:19 |
med_ | been there, done that. warm body with black and white livery to ref. | 14:19 |
emccormick | and shout "wake the @#$% up!" periodically | 14:19 |
mihalis68_ | ha ha | 14:19 |
mihalis68_ | also med_ throws more swag than the next nearest 10 moderators - this counts for a lot | 14:19 |
emccormick | stay awake or be hit in the face with a fedora-wearing duck | 14:19 |
mihalis68_ | (but also not required! :) | 14:19 |
med_ | you got that right. | 14:20 |
mihalis68_ | I always wanted a James Gosling t-shirt gun | 14:20 |
* med_ is sitting in front of leftover swag from Vancouver summit | 14:20 | |
med_ | all flingable | 14:20 |
mihalis68_ | excellent | 14:20 |
mihalis68_ | where I can see a popular topic with moderator I will start an etherpad, and then we will agree that those topics are officially on the agenda starting next week | 14:21 |
mihalis68_ | yes? | 14:21 |
emccormick | sounds good | 14:22 |
mihalis68_ | cool | 14:22 |
shintaro | sounds reasonable | 14:22 |
mihalis68_ | that's it for now for NYC (and that's a lot!) | 14:22 |
mihalis68_ | thanks for the feedback | 14:22 |
mihalis68_ | I feel like mentioning shanghai deadlines are coming up now | 14:22 |
* smcginnis notices mihalis68_ gets all the #actions | 14:22 | |
mihalis68_ | #topic next openstack summit | 14:22 |
*** openstack changes topic to "next openstack summit (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:22 | |
smcginnis | CFP ends soon, so if anyone has a good talk idea, please get that in. | 14:23 |
mihalis68_ | smcginnis it's ok for NYC, it's literally part of my job | 14:23 |
shintaro | do we have OpsMeetup room in Shanghai? | 14:23 |
med_ | ashleigh ferguson (or ashlee I forget) is definitely looking for submissions | 14:23 |
mihalis68_ | spotz and I were here last week | 14:23 |
emccormick | ops meetup in shanghai seems dicey now based on the PTG structure | 14:23 |
mihalis68_ | she says Erin asked how many people an ops meetup at the summit would be and she replied 15-20 | 14:24 |
emccormick | I kinda thought it was no problem but now I don't know | 14:24 |
mihalis68_ | I saw the PTG email but ... tl;dr | 14:24 |
emccormick | 15-20?? seems kinda light | 14:24 |
mihalis68_ | can summarize plz? | 14:24 |
emccormick | but who knows | 14:24 |
emccormick | summary: large teams will have a dedicated room but most teams will be in a large shared space | 14:24 |
emccormick | ie. It didn't sound like a lot of room | 14:25 |
mihalis68_ | well, china is pretty small after all | 14:25 |
emccormick | also PTG starts on Wednesday (Summit day 3) | 14:25 |
mihalis68_ | ^ joke-type humor-thing, hopefully obvious | 14:25 |
emccormick | so Forum is only 2 days. They neglect to mention that it's really 1.5 days because keynotes blow up monday morning | 14:25 |
shintaro | So OpsMeetup will be one of the PTG sessions in open space? | 14:26 |
mihalis68_ | maybe we can divide and conquer a bit? Erik and Sean maybe you can have a look at what's possible for shanghai for ops? | 14:26 |
emccormick | Honestly I dunno. It would seem it would need to be given that's the only other part of the event happening those days | 14:26 |
emccormick | I guess an email to Erin and Kendall is in order? | 14:27 |
mihalis68_ | I am hesitant to officially be part of PTG for ops | 14:27 |
mihalis68_ | there's a sort of impedance mismatch | 14:27 |
emccormick | I don't think it's meant to be part of PTG at all | 14:27 |
emccormick | but that space is what's available unless we go somewhere on our own | 14:27 |
emccormick | and that complicates things quite a bit | 14:27 |
mihalis68_ | can I action you to survey latest facts and email the people who might be able help clarify? | 14:28 |
