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openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/tooz: Allow more kazoo specific client options to be proxied through https://review.openstack.org/223259 | 00:39 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.db: Move runtime test resources into setup.cfg [extras] https://review.openstack.org/217347 | 01:41 |
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openstackgerrit | apporc proposed openstack/oslo.service: doing monkey_patch for unittest. https://review.openstack.org/220798 | 02:20 |
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openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Make compilation stack-less (WIP) https://review.openstack.org/223394 | 03:58 |
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openstackgerrit | Yulia Portnova proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Extend logging in amqpdriver https://review.openstack.org/221782 | 07:40 |
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openstackgerrit | you_N_G proposed openstack/oslo.utils: only capture the ImportError when importing https://review.openstack.org/220168 | 07:57 |
openstackgerrit | you_N_G proposed openstack/oslo.utils: only capture the ImportError when importing https://review.openstack.org/220168 | 07:59 |
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openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk (sileht) proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Remove useless additional requirement file https://review.openstack.org/223104 | 08:35 |
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openstackgerrit | Roman Podoliaka proposed openstack/oslo.db: Refactor deps to use extras and env markers. https://review.openstack.org/184328 | 09:18 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo-incubator: Formally deprecate the memorycache module https://review.openstack.org/223294 | 09:26 |
openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk (sileht) proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Remove useless additional requirement file https://review.openstack.org/223104 | 09:30 |
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haypo | sileht: hum, it looks like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223104/ doesn't want to pass :) | 09:52 |
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haypo | sileht: should I approve it again? | 09:52 |
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openstackgerrit | Yulia Portnova proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Extend logging in amqpdriver https://review.openstack.org/221782 | 10:19 |
zigo | sileht: I have 2 unit test failures building the Jessie backport of oslo.messaging: https://liberty-jessie.pkgs.mirantis.com/job/python-oslo.messaging/7/console | 10:25 |
zigo | Any idea why? | 10:25 |
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ihrachys | dhellmann: hi. we tried to set PBR_VERSION to reflect our rpm package version but then we get the failure in delorean: http://paste.openstack.org/show/457060/ is it expected to work as we try to use it? | 11:12 |
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dhellmann | ihrachys: I know it should be possible to override the version. What version are you using? | 11:25 |
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dhellmann | zigo: those both look like timing-related problems, like something happened slower than expected. It seems like we have a fragile test if we're checking timing. sileht may have some insight. | 11:26 |
ihrachys | dhellmann: smth like 7.0.0.0b4-dev145 in e.g. http://trunk.rdoproject.org/f21/99/b1/99b1bcf5c42c9fbbd92528adac930961f68857f4_c6e4999d/openstack-neutron-7.0.0.0b4-dev145.fc21.noarch.rpm | 11:29 |
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openstackgerrit | Yulia Portnova proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Extend logging in amqpdriver https://review.openstack.org/221782 | 11:32 |
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zigo | dhellmann: Ah ok, thanks. I'll just disable these tests then. | 11:49 |
kashyap | haypo (or anyone): Heya, I'm not quite sure if backwards compat is required here -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223133/ | 11:55 |
kashyap | haypo: Uh, please disregard me :-) It's resolved there, and dims_ acked too. Thanks! | 11:58 |
* kashyap didn't refresh the review | 11:58 | |
dims_ | kashyap: +1 to get buy in from haypo and dhellmann :) | 11:58 |
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kashyap | Yeah, I'm just a "drive by" contrib in this case, I better double-ensure. | 11:59 |
