Tuesday, 2014-12-23

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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Imported Translations from Transifex  https://review.openstack.org/14325606:11
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openstackgerritChangBo Guo(gcb) proposed openstack/oslo.vmware: Use _is_valid_ipv6 from oslo.utils  https://review.openstack.org/14360907:13
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openstackgerritMerged openstack-dev/pbr: Port in git sha changes from 0.10 line  https://review.openstack.org/14293107:50
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openstackgerritMerged openstack-dev/pbr: Properly check for git before getting git dir  https://review.openstack.org/14284108:07
openstackgerritMerged openstack-dev/pbr: Move write_pbr_json to avoid issues with nose  https://review.openstack.org/14314608:07
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openstackgerritChangBo Guo(gcb) proposed openstack/oslo.utils: Add method is_valid_port in netutils  https://review.openstack.org/14361708:12
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openstackgerritEli Qiao proposed openstack/oslo.db: Make sure sort_key_attr is InstrumentedAttribute when query  https://review.openstack.org/14363209:12
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rodrigodshey all, think the next step in order to graduate oslo.policy is validate the repository. It is placed here: https://github.com/rodrigods/oslo.policy14:27
rodrigodsplease let me know of any problems/suggestions14:28
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openstackgerritMerged openstack-dev/pbr: Merge tag '0.10.3' into master  https://review.openstack.org/14332515:31
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openstackgerritMerged openstack-dev/pbr: Merge tag '0.10.4' into master  https://review.openstack.org/14332615:53
openstackgerritMerged openstack-dev/pbr: Merge tag '0.10.5' into master  https://review.openstack.org/14332715:53
openstackgerritMerged openstack-dev/pbr: Merge tag '0.10.6' into master  https://review.openstack.org/14332815:53
jd__flaper87: can you explain how this happened https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/glance_store/tree/glance_store/openstack/common/context.py#n55 ?15:57
jd__I cannot find any mention of service_catalog in the context in the incubator15:58
jd__I wonder if you didn't hack that in a dirty way :(15:58
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* flaper87 clicks16:00
flaper87jd__: I'd say copy/paste, that code came from glance and the goal was to first make the lib work as it was without refactoring16:01
flaper87jd__: FWIW, a refactor is ongoing :)16:01
jd__yeah there's no way it was copy/pasted so that sounds like a dirty hack :D but ok16:01
jd__flaper87: what are you refactoring?16:01
jd__flaper87: I'm trying to switch to oslo.context but that service_catalog kwarg never existed in oslo-incubator and therefore does not exist in oslo.context :(16:02
flaper87jd__: TBH, I don't think it is even being used. is it?16:06
jd__flaper87: it is for multi-tenant swift storage AFAICS16:06
flaper87AH, mmh...16:07
* flaper87 hates that multi-tenant code16:07
jd__yeah, so I'm not sure what to do16:09
jd__sounds like it's not generic enough to add it to oslo.context16:09
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jd__OTOH "show_deleted" does not look generic at all…16:16
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jd__I wonder how we ended up releasing oslo.context where it covers basically nothing more that being a dict with a few more-or-less common keys16:20
jd__I give up16:20
dhellmannjd__: glance just needs a subclass of the oslo context class16:26
dhellmannjd__: that's to be expected -- each app will have its own data to add to the context16:26
openstackgerritRuby Loo proposed openstack/oslo.utils: Return LOCALHOST if no default interface  https://review.openstack.org/14369116:27
openstackgerritJeremy Stanley proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Use unsafe OpenPGP keys for testing  https://review.openstack.org/14288416:28
jd__dhellmann: yeah, but each app is not even using all the fields in oslo.context currently16:28
jd__so basically each app has its own set, I don't see how we use a lib to factorize something that is not in common16:28
jd__except something like maybe 5 fields16:28
jd__over a class that is basically a dict16:28
jd__I see the basic pattern but I don't think oslo.context is adding any value16:29
dhellmannjd__: most of the current fields are related to auth, are you saying the apps don't use those?16:29
jd__dhellmann: some are, some are adding more like user_name16:30
jd__honestly, it's a mess16:30
dhellmannjd__: right, we'll need the liaisons to work to standardize those16:30
jd__I'm not even convinved about the context pattern itself, we never used it in Ceilometer nor in Gnocchi so I'm dubious16:30
jd__looks to me lke "let's pack all these kwargs in a class"16:31
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jd__a bad design pattern from nova that spread16:31
dhellmannjd__: yes, that's exactly what it is. "here's a bunch of random data about this request that someone somewhere might need in different formats"16:31
dhellmannthe value of oslo.context is not just to be found in what is already there, but in what we can do to standardize this pattern16:32
jd__dhellmann: yeah except it's different for every project and almost every function :(16:32
dhellmannI didn't say it would be easy16:32
jd__how to standardize something that is not standard16:32
jd__you got 4 hours16:32
jd__:-)16:32
sigmavirus24So I have a stupid question16:33
sigmavirus24(unrelated to oslo.context ;))16:33
jd__go ahead then sigmavirus24 :)16:33
dhellmannjd__: making the context really useful is probably going to take more than this cycle. For now, we should focus on making subclasses populate the base properly so logging works consistently16:34
dhellmannjd__: then, when everyone sees how nice that is, it will be easier to convince them to use the context in more standard ways16:34
jd__dhellmann: like using context ends up doing code like that https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/glance/tree/glance/api/policy.py#n7716:34
sigmavirus24I was reviewing a patchset and noticed someone using contextlib.nested which I know to be removed in Py3k. I also know that six doesn't want to include a compatibility shim. Is this something we could put in oslo.util, e.g., oslo.util.contextutils (a reimplementation of nested on Py3 that will use the proper ExitStack idiom)?16:35
jd__dhellmann: subclass policy because glance passes it a dumping-ground context16:35
jd__dhellmann: so we end up having a request, putting stuff into the requestcontext, checking the policy, extracting from the request context, checking, returning the result, how useful it is, I wonder16:35
