Monday, 2015-02-16

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openstackgerritMin Pae proposed openstack/taskflow: adding check for str/unicode type in requires  https://review.openstack.org/15609400:58
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openstackgerritIan Wienand proposed openstack/oslo.policy: Do not log on missing or empty policy_dirs  https://review.openstack.org/15474202:43
openstackgerritIan Wienand proposed openstack/oslo.policy: Do not log on missing or empty policy_dirs  https://review.openstack.org/15474202:47
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openstackgerritJoshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Make the dispatcher handler be an actual type  https://review.openstack.org/15611404:05
openstackgerritJoshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Add retries to fetching the zookeeper server version  https://review.openstack.org/15595004:07
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openstackgerritJoshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Make the dispatcher handler be an actual type  https://review.openstack.org/15611404:13
openstackgerritJoshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Make the dispatcher handler be an actual type  https://review.openstack.org/15611404:16
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openstackgerritJoshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Make the dispatcher handler be an actual type  https://review.openstack.org/15611404:21
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openstackgerritSridhar Gaddam proposed openstack/oslo.utils: Utility API to generate EUI-64 IPv6 address  https://review.openstack.org/13777406:51
openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: Set up translations  https://review.openstack.org/15613906:53
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openstackgerritMin Pae proposed openstack/taskflow: adding check for str/unicode type in requires  https://review.openstack.org/15609407:21
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openstackgerritSridhar Gaddam proposed openstack/oslo.utils: Utility API to generate EUI-64 IPv6 address  https://review.openstack.org/13777407:36
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ihrachyshkadhellmann, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137913/ please remove W-1.08:48
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openstackgerritGrzegorz Grasza proposed openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: Rename utils -> _utils  https://review.openstack.org/15440909:08
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openstackgerritVipin Balachandran proposed openstack/oslo.vmware: Handle SPBM SecurityError  https://review.openstack.org/15616409:36
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openstackgerritGrzegorz Grasza proposed openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: Rename utils -> _utils  https://review.openstack.org/15440910:13
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openstackgerritGrzegorz Grasza proposed openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: Rename utils -> _utils  https://review.openstack.org/15440910:20
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: Remove more Nova-isms  https://review.openstack.org/15539311:41
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inc0https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154835/ guys can I have this reviewed please? Its for versionedobjects12:00
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openstackgerritMerged openstack-dev/cookiecutter: Bump cookiecutter's hacking to 0.10  https://review.openstack.org/15584312:49
openstackgerritMerged openstack-dev/oslo-cookiecutter: Bump cookiecutter's hacking to 0.10  https://review.openstack.org/15584612:52
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: Set up translations  https://review.openstack.org/15613913:22
openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: Use six.wraps for py2/py3 compat  https://review.openstack.org/15588213:22
openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.serialization: add dependency warning to requirements.txt  https://review.openstack.org/15601513:27
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inc0_dansmith_, hi14:28
dansmith_inc0_: warning, only one half cup of coffee ingested so far14:28
dansmith_inc0_: hi :)14:28
inc0_I'll tread softly14:29
inc0_regarding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154835/6 2 questions14:29
dansmith_sure14:29
inc0_1. Can I safely remove this tzinfo thingy? You've mentioned in comment thats its for transition14:29
inc0_2. About comparing objects - you've proposed that it is to be done as separate mixin, I've made just that14:30
inc0_why -1 then?:(14:31