dhellmann | dims_, kashyap : I wonder if we should just have the app tell us what signal to use instead of hard-coding it? | 12:00 |
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kashyap | dhellmann: Hi | 12:01 |
dhellmann | dims_, kashyap : either way, that change is going to be release-notable so we should make sure it's listed in the mitaka release notes | 12:01 |
kashyap | dhellmann: Yeah, the thing is, there are 32 other Real Time signals that Linux Kernel supports. | 12:01 |
kashyap | So, any of them is fine too. | 12:01 |
kashyap | I was in two minds what to do about it, and danpb's comment on the review looks reasonable | 12:01 |
kashyap | dhellmann: Yes, added a DocImpact there | 12:02 |
dhellmann | I didn't actually read the patch, just the description... | 12:02 |
kashyap | And, also grepping through all docs to see wherever it is mentioned | 12:02 |
kashyap | dhellmann: That's all there is to it, might want to read the commit message if you did click on it. :-) | 12:02 |
dhellmann | ah, I see the docimpact tag now. I wonder if the doc team follows the olso libs for those | 12:03 |
dhellmann | my point was more that we've moved from one hard-coded value to another. why do we believe this one is any less likely to have a conflict with some other service? should this be configurable? should we let the app decide what signal to attach the report to? | 12:03 |
kashyap | Hmm | 12:04 |
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kashyap | dhellmann: Since it's an "ad-hoc debugging mechanism", I do wonder if worth to make it configurable. But, your question is fully valid. | 12:05 |
kashyap | s/if/if it's/ | 12:05 |
dhellmann | kashyap: if a deployer chooses a different wsgi container other than mod_wsgi, what happens? | 12:05 |
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dhellmann | it seems in general that the application should control the signal, rather than the library | 12:06 |
dhellmann | we could make the first step to that by having an optional argument to the initialization code in the lib that is the signal id, with a default of USR1 to maintain backwards compatiblity. then apps could individually set it to usr2 or whatever else they want | 12:07 |
openstackgerrit | Roman Podoliaka proposed openstack/oslo.db: Refactor deps to use extras and env markers. https://review.openstack.org/184328 | 12:07 |
kashyap | dhellmann: Hmm, could you please comment on the review with these concerns? (Or I can paste this conversation there.) | 12:07 |
dhellmann | oh, hmm, there's already a signum argument there | 12:07 |
dhellmann | so that's good :-) | 12:07 |
kashyap | dhellmann: Did you also see danpb's (IIRC author of those reports) comment there? | 12:07 |
kashyap | dhellmann: Yeah. | 12:08 |
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kashyap | dhellmann: So, you can indeed send things like: `kill -RTMIN+5 $PID` already. | 12:09 |
kashyap | I guess your concern is allayed now. :-) | 12:09 |
dhellmann | kashyap: done | 12:11 |
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kashyap | Thanks, will comment there. | 12:12 |
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haypo | kashyap: making the signal configurable is easy. just add an optional parameter to setup_autorun(), no? | 12:23 |
kashyap | haypo: Just thought a default would be reasonable. But, yeah, can try this too. | 12:25 |
haypo | kashyap: i didn't say a mandatory parameeter, i propose to add an optional parameter | 12:26 |
haypo | kashyap: just in case an application wants to use a custom signal | 12:26 |
kashyap | haypo: Custom signals can certainly work too, no need for any change. | 12:27 |
kashyap | haypo: As I wrote above, as of now, you can even send any of the realtime Linux signals (about 30 available) too, and it works just fine. -- kill -RTMIN+5 $PID | 12:28 |
kashyap | Hope that makes sense | 12:29 |
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kgiusti | flaper87: ping - have you noticed that the gate-oslo.messaging-python34 test is occasionally failing with a seg fault? | 12:30 |
haypo | wait, i didn't understand that there is already a signum parameter, sorry | 12:30 |
haypo | kgiusti: it's because of ubuntu :-( | 12:31 |
kgiusti | flaper87: https://jenkins07.openstack.org/job/gate-oslo.messaging-python34/160/console | 12:31 |
haypo | kgiusti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python3.4/+bug/1367907 | 12:31 |
kgiusti | haypo: ah, I thought it was *me* | 12:31 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1367907 in python3.4 (Ubuntu Trusty) "Segfault in gc with cyclic trash" [Undecided,In progress] | 12:31 |
haypo | kgiusti: ubuntu trusty still provides 3.4.0 which has a well known bug in the garbage collector | 12:32 |
