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| openstackgerrit | Oleksii Zamiatin proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: WIP: [zmq] PUB-SUB pipeline. https://review.openstack.org/249326 | 15:49 |
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| lxsli | dhellmann: we haven't released mutation_hook yet | 16:15 |
| lxsli | dhellmann: should I push a patch to remove it, to save API-breakage later? in case oslo.config gets auto-released soon | 16:15 |
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| lxsli | dhellmann: no idea about taskflow or that multi-callback system you mentioned. I'd rather avoid getting diverted without at least a lot more details (dims?) | 16:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | ChangBo Guo(gcb) proposed openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: Use version convert methods from oslo_utils.versionutils https://review.openstack.org/251390 | 16:28 |
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| harlowja_at_home | i'll be back on shortly | 16:50 |
| harlowja_at_home | shortly(ish) | 16:50 |
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| dhellmann | lxsli : I think we just talked about your questions in the meeting, but for the record here in case anyone is looking at the logs later: I thought we agreed at the summit that oslo.config didn't need callbacks, that the service-level code receiving the instruction to reload the config would tell oslo.config to do that, and then when that was successful it would invoke any other functions needed to update the application or library code that | 16:53 |
| dhellmann | needed to know about new option values. | 16:53 |
| lxsli | dhellmann: yep thanks | 16:53 |
| lxsli | dhellmann: I need a bit of help if possible - I was passing a 'fresh' dict of changed values to the hook. I can't see a good way to pass that out. | 16:54 |
| lxsli | I could return it from reload_config_files but you'll get a False-y value ({}) if the reload succeeded but nothing changed | 16:55 |
| dhellmann | lxsli : we should raise an exception if reload fails. I'm not sure why we need to know what config settings changed, though? | 16:55 |
| lxsli | dhellmann: current behaviour is to return False if reload fails | 16:55 |
| dhellmann | lxsli : we might need a new method, then, if we definitely need to know what options have changed. Why do we need that? | 16:56 |
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| lxsli | dhellmann: I thought it'd be more convenient to have an updated dict than to rifle through the whole config; but that might not be true thinking about it | 16:56 |
| dhellmann | some types of mutable options are going to require logic to deal with the updates (log levels changing). That logic should just be idempotent so it doesn't matter if it's called repeatedly with the same value. | 16:58 |
| lxsli | let's fix it when we find a case that needs it then | 16:58 |
| dhellmann | other types of mutable options don't need any logic at all, if they're a static value that is just read from the configopts instance when it's needed (I can't think of a good example of this) | 16:58 |
| dhellmann | right | 16:59 |
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| lxsli | thank you | 16:59 |
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| dhellmann | although now we have a new failure case that needs to be logged, which is "a nonmutable option was changed during the reload" | 16:59 |
| dhellmann | oslo.config can do that itself, I suppose | 16:59 |
| lxsli | dhellmann: I'm already logging a warning for that | 16:59 |
| dhellmann | great | 16:59 |
| dhellmann | I apologize for not keeping up with the development of this :-/ | 17:00 |
| lxsli | dhellmann: np you have plenty on your plate I'm sure! | 17:00 |
| lxsli | dhellmann: oslo have been very responsive compared to, say, Nova :) | 17:01 |
| dhellmann | lxsli : we do try! and thank you for working with us. :-) | 17:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Roman Podoliaka proposed openstack/oslo.db: Refactor deps to use extras and env markers https://review.openstack.org/184328 | 17:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Alexis Lee proposed openstack/oslo.config: Remove mutation hook https://review.openstack.org/251471 | 17:01 |
