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| boris-42 | harlowja_: I have document | 00:07 |
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| boris-42 | harlowja_: related to that | 00:08 |
| boris-42 | harlowja_: but DB archiving stuff is crap | 00:08 |
| boris-42 | and should be just removed from source code | 00:08 |
| boris-42 | =) | 00:08 |
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| boris-42 | harlowja_: https://docs.google.com/a/mirantis.com/document/d/1WGrIgMtWJqPDyT6PkPeZhNpej2Q9Mwimula8S8lYGV4/edit#heading=h.xeo58l4ryngk | 00:09 |
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| boris-42 | sputnik13: ^ | 00:09 |
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| sputnik13 | what's the purpose of allowing things to be restored... an things realistically be restored? volumes, images, etc once deleted how do you restore? | 00:12 |
| harlowja_ | magic man | 00:12 |
| harlowja_ | magic | 00:12 |
| harlowja_ | lol | 00:12 |
| sputnik13 | it's a lofty goal, but I feel like the database is the wrong place to implement something like that | 00:13 |
| harlowja_ | no disagreement from me | 00:13 |
| vipul | Yea you could never restore those .. if that was the intention then it's flawed | 00:13 |
| sputnik13 | normally you have "order management" type systems that you can reach in to and cancel orders that are "in flight" | 00:13 |
| vipul | i do think that for logging/historical purposes.. there is some value | 00:13 |
| boris-42 | sputnik13: we are not "deleting" resource instantly | 00:13 |
| boris-42 | sputnik13: just hiding it and removing from DB to special table | 00:13 |
| boris-42 | sputnik13: this is case where we need restorable stuff | 00:14 |
| sputnik13 | that's what's being done in the database true, but the underlying resource is likely gone | 00:14 |
| boris-42 | sputnik13: but this should be well configured and support instant deletion as well | 00:14 |
| sputnik13 | so restoring the database entry seems to have limited use to me | 00:14 |
| boris-42 | sputnik13: in current implentation with this soft deletion things are very bad | 00:14 |
| boris-42 | sputnik13: we shouldn't have this "mark as deleted" column at all | 00:15 |
| boris-42 | sputnik13: and should not actually delete resource* | 00:15 |
| boris-42 | sputnik13: if we need to support restorable resources* | 00:15 |
| sputnik13 | right so the elephant in the room is should restorable resources be supported | 00:16 |
| sputnik13 | I think | 00:16 |
| boris-42 | if we don't need that, then we need just to get rid of soft_deleted column and that is all | 00:16 |
| boris-42 | sputnik13: but archiving db is very very bad approach in any case | 00:16 |
| sputnik13 | in order to have true support for restorations checkpointing needs to be supported and well coordinated across resources... that's a massive undertaking | 00:17 |
| sputnik13 | boris-42: agreed | 00:17 |
| sputnik13 | damn gotta run and catch my bus :) | 00:17 |
| boris-42 | sputnik13: based on my experience in OpenStack this task is just impossible | 00:17 |
| sputnik13 | boris-42: we are in violent agreement :) | 00:17 |
| boris-42 | sputnik13: so I would prefer just to get rid of soft_deleted column =) | 00:17 |
| harlowja_ | calm down children, ha | 00:18 |
| sputnik13 | +2 | 00:18 |
| harlowja_ | oh; violent agreement, ha | 00:18 |
| vipul | even that is a massive undertaking in openstack ;) | 00:18 |
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| harlowja_ | just requires lots of peace pipe smoking | 00:19 |
| harlowja_ | *this is the way of openstack, ha | 00:19 |
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| vipul | harlowja_: need to start passing that around a LOT more ;) | 00:21 |
| harlowja_ | ya; we might smoke all of colorado | 00:21 |
| harlowja_ | lol | 00:22 |
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| harlowja_ | and finally get somewhere, lol | 00:22 |
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| gtt116 | All the RPC messages' TTL is already set by oslo | 03:05 |
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| sdague | so ... https://github.com/eventlet/eventlet/pull/75 - yay! | 14:14 |
| sdague | which means we should be able to deprecate a bit of oslo.log oslo.service in next cycle | 14:14 |
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| dims | sdague: very cool | 15:04 |
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| marun | dhellmann: Hi! | 15:09 |
| marun | dhellmann: I have a question about oslo_config | 15:09 |
| marun | dhellmann: How common is it for projects to use oslo_config.cfg.CONF instead of a local ConfigMapping instance? | 15:09 |