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haypo | kgiusti: i posted a comment yesterday, and barry warsaw replied. ah! | 12:32 |
flaper87 | kgiusti: I hadn't noticed but it looks like haypo is all over it | 12:32 |
flaper87 | :D | 12:32 |
kgiusti | flaper87: haypo is now my hero, sorry flaper87. | 12:33 |
haypo | kgiusti: it's really annoying. the bug is well known, ubuntu took more than 1 year to fix it. i don't understand | 12:33 |
haypo | kgiusti: it's just a shame, come on, python 3 matters! :-D | 12:34 |
flaper87 | kgiusti: :( but :( | 12:34 |
flaper87 | haypo: I'll take kgiusti back, I PROMISSE | 12:34 |
kgiusti | haypo: that's unfortunate. But remember - this is free software. And you get what you pay for :) | 12:34 |
kashyap | haypo: Yeah, I should have mentioned about 'signum' parameter already. | 12:34 |
haypo | kgiusti: that's also why i moved to fedora. it's more reactive and have more recent version of developer tools | 12:35 |
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haypo | kashyap, dhellmann: sorry, it's hard to follow the discussion on IRC. i replied on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223133/ instead | 12:39 |
kashyap | haypo: Indeed. Thanks, it's just better to keep it all in one place. | 12:40 |
haypo | kashyap: again, registering SIGUSR1 and SIGUSR2 would solve dhellmann concern on deprecation | 12:40 |
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haypo | no need for complex solution ;) | 12:40 |
kashyap | haypo: Yeah, noted. Indeed, not a fan of needless complexity. | 12:40 |
haypo | kashyap: why do you say that it's more complex? | 12:41 |
haypo | kashyap: FYI test.regrtest of the Python test suite registers a signal handler for SIGUSR1 and SIGALRM for example, https://hg.python.org/cpython/file/tip/Lib/test/regrtest.py#l485 | 12:41 |
kashyap | haypo: Did I say "more complex" | 12:41 |
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kashyap | haypo: Thanks for the useful pointer. | 12:46 |
haypo | kashyap: sorry, do you prefer that you prefer to register SIGUSR1 & SIGUSR2 signals, or to modify all applications? | 12:46 |
kashyap | Learnt a few things today :-) | 12:46 |
kashyap | haypo: Registering both sounds sane. | 12:46 |
haypo | kashyap: oh ok | 12:46 |
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dims_ | haypo: kashyap: +1 to registering both | 12:56 |
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dhellmann | haypo, kashyap, dims_ : registering both makes the problem worse, not better | 13:00 |
dhellmann | registering a signal handler removes the existing signal handler, so if an application wants to use a signal we've just deleted their handler | 13:00 |
dhellmann | libraries shouldn't register signal handlers for the same reason they shouldn't call sys.exit() -- the library doesn't own the execution flow | 13:00 |
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haypo | dhellmann: the library doesn't register a signal handler, the application explicitly calls a library function which registers signal handlers | 13:01 |
haypo | dhellmann: no? | 13:02 |
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dhellmann | haypo: it would be better if the library provided a callback that the application could install for its desired triggering mechanism (maybe that's an rpc call, or notification, instead of a unix signal, for example) | 13:03 |
dhellmann | haypo: the library should be passive | 13:04 |
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dims_ | hmm | 13:06 |
dims_ | dhellmann: 3 choices now? library in charge (try sigusr1 if already registered, try sigusr2), application in charge(call back) , operator in charge (config option) | 13:08 |
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dhellmann | dims_: yeah. we need to decide if this is a library, and passively providing features, or a framework, and actively making requirements of how the app is structured | 13:09 |
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openstackgerrit | Balazs Gibizer proposed openstack/oslo.i18n: Enhance the formatting error robustness patch https://review.openstack.org/216785 | 13:14 |
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kashyap | dhellmann: I can understand your comment on "if it's a library" or "framework actively making req" -- but wouldn't that be a non-binary, depending on scenario answer? | 13:41 |
dhellmann | kashyap: oslo.reports needs to decide what it is. I think it's going to be more usable across the heterogeneous openstack landscape as a library, rather than a framework | 13:41 |