dansmith_ah, I really thought I commented on the datetime thing the first time but I guess I didn't14:31
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dansmith_when we pull things out of the DB, they have no tz-aware-ness, so we want to coerce them to tz-aware, but UTC14:32
dansmith_why do you want to remove that?14:32
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dansmith_and on #2: because I was looking at an older patch (and also, see: coffee)14:32
inc0_because we don't always want to use tzaware datetime14:32
inc0_in my opinion its directly messing with data14:33
dansmith_well, we do, having made a lot of changes to get there14:33
dansmith_how about we have two fields then? DateTime and DateTimeNoTZ (or some better name)14:33
inc0_or a flag defaulting to False?14:34
inc0_True == no-tz14:34
dansmith_sure that's cool14:35
dansmith_so, if I may expand on a side tangent:14:35
dansmith_we have a test in nova that calculates the hash of all the objects, across every aspect of a thing that we consider "versioned", which includes the formats of the fields, and thus would need to cover this flag14:35
dansmith_to make sure nobody changes it and thinks it's a minor thing14:36
dansmith_I think we probably want to have some sort of infrastructure in here that makes it easy for projects to do that in their tree14:36
dansmith_there are remnants of it in test_objects.py, but it doesn't really make sense to be here since it's a library with no objects inside14:37
dhellmanngood morning, all14:37
dansmith_I haven't done much thinking about what that will look like, but just wanted to throw it out there if you're working on the heat side of this as well14:37
inc0_well in heat I had mostly problems with tests, and these failed on this tzinfo thing14:41
inc0_it seems they explicitly didn't suspect to have tzinfo in datetime14:42
inc0_hello dhellmann14:42
dhellmannhi, inc0_14:42
inc0_by the way, when do we want to have first release?14:42
inc0_anything remain to be done before that?14:43
dhellmannwe have to be pretty careful with the first release, because whatever we include there is going to be supported for a long time14:43
dhellmannI don't want to rush into it14:44
inc0_how about having a rc or something? so we could try out cinder and heat implementation14:44
inc0_?14:44
dhellmanninc0_: as soon as we release something, no matter how we tag it, someone somewhere is going to start using it as though it is fully baked14:45
inc0_(myself included)14:46
inc0_dansmith_, can you think of anything needing to be done before release?14:47
dansmith_inc0_: yeah, we have a list of things to accomplish first, right? the work items?14:47
dansmith_the registry change was the big thing I wanted to do14:47
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inc0_do we have this list somewhere summarized? So we can split work?14:48
dansmith_inc0_: https://github.com/openstack/oslo-specs/blob/master/specs/kilo/adopt-oslo-versionedobjects.rst#work-items14:49
dansmith_I think we have a couple more things to make private in base.py14:49
dansmith_I can do that14:49
openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed openstack/oslo.vmware: Add missing links to README  https://review.openstack.org/15623714:50
inc0_when we merge this comparason+datetime thing I should be able to make prototype in heat14:50
dansmith_cool14:50
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openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed openstack/oslo-incubator: Update release tool for governance change  https://review.openstack.org/15623814:53
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dhellmannsileht: are we ready for an oslo.messaging release?15:10
dhellmannviktors, rpodolyaka, zzzeek: are we ready for an oslo.db release?15:11
rpodolyakaviktors: could you please trigger your magic 'run tests on all projects' script?15:12
rpodolyakadhellmann: ^ other than that, we should be good to go15:12
dhellmannbeekneemech: it looks like we could do with an oslo.concurrency release to update the requirements and imports15:13
dhellmannrpodolyaka, viktors: we have a script like that in the incubator, hang on15:13
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dhellmannrpodolyaka: tools/pre_release_tests.py15:13
dhellmannyou have to have everything checked out already for that to work15:14
bnemecdhellmann: Okay, I'll look into that today.15:14
bnemecdhellmann: I may not be around much during the meeting.  Somebody decided to schedule another one off meeting for Monday morning. :-/15:15
dhellmannbnemec: :-/15:15
rpodolyakadhellmann: ah, didn't know that, thanks! but viktors has hardware for that ;)15:15
dhellmannbnemec: ok, I can do the release if you have a few minutes to sanity check the need15:15
dhellmannrpodolyaka: yeah, hardware is the tricky part :-)15:15
inc0_cya guys, gtg15:15