emccormick | Yes I will be the spammer | 14:28 |
mihalis68_ | #action emccormick to sp... email people to work out what we may be able to do for ops meetup in shanghai | 14:28 |
mihalis68_ | anything else about shanghai for today? | 14:28 |
emccormick | nyet | 14:29 |
mihalis68_ | #topic ops meetups 2020 | 14:29 |
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shintaro | I've contacted Jay from Korea and confirmed that he is okay to move to 2nd 2020 for Korea | 14:29 |
mihalis68_ | I had an action to look at how the regional rotation might work for future meetups | 14:29 |
mihalis68_ | have not had a chance | 14:29 |
mihalis68_ | action continues | 14:29 |
mihalis68_ | aha, that's great, thanks Shintaro! | 14:30 |
mihalis68_ | does this mean meetup #1 would be in the USA? | 14:30 |
mihalis68_ | I forget | 14:30 |
mihalis68_ | I think erik like USA, other, USA, other2 | 14:30 |
shintaro | EU if I remember correct | 14:30 |
emccormick | We talked about doing EU and skipping a USA | 14:30 |
mihalis68_ | or at least NA | 14:30 |
mihalis68_ | ah ok | 14:30 |
emccormick | just this once to reset the rotation | 14:30 |
mihalis68_ | is there an idea for an EU ops meetup in 2020? | 14:30 |
mihalis68_ | sorry, didn't prepare for today, lots going on here | 14:30 |
emccormick | so NYC->EU->APAC->US | 14:31 |
mihalis68_ | we can try | 14:31 |
emccormick | then resume the every other North America one | 14:31 |
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mihalis68_ | works for me, but may be self-serving | 14:31 |
emccormick | if it doesn't work, so be it, but it would get us in better opposition to Summit locaitons | 14:31 |
mihalis68_ | ok | 14:31 |
mihalis68_ | seems like an agreed rough working goal | 14:32 |
mihalis68_ | we could tweet this out too | 14:32 |
emccormick | so then for 2020 Part One we would look for an EU host | 14:32 |
mihalis68_ | see if there are EU hosts thinking about it | 14:32 |
mihalis68_ | snap! | 14:32 |
mihalis68_ | I'll tweet it | 14:32 |
mihalis68_ | from our shared twitter | 14:32 |
emccormick | and I think Simon or somebody had a volunteer? | 14:32 |
mihalis68_ | seems familiar | 14:33 |
smcginnis | Let's invade CERN again. :) | 14:33 |
emccormick | hopefully the tweet will wake them | 14:33 |
mihalis68_ | again? I've never been! | 14:33 |
mihalis68_ | so jealous | 14:33 |
smcginnis | Me neither, that's why I want a do-over. | 14:33 |
emccormick | Yeah that'd be super | 14:33 |
mihalis68_ | absolutely | 14:33 |
emccormick | All Neutron-related sessions to be held in the LHC | 14:34 |
shintaro | Somewhere Nordic would be nice, too | 14:34 |
emccormick | *nod* | 14:34 |
mihalis68_ | a friend of mine keeps going arctic circle porsche ice driving and tells me I must try it | 14:34 |
* smcginnis really likes Copenhagen | 14:35 | |
smcginnis | mihalis68_: Get studded tires on the Porsche? :D | 14:35 |
mihalis68_ | so it needs to be here: https://experience.porsche.com/en/ice | 14:35 |
spotz | Sorry I'm late | 14:35 |
mihalis68_ | welcome spotz | 14:35 |
emccormick | o/ | 14:35 |
mihalis68_ | erik is actioned to email people and try to work out if an ops meetup in shanghai is still doable | 14:35 |
med_ | I liked Copenhagen a lot and would readily return. | 14:36 |
med_ | but I'm open to any Nordic or LHC trips. | 14:36 |
mihalis68_ | would rather drive their car on ice | 14:36 |
mihalis68_ | med_ you're a lapsed hard sciencer right? | 14:36 |
mihalis68_ | rocket surgeon or similar? | 14:37 |
med_ | not really, but was very interested. I was a EE in school. Ah, did some guidance work for the USAF. | 14:37 |
mihalis68_ | aha! | 14:37 |
med_ | but not bleeding edge. Merely replacing what was done with TTL with a computer. | 14:37 |
