| tobberydberg | o/ | 08:04 |
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| gtema | hey tobberydberg, Happy New Year | 08:06 |
| fkr | happy new years! \o/ | 08:09 |
| tobberydberg | Happy New Year to you too! | 08:10 |
| tobberydberg | #startmeeting publiccloud_sig | 08:10 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Wed Jan 4 08:10:26 2023 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tobberydberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:10 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:10 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'publiccloud_sig' | 08:10 |
| tobberydberg | Have a little bit of vacation here these days so missed to send reminder and haven't prepared much to be honest | 08:11 |
| gtema | :) | 08:11 |
| fkr | I actually wondered, wether they ("OpenInfra meetings") happen this week or not :) | 08:12 |
| gtema | you are at full speed already fkr ? | 08:12 |
| gtema | after one month vacation in December I am just slowly starting | 08:13 |
| tobberydberg | One thing though that seams important to touch base around is potential forum sessions for Vancouver... Submission is due 10th... | 08:13 |
| tobberydberg | Prior that used to be closer to the Summit if I recall correctly... | 08:14 |
| gtema | yeah, seems to be. Forum submissions deadline is in April | 08:15 |
| fkr | gtema: somewhat, I was very sick before x-mas and as such still have a tad of backlog | 08:15 |
| tobberydberg | Is it really? hmm...then I've crewed this up in my head :-) | 08:15 |
| gtema | fkr, very similar to me. Just that I was spending 1/3 of my vacation with serving medical care to family and 2/3 with renovations in addition to own sickness | 08:16 |
| tobberydberg | A lot of different crap is flying around these days.... | 08:18 |
| gtema | right, real crap | 08:18 |
| fkr | tobberydberg: am working on my proposals for the summit, will come up with something for the public cloud track | 08:18 |
| gtema | cool fkr | 08:19 |
| tobberydberg | great fkr | 08:19 |
| tobberydberg | As a forum session? | 08:20 |
| fkr | we should do a forum session, but I also thought about submitting a talk for the public cloud track | 08:20 |
| tobberydberg | Sounds great! | 08:20 |
| fkr | tobberydberg: have you had anything in mind for a forum session? | 08:21 |
| tobberydberg | Are you both planning to travel to Vancouver? | 08:22 |
| gtema | well, it depends on company and budget | 08:22 |
| fkr | I'm planning on doing that. | 08:22 |
| gtema | at least my legal issues got resolved and now I am free to travel | 08:22 |
| gtema | so I plan, but no guarantee that company pays | 08:23 |
| tobberydberg | My thoughts have mostly been around 2 sessions. One for further discussions regarding the "standard set of attribues", and the second regarding the central testing/verification/refstack thing | 08:23 |
| fkr | tobberydberg: naturally everything that goes towards 'standardization' would be a big gain for me | 08:24 |
| fkr | me == scs obviously | 08:24 |
| gtema | tobberydberg - a big plus from me on both | 08:25 |
| tobberydberg | sounds good! My plan is to go there as well, and looks like I've got the budget for it from the company as well | 08:25 |
| tobberydberg | Are your thoughts along those lines as well fkr or are you thinking of any other forum session? | 08:26 |
| fkr | yes, I was thinking along the lines of standards, which fits with your thoughts | 08:27 |
| fkr | well and the other is on how to get more CSPs to actively chip in with work in OpenStack. muahahaha ;) | 08:28 |
| tobberydberg | I can create an etherpad where we can collect different sessions and can collaborate around it if that sounds like a plan? | 08:28 |
| fkr | +1 | 08:28 |
| tobberydberg | Hehe | 08:28 |
| tobberydberg | https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/publiccloud-sig-vancouver-2023-forum-sessions | 08:31 |
| fkr | last time we had the topic of co-chairing the SIG | 08:31 |
| tobberydberg | yes | 08:31 |
| tobberydberg | Would be great for me and for the SIG in my opinion | 08:32 |
| fkr | I'd be open to that and would like to throw my hat into the ring for that | 08:32 |
| tobberydberg | Been a lot of traveling lately and that looks to continue so might be hard some times to make all meetings | 08:33 |
| fkr | never done that in the openinfra scope so I'd need some help in the beginning but if that is OK for you | 08:33 |
| tobberydberg | That sounds great fkr | 08:33 |
| tobberydberg | absolutely :-) | 08:34 |
| fkr | objections anyone? | 08:35 |
| tobberydberg | clearly not from me :-) | 08:35 |
| gtema | nope | 08:36 |
| tobberydberg | So, found one email here indicating April 21st as Forum submission deadline, but that didn't get confirmed... | 08:38 |
| tobberydberg | Well, ones logged in that seams to be the case, so you were right gtema | 08:38 |
| gtema | I was yesterday looking on the website and it was there | 08:38 |
| gtema | I love this statement tobberydberg ;-) | 08:39 |
| tobberydberg | Then that is no rush but good that we've started the planning for it | 08:39 |
| tobberydberg | :-) | 08:39 |
| tobberydberg | Another thing that I've thought about lately is to update the SIG wiki page...that is a little bit out of date ;-) | 08:42 |