haypohi. i don't understand why people send new versions of a patch just after i review it?15:15
haypoex: i voted +2 to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154409/ and then xek just posted a new version15:16
haypothere are 7 versions of the patch set. and no changelog for each changelog. it's not convinient :-/15:16
haypois there a way to see the change between two versions of a change set? except of manually comparing them?15:16
xekhaypo, hi, I just added a line in the commit message, like you suggested15:17
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haypoxek: my questions are not specific to your issue. i have the problem every day :)15:18
xeka way of reviewing the changes between patches would be nice15:18
haypoit's just annoying to have to vote 3 times for exactly the same patch :-p15:18
viktorsrpodolyaka, dhellmann: ok, I'll do15:19
bnemechaypo: xek: There should be some links at the top of the diff for each file that say "Patch Set Base 1 2 3.....17"  If you select the two versions you want to compare it will only show the differences between those two.15:19
viktorsdhellmann: do we have meeting today as usual?15:19
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haypobnemec: oh wait, i never noticed that they are "Patch Set .. " links at left too15:20
dhellmannhaypo: if you set the "reference version" in gerrit, it will show the diff of the current patch against that version. So you can set it to N-1 and see the changes between N-1 and N, or you can set it to N-2, etc. It defaults to the first patch.15:20
dhellmannviktors: yes15:20
haypoi see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154409/6..7//COMMIT_MSG,unified15:20
haypocool15:21
bnemechaypo: Yep.  It's still a good idea for people to leave comments saying what they changed if they push new patch sets without prompting though.15:21
bnemecAnything that makes the reviewer's life easier gets a +1 from me. :-)15:21
xekbnemec, thanks :)15:22
bnemecxek: np15:22
hayposometimes, i think that it would be faster to just accept the patch instead of having the dance of new change set => vote => conflict => rebase => vote => conflict => ... :)15:22
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haypo(olso_versionedobject is moving fast ;-))15:22
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viktorszzzeek: hi! This patch may be interesting for you - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154521/ (Implement online schema migrations)15:26
zigodhellmann: http://paste.debian.net/149738/15:26
zigodhellmann: As I wrote previously, we still have an issue with Python3 and oslo.utils: unit tests can't be run with it.15:27
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dhellmannzigo: I *just* released 1.3.0 with the packaging fix. Can you try that version?15:28
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zigodhellmann: Will it work for Juno? Because the global-reqs for Juno are saying <= 1.2.115:28
dhellmannzigo: no, it is not meant to be used for juno15:28
zigodhellmann: My issue currently is that I can't upload Kilo stuff in Experimental, as this would overwrite Juno... :(15:29
zigodhellmann: And I need oslo.utils as a dependency for other stuff, like debtcollector.15:29
dhellmannzigo: nothing in juno should be using debtcollector15:29
zigodhellmann: I know, that's my own kitchen and I shouldn't bother anyone with it.15:29
zigodhellmann: Yeah, I just want to upload it so that it goes in the NEW queue early enough, so it gets a chance to be approved by FTP masters before Kilo is released.15:30
zigodhellmann: Anyway, could you point to me the packaging fix commit, or is it burried with so many other stuff?15:30
dhellmannlet me look15:31
zigoThanks.15:31
dhellmannzigo: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo.utils/commit/?id=942cf060a1ece4999234191da19aea48e005f74015:31
zigo.oO(if only we had Debian PPAMAIN, my troubles with nowhere to upload would be over...)15:31
zigodhellmann: This will not fix unit testing, will it?15:32
dhellmannzigo: if we need to create a stable/juno branch of oslo.utils and release a 1.2.2 or something we can do that15:32
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zigoThis fixeds the setup.py install though...15:32
dhellmannzigo: it should ensure that the files missing from the sdist are -- right15:32
zigoYeah, got that point ! :)15:32
zigodhellmann: Though what I'm trying to fix is unit test listing...15:34
zigo(in python3)15:34
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dhellmannzigo: oslo.utils is tested under python 3, so maybe this is a different issue than I thought. Do you have a traceback or something?15:42
dhellmannbnemec: how about an oslo.serialization release, too?15:42
zigodhellmann: That's the same issue which we had before moving to no namespace: if there's *any* oslo lib installed in the system (in this case, oslo.config and oslo.i18n, which are build-depends), then the namespace fails in Python3.15:43
