Wednesday, 2023-02-01

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puckMy apologies for missing the last many meetings. :(08:02
tobberydberg#startmeeting publiccloud_sig08:02
opendevmeetMeeting started Wed Feb  1 08:02:25 2023 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tobberydberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.08:02
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opendevmeetThe meeting name has been set to 'publiccloud_sig'08:02
tobberydbergNo worries puck 08:02
tobberydbergI have to excuse my self every time here as well ;-) 08:02
puck:)08:03
kopecmartino/ 08:03
tobberydbergThanks for putting up the agenda fkr 08:03
diablo_rojo_phoneo/08:03
tobberydbergwelcome diablo_rojo_phone :-) 08:03
tobberydbergAs usual - https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/publiccloud-sig-meeting08:03
gtemamorning guys08:03
tobberydbergmorning gtema 08:04
tobberydbergThink we had good discussion last week ... discussing the interop tests, certificates etc 08:05
tobberydberg#topic 1. How to continue the "standard set of properties" work08:06
fkrI do have a bit of embarassing question regarding that ;)08:07
gtemaA good question. Honestly speaking I am now not really having any idea08:07
tobberydbergPlan is to continue this discussion, to me it is a little bit unclear...08:07
fkrflavor naming. Has that been discussed? maybe before I was active here?08:07
puckSomething which I don't think has been raised is the microversions, do we want to track that?08:07
puckI think flavor naming has been left as too hard, but that is where flavor aliases come in.08:08
tobberydbergWe have a list further down on the etherpad that contains the "items" that we decided for a bunch of meetings ago08:08
gtemafkr: flavor naming - we discussed that it makes sense to focus on attributes and tags being present08:08
puck(side note, I wish that we allowed alternative spellings for things like flavour)08:09
gtemaand ensuring client tools are capable to proceed with that (and select the one matching) rather then agree on naming08:09
fkrok. thanks. as part of SCS we standardize the flavor name and actually ran into this: https://github.com/SovereignCloudStack/standards/issues/190  ;)08:09
gtemanaming convention is doomed in my eyes, especially when multiple operators come together08:10
puckAlso, operators aren't going to rename their flavours due to a standard.08:10
fkrbut if they build greenfield they can adopt and new clouds that arise can adopt it08:11
puck(although I guess others could be added, but that'll complicate things)08:11
puckhaha08:11
puckfkr that is a bit nasty.08:11
puck(colon character)08:11
fkrsorry, confusing what I said: I did NOT mean they should rebuild greenfield08:11
fkrpuck: indeed08:11
fkrpuck: the rfc comment is helpful08:12
gtemafkr - we are not able to properly enforce even attribute naming in varios services of OpenStack properly. Believing to enforce this to many independent organization is a bit utopic, sorry for zynism08:12
tobberydbergYea, we had extensive discussions regarding this. Would be so nice to have it, but super complicated to achieve I believe 08:12
fkrtobberydberg: thanks08:12
tobberydbergAlias following a standard was the closest we god, but we dismissed that in favor for client support selecting flavor based on attributes instead08:13
puckWill things like Terraform support that though?08:14
tobberydbergso, if you look where it says "list based on votes" in the etherpad you'll see the list there08:14
tobberydbergpuck Well, IMO, we make sure the support is there at least to create support in other tools08:15
puckack08:15
tobberydbergI assume that is the first step08:15
puckJust a note to folks, please add your names under Participants.08:15
gtemapuck - this is up to tools maintainers to implement it. For Ansible/SDK/CLI we are responsible so we implement it. For TF I guess nobody here can give a reliable statement08:15
puckI can check with one of my colleagues, he's been submitting patches to gophercloud which Terraform uses.08:16
