Wednesday, 2014-11-12

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ihrachyshkadhellmann: hey! do you have some time to proceed with unblocking oslo-incubator/juno gate? (+icehouse)13:23
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dhellmannihrachyshka: looking...13:52
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dhellmannihrachyshka: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129182/6 is approved13:54
dhellmannihrachyshka: that covers both issues right? or is there another patch?13:54
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ihrachyshkadhellmann: I'm going to cherry-pick that to Icehouse in a minute13:55
dhellmanndims: do you want to set a milestone target for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo.vmware/+spec/suds-jurko-python3 ?13:55
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dhellmannihrachyshka: ok13:56
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ihrachyshkadhellmann: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129183/14:01
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dhellmannihrachyshka: ok, I'll watch for the tests to pass14:05
exploreshaifalidims, I have modified all files to import correct modules, getting `InvocationError` any solution for this14:13
dimsexploreshaifali: review #?14:13
exploreshaifalidims, not submitted patch right now14:13
exploreshaifaliwhile testing using `tox -e py27`14:14
exploreshaifalifull output pasted here http://pastebin.com/tD202vq414:14
dimsdoes 'tox -e pep8' work?14:14
exploreshaifalidims, tox - pep8 didn't work first but I configured problem14:15
dimssafe_encode is not in str_utils14:15
dimsencode_utils14:15
dimsfrom oslo.utils import encodeutils14:16
dimsand then use encodeutils.safe_encode14:16
exploreshaifaliand use it every where when using oslo.utils.strutils14:16
dimsno, only for safe_encode14:16
exploreshaifalidims, no file is importing safe_encode but I can see code `filters[param] = strutils.safe_encode(','.join(value))`14:19
exploreshaifaliso ok fine14:19
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exploreshaifaliwhichever files using safe_encode I need to import ` from oslo.utils import encodeutils and then use encodeutils.safe_encode`14:20
dimsack14:21
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openstackgerritTim Kelsey proposed openstack/oslo-specs: Adding spec for trusted messaging plugin.  https://review.openstack.org/12892614:43
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openstackgerritIlya Pekelny proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Moved main loop to server class  https://review.openstack.org/10703814:49
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openstackgerritIlya Pekelny proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Moved main loop to server class  https://review.openstack.org/13397214:57
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openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed openstack/oslo.i18n: Add note for integration modules in libraries  https://review.openstack.org/13399116:07
jecareydhellmann, ^^ so should we change the ones that didn't do that?   And all of their imports of _?16:09
jecareydhellmann, I'd thought it was just oslo libs and had added and update for that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128989/16:10
dhellmannjecarey: oh, I forgot/didn't realize you had a similar patch up. Yeah, it should be all libs -- the one that triggered my change was for python-zaqarclient16:12
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jecareydhellmann, I've got a large patch up for glance related to importing _ ... should I move glance to glance._i18n as well?16:14
dhellmannjecarey: glance is an app, so it's OK for them to use i18n16:15
jecareydhellmann, ok ... I like that answer.16:16
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dhellmanndims, arnaud__: I'm finally getting around to the oslo.vmware release you asked for. Is there anything special we should highlight in the release notes?16:23
dimsdhellmann: usual git log is fine i think16:24
dhellmannok16:24
arnaud__thanks dhellmann16:24
dimsthanks dhellmann16:24
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dhellmanndims, arnaud__ : release 0.7.0 building and announced16:34
dhellmanndims: when you have a few minutes, could you take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133991/ ?16:35
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openstackgerritOleksii Chuprykov proposed openstack/oslo.db: Add exception filter for _sqlite_dupe_key_error  https://review.openstack.org/13109516:37
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dhellmannrpodolyaka2, jd__ : regarding the syslog patch in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133638/ -- I'm worried about backwards compatibility. Can we have a deployer set up syslog to listen on a UDP port instead of UDS? Does making the address configurable help with both requirements? I don't really understand the testing comments jd__ left.16:41
jd__dhellmann: by default syslog listens on /dev/log and not on UDP on most distros I guess16:42
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dhellmannjd__: yeah, so it sounds like we've broken syslog logging by default now :-/16:45
dimsdhellmann: lgtm16:46
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rpodolyaka2dhellmann: I'm all for making it configurable, but we could probably restore the original behavior first16:47
jd__dhellmann: yeah, so reverting now breaks it on non-Linux system, that's why I'd like to have a patch that breaks nothing at all16:47
rpodolyaka2np, I can make it configurable in this patch16:47
dhellmannjd__: where do we care about non-linux systems for the incubator?16:48
jd__dhellmann: oslo.log isn't the incubator? and I care16:48
dhellmannjd__: if we make the default use /dev/log is that going to work anywhere else?16:49
jd__dhellmann: only on (most?) Linux, it will fails with an error on all other systems16:49
jd__s/all//16:49
dhellmannjd__: maybe we should do something like look at the current OS, instead of having a user-configurable option?16:50
dhellmannalthough I think an option to specify the server address is probably useful for deployers, too16:50
jd__dhellmann: yeah we can have it configurable (some people might want to send the log via UDP to another system) and have a sane default16:51
jd__a sane default based on whether /dev/log is there or not16:51
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rpodolyaka2so we want the default value to be determined at runtime?16:53
rpodolyaka2(this shouldn't be a problem as long as we don't generate config samples anymore)16:53
dhellmannrpodolyaka2: well, if it's determined at runtime maybe we don't need the option?16:57
