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| spotz | Hey:) | 14:01 |
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| mihalis68_ | good morning | 14:02 |
| mihalis68_ | i did my best to register some sessions for ops in october | 14:02 |
| mihalis68_ | to be honest I'm not even sure what kind of event that is | 14:02 |
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| smcginnis | o/ | 14:03 |
| mihalis68_ | o/ | 14:03 |
| spotz | Summit with FOrum and then PTG the next week | 14:03 |
| mihalis68_ | #startmeeting ops-meetup-team | 14:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 15 14:04:42 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mihalis68_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' | 14:04 |
| mihalis68_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 14:05 |
| mihalis68_ | I have not put anything on the agenda, but that's where it should go | 14:05 |
| mihalis68_ | just wanted to try and get going again | 14:05 |
| mihalis68_ | first off, how is everyone? | 14:05 |
| shintaro | o/ | 14:06 |
| smcginnis | Alive. :] | 14:06 |
| mihalis68_ | it is literally cold here. I think it's the smoke haze reaching the east coast | 14:07 |
| mihalis68_ | NYC is not doing as bad as some would have you believe, however | 14:07 |
| mihalis68_ | it's healthy enough to have a traffic jam and horns blaring outside my window right now! | 14:07 |
| smcginnis | The sun was red here this morning. I'm assuming it's from the smoke too. | 14:08 |
| mihalis68_ | so, to business | 14:08 |
| mihalis68_ | I put down for 4 hours of PTG | 14:08 |
| mihalis68_ | which is currently propsed to be : | 14:09 |
| mihalis68_ | 1 ops team catchup | 14:09 |
| spotz | It was actually nice here yesterday. Had a breeze when I rode in the morning and trained the dogs at 6 at night | 14:09 |
| mihalis68_ | 2 long term maintenance/EM branches | 14:09 |
| mihalis68_ | 3 ops/openstack/ceph | 14:09 |
| mihalis68_ | 4 OsOps (Sean) | 14:09 |
| smcginnis | +1 | 14:10 |
| mihalis68_ | I didn't put in for forum sessions, howevr | 14:10 |
| mihalis68_ | to be honest, I don't comprehend the upcoming event at all. Have not been paying attenion | 14:10 |
| smcginnis | That's probably fine for now. At least it's a start and keeps things going. | 14:10 |
| dcapone2004 | I saw a message on the mailing list about this group/team was wondering if someone could provide a summary of this team/group and its purpose / goals.... | 14:10 |
| mihalis68_ | sure thing | 14:11 |
| mihalis68_ | this meeting is the "Ops Meetups Team". | 14:11 |
| mihalis68_ | that's openstack operators | 14:11 |
| spotz | Usually i Forum we have like the war stories session | 14:11 |
| mihalis68_ | i.e. people actually running the stuff | 14:11 |
| mihalis68_ | I think we missed the forum deadline? I onl;y just spotted jimmy's email about that | 14:11 |
| mihalis68_ | perhaps it's not too late | 14:11 |
| spotz | mihalis68_: Not yet | 14:11 |
| mihalis68_ | dcapone2004: this team has pulled together in-person meetups of that community | 14:12 |
| mihalis68_ | we've done NYC twice, phillie, mexico city, berlin, tokyo, london | 14:12 |
| mihalis68_ | since in-person meetups are currently impossible, we've been kind of on break. The last event was in January in London | 14:13 |
| dcapone2004 | ok, that is sort of what I thought....I don't quite have any war stories just yet (thank god).... but hearing them is basically what I was after to learn a bit about things that have gone wrong and how it was resolved... | 14:13 |
| mihalis68_ | a lot of the past events left writeups - see https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Operations/Meetups | 14:14 |
| mihalis68_ | so should we propose a forum session too? | 14:15 |
| spotz | I think it would be good even just for visibility | 14:16 |
| mihalis68_ | war stories? | 14:16 |
| spotz | They haven't chosen a platform last I asked so not sure how it'll all go | 14:16 |
| spotz | Yeah it's popular:) | 14:17 |
| mihalis68_ | the survey said can you use zoom, meetpad, other | 14:17 |
| mihalis68_ | meetpad works ok for me, but I think perhaps it's a bit heavy | 14:18 |
| spotz | Ok that must be for forum/ptg. I wasn't sure if it was using the same as summit | 14:18 |
| mihalis68_ | I can do zoom now, I just put it in my windows VM rather than native in my personal mac desktop | 14:18 |