tobberydbergfrom that list, new things that does not exist already is: cpu - cpu_oversubscription, cpu_oversubscription_ratio  -  images: os_type, is_licensed08:16
tobberydbergsounds great puck 08:17
tobberydbergThe rest that are there already exist support for, right?08:17
gtemayes, should be08:18
puckyup08:19
tobberydbergOk. With that said then .... will the next step be writing specs?08:19
fkrwohoo!08:19
pucksounds right08:19
fkris there a mode in which we want to do that collaboratively?08:22
gtemaetherpad is always there for things like that ;-)08:23
diablo_rojo_phone+208:23
tobberydbergYea, I would say so too08:23
fkryeah, that was what came to my mind. +1.08:23
tobberydbergBut ok. What specs do we need to wite then? :-) 08:23
gtemacorrect question08:24
tobberydbergOne for each project affected?08:24
tobberydbergAlways becomes hairy when touching central pieces like this ;-) 08:24
tobberydbergOr is it possible to have one spec?08:25
puckChanges to Nova and Glance though?08:26
diablo_rojo_phoneWhat all projects will it touch? 08:27
puckOr is it a "public cloud spec" which species what properties are expected on which resources?08:27
puckspecifies08:27
tobberydbergNova, Glance, SDK/OSC ... more?08:27
tobberydbergThat was what I was thinking about as well puck 08:28
puckHaving a "public cloud spec" initially, then in the future rolling that into the services would be a lot easier!08:28
fkrpuck: that is a tad what I expected and from there it goes into depth for each affected component / project08:28
diablo_rojo_phoneThat sounds like a good plan.08:29
tobberydbergindeed ... if it sufficient to do it that way?08:29
puckI think it is sufficient.08:30
puckWould also provide a framework to define where the validation testing for public clouds should be defined.08:30
fkrindeed. maybe that is something where scs can provide bits, since we're on exactly that at the moment08:31
tobberydbergSo, that means that we need to kick off the public cloud git repo again I assume08:32
diablo_rojo_phoneNova will want a specific spec, but you can base it on the public cloud one. 08:32
tobberydbergNeed some home for the spec at least. Is that the way to go, or can we host is somewhere else?08:33
tobberydbergok diablo_rojo_phone .... good to know08:33
puckI think the options are a git repo, etherpad or the wiki.08:34
puckIt should most likely end up in a git repo.08:34
diablo_rojo_phoneYes I would agree08:36
tobberydbergyea, I guess so... We can start on etherpad and work that out later08:36
puckTo start with it'd hopefully be rather dynamic.08:37
tobberydbergLets use thi one: #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/publiccloud-sig-specs08:38
tobberydbergSo, aim for one spec here containing both flavors and images then?08:39
tobberydbergAnd then later nail down what additional specs that needs to be produced?08:39
puckI think so08:40
tobberydbergWell, let's start with that at least. Super if we all can spend a few minutes with getting some basics in there.08:42
tobberydbergLeave that topic for today?08:43
gtema+108:43
puck+108:43
fkr+108:43
tobberydberg#topic 2. Invitation to Lean Coffee @ SCS08:43
tobberydbergleave the word to you fkr :-) 08:44
fkrOnce per month we have a Lean Coffee for Operators that run SCS based clouds. I initiated the format in order to have operators exchange on hurdles, problems and the fun of operating OpenStack clouds.08:44
fkrThere is a post that explains the format here: https://scs.community/2022/07/05/lean-scs-operator-coffee/08:44
fkrand I'd like to get more operators into that lean coffee. so this is an open invitation to you :)08:45
fkrnext one is upcoming Monday, 15:05 CET08:45
tobberydbergHow centric are the discussions/topics around SCS and clouds deployed with that stack?08:45
fkrnot really08:46
tobberydbergOr are they more OpenStack OPS centric?08:46
fkrmostly general openstack stuff as of now08:46
fkrthat is why I wanted to bring it here08:46
tobberydbergok, thanks, good to know08:46
puckMinor suggestion, but could you please add CET to the time on that page?08:46
fkrwill do08:46
puckta08:47
fkrhttps://scs.community/contribute/08:47
puckLooks interesting08:47