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| elarson | using oslo_config I'm installing some plugins via stevedore that have some config options that I want to add. I find that if no plugins are found and I call cfg.CONF.reload_config_files it gets an error. is that considered normal? | 15:39 |
| * elarson would have thought that if no new options were added reload_config_files would essentially be a safe noop | 15:39 | |
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| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Make an attempt at having taskflow exceptions print causes better https://review.openstack.org/167087 | 18:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Make an attempt at having taskflow exceptions print causes better https://review.openstack.org/167087 | 18:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Allow ls() to list recursively (using breadth-first) https://review.openstack.org/167364 | 18:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Allow ls() to list recursively (using breadth-first) https://review.openstack.org/167364 | 18:44 |
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| harlowja_ | jd__ dims_ a simple one if u got some time; might as well merge it for sanity sake | 18:55 |
| harlowja_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149174/ | 18:55 |
| harlowja_ | for ye olde python2.6 | 18:55 |
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| jd__ | harlowja_: actually we don't gate py26 so I think we don't support it, you still want that? | 19:03 |
| harlowja_ | oh | 19:03 |
| harlowja_ | 'gate-oslo.serialization-python26' ? | 19:03 |
| harlowja_ | u sure :-P | 19:04 |
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| jd__ | harlowja_: why isn't it sorted? | 19:06 |
| * jd__ beats Jenkins | 19:06 | |
| harlowja_ | unsure | 19:06 |
| harlowja_ | ya, i've seen its sort order change | 19:06 |
| harlowja_ | must be some bug | 19:06 |
| jd__ | harlowja_: well can I -1 because there's no test? | 19:06 |
| harlowja_ | sureee | 19:07 |
| harlowja_ | i add test | 19:07 |
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| harlowja_ | lol | 19:10 |
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| sdague | stevemar: I just bumped - https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1437992 to critical on the oslo side, because it's a major regression in the caching strategy by the whole policy mechanism | 19:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1437992 in oslo-incubator "policy file in policy.d will be reloaded every rest api call" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Eli Qiao (taget-9) | 19:23 |
| stevemar | sdague, yay | 19:23 |
| stevemar | dhellmann, sigmavirus24 ^ | 19:24 |
| sdague | we have a reasonable work around by deleting all our policy.d files in nova right now | 19:24 |
| stevemar | good thing eli has a patch for it already | 19:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | thanks sdague | 19:24 |
| sdague | however, it basically makes that entire mechanism unuseful | 19:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | we've also deprecated policy dirs, no? | 19:25 |
| stevemar | i'll look at it in a few minutes | 19:25 |
| sdague | sigmavirus24: we've deprecated it being configurable | 19:25 |
| sigmavirus24 | right, by which I only mean, this won't be a problem for long | 19:26 |
| sdague | sigmavirus24: no, it will remain a problem | 19:26 |
| sdague | the deprecation was just that the directory will always be policy.d, not bubba-gump-shrimp.d | 19:26 |
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| sdague | but the fact that the recursive policy file check is never cached will remain a problem | 19:27 |
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| dims_ | bubba-gump-shrimp.d - hahaha | 19:48 |
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| dims_ | harlowja_: related to what stevemar / sdague were talking about. does this look good to you? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168819/ | 19:52 |
| dims_ | bnemec: ^ | 19:52 |
| harlowja_ | ah, caching | 19:52 |
| harlowja_ | hmmm | 19:52 |
| harlowja_ | i sometimes just want to delete that | 19:52 |
| harlowja_ | lol | 19:52 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/taskflow: fix renamed class to call super correctly https://review.openstack.org/169059 | 19:52 |
| harlowja_ | *let the filesystem cache itself... | 19:52 |
| harlowja_ | that review though sorta confuses me, ha | 19:53 |
| harlowja_ | how does one even get a directory into the cache in the first place :-P | 19:54 |
| harlowja_ | >>> x = '/homes/harlowja/dev/os/cloud-init' | 19:54 |
| harlowja_ | >>> with open(x, 'rb') as fh: | 19:54 |
| harlowja_ | ... b = fh.read() | 19:54 |
| harlowja_ | ... | 19:54 |
| harlowja_ | Traceback (most recent call last): | 19:54 |
