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| spotz | feeding hoorse brb | 15:01 |
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| martingehrke | Hi, are we having a "meeting" today? | 15:10 |
| mihalis68_ | yes, I think we're due | 15:11 |
| mihalis68_ | just a bit delayed by previous meeting | 15:11 |
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| mihalis68_ | #startmeeting ops-meetup-team | 15:11 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 28 15:11:42 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:11 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 15:11 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' | 15:11 |
| mihalis68_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 15:11 |
| mihalis68_ | I haven't put an agenda there yet, I'll fill it in when I get a chance | 15:12 |
| shintaro | hi | 15:12 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic actions | 15:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 15:13 | |
| mihalis68_ | most of my actions related to the London meetup | 15:13 |
| mihalis68_ | so they're complete or moot | 15:13 |
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| mihalis68_ | We also had an action to narrow down the date range for the SK meetup. let's get to that later | 15:14 |
| spotz | ok back | 15:14 |
| mihalis68_ | any other actions to report? | 15:14 |
| VW_ | o/ | 15:14 |
| mihalis68_ | o/ | 15:14 |
| mihalis68_ | ping emccormick | 15:14 |
| mihalis68_ | doubt there are any other actions to be reported right now | 15:15 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic london review | 15:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "london review (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 15:15 | |
| emccormick | Oops thanks for ping | 15:15 |
| emccormick | No new actions from me | 15:16 |
| mihalis68_ | #link here's the event as it happened https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LON-2020-OPS-AGENDA | 15:16 |
| mihalis68_ | #link and here's the feedback https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LON-2020-OPS-FEEDBACK | 15:16 |
| mihalis68_ | so I'd say the event went very well | 15:16 |
| mihalis68_ | perhaps the best for a while? | 15:16 |
| mihalis68_ | I may be appearing immodest | 15:16 |
| martingehrke | what made it better than NYC? I don't have more to compare it against | 15:17 |
| mihalis68_ | I feel like almost none of the sessions got slow/draggy | 15:19 |
| mihalis68_ | nyc was good too | 15:19 |
| mihalis68_ | thoughts erik | 15:19 |
| mihalis68_ | ? | 15:19 |
| emccormick | We started slow but after that first session folks were pretty chatty | 15:19 |
| martingehrke | there was considerably more ceph discussion in London than NYC, which wasn't a bad thing. I don't remember skipping session in NYC to continue previous session. | 15:20 |
| emccormick | Felt like NYC took longer to ramp up | 15:20 |
| emccormick | But generally both were good | 15:20 |
| emccormick | We were a little more rigid in NY | 15:20 |
| emccormick | London we tried to go with the flow a bit more | 15:21 |
| mihalis68_ | martin : nyc wasn't at all bad, but a few meetups ago we did kinda struggle in Tokyo, for example | 15:21 |
| emccormick | Moved on when things got slow, extended or revisited things that were hot topics. | 15:21 |
| emccormick | I liked that | 15:22 |
| spotz | In board meeting I jsut found out, ping if needed here | 15:22 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah, learned that trick from PTG which apparently has a nice system for just starting a topic, doing it for a while, then moving on, that is integrated with slack | 15:23 |
| mihalis68_ | feedback about ceph specifically was mostly positive, but someone did say that was about the most we should jam into an openstack ops meetup | 15:23 |
| mihalis68_ | I haven't been back to remind myself on the feedback for the idea of splitting a ceph meetup off from the openstack stream | 15:24 |
| mihalis68_ | I'll do that, though | 15:24 |
| mihalis68_ | #action mihalis68_ review feedback on ceph content in ops meetup, splitting ceph content out etc | 15:24 |
| mihalis68_ | how did you think it went martin? | 15:24 |
| mihalis68_ | one thing not quite so good in London is getting in and out of the building. That building is ... quite something | 15:25 |
| mihalis68_ | we could consider adopting ptgbot or whatever that thing is called? | 15:26 |
| mihalis68_ | ping smcginnis | 15:26 |
| mihalis68_ | he might have insight on whether that's feasible | 15:26 |
| mihalis68_ | haven't heard from him for a while | 15:26 |
| mihalis68_ | correction: integrated with IRC, not slack | 15:26 |
| mihalis68_ | alright, guess nobody has any more to say on that | 15:27 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic vancouver | 15:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "vancouver (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 15:27 | |
| mihalis68_ | the foundation has announced an event in Vancouver https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 15:28 |