kashyap | By the way, that point on review by Dan looks spot on to me -- letting the already overburdend admin to not choose from a bajillion signals for all different services. | 13:42 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.messaging: Remove useless additional requirement file https://review.openstack.org/223104 | 13:42 |
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kashyap | dhellmann: Sure, understands. Where will this decision be made? On this project's weekly meetings? | 13:42 |
dhellmann | kashyap: that's a question for dims, I'm just raising an issue I see. | 13:43 |
kashyap | s/understands/I understand/ | 13:43 |
kashyap | dhellmann: Noted, I'll let him chime in. | 13:43 |
kashyap | dhellmann: Thanks (also for virtualenvwrapper & co)! :-) | 13:44 |
dhellmann | kashyap: :-) | 13:45 |
kashyap | Yeah, that was my "gentle introduction" to how-to-use many virtual envs. | 13:46 |
kashyap | (Manage trivially.) | 13:46 |
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openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/oslo-incubator: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/223608 | 14:17 |
openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/223609 | 14:18 |
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dims_ | ozamiatin: ping | 14:48 |
ozamiatin | dims_: pong | 14:48 |
dims_ | i see conflicts, want to walk me through them? http://paste.openstack.org/show/463115/ | 14:48 |
ozamiatin | dims_: yeah sure | 14:49 |
dims_ | which files can i remove entirely? | 14:50 |
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ozamiatin | dims_: I already have all things merged, but git review doesn't allow me to push a review | 14:50 |
dims_ | ozamiatin: tar up the files and send them to me please? | 14:51 |
ozamiatin | dims_: ok, I'll e-mail | 14:51 |
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ozamiatin | dims_: try this link https://www.dropbox.com/s/enyecsfk8m0tjvx/oslo.messaging.zip?dl=0 | 14:57 |
mriedem | dhellmann: per https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.utils/+bug/1488746 we need a stable/juno branch created for oslo.utils from the 1.4.0 release | 14:57 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1488746 in oslo.utils "Uncapped *requirements.txt in stable/juno" [Undecided,New] | 14:57 |
dims_ | ozamiatin: got it | 14:57 |
mriedem | dhellmann: which is the lower bound in g-r stable/juno: https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/stable/juno/global-requirements.txt#L68 | 14:57 |
mriedem | oslo.utils>=1.4.0,<1.5.0 # Apache-2.0 | 14:57 |
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dhellmann | mriedem: ack, I think I have a request in my growing backlog for that already | 15:04 |
dhellmann | dims_: you're good with the stable branch request, right? ^^ | 15:04 |
mriedem | dhellmann: yeah, old news | 15:04 |
dims_ | mriedem: dhellmann: +1 | 15:04 |
dhellmann | mriedem: sorry it has taken so long to get to this, I'll do it now | 15:04 |
mriedem | dhellmann: np | 15:04 |
mriedem | thanks | 15:04 |
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dhellmann | mriedem, dims_: done and .gitreview updated in https://review.openstack.org/223636 | 15:06 |
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mriedem | dhellmann: thanks | 15:06 |
dhellmann | mriedem, dims_ : oslotest stable/juno is also created https://review.openstack.org/223637 | 15:09 |
mriedem | cool, i hadn't gotten far enough yet to know what oslotest was blocking | 15:09 |
mriedem | oslo.i18n or pycadf or both or something | 15:10 |
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mriedem | oslo.utils g-r sync for stable/juno here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223641/ | 15:12 |
dims_ | dhellmann: please bless this (https://review.openstack.org/223642) - need pushMerge for feature/zmq | 15:12 |
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dmitryme | Hey guys, I've filed a bug for messaging - https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.messaging/+bug/1495568 . Basically here I suggest to switch from auto-delete queues to expiring queues. The later are also deleted by RabbitMQ if no consumers are left, but only after a user-defined grace period. That will help us avoid many issues with symptom 'exchange not found', when RabbitMQ prematurely deletes a queue which might be used again just a little later. I'd l | 15:17 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1495568 in oslo.messaging "Use expiring queues instead of auto-delete ones in RabbitMQ driver" [Undecided,New] | 15:17 |
dmitryme | to hear your opinion if it makes sense to you. | 15:17 |
dmitryme | sileht: dims suggested that probably you might have an opinion here | 15:17 |