| harlowja_ | File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> | 19:54 |
| harlowja_ | IsADirectoryError: [Errno 21] Is a directory: '/homes/harlowja/dev/os/cloud-init' | 19:54 |
| harlowja_ | ... | 19:54 |
| dims_ | good point harlowja_ that's not right | 19:57 |
| harlowja_ | dims_ added my comments/question | 19:57 |
| dims_ | harlowja_: guess he is trying to use the existing _FILE_CACHE to store info about directories | 20:02 |
| harlowja_ | maybe | 20:02 |
| harlowja_ | read_cached_file seems like the wrong function though, ha | 20:02 |
| dims_ | right | 20:02 |
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| dims_ | sigmavirus24: stevemar: left a counter proposal patch in Eli's review | 20:21 |
| dims_ | sdague: ^ | 20:21 |
| sigmavirus24 | dims_: thanks | 20:22 |
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| harlowja_ | jd__ actually now that i think about it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149174/ is sorta hard to add a test for; since it requires a py2.6 runtime while decoding but a 2.7 runtime while encoding (to even format it in the first place) | 20:26 |
| jd__ | harlowja_: ok | 20:26 |
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| sigmavirus24 | dims_: I'm not certain that oslo.policy should need to handle the mtime information itself | 20:31 |
| dims_ | sigmavirus24: overloading that function in fileutils is overkill. don't want to pay that tax long term | 20:31 |
| sigmavirus24 | dims_: I agree | 20:32 |
| stevemar | dims_, mtime is an interesting approac | 20:32 |
| dims_ | stevemar: essentially i pruned down what eli was using in fileutils | 20:33 |
| dims_ | and stuck it into Enforcer | 20:33 |
| sigmavirus24 | Why aren't we introducing a separate function for directories? | 20:36 |
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| stevemar | if we use dims_ approach, we don't need to make changes to fileutils | 20:38 |
| dims_ | correct | 20:38 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Note, say it had to be in fileutils ;) | 20:40 |
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| sigmavirus24 | We can mimic the existing function in fileutils in oslo_policy just to keep the separation of concerns clean | 20:41 |
| dims_ | sigmavirus24: right, if it had to be fileutils, we would have a separate set of methods to cache directory information. | 20:41 |
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| sigmavirus24 | The other thing is that storing teh cache on the enforcer isn't going to fix this bug in all services | 20:42 |
| sigmavirus24 | Not all services use a single global enforcer | 20:42 |
| * sigmavirus24 is also not following this closely as he's on his phone and it's hard to keep stuff straight | 20:43 | |
| dims_ | sigmavirus24: then i'd advocate a global variable in the existing code outside the Enforcer | 20:43 |
| sigmavirus24 | Also is this intended to be released for Kilo? | 20:44 |
| dims_ | sigmavirus24: yes | 20:44 |
| stevemar | sigmavirus24, yeah, it's been tagged as critical now | 20:52 |
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| dims_ | stevemar: want me to file a separate review or patch that one? | 21:00 |
| stevemar | dims_, try a separate review | 21:00 |
| dims_ | stevemar: ack | 21:01 |
| stevemar | dims_, you can also pass in _policy_directory_cache - as a new param to _walk_through_policy_directory | 21:01 |
| dims_ | ack | 21:02 |
| stevemar | dims_, also, it's not really a cache :P | 21:10 |
| stevemar | _policy_dir_last_access ? | 21:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/taskflow: Make an attempt at having taskflow exceptions print causes better https://review.openstack.org/167087 | 21:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/oslo.policy: Avoid reloading policy files in policy.d for every call https://review.openstack.org/169535 | 22:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/oslo.policy: Avoid reloading policy files in policy.d for every call https://review.openstack.org/169535 | 22:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/oslo.policy: Avoid reloading policy files in policy.d for every call https://review.openstack.org/169535 | 22:20 |
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| dims_ | sigmavirus24: ^^^ | 22:22 |
| dims_ | looks like stevemar and harlowja_ are not around | 22:22 |
| sigmavirus24 | I'm not a core =P | 22:22 |
| * sigmavirus24 is looking though | 22:22 | |
| dims_ | sigmavirus24: no issues, just need eyes :) | 22:23 |
| dims_ | too late for jd__ or flaper87, bnemec around? | 22:24 |
| dims_ | thanks ian! | 22:25 |
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| sigmavirus24 | yw! | 22:28 |
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