| mihalis68_ | summit I don't know anything about, honestly. | 14:18 |
| smcginnis | Either works for me, but I like at least trying to use jitsi. | 14:19 |
| mihalis68_ | (meetpad is a name for openstack infrastructure team's jitsi instance, for anyone not following) | 14:20 |
| spotz | As long as we're 18 or under Jitsi will work we can just plan for a backup if we go over | 14:20 |
| spotz | yeah sorry:) | 14:20 |
| spotz | But TripleO ran into that number limitation during the PTG where it works fine to we've overloaded it | 14:21 |
| mihalis68_ | forum is supposed to be more about interchange between openstack developers, operators and end-users | 14:21 |
| spotz | Yep and the opportunity to get feedback in both directions | 14:22 |
| mihalis68_ | in the past we've done some forum things and some ptg things that are honestly not that different | 14:22 |
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| mihalis68_ | putting the two events in adjacent weeks makes it hard to comprehend for me | 14:22 |
| mihalis68_ | it's like we all get together... then we all get together | 14:22 |
| mihalis68_ | it's different for, say, cinder dev team. They know their own meetings are week 2 | 14:23 |
| spotz | Well we all get together and then the devs take from the other event and discuss it and start designing | 14:23 |
| mihalis68_ | do I have it right? summit/forum week 1, ptg week 2? | 14:23 |
| spotz | Well keep in mind users and ops don't normally get to go to the PTG. In this case the PTG was voted to be the following week just cause it was the best option | 14:24 |
| spotz | yes | 14:24 |
| mihalis68_ | ops used to be literally not invited to PTG, then they changed their mind and wrote us right in, remmeber the denver event? | 14:24 |
| mihalis68_ | then they combined ptg and summit at an in person events, which was vancouver IIRC | 14:25 |
| mihalis68_ | or am I misremembering | 14:25 |
| spotz | I always thought OPS wanted to be separate. But PTG started as the design summit which was part of summit, then separated to a separate PTG. Can't remember being combined in Sydney | 14:26 |
| mihalis68_ | when's the real deadline for Forum submissions then? | 14:27 |
| spotz | I would do it today if the CFP still works or contact Jimmy and ask | 14:27 |
| mihalis68_ | I wish erik were here. I've been pinging him | 14:27 |
| mihalis68_ | he has young kids and they may be back at virtual school. Not easy | 14:28 |
| spotz | I'm pretty sure there's still a few days as I reached out last week to Allison and fungi about ESI submitting a session | 14:28 |
| spotz | I'd say we could move the time a little but timezones | 14:29 |
| mihalis68_ | ok, looks like we wont have erik during this meeting. I wanted to get his take on what we should do during forum. To me the idea of getting togegther to talk about upgrades and extended maintenance might be better during summit | 14:30 |
| mihalis68_ | or perhaps do it in both | 14:30 |
| mihalis68_ | it is something that is hitting us where I work right now | 14:30 |
| mihalis68_ | we're getting to quite some scale on Rocky but it has dropped off our vendor support matrix | 14:30 |
| spotz | Do it both weeks and we can always adjust | 14:30 |
| mihalis68_ | and your reminder of war stories is also a good one | 14:31 |
| mihalis68_ | is that a summit thing? Or a PTG thing? | 14:31 |
| smcginnis | I guess worst case, the virtual room will sit empty. | 14:31 |
| mihalis68_ | what do others think we should propose for Summit/Forum in particular (disregarding what we've put in for PTG for a minute)? | 14:33 |
| spotz | War stories was FOrum/summit | 14:35 |
| shintaro | LT with popular voting was fun. | 14:35 |
| mihalis68_ | LT? | 14:35 |
| shintaro | war story lightning talk I think we did that in NYC and one I counldn attend | 14:36 |
| mihalis68_ | oh yeah lightning talk, right | 14:36 |
| mihalis68_ | sorry, its still early ish here | 14:36 |
| spotz | I remember war stories being a few room down from me I think in Denver at Summit | 14:37 |
| mihalis68_ | so perhaps one session on ops war stories, and one about "ops issues"? upgrades, pain points, tools? | 14:37 |
| mihalis68_ | for summit | 14:37 |
| spotz | Sounds like a plan | 14:37 |
| mihalis68_ | and then possibly adjust what we actually do at PTG based on how forum goes? | 14:37 |