| * dhellmann wanders off in search of food | 17:02 | |
| lxsli | dhellmann: when you get back - ^^ | 17:02 |
| lxsli | dims: if you'd also be kind enough to look at that, it's important this merges before 3.0.1 is released | 17:03 |
| dims | lxsli thanks! | 17:04 |
| dims | lxsli : will wait for the changes to get through CI | 17:04 |
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| lxsli | dims: yes for sure, thank you :) | 17:05 |
| lxsli | btw I'm working on a patch to oslo.log to make 'debug' (and 'verbose') mutable | 17:06 |
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| dims | lxsli ack thanks | 17:08 |
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| lifeless | haypo: testr run --analyze-isolation | 17:13 |
| haypo | lifeless: hi. what is --analyze-isolation? | 17:13 |
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| haypo | lifeless: i made some minor progress on my issue. tests fail with: python setup.py testr --slowest --testr-args='glance.tests.unit', but they don't fail anymore if i add --no-parallel | 17:14 |
| lifeless | haypo: it will use the set of failures and the traces they occured in to detect cross test interactions | 17:14 |
| haypo | lifeless: i spent 5 hours to try to reproduce the failure. it's really amazing how random it is | 17:15 |
| lifeless | haypo: you can re-inject the failure into the db with testr load | 17:15 |
| lifeless | haypo: then try testr run --analyze-isolation, it may get a result quickly for you | 17:15 |
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| haypo | i just retried 'rm -rf .testrepository/; date; tox -r -e py34; date' 4 times with --no-parallel, but it doesn't fail anymore | 17:16 |
| haypo | without --no-parallel (so with parallel test runners), it only takes 2 runs to get a failure | 17:16 |
| haypo | lifeless: before i reproduced. then i used testr last --subunit|subunit2pyunit. then i manually extracted the list of tests from it, i rerun tests in the same order with testtools.run: it doesn't fail anymore!? | 17:18 |
| haypo | (before, i reproduced the failure*) | 17:18 |
| haypo | i also copied PYTHONHASHSEED, it doesn't help | 17:18 |
| haypo | lifeless: it's unclear to me how testr combines results from parallel test runners | 17:18 |
| lifeless | haypo: backends can run in any order | 17:19 |
| lifeless | haypo: its basically set based; the new scheduler will change that a bit but its not ready yet | 17:19 |
| haypo | lifeless: i'm not sure that running the same tests in the exact same order is enough to reproduce the bug | 17:19 |
| lifeless | haypo: you're not doing that anyway, you're just loading them into the same backend | 17:20 |
| lifeless | haypo: anyhow, once you've had a failure, run testr run --analyze-isolation | 17:20 |
| lifeless | haypo: I know I sound like a broken record | 17:20 |
| lifeless | haypo: but it exists precisely for the sort of scenario you're describing; see the docs for a detailed description | 17:21 |
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| haypo | lifeless: ok. since you mentioned --analyze-isolation i'm trying to reproduce the bug, but i'm unable to reproduce it anymore :-) | 17:22 |
| lifeless | haypo: stop using --no-parallel :) | 17:22 |
| lifeless | haypo: note that one of the differences between testr run and setup.py test is that setup.py defaults to parallel | 17:23 |
| haypo | lifeless: it's exactly what i'm doing right now. 3 runs later, the bug doesn't want to appear again | 17:23 |
| haypo | as i said, it's really hard to reproduce it :-/ | 17:23 |
| lifeless | haypo: if you hadn't deleted your testr db | 17:24 |
| lifeless | haypo: we could just have pulled a failed run out of it | 17:24 |
| lifeless | haypo: suggestion for next time: don't do that | 17:24 |
| haypo | maybe. i'm really lost after 5 hours :-p | 17:24 |
| haypo | lifeless: i'm trying random things and i'm getting random output | 17:25 |
| haypo | i became a random number generator | 17:25 |
| haypo | lifeless: i'm using 'tox -r -e py34' instead of 'tox -e py34', it's insane, but right now, it's the most efficient way to reproduce the bug... | 17:26 |
| lifeless | haypo: so do this | 17:26 |
| haypo | lifeless: i noticed that sometimes tests behave differently depending on the .pyc timestamp | 17:26 |