| tobberydberg | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PublicCloudSIG | 08:42 |
| fkr | very good point | 08:42 |
| tobberydberg | So, initially just present the current work we do and the goals we have... | 08:43 |
| tobberydberg | I'll try to find some time for that | 08:43 |
| fkr | dito | 08:44 |
| NilsMagnus[m] | +1 (I am in ro mode today mostly) | 08:44 |
| tobberydberg | lucky you NilsMagnus[m] ;-) | 08:44 |
| fkr | tobberydberg: so we're now meeting bi-weekly in the odd weeks (since this is CW 1) at 08:00 UTC (which would be the first item to update on that wiki page) | 08:46 |
| tobberydberg | Yes, correct ... and a good thing to have there indeed | 08:47 |
| tobberydberg | As I think I mentioned before I got an email from Martin Kopec from interop SIG to align regarding the testing... I'm thinking that we try to invite him to one of our upcoming meetings. How does that sound? | 08:50 |
| gtema | sounds good | 08:50 |
| tobberydberg | gtema Have you received more credentials for testing than just from me? :-) | 08:54 |
| gtema | sadly nope. Only Rax (that were only partially working) | 08:55 |
| fkr | which reminds me, that I'll poke my fellows again | 08:55 |
| gtema | on the other side during all that time I am now only 1 remaining step before automating things properly, tests themselves are mostly reworked and some sketch for automation job is there | 08:56 |
| tobberydberg | the latter part sounds great gtema | 08:56 |
| gtema | btw a tricky question to the round regarding interop test: | 08:56 |
| gtema | with the "powered by" cloud must run OpenStack in the backend | 08:57 |
| gtema | but I know lot are running CEPH with rados for swift | 08:57 |
| gtema | and swift is pretty much mandatory | 08:57 |
| gtema | what are your thoughts on that? | 08:57 |
| tobberydberg | My thoughts might be flourished by our setup, but since most (what I think) are running ceph and rados gw today I think test should be aligned with that | 08:59 |
| gtema | well, it is not the test itself, it is rather the "legal" part of that | 08:59 |
| tobberydberg | ah, ok, you mean like that | 08:59 |
| gtema | with that it is not really "powered by" - it is "compatible" | 09:00 |
| fkr | gtema: in the sense of wether object storage via radosgw is fine as well instead of requiring native swift? | 09:00 |
| gtema | fkr - in the sense that swift tests are mandatory in the "powered by openstack" label | 09:00 |
| gtema | and this label requires running real openstack in the backend | 09:01 |
| gtema | but ceph is not real openstack | 09:01 |
| tobberydberg | hmmm...well...the more legal part of it, I assume that is a question for OpenInfra foundation, right? | 09:01 |
| gtema | so the whole label is not applicable in reality and tests are only verifying "openstack compatible" cloud | 09:01 |
| gtema | tobberydberg - you are right, this is a legal question to be answered by foundation, but public clouds are the one who should understand implications of that | 09:02 |
| tobberydberg | yea, that can become hairy if you take that further... | 09:02 |
| tobberydberg | for sure | 09:02 |
| gtema | and I have another feeling some public clouds may be putting some apigw in front which are also "altering" the game to some extend | 09:03 |
| tobberydberg | interesting question though, and something that will have to be clarified. | 09:03 |
| tobberydberg | exactly | 09:03 |
| gtema | so I have no clue how foundation is supposed to verify that a real openstack is running in the backend | 09:03 |
| tobberydberg | nope ... that is hard. | 09:04 |
| tobberydberg | OpenStack Powered and OpenStack Certified are 2 different things in that sense | 09:04 |
| tobberydberg | Also something that we can discuss around with Kopec if we get thatmeeting to happen ... he might have historical information around the topic | 09:06 |
| gtema | yupp | 09:06 |
| gtema | ok | 09:06 |
| tobberydberg | Well, out of time since a couple of minutes. Good discussions and welcome as co-chair fkr :-= | 09:07 |
| fkr | ;) | 09:08 |
| tobberydberg | No stress with the Forum topics concluded as well :-) | 09:08 |
| tobberydberg | I'll shoot an email to Martin and check his availability to join our meeting, and hopefully we are back to full steam in 2 weeks :-) | 09:09 |
| tobberydberg | Thanks for today! | 09:09 |
| fkr | thanks for moderating! | 09:10 |
| tobberydberg | #endmeeting | 09:10 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Wed Jan 4 09:10:25 2023 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:10 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/publiccloud_sig/2023/publiccloud_sig.2023-01-04-08.10.html | 09:10 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/publiccloud_sig/2023/publiccloud_sig.2023-01-04-08.10.txt | 09:10 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/publiccloud_sig/2023/publiccloud_sig.2023-01-04-08.10.log.html | 09:10 |
| frickler | ftr I'm very much in favor of making swift non-mandatory for refstack. I would also like to remove them from the default set of "integrated" projects, but that's a slightly different topic | 09:59 |
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