| mihalis68_ | Ok I'll email jimmy now and cc: the team | 14:37 |
| spotz | Yeah. Think of PTG as working sessions vs information gathering or sharing | 14:37 |
| spotz | That's how I do it:) | 14:38 |
| mihalis68_ | the trouble is, the ops people can't really get together and work on their installations. They do that at their day jobs | 14:39 |
| mihalis68_ | you and I can't do a hackathon on my employers openstack clusters | 14:39 |
| spotz | no but we plan things which is working | 14:39 |
| mihalis68_ | the work is info gathering | 14:39 |
| mihalis68_ | ok. I'll talk to jimmy and see if we can get two slots as mentioned above, and I also have four slots tentatively in PTG | 14:40 |
| mihalis68_ | let's change up | 14:40 |
| mihalis68_ | should we try to meet again next week? | 14:40 |
| mihalis68_ | or two weeks time? | 14:40 |
| smcginnis | Two weeks maybe? | 14:40 |
| spotz | We should meet at least once more before summit/forum/ptg but not sure next week | 14:41 |
| mihalis68_ | ok two weeks | 14:41 |
| mihalis68_ | Sept 29th | 14:41 |
| mihalis68_ | same time? | 14:41 |
| mihalis68_ | does this work? | 14:41 |
| mihalis68_ | this time slot in particular? | 14:41 |
| shintaro | works for me | 14:41 |
| mihalis68_ | ok, I guess it works for those that made it :) | 14:42 |
| mihalis68_ | not so much for erik | 14:42 |
| mihalis68_ | thanks shintaro. I will aim for same time two weeks hence | 14:42 |
| spotz | I could go a little earlier | 14:42 |
| spotz | Not sure that's better for earlier and we can't go much later for Shintaro | 14:42 |
| spotz | earlier=erik:( | 14:42 |
| shintaro | same time is fine | 14:43 |
| mihalis68_ | how is this time slot for you sean? | 14:43 |
| mihalis68_ | suspect he's multi-tasking this with other things right now as it | 14:43 |
| mihalis68_ | as it is | 14:43 |
| spotz | That's the joy or IRC meetings:) | 14:44 |
| shintaro | what time does the summit/ptg start? that would be more critical for us in Asia | 14:44 |
| mihalis68_ | I am going to email jimmy, then i'll tweet out the proposals and also time/date of next meeting | 14:44 |
| smcginnis | Good for me. | 14:44 |
| spotz | shintaro: I've been told it's in CST which is my time. It's currently 9:45 am here | 14:44 |
| mihalis68_ | i have proposed 14:00 UTC. 15:00 UTC on the Thursday and friday of PTF | 14:45 |
| mihalis68_ | PTG | 14:45 |
| mihalis68_ | which is more in the work day for you Shintaro I believe | 14:45 |
| mihalis68_ | oh no, it's not. Darn | 14:45 |
| shintaro | so it would be pretty tough for us | 14:45 |
| shintaro | but anyway I can help preparing the session | 14:46 |
| spotz | I'm pretty sure this meeting is 14:00 UTC | 14:46 |
| spotz | I kow D&I is 1700 and that's noon my time, I use that as my UTC reference:) | 14:46 |
| mihalis68_ | I think we could pull the PTG sessions earlier | 14:47 |
| spotz | I can do an hour earlier on Thursday but I think 1200 UTC is my workout time on Thursday | 14:48 |
| mihalis68_ | how about this, i'll tweet the proposed sessions from @OSOpsMeetup. Respond if it strongly does or does not work. Let's see | 14:49 |
| mihalis68_ | there's no perfect time | 14:49 |
| mihalis68_ | we can't work it out during todays IRC meeting clearly | 14:50 |
| mihalis68_ | I can move my timetable around to suit as a one-off each of those weeks | 14:50 |
| mihalis68_ | #topic any other business | 14:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "any other business (Meeting topic: ops-meetup-team)" | 14:50 | |
| mihalis68_ | anyone got anything else for today? | 14:50 |
| spotz | DO we want to try to hold a virtual OPS Meetup? | 14:51 |
| mihalis68_ | you mean distinct from summit/forum and PTG? | 14:51 |
| spotz | Yeah like our normal | 14:52 |
| smcginnis | We could post/tweet to see if anyone is interested in doing it. | 14:52 |
| smcginnis | I've helped our local python user group move to virtual meetups, and it's actually worked quite well. | 14:52 |
| mihalis68_ | I put an ops meetups team catch-up as first slot in PTG. That could be a topic | 14:52 |
| spotz | Or if everyone is burntout but we'd be shooting for 2021 at this point anyways | 14:52 |
| smcginnis | If we lined up a few speakers, could be a good way to reach out to more ops. | 14:52 |
| smcginnis | I think that's a good plan mihalis68_. Let's discuss as part of the PTG and see what everyone thinks. | 14:53 |