| lifeless | haypo: testr run --parallel --until-failure | 17:26 |
| lifeless | haypo: and leave it for 30m | 17:27 |
| haypo | lifeless: ah! i just reproduce the bug. now i'm running 'testr run --analyze-isolation' | 17:28 |
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| haypo | the full test suite takes than 3 minutes | 17:28 |
| haypo | lifeless: FYI i'm working on a glance issue, to port unit tests to python 3 | 17:28 |
| haypo | lifeless: ok, it was very helpful: "unknown - no conflicts" :-D | 17:28 |
| lifeless | haypo: ok, so that means that its truely a race | 17:29 |
| haypo | lifeless: haha | 17:29 |
| haypo | lifeless: i wasn't kiding you | 17:29 |
| lifeless | haypo: now | 17:29 |
| lifeless | haypo: in the failure trace each test has a tag worker-N | 17:29 |
| lifeless | haypo: all the tests with the same worker-N ran on the same backend | 17:29 |
| lifeless | haypo: you can use subunit-filter < .testrepository/$ID to filter for just the tests from one worker | 17:30 |
| lifeless | haypo: and then subunit-ls to get their ids | 17:30 |
| lifeless | haypo: and then testr run --no-parallel --until-failure --load-list $name to loop | 17:31 |
| lifeless | haypo: how many tests fail when this happens ? one or many? | 17:31 |
| lifeless | haypo: have a look at their worker ids, do they all fail in the same backend ? | 17:31 |
| haypo | lifeless: i have to go, will be here in 1 or 2 hours? | 17:32 |
| lifeless | haypo: btw, one trick - the files in .testrepository are still in subunit v1, so you need to pipe the run file | subunit-1to2 | 17:32 |
| lifeless | haypo: I will | 17:32 |
| haypo | lifeless: see you later | 17:33 |
| lifeless | haypo: kk; we'll pin this down | 17:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo-incubator: Cleaning up code in oslo-incubator https://review.openstack.org/245461 | 17:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.messaging: Move ConnectionPool and ConnectionContext outside amqp.py https://review.openstack.org/251165 | 18:33 |
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| harlowja | dhellmann moved that lock file stuff/question/review to http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/080825.html | 18:43 |
| harlowja | since i'd really like to know/agree on why or what people are doing to clean those up... | 18:44 |
| harlowja | connected to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241663/ | 18:44 |
| harlowja | (if u forget) | 18:44 |
| dhellmann | harlowja : yeah, the glob thing felt pretty unpolished | 18:44 |
| harlowja | ya, i mean i get it | 18:44 |
| harlowja | but it still seems umm odd | 18:44 |
| harlowja | i'd like to maybe just switch to a lock file per project, and let the project use offsets into it | 18:44 |
| harlowja | so there would be a /var/locks/nova.lock and thats it | 18:45 |
| harlowja | that file would never get deleted (ever) | 18:45 |
| harlowja | and it would be off sufficent size to be useful to said nova (or other) project | 18:45 |
| harlowja | but ya, check that thread out when u have time | 18:46 |
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| dims | #success cross-project, technical-debt-reduction effort pays dividends, no code left in oslo-incubator repo anymore | 19:18 |
| openstackstatus | dims: Added success to Success page | 19:18 |
| harlowja | yaa | 19:19 |
| harlowja | ha | 19:19 |
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| harlowja | dims don't lose my superawesome tool scripts, ha | 19:19 |
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| harlowja | *or other tools in https://github.com/openstack/oslo-incubator/tree/master/tools | 19:20 |
| harlowja | some of those are still nice | 19:20 |
| dims | harlowja : y just the sources we used to sync to projects | 19:20 |
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| harlowja | k | 19:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Option group for notifications https://review.openstack.org/249508 | 19:30 |
| dims | harlowja : seen this yet? https://bugs.launchpad.net/debtcollector/+bug/1520397 | 19:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1520397 in debtcollector "Problem with abstract classes" [Undecided,New] | 19:32 |