dhellmannzigo: ok, well, that doesn't have anything to do with python 3.15:44
bnemecdhellmann: Yep, looks like they could both use releases.15:44
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dhellmannthat's just an issue with the namespace package, and AFAICT the only fix for that right now is to not install any of the libraries on the build machine until we can get all of them out of the namespace package15:44
dhellmannbnemec: ok, do you need a chance to look them over or should I go ahead and release them?15:45
zigodhellmann: Which I can do with Build-Conflicts, though *not* when there's build-depends (here, oslo.config and oslo.i18n, when building oslo.utils)15:45
dhellmannzigo: I'm not sure of the difference. Why does building oslo.utils depend on oslo.config? just because of the tests?15:46
zigodhellmann: http://paste.debian.net/149758/15:46
zigodhellmann: Yes, because of tests.15:46
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zigoHum...15:46
dhellmannzigo: ok. I'm not sure what to say. We're working on getting rid of the ns packages, but I'm not sure what to tell you to do in the mean time.15:47
zigodhellmann: I'm just telling you that you *cannot* do tests.test_warning.DeprecationWarningTest15:48
zigoLet me try something else again.15:48
dhellmannzigo: is there an environment variable we could check for to skip that test while you're packaging? something that is only set for debian packaging builds?15:48
bnemecdhellmann: I don't see any issues with releasing them.15:49
dhellmannbnemec: ok, I'll do those after the meeting15:50
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dhellmannzigo: if that's easy to do, and easier than you ignoring that one test file, then we can put the needed changes in all the libs15:51
zigodhellmann: I'm just trying to find a *smart* way to do stuff so that it works in all cases, and I'm failing at doing that.15:52
zigo:(15:52
zigodhellmann: Patching your upstream code and/or .testr.conf is what I'm trying to avoid.15:52
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dhellmannzigo: ok, I'm trying to be a bit flexible :-)15:53
zigodhellmann: I know you are, and I want to thank you so much, I'm just trying to figure out what to do... :)15:54
dhellmannzigo: ok, let me know what you find15:55
zigodhellmann: Currently, here's the issue:15:55
zigohttp://paste.debian.net/149765/15:56
zigo(I've disabled python 2.7 tests, which are passing ok)15:56
zigoIt's looking like subunit will list all tests whatever I put as argument for testr.15:56
dhellmannzigo: there are arguments to tell it where to start scanning for tests15:57
zigodhellmann: Is this in the .testr.conf, or can it be overridden?15:58
dhellmannzigo: it would help if you could make it show what the import error really is by just running or importing the test script directly15:58
dhellmannzigo: it's in that file, but I don't know how you would override it15:58
dhellmannmeeting time coming up15:59
zigoWell, tests.tests_encodeutils tries to import oslo.utils, and fails...15:59
dhellmannis oslo.utils present and installed?15:59
dhellmannthis should all work the same way under python 2 and 315:59
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zigodhellmann: Of course, it's *NOT* present and installed, it can't build-depends on itself. Anyway, seems patching .testr.conf does the trick, though I would have prefer avoiding it.16:10
zigoThat, plus explicitly writting that I want to do testr run --subunit 'oslo_utils.*'16:10
zigoWhich is really fine.16:10
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.vmware: Add missing links to README  https://review.openstack.org/15623716:18
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/taskflow: Add retries to fetching the zookeeper server version  https://review.openstack.org/15595016:25
openstackgerritJulien Danjou proposed openstack/oslo.utils: Deprecate strtime  https://review.openstack.org/14850016:26
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.policy: Do not log on missing or empty policy_dirs  https://review.openstack.org/15474216:47
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amrithdhellmann, is this the right place to ask a python question (that is specific to openstack and may have an OSLO answer?)17:02
dhellmannamrith: It's hard to say without knowing what the question is. :-)17:03
amrithok, 1 paste bomb coming up. ;)17:03
dhellmannamrith: if it's that big, maybe the mailing list is a better place17:05
amrith<paste-bomb>17:05
amriththere are tons of places in trove where we do imports.17:05
amriththese are of the form17:05
amrithfrom x import y17:05
amrithfrom x import y as z17:05
amrithimport x17:06
amrithI'd like to restructure the code and move modules (x) around within the code base.17:06