dhellmannrpodolyaka2, jd__ : it's not clear what the best path forward is, but I'd like to land a fix to unbreak our regular users and then fix this in some other way in oslo.log for the non-linux case. does that work?16:57
openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.messaging: Switch to oslo.middleware  https://review.openstack.org/12189916:57
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rpodolyaka2dhellmann: yeah, that's what I thought too. But what if a deployer wants to override it? This kind of reminds me of "In the face of ambiguity, refuse the temptation to guess" :)16:59
jd__dhellmann: depends on your timeline and urgency I guess17:00
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openstackgerritDavanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/oslo.log: Add oslo.config.opts entry_points in setup.cfg  https://review.openstack.org/13401717:50
dhellmannjd__: I don't know how "urgent" it is, but we should have followed the normal deprecation process for a backwards-incompatible change like this. So I'd like for us to restore the old way quickly, and then we can talk about how to meet the new requirements of running on platforms other than linux.17:54
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo-incubator: Drop hooks  https://review.openstack.org/12578118:01
openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed openstack/oslo-incubator: Remove unused module funcutils.py  https://review.openstack.org/13009218:04
openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed openstack/oslo-incubator: Remove unused module funcutils.py  https://review.openstack.org/13009218:06
openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed openstack/oslo-incubator: deprecate crypto package  https://review.openstack.org/13402018:12
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openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed openstack/oslo-incubator: deprecate cache package  https://review.openstack.org/13402118:15
openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo-incubator: Remove unused module funcutils.py  https://review.openstack.org/13009218:15
openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed openstack/oslo-incubator: deprecate apiclient package  https://review.openstack.org/13402418:20
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.i18n: Add note for integration modules in libraries  https://review.openstack.org/13399119:49
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ekarlsozzzeek: hey, are you around for some help on alembic ?20:11
zzzeekheya20:11
zzzeeksure20:12
ekarlsozzzeek: what's typically the fault when revision --autogenerate yields empty files ?20:12
zzzeekempty as in entirelyt blank, or empty as in upgrade() downgrade() have just “pass” in them ?20:13
ekarlsothe last one20:13
zzzeekit means no changes were detected between the database state and the given metadata20:13
zzzeekyou should be familiar with the things that autogenerate does not detect20:14
zzzeekwhich are most things other than simple column and table changes20:14
ekarlsowell, i'm trying to have it pick up my initial columns at least :p20:14
ekarlsoI've given it base.BASE.metadata which is BASE = declarative.declarative_base(cls=CueBase)20:15
ekarlsothought that should work :P20:15
zzzeekso the target datbase is blanke so far20:15
ekarlsoyap20:16
zzzeekok how about put a pdb.set_trace() inside of env.py, then look inside of the metadata that is in target_metadata20:16
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zzzeekbrb20:17
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zzzeek_I'm temporarily here20:21
ekarlsofixed it ;P20:24
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ekarlsoimporting the models table helped alot :)20:24
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openstackgerritJames Carey  proposed openstack-dev/hacking: WIP: Add incubator hacking checks  https://review.openstack.org/13405221:05
andreykurilin_dhellmann, hi!21:11
dhellmannandreykurilin_: hi21:11
andreykurilin_dhellmann: I read your letter "kilo graduation plans" and have question about module cliutils.21:13
dhellmannandreykurilin_: ok21:14
andreykurilin_dhellmann: In etherpad, this module relate to apiclient, which is deprecated21:14
dhellmannoh, did I leave that out of the email?21:14
andreykurilin_yeah:(21:14
andreykurilin_dhellmann: so what your plans about this module?21:15
dhellmannyeah, ok, I think we're treating that the same way -- we want people to work on the python-openstackclient instead21:15
dhellmannI'll follow up to the email stating that21:15
andreykurilin_dhellmann: hm... I look at description for python-openstacksdk : "It is very young" and I'm confused.21:16
dhellmannandreykurilin_: thanks for pointing that out so I could clarify it21:16
dhellmannandreykurilin_: yes, it is young, but we don't want a bunch of new features in code we're going to be throwing away so we are trying to "signal" that effort should go into the sdk and unified cli instead21:17
dhellmannwe're not deleting the incubated modules, so bug fixes can still happen, but we want new feature work to go into those other projects21:17
andreykurilin_dhellmann: I understand this, but way of "python-openstacksdk" looks like "make clients from scratch"21:20
dhellmannandreykurilin_: yes, that's right21:20
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andreykurilin_dhellmann: hm...maybe it's for the best, but a little scary :)21:21
dhellmannandreykurilin_: yes, I can see how that would be the case :-)21:23
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andreykurilin_dhellmann: apiсlient is example of my fear: unification of clients took place in several blueprints... many problems appeared, when core developers did not want to change something in their python-*client code.21:26
dhellmannandreykurilin_: these new projects have support from many of the PTLs and TC members, so I think we will have an easier time encouraging their use.21:27
andreykurilin_dhellmann: this is good. thanks for clarification21:28
dhellmannandreykurilin_: any time! and I appreciate you asking, because that's exactly why I sent those emails today :-)21:29
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andreykurilin_dhellmann: one more question. In mailing and in your patch(deprecation of apiclient) you mentioned python-openstackclient and python-openstacksdk. What is the difference?21:40
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andreykurilin_As far as I'm understand, python-openstackclient is https://github.com/openstack/python-openstackclient and python-openstacksdk is https://github.com/stackforge/python-openstacksdk .21:42
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dhellmannandreykurilin_: the SDK is a low-level programming library and the client is a command line tool22:14
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