med_ | so I claim (a little bit) that I was a rocket scientist. | 14:37 |
mihalis68_ | you're a rocket scientist like I'm a submariner | 14:37 |
mihalis68_ | :P | 14:37 |
med_ | probably so. | 14:37 |
mihalis68_ | think we might be near to done | 14:38 |
mihalis68_ | #topic any other business | 14:38 |
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* med_ has been in a stationery inland submarine but only in a rocket launch tube, not the actual rocket itself. | 14:38 | |
mihalis68_ | is there any comment on this meeting cadence, timing etc? | 14:38 |
mihalis68_ | nobody turned up the past two weeks, but That's Ok (tm) | 14:38 |
emccormick | fine with me | 14:38 |
shintaro | nope | 14:38 |
mihalis68_ | ok then, last call for comments, suggestions , gripes | 14:38 |
emccormick | just work hell ruined previous weeks. No time would have worked better | 14:39 |
mihalis68_ | understood | 14:39 |
mihalis68_ | this is why I like being involved with operators in particular | 14:39 |
mihalis68_ | we go and get dirty-handed, so to speak | 14:39 |
mihalis68_ | ok occasionally we get completely blown up, but that's the job | 14:39 |
mihalis68_ | we just found a fantastically awful bug in ubuntu | 14:40 |
med_ | win? | 14:40 |
mihalis68_ | on certain kernels the "TLB shootdowns" can paralyze an entire hypervisor for many seconds | 14:40 |
mihalis68_ | guests see kernel exceptions, kernel crashes, packet loss, you name it | 14:40 |
med_ | ick. | 14:40 |
mihalis68_ | anyway, deploying a newer kernel today and so happy | 14:40 |
emccormick | That's icky | 14:41 |
mihalis68_ | basically the background chores can build up and it takes a blocking vacation to go clean up | 14:41 |
mihalis68_ | dirty page handling | 14:41 |
mihalis68_ | not ubuntu _per se_ | 14:41 |
mihalis68_ | I just mean the kernel we happened to be running (ubuntu distro) | 14:41 |
emccormick | just their chosen version | 14:42 |
mihalis68_ | yeah | 14:42 |
mihalis68_ | last weeks fun was IP address renumbering an entire cluster *whilst preserving VMs* | 14:42 |
emccormick | I like my old stale Centos kernels TYVM | 14:42 |
emccormick | hehe | 14:42 |
emccormick | 3.10 FTW | 14:42 |
mihalis68_ | ok, my diversionary tactics didn't throw up any more ops meetups team business | 14:42 |
mihalis68_ | last call | 14:42 |
mihalis68_ | good luck to smcginnis on defining his new role! We hope he can continue with us here :) | 14:43 |
mihalis68_ | #endmeeting | 14:43 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Topics related to operating OpenStack infrastructure | Mailing list: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/" | 14:43 | |
openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 18 14:43:32 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:43 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2019/ops_meetup_team.2019-06-18-14.04.html | 14:43 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2019/ops_meetup_team.2019-06-18-14.04.txt | 14:43 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2019/ops_meetup_team.2019-06-18-14.04.log.html | 14:43 |
mihalis68_ | apologies for the "royal we". Used sparingly | 14:43 |
mihalis68_ | thanks everyone | 14:43 |
emccormick | hehe | 14:44 |
shintaro | thank you | 14:44 |
* med_ thinks those will be good war story topics in NYC | 14:44 | |
mihalis68_ | yeah! | 14:44 |
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mihalis68_ | I don't actually remember how to do those indented parenthetical comments SUCH JEALOUS | 14:44 |
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smcginnis | Thanks mihalis68_ | 14:46 |
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spotz | Thanks all | 15:02 |
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