amrithAnd I expect that over time these same modules will move again and again.17:06
amrithBasically we're trying to create a notion of "stable", "experimental" and "preview" guest agents.17:06
amrithTo that end, I'd like to make the 'x' a string and dynamically load 'x' from that string.17:06
amrithThat makes it easier for me to fix all the code in the future when I move a module from point A to point B; fix the string and stuff magically works.17:06
dansmithdhellmann: the unit tests don't end up in the release such that a project like nova could import/use stuff in tests/ right?17:06
amrithWith importlib I can deal with the third and first kinds of imports. Having trouble with the second. Was wondering whether (a) there's a simple reference you could recommend and (b) is there any OSLO support for this kind of thing.17:06
amrith</paste-bomb>17:06
amrithoops17:06
amrithjust overlapped with your question.17:06
amrithyes, maybe ML17:06
dhellmanndansmith: they do, but we do not expect anyone to use anything in oslo_foo/tests/ and so we don't provide a stable API for them17:06
dansmithdhellmann: okay, so there is some object-sanity and object-version-hash test stuff that we really should export for other projects to use so they don't recreate the wheel.. should that stuff live outside of tests/ for that reason?17:07
dhellmannamrith: can you use stevedore with separate namespaces?17:07
* amrith ponders17:08
dhellmanndansmith: good question, I think we do something like that in oslo.db where we provide a base class for tests17:08
amrithdhellmann, let me look. not sure but I'll look.17:08
dhellmanndansmith: in the other libs we've been able to just use fixtures, I think, but it sounds like this wouldn't fit into that sort of structure?17:08
dansmithdhellmann: yeah, it's not really a fixture sort of thing17:09
dhellmanndansmith: see oslo_db/sqlalchemy/test_*.py17:09
dhellmannalthough IIRC, using test_* as the filename caused issues, so maybe we can come up with a name that doesn't match the regex testr uses to load test cases17:09
dansmithdhellmann: hmm, sqlalchemy/test/test_base.py seems to just import * from itself.. am I missing something?17:10
dhellmanndansmith: oslo_db not oslo/db17:11
dansmithdhellmann: okay17:11
dhellmanndansmith: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo.db/tree/oslo_db/sqlalchemy/test_base.py17:11
dansmithyeah17:11
dansmithokay, I'll do something like this, without the word test in the path17:12
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dhellmannamrith: stevedore may not help you if you're needing to update the imports inside the experimental modules themselves17:12
dhellmannamrith: it would be better to organize the code in a way that doesn't have to change when the experimental status of the driver changes17:12
dhellmanndansmith: sounds good17:13
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo-incubator: Switch from oslo.config to oslo_config  https://review.openstack.org/15586917:23
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dhellmannjd__, harlowja_away, dims__: is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154547/6 a backwards-incompatible change to the msgpack format?17:35
jd__dhellmann: yes, though we can make it read old format if needed – i'm not sure we released it though?17:36
dhellmannjd__: ah, good point, we haven't released the msgpack serializer yet17:37
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dhellmannjd__: I'm doing a release for oslo.serialization right now17:37
jd__maybe we could mark it experimental as I expect us to change a few things17:37
jd__ok :)17:37
jd__dhellmann: don't you want to review my patches first?17:37
jd__dhellmann: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo.serialization+branch:master+topic:jd/serialize-set,n,z17:38
dhellmannjd__: ok, I see 2 are already approved so let me look at the other17:38
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dhellmanndims__, bnemec, flaper87 : if you have a minute to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147194/ we can include it in the serialization release17:39
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dims__147194 - Done17:42
openstackgerritJoshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Allow turning off the version check  https://review.openstack.org/15630317:50
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harlowja_at_homejd__, if u get some time let me know what u think of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156013/17:59
harlowja_at_homeits a nice little change i think17:59
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openstackgerritJoshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Revert "Add retries to fetching the zookeeper server version"  https://review.openstack.org/15631718:13
openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.concurrency: Ability to set working directory  https://review.openstack.org/15584718:17
openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.serialization: Use default in dumps()  https://review.openstack.org/14719418:28
openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.serialization: jsonutils: support UUID encoding  https://review.openstack.org/14719818:29
openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.serialization: jsonutils: add set() tests and simplify recursive code  https://review.openstack.org/14719518:29
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/taskflow: adding check for str/unicode type in requires  https://review.openstack.org/15609419:15
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/taskflow: Allow turning off the version check  https://review.openstack.org/15630319:25
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openstackgerritMarian Horban proposed openstack/oslo-incubator: Using of waitpid system call was optimized  https://review.openstack.org/15634519:39
openstackgerritMerged openstack/taskflow: Revert "Add retries to fetching the zookeeper server version"  https://review.openstack.org/15631719:44
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jogozzzeek: nice blog post post, I really enjoyed it19:55
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openstackgerritMarian Horban proposed openstack/oslo-incubator: Using of waitpid system call was optimized  https://review.openstack.org/15634520:08
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zzzeekjogo: thank!20:34
zzzeeks!20:34
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openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: Remove internal items from public namespace  https://review.openstack.org/15639322:18
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: Generalize the indirection_api interface  https://review.openstack.org/15639422:18
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: Remove Nova objects module registration code  https://review.openstack.org/15639522:18
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: Add conditional object registration  https://review.openstack.org/15639622:18
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: Generalize remote testing infrastructure  https://review.openstack.org/15639722:18
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: Generalize object hash-based change detection  https://review.openstack.org/15639822:18
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: Generalize object dependency change detection  https://review.openstack.org/15639922:18
dansmithdims_: jaypipes: ^22:21
dansmithI'm making my way through the work items22:21
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dims_dansmith: ack. heading out to get some pizza and will review after that22:23
dansmithdims_: I'll allow it22:23
dims_thanks :)22:23
openstackgerritSteve Martinelli proposed openstack/oslo.policy: Use single quotes consistently  https://review.openstack.org/15640422:27
openstackgerritSteve Martinelli proposed openstack/oslo.policy: Fix minor spelling issues in oslo.policy  https://review.openstack.org/15640522:27
jaypipesdansmith: will try to get to those in a bit.22:28
dansmiththey're not critical22:28
dansmithand I'm probably failing some py3 stuff still22:28
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openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: Generalize object dependency change detection  https://review.openstack.org/15639923:07
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: Generalize object hash-based change detection  https://review.openstack.org/15639823:07
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: Generalize remote testing infrastructure  https://review.openstack.org/15639723:07
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: Add conditional object registration  https://review.openstack.org/15639623:07
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openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed openstack/oslo-specs: Open specs repository for Liberty proposals  https://review.openstack.org/15641823:44
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: Generalize object dependency change detection  https://review.openstack.org/15639923:47
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: Generalize object hash-based change detection  https://review.openstack.org/15639823:47
openstackgerritDan Smith proposed openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: Generalize remote testing infrastructure  https://review.openstack.org/15639723:47
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo-specs: Open specs repository for Liberty proposals  https://review.openstack.org/15641823:49
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