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dhellmann | dims_: +1 | 15:25 |
dhellmann | dmitryme: that seems reasonable, but I'll defer to our messaging experts | 15:25 |
sileht | dmitryme, this is a good idea I have made some try on this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179708/, the biggest issue with this is how to upgrade already created queue on the rabbit cluster | 15:27 |
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sileht | dmitryme, hum my change was not for the issue, but use the solution | 15:30 |
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sileht | for the/for the same | 15:31 |
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sileht | dmitryme, I guess to solve the issue we need to write a specs that explain the plan to allow the rolling upgrade | 15:33 |
dmitryme | dhellmann: thank you for reviewing | 15:33 |
dmitryme | sileht: hmm, interesting problem, I didn’t thought about upgrade | 15:33 |
sileht | dmitryme, not all queues attributes can be changed when the queue is used | 15:34 |
dmitryme | sileht: yes, seems like auto-delete is one of the examples of such attributes | 15:35 |
sileht | I clearly agree that removing autodelete will be good thing for us | 15:35 |
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dmitryme | sileht: I gave it a little thought. It seems like switching to expiring queues will not disrupt rolling upgrade. The new code should work fine with old queues, at least documentation (https://www.rabbitmq.com/amqp-0-9-1-reference.html) says that“The server MUST ignore the auto-delete field if the exchange already exists.” | 15:47 |
dmitryme | probably the same will apply to queue attributes | 15:47 |
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dmitryme | the only problem is that upgraded cloud will still run with auto-delete queues, though expirating queus might be configured instead | 15:48 |
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dmitryme | s/expirating/expiring | 15:50 |
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rohit_ | mriedem: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217415/ awaiting your approval, please take a look | 15:59 |
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mriedem | rohit_: i'd rather see one of the ceilometer stable cores do that, like jd__ or eglynn | 16:00 |
rohit_ | mridem: Thanks, i'll ping them | 16:01 |
jd__ | I'm pinged | 16:01 |
mriedem | consider yourself pung | 16:02 |
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openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/tooz: Allow more kazoo specific client options to be proxied through https://review.openstack.org/223259 | 17:43 |
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mriedem | dhellmann: dims_: ping for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223641/ - that would become oslo.utils 1.4.1 for stable/juno so we can unblock python-ceilometerclient in stable/juno, i'll push the releases change once that's merged | 17:45 |
mriedem | adam_g: ^ you too | 17:45 |
dhellmann | mriedem: +2 | 17:46 |
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dims_ | mriedem: done | 17:50 |
mriedem | thanks | 17:51 |
mriedem | it'll be like xmas morning when tonyb wakes up | 17:52 |
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harlowja | its xmas already | 17:53 |
harlowja | damn | 17:53 |
* harlowja was talking to my dental hygenist lady yesterday about how she doesn't like xmas cause she has to listen to 24/7 xmas music for like 3 months, lol | 17:54 | |
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harlowja | just incase u all wanted to know that, ha | 17:54 |
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openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Add a pooled conductor and have existing impl. derive from it https://review.openstack.org/174643 | 18:43 |
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openstackgerrit | Vilobh Meshram proposed openstack/tooz: Expose Znode Stats and Capabilities https://review.openstack.org/221947 | 19:09 |
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openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Add a pooled conductor and have existing impl. derive from it https://review.openstack.org/174643 | 19:18 |
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openstackgerrit | venkatamahesh proposed openstack/oslo.i18n: Added the home-page value with openstack.org https://review.openstack.org/223779 | 19:39 |
openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Add a executor backed conductor and have existing impl. use it https://review.openstack.org/174643 | 19:46 |