fkrthere is our calendar, where all our meetings (including the coffee) are visible. there is also a ics file available.08:47
fkrwould you say, it is OK to mail openstack-discuss@ with a pointer?08:47
puckI think that is okay08:47
tobberydbergI would say so too. Shape the message a little bit for what the discussions are about, OpenStack OPS in general and I think you'll have a better result08:48
fkrtobberydberg: +1 thanks08:49
puckIs it virtual coffee only, or in person as well?08:49
tobberydbergI will pass on the invitation internally here as well08:49
tobberydbergAre you looking fo an excuse to go to Germany puck? ;-) 08:50
fkrvirtual in a jitsi session08:50
puckAbsolutely! I have a colleague who lives in France.08:50
tobberydberg:-) 08:50
fkrpuck: if you come my place, I'll have a coffee WITH cake with you!08:51
puckHaha! I'll hold you to it!08:51
fkr+108:51
fkrok. we've got that topic covered, imho. :)08:51
tobberydbergcool08:51
tobberydberg#topic 3. Other matters08:52
fkrmaybe a hint for upcoming events 08:52
fkrthere is fosdem this upcoming weekend08:52
fkrin brussels08:52
fkrhowever all the sessions are recorded and I _think_ also streamed08:53
fkrhttps://fosdem.org/2023/08:53
tobberydbergNot available to go there unfortunate 08:53
tobberydbergBut I saw OpenInfra is hosting some "after party thing"08:54
fkrSaturday evening that is08:54
tobberydberggtema Was thinking about asking you have it goes with credentials to various clouds? Have you gotten any and/or are you in need of it?08:54
fkrhttps://www.meetup.com/brussels-openinfra-meetup-group/events/290894971/08:54
diablo_rojo_phoneYes a happy hour I believe08:54
gtematobberydberg - nothing more so far. We got finally SDK and AOC released so I am unblocked to proceed with finishing auto jobs08:55
puckHere's a thought for a topic, gettings images uploaded to public clouds by the distros.08:55
fkrgtema: https://github.com/SovereignCloudStack/docs/blob/main/community/contribute/cloud-resources/cloud-resources.md08:56
puckWe're do all of them ourselves, but some of the images (like the SuSE Enterprise Linux) are behind paywalls, so are a hassle.08:56
fkrgtema: we should get you into that for SDK/CLI 08:56
gtemaright fkr08:56
gtemawill discuss with you all in person in Brussels ;-)08:57
fkr+108:57
fkr:)08:57
tobberydbergNot sure how you mean puck? Distros being allowed to public images directly to the clouds and make them available for customers?08:58
puckYeah08:58
puckOr coordinating for consistency.08:59
puckFrom what I've seen being on the debian-cloud mailing list, the distros upload images for the "big" cloud providers, but ignore the others, except for making images avilable.08:59
puckimages available for download and use from their own websites.09:00
tobberydbergaha, you mean openstack specific built images?09:00
puckyeah09:00
gtemasorry guys, need to jump off for next meeting09:00
fkrgtema: enjoy!09:00
puckack09:00
pucksee ya09:01
fkrthanks for the nice session!09:01
puckI'm okay with this topic going on the agenda for the next meeting.09:01
fkr+109:01
diablo_rojo_phoneThanks everyone! 09:01
diablo_rojo_phoneHave fun in Brussels! 09:01
tobberydbergwould be awesome ... try to find a cloud ready image to Rocky Linux .. they only have AWS :-) 09:01
tobberydbergyea, time is up ... thanks a lot!09:01
tobberydbergpuck Feel free to add it to the agenda +109:01
tobberydberg#endmeeting09:02
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puckOh? We just added Rocky Linux.09:02
puckhttps://download.rockylinux.org/pub/rocky/9.1/images/x86_64/09:03
puckThat has GenericCloud09:03
tobberydbergYep, I added that one yesterday as well. But on their homepage, you could easily select cloud provider (AWS only) and get the available images :-) 09:04
puckAh ha! I wasn't involved in finding the image. :)09:05
tobberydbergOR ... I'm confusing this with some other distro I had to find images for...09:05
tobberydberg:-) 09:05
puckI cheated and searched our internal gitlab for the ticket for adding it.09:06
tobberydberghaha09:07

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