| mihalis68_ | June 8 - 11, 2020 | 15:28 |
| mihalis68_ | Vancouver Convention Centre | 15:28 |
| mihalis68_ | Vancouver, British Columbia | 15:28 |
| mihalis68_ | https://www.eventbrite.com/e/opendev-ptg-vancouver-2020-tickets-88923270897 | 15:29 |
| mihalis68_ | the total event is "opendev+ptg" I believe | 15:29 |
| VW_ | Hey folks - sorry - I have to drop | 15:29 |
| VW_ | will catch up on remaining discussion later | 15:30 |
| mihalis68_ | no worries | 15:30 |
| shintaro | so no summit type session this time | 15:30 |
| mihalis68_ | it's opendev in the mornings, ptg in the afternoons | 15:30 |
| mihalis68_ | I think the main thing that is absent is the marketplace | 15:31 |
| shintaro | not sure how opendev works but seems no forum? | 15:31 |
| mihalis68_ | honestly I can't say I fully comprehend the scope yet | 15:31 |
| mihalis68_ | it's in the east building, so not the one we've been in mostly in previous trips to vancouver | 15:32 |
| mihalis68_ | erik have you drilled into what this event looks like for operators by any chance? | 15:32 |
| martingehrke | interesting | 15:32 |
| martingehrke | what does opendev mean? | 15:32 |
| martingehrke | this makes me less concerned I can't make it | 15:32 |
| mihalis68_ | the openstack foundation has started to host other top level projects besides openstack | 15:33 |
| mihalis68_ | so the openstack summit becomes the opendev summit | 15:33 |
| mihalis68_ | further, the big showy event is now once per year | 15:33 |
| mihalis68_ | in 2020 that one is the second event which may be in germany | 15:33 |
| martingehrke | good to know | 15:34 |
| mihalis68_ | so the one in vancouver is more dev and operator focused and less vendor focused | 15:34 |
| mihalis68_ | someone correct me if I'm not explaining it well | 15:34 |
| mihalis68_ | the foundation hosts openstack, zuul, airship, kata containers and starlingx | 15:34 |
| mihalis68_ | I expect to go to vancouver | 15:35 |
| mihalis68_ | (haven't actually asked yet, mind you :P | 15:35 |
| shintaro | can't find any operator specific sessions in the event discription | 15:35 |
| shintaro | It seems to be more like design summit to me | 15:36 |
| emccormick | It does explicitly mention Operators in the description | 15:37 |
| emccormick | It is a weird thing. Half Opendev Day like they've done in the past with presentation in the morning | 15:37 |
| emccormick | half working sessions like PTG in the afternoon | 15:37 |
| mihalis68_ | honestly, there is some confusion shown even in the foundation website | 15:37 |
| emccormick | afternoon is actually the PTG this cycle | 15:37 |
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| mihalis68_ | it says that " If you’re brand new to OSF projects, you might want to attend the Open Infrastructure Summit event instead, which features presentations, forum sessions (designed to get wider community feedback) and on-boarding sessions." but if you click the link you go to a page that includes this event | 15:38 |
| mihalis68_ | I understand how this happened. this event is on the page that previously only listed Summits | 15:39 |
| emccormick | yeah it's really confusing jamesmcarthur :D | 15:39 |
| mihalis68_ | since PTG was a distinct event | 15:39 |
| mihalis68_ | now opendev+ptg replaces summit 1 | 15:39 |
| jamesmcarthur | mihalis68_ correct | 15:39 |
| mihalis68_ | 2020 has opendev+ptg and then openinfra summit | 15:39 |
| jamesmcarthur | and working on moving the OpenDev+PTG page out of the /summit destination into something like /events | 15:40 |
| jamesmcarthur | should be up in the next day or two | 15:40 |
| emccormick | What exactly are the morning sessions like? Straight up presentations? | 15:40 |
| mihalis68_ | totally understandable | 15:40 |
| emccormick | or more Forumy? | 15:40 |
| jamesmcarthur | More fishbowly / collaborative sessions | 15:40 |
| mihalis68_ | the web site structure reflects a set of assumptions upended by reimagining these vents | 15:40 |
| mihalis68_ | events | 15:40 |
| jamesmcarthur | indeed | 15:41 |
| mihalis68_ | I don't see "Forum" | 15:41 |
| jamesmcarthur | There won't be a proper Forum in Vancouver. However, there will be designated spaces where gropus can get together outside of the PTG | 15:41 |
| mihalis68_ | I think this new structure is probably easier to follow than some of the other reorgs | 15:41 |
| jamesmcarthur | Like "free range" space kind of deal | 15:41 |
| jamesmcarthur | We try to keep everyone on their toes ;) | 15:41 |
| emccormick | hah | 15:42 |
| jamesmcarthur | Seriously though, expect a more clear explanation in the coming days/weeks | 15:42 |
| mihalis68_ | Summit+PTG+ops meetup denver 2018 was hard to grasp | 15:42 |
| mihalis68_ | jamesmcarthur I think I like i better already | 15:42 |
| jamesmcarthur | good to hear! :) | 15:42 |
| emccormick | I'm just trying to get a grip on what sort of sessions to propose for where | 15:42 |
| mihalis68_ | although I'll miss the keynotes and hoopla | 15:42 |
| mihalis68_ | let's all just take an action to understand vancouver and then work out what operator content (if any) this team can facilitate | 15:43 |