| mihalis68_ | I'd be game to try | 14:53 |
| spotz | I know OpenDev was popular. +1 | 14:53 |
| mihalis68_ | one idea I've been kicking around is because we don't travel, there is no need to try to get a lot done in a concentrated period of time | 14:54 |
| zigo | Please, not zoom, it doesn't work over here (on Debian). | 14:54 |
| zigo | Jitsi is fine. | 14:54 |
| mihalis68_ | in other words instead of 2 days twice a year, how about a short event every couple of weeks or something | 14:54 |
| zigo | (sorry, I'm late, reading the backlog) | 14:55 |
| mihalis68_ | one name for what I'm thinking of that came to me is "Ops Radio" | 14:55 |
| mihalis68_ | like a radio show with people calling in | 14:55 |
| spotz | We can do that. and if we ever wanted to do some twitch streaming I can arrange that | 14:55 |
| shintaro | sounds interesting | 14:55 |
| mihalis68_ | it could have a cadence where it's in prime time in each of the major global regions alternating | 14:55 |
| zigo | I'd be happy to join such a "show" ! :) | 14:56 |
| smcginnis | That could work. That's one thing I've seen with these online meetups - it's usually easier if they are shorter events. | 14:56 |
| zigo | Be sure to retransmit somewhere more visible than just twitch though. | 14:56 |
| spotz | I can arrange straming stuff through RH either as my team or RDO | 14:56 |
| spotz | restreams everywhere | 14:56 |
| mihalis68_ | the two day ops meetups were a bit draining, certainly for me, what with travelling and having to run sessions and often also worry about logistics | 14:56 |
| spotz | I definitely think 3-4 hours max | 14:57 |
| spotz | that's what OpenDev did and we're shooting for with OUI | 14:57 |
| mihalis68_ | for the platform issue, we could use meetpad for the registered participants, but take questions on the etherpad and possibly stream it out for a wider audience of random viewers | 14:57 |
| mihalis68_ | one issue we would need to work out is are these things recorded | 14:58 |
| mihalis68_ | we have been able to speak very freely at ops meetups becuse they were not recorded | 14:58 |
| zigo | What's meepad? A Jitsi like thingy? | 14:58 |
| zigo | meetpad | 14:58 |
| spotz | I think that's our choice | 14:58 |
| spotz | zigo: yeah | 14:58 |
| mihalis68_ | meetpad is specifically jitsi on open infra | 14:58 |
| mihalis68_ | i.e. the old openstack infrastructure stuff | 14:58 |
| zigo | Oh, sorry, ok ! :) | 14:58 |
| mihalis68_ | it has etherpad integration | 14:59 |
| mihalis68_ | and yes we do take the "zoom problem" very seriously | 14:59 |
| mihalis68_ | I was publically critical of the foundation's move to jump straight to zoom | 14:59 |
| mihalis68_ | which is not at all in line with the 3 opens | 14:59 |
| mihalis68_ | it's like guys, wtaf? | 14:59 |
| zigo | Me too, but got some backfire on the list because of that. | 14:59 |
| mihalis68_ | I can accept that at the time they did not see any alternative | 15:00 |
| spotz | mihalis68_: yeah don't disagree. We tried hard to hold as much as possible on meetpad but hit limits | 15:00 |
| mihalis68_ | something which enabled getting together was needed, zoom worked, ok. | 15:00 |
| mihalis68_ | but we can use meetpad for meetings up to 18 - that is in line with the real *participant* numbers of ops meetups | 15:00 |
| mihalis68_ | not people in the room btu people speaking | 15:00 |
| mihalis68_ | if we can also stream it out, it's both workable and totally open | 15:01 |
| mihalis68_ | ok, we ran over time. Sorry | 15:01 |
| mihalis68_ | final comments | 15:01 |
| mihalis68_ | before I end it | 15:01 |
| mihalis68_ | anyone? | 15:01 |
| mihalis68_ | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Topics related to operating OpenStack infrastructure | Mailing list: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 15 15:01:49 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2020/ops_meetup_team.2020-09-15-14.04.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2020/ops_meetup_team.2020-09-15-14.04.txt | 15:01 |
| mihalis68_ | thanks all! | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2020/ops_meetup_team.2020-09-15-14.04.log.html | 15:01 |
| shintaro | thank you! | 15:01 |
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| spotz | Thanks all | 15:02 |
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