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openstackgerrit | venkatamahesh proposed openstack/oslo.utils: Added the home-page value with openstack.org https://review.openstack.org/223786 | 20:02 |
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openstackgerrit | venkatamahesh proposed openstack/oslotest: Added the home-page value with openstack.org https://review.openstack.org/223787 | 20:07 |
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openstackgerrit | venkatamahesh proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Fix the home-page value with openstack.org https://review.openstack.org/223788 | 20:14 |
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openstackgerrit | venkatamahesh proposed openstack/oslo.db: Fix the home-page value with openstack.org https://review.openstack.org/223790 | 20:21 |
openstackgerrit | venkatamahesh proposed openstack/oslo.service: Fix the home-page value in setup.cfg https://review.openstack.org/223791 | 20:26 |
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openstackgerrit | venkatamahesh proposed openstack/oslo.log: Fix the home-page value in setup.cfg with openstack.org https://review.openstack.org/223795 | 20:34 |
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openstackgerrit | venkatamahesh proposed openstack/oslo.config: Fix home-page value in setup.cfg with openstack.org https://review.openstack.org/223798 | 20:38 |
openstackgerrit | venkatamahesh proposed openstack/oslo.middleware: Fix the home-page in setup.cfg with openstack.org https://review.openstack.org/223801 | 20:43 |
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mriedem | i cannot figure out why py34 here is good in check and fails in gate? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223641/ | 21:19 |
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haypo | mriedem: a library upgrade fixed a bug? | 21:31 |
haypo | mriedem: what is the py34 failure? i'm not aware of it | 21:31 |
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mriedem | haypo: https://jenkins04.openstack.org/job/gate-oslo.utils-python34/36/consoleFull | 21:31 |
haypo | mriedem: it looks like a bug in testtools | 21:33 |
haypo | mriedem: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223641/ upgrades testtools. >=0.9.36,!=1.2.0 becomes !=1.4.0,<=1.5.0,>=0.9.34 | 21:33 |
haypo | hum, i'm not sure that it's an upgrade :) | 21:34 |
haypo | mriedem: maybe lifeless knows something about it ;) | 21:34 |
mriedem | haypo: but i'm not sure why it would fail in the gate queue but not check queue | 21:35 |
mriedem | that's weird | 21:35 |
mriedem | anyway, i have to run, will poke on it later | 21:36 |
haypo | mriedem: ah, testtools 1.5.0 is used in both cases | 21:37 |
lifeless | haypo: hmm ? | 21:38 |
haypo | mriedem, lifeless : in https://jenkins04.openstack.org/job/gate-oslo.utils-python34/36/consoleFull it looks like tokenize.open() fails because the file is not a real file :) file.readline() returns something different than a string | 21:40 |
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openstackgerrit | Surojit Pathak proposed openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: Added test for DateTimeField in obj_get_change https://review.openstack.org/222332 | 21:40 |
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lifeless | haypo: ack; sorry EMEETING | 21:41 |
haypo | the "ResourceWarning: unclosed file <_io.TextIOWrapper name=1 encoding='UTF-8'>" error is strange. it looks like tokenize.open() opened a file called 1 (an int, not a string) | 21:41 |
haypo | 1 is sys.stdout file descriptor | 21:41 |
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openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Add a executor backed conductor and have existing impl. use it https://review.openstack.org/174643 | 22:27 |
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lifeless | haypo: is this new ? | 23:31 |
lifeless | haypo: 1.5 is quite old, I'd expect 1.8 to be getting chosen | 23:31 |
lifeless | haypo: openstack should only be testing with 1.8 | 23:32 |
openstackgerrit | Vilobh Meshram proposed openstack/tooz: Expose Znode Stats and Capabilities https://review.openstack.org/221947 | 23:35 |
lifeless | haypo: ah, its a juno thing | 23:36 |
lifeless | haypo: so testtools 1.6 fixes this I suspect | 23:38 |
lifeless | 2015-09-15 20:53:15.012 | match = cookie_re.match(line_string) | 23:38 |
lifeless | 2015-09-15 20:53:15.012 | TypeError: expected string or buffer | 23:38 |
lifeless | haypo: that means it got bytes on something needing a string, I think | 23:38 |
lifeless | haypo: hmm, no, I get a different error trying that | 23:39 |
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