| mihalis68_ | yes? | 15:43 |
| martingehrke | +1 | 15:43 |
| shintaro | +1 | 15:43 |
| mihalis68_ | great | 15:44 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic south korea | 15:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "south korea (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 15:44 | |
| emccormick | +1 :) | 15:44 |
| mihalis68_ | erik where did that discussion setle? | 15:44 |
| shintaro | no response from Jaesuk yet | 15:44 |
| emccormick | Never heard back from Jaesuk | 15:44 |
| emccormick | *nod* | 15:44 |
| mihalis68_ | worrying | 15:44 |
| emccormick | Everyone seems in agreement on September | 15:44 |
| shintaro | I will ping him again | 15:45 |
| mihalis68_ | is he part of the hosting org? | 15:45 |
| emccormick | I think preference is overall either right at the beginning (before Labor Day) or way at the end (after Labor Day week) | 15:45 |
| mihalis68_ | if not maybe we need a direct line to a person from SKTelecom? | 15:45 |
| emccormick | He is from SK | 15:45 |
| mihalis68_ | erik you did some important research on flights, hotels and adjoining conferences | 15:45 |
| mihalis68_ | are both of those slots good from those angles? | 15:46 |
| emccormick | Yes. that 3 week September stretch is clear the whole time | 15:46 |
| emccormick | No big events conflicting, hotels cheap as chips, flights reasonable | 15:46 |
| mihalis68_ | I'm a bit concerned that they might be getting cold feet if he's stopped responding | 15:46 |
| emccormick | I mean, Grand Hyatt for $139? Nom nom | 15:46 |
| mihalis68_ | I recall that happened when $MEGACHIPVENDOR abandoned their offer to host (twice in fact) | 15:47 |
| emccormick | Don't panic! | 15:47 |
| mihalis68_ | alright who can get a straight story from him? If it's still offered, we should bring those two slots to the community | 15:47 |
| mihalis68_ | I have every right to panic. Who do you think will be organising meetup #2 if SK falls through? :) | 15:48 |
| emccormick | *nudge* shintaro ? | 15:48 |
| mihalis68_ | and hosting too.... | 15:48 |
| shintaro | I will ping him again. I got response from him on last month that he will join this month | 15:48 |
| martingehrke | :( | 15:48 |
| emccormick | Also tell him that if we can settle on the dates, he is welcome to delegate <minion> for the planning | 15:49 |
| shintaro | I will | 15:49 |
| emccormick | He's a busy dude. We can respect and work with that | 15:49 |
| mihalis68_ | great, thanks | 15:49 |
| mihalis68_ | #action shintaro to follow up urgently with Jaesuk regarding the SKTelecom offer to host in September | 15:49 |
| shintaro | I heard he just launched their broadcasting cloud or something | 15:50 |
| mihalis68_ | yeah yeah, we just launched prod cloud on rocky in three datacenters | 15:50 |
| mihalis68_ | everyone is busy | 15:50 |
| mihalis68_ | erik has two jobs | 15:50 |
| emccormick | srsly | 15:51 |
| mihalis68_ | alright. Anything else re: meetup #2? I am thinking I'm NOT going to run that one | 15:51 |
| mihalis68_ | :P | 15:51 |
| emccormick | Speaking of which, they are both pinging me relentlessly. Anything else we need to hit? | 15:51 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic any other business | 15:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "any other business (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 15:51 | |
| mihalis68_ | we may be done for today | 15:51 |
| mihalis68_ | more next week I would hope | 15:51 |
| mihalis68_ | martin shall we ping you for future meetings? :) | 15:52 |
| mihalis68_ | the eternal question is does this meeting cadence and time slot still work? | 15:52 |
| mihalis68_ | I would be ok with moving it now TBH | 15:52 |
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| mihalis68_ | last call | 15:53 |
| mihalis68_ | thanks to everyone who attended, even if briefly | 15:53 |
| mihalis68_ | same time next week for now then | 15:53 |
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| shintaro | thank you | 15:53 |
| emccormick | Thanks everybody! TTYL | 15:53 |
| mihalis68_ | #endmeeting | 15:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Topics related to operating OpenStack infrastructure | Mailing list: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/" | 15:53 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 28 15:53:39 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:53 |
| martingehrke | yes pleas: I will try to be on | 15:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2020/ops_meetup_team.2020-01-28-15.11.html | 15:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2020/ops_meetup_team.2020-01-28-15.11.txt | 15:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2020/ops_meetup_team.2020-01-28-15.11.log.html | 15:53 |
| mihalis68_ | great new martin, thanks! | 15:53 |
| mihalis68_ | *news | 15:53 |
| emccormick | Good to have you martingehrke! | 15:53 |
| mihalis68_ | +1 | 15:54 |
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| martingehrke | happy to do what I can | 15:54 |
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