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dhellmannjd__: what would you do instead? maybe context needs some methods for doing that validation?16:36
dhellmannsigmavirus24: where is that code, an app or a library?16:36
jd__dhellmann: what we do in Ceilo/Gnocchi, just enforce() with the user info created from the Keystone headers added, it takes 3 lines of code and it avoids creating and reading from an intermediate context and creating more classes than needed16:37
sigmavirus24dhellmann: the use of contextlib.nested? It's in glance proper I think16:37
dhellmannjd__: does ceilometer makes context-rich rpc calls?16:37
sigmavirus24Oh actually, it's in glance's tests.16:38
jd__dhellmann: no but I'm pretty sure Glance don't do it in a lot of cases16:38
dhellmannsigmavirus24: ok, in that case, I'd rather we just fix the tests when we port glance to python 316:38
sigmavirus24dhellmann: fair enough16:38
dhellmannjd__: so in  your simple use case, context's benefit is not obvious. I think it's more useful in other cases.16:38
jd__dhellmann: so you advocate creating objects of different layer just in case we might need it later?16:39
jd__dhellmann: are you working to make OpenStack slower to sell more hardware? ;)16:39
dhellmannjd__: the idea of the context came out of existing use in the projects; it's not a waste because *all* projects don't use it16:40
jd__yeah I got where the idea came from16:41
jd__I know the Oslo team didn't invent it itself16:41
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jd__I'm just saying it's bad design pattern that spread and that is not shareable16:41
dhellmannok, but you seem to be saying "I don't need this in 2 projects so it's useless"16:41
jd__dhellmann: you have a poor judgement of myself :(16:42
dhellmannnot at all! I'm probably not hearing what you mean.16:42
dhellmannyes, most of what the context does could be replaced with a dictionary16:42
jd__I just gave you an example of projects to show it's not mandatory16:42
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dhellmannhowever, using a class isn't *that* heavy, and it gives us an opportunity to centralize some behavior, either in the class or in functions in the library16:43
dhellmannright, I don't think it is mandatory either16:43
jd__my point is 1) creating a RequestContext on each request whereas it's not more useful than packing-kwargs-in-a-dict in most cases is useless and slow 2) Since it's kwargs packing, most project don't share more than a few fields16:43
jd__*"my points are"16:43
jd__so 1) is bad design pattern 2) is creating a lib/incubator is/was not good idea16:44
dhellmannsure. **kwargs is a lightweight way to do something like this, but APIs that take arbitrary arguments are hard to document and hard to remember how to use16:44
jd__i.e. if you need to have a context to do a RPC call, create a RequestContext from and for oslo.messaging16:45
dhellmannand how about its use in logging?16:45
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jd__dhellmann: for oslo.log I think the need is justified, the pattern wrong16:46
dhellmannjd__: what would you replace it with?16:46
jd__there are some limitations currently I think, like having 1 thread = 1 requestcontext too16:47
jd__dhellmann: hum good question, probably a proper API in oslo.log, maybe a context manager?16:47
dhellmannthat was the original plan, before we saw that the context was tied to oslo.messaging, too16:48
jd__how is that a problem?16:48
dhellmannthere's a limit of one cached global context per thread, but you can instantiate more than one in a thread and save them yourself if you need multiples16:48
dhellmannwe didn't want to tie oslo.messaging and oslo.log together directly just for the sake of the context, and since both want to have some say over the context API (log doesn't need to_dict and messaging doesn't need the resource ID abstraction stuff) a separate library solved the dependency issues16:49
jd__same thing with a context manager, no? though you could merge them easily16:50
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dhellmannwell, yes, but doing it this way does not require us to rewrite all of the existing applications16:50
jd__agreed16:50
dhellmannright, and since we're not going to do that and we still want projects to share code we get the library16:50
jd__so we agree it's a bad design pattern, we just don't want to rewrite everything :))16:51
dhellmannand we can add a context manager to it if someone else wants to use a different pattern16:51
dhellmannwell, I'm indifferent on its "goodness" :-)16:51
jd__I see your point16:51
jd__I have to rant because if we're trying to solve technical debt, this is not good enough to me16:51
jd__:-)16:51
dhellmannwell, having one implementation with a real API is better than having N different partial implementations16:52
dhellmannthe work we're doing with these libraries is laying *social* as well as *technical* foundations for future work16:53
dhellmannby helping the projects to share implementations they already have, we're showing them how much more they should be working together16:53
dhellmannwe've already had several other projects adopt or create new libraries as a result of seeing how Oslo is doing it, and that's going to make a difference over time16:54
dhellmannthe time scale we're working on is very long :-)16:54
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openstackgerritJoshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Use a shared pipe + select (WIP)  https://review.openstack.org/14329221:13
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ekarlso-when u guys gonna release oslo.log ?22:27
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.i18n: Correct the translation domain for loading messages  https://review.openstack.org/14348322:45
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo-incubator: Add a virtual sprint ML template/program  https://review.openstack.org/14045823:24
openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.messaging: safe_log Sanitize Passwords in List of Dicts  https://review.openstack.org/12375923:27
bnemecekarlso-: I think we're getting close, but it definitely won't be until January at this point.23:31
openstackgerritJoshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Allow specifying the executor as a string identifier  https://review.openstack.org/14374823:35
openstackgerritJoshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Allow specifying the executor as a string identifier  https://review.openstack.org/14374823:45
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.db: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/14263823:57
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