| harlowja | have not | 19:33 |
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| harlowja | i'm gonna blame the wrapt library, ha | 19:33 |
| harlowja | dims why u break it, ha | 19:34 |
| * harlowja wonders if wrapt decorator doesn't handle that case very well | 19:35 | |
| harlowja | *universal decoratot | 19:35 |
| harlowja | *r | 19:35 |
| dims | y probably | 19:35 |
| harlowja | https://github.com/GrahamDumpleton/wrapt/issues/51 | 19:35 |
| harlowja | looks similar :-P | 19:35 |
| harlowja | 'metaclass conflict when deriving from decorated classes' ... | 19:36 |
| harlowja | maybe try 'Derive from A.__wrapped__.' | 19:36 |
| dims | that would look odd (and break compat too) | 19:37 |
| harlowja | well might just look odd, not sure about break compat | 19:39 |
| harlowja | other option i think is to not have remove() for classes and have a specialized remove_class | 19:40 |
| harlowja | because remove, using wrapt universal decorator (which i trust grahm the author to do it way better than i can) doesn't seem to handle this case well | 19:40 |
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| harlowja | dims sooo up to u :-P | 19:45 |
| dims | harlowja : y let's leave it as a bug for now | 19:46 |
| harlowja | k | 19:46 |
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| rlrossit | dansmith: I'm thinking about adding tests to o.vo fixtures... would you be cool if I work on that? | 20:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/oslo.concurrency: Add complementary remove lock with prefix function https://review.openstack.org/251523 | 20:15 |
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| dansmith | rlrossit: tests? no way man.. tests are for ... yes, of course :) | 20:25 |
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| rlrossit | dansmith: for right now I'm just going to write them around the ObjectVersionChecker, but if I get enough gusto I'll throw up other patches for testing the other fixtures | 20:46 |
| dansmith | cool | 20:46 |
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| dougwig | hi oslo, I have an oslo_i18n question. Neutron has neutron/i18n.py, which a lot of its subprojects have been importing and using. When creating neutron-lib, I noticed in your docs that it's not a good idea to export from a library, so made it _i18n.py, and swapped neutron around as well ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250071/ ). This implies that all the | 21:21 |
| dougwig | neutron subprojects (a bunch of vendor repos + lbaas, fwaas, and vpnaas) should also have their own _i18n.py, right? What's your recommendation there? | 21:21 |
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| lifeless | haypo: ok so | 22:29 |
| lifeless | do you have the id of a failing run ? | 22:29 |
| lifeless | like 6 from your pastebin ? | 22:29 |
| haypo | lifeless: sorry i just want to give up | 22:30 |
| haypo | lifeless: it's just impossible to reproduce the bug | 22:30 |
| lifeless | haypo: up to you; 5 minutes would get us something that could run in a loop while you sleep | 22:30 |
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| haypo | lifeless: it wouldn't help | 22:31 |
| haypo | lifeless: i found many ways to trigger the bug | 22:31 |
| lifeless | haypo: why not? | 22:31 |
| lifeless | haypo: but | 22:31 |
| haypo | but it was never able to reproduce it twice | 22:31 |
| haypo | i was* | 22:31 |
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| lifeless | hmm, where doeslockutils-wrapper come from ? | 22:33 |
| lifeless | haypo: so, what I was proposing to do was to run in a loop | 22:33 |
| lifeless | haypo: hopefully eliminating (after 8 hours or so) single-thread intereactions: or demonstrating that it can happen in a single thread | 22:33 |
| haypo | lifeless: i don't understand how a loop would help | 22:33 |
| lifeless | either way we'd gain data | 22:33 |
| haypo | lifeless: i created between 2 and 10 list of tests which reproduced the bug | 22:34 |
| lifeless | if its cross thread, we can look at timing data from the full run failure (id 6) to determine what tests ran at the same time | 22:34 |
| haypo | with the PYTHONHASHSEED | 22:34 |
| haypo | but i was never able to see the bug reappears from a nexisting list | 22:34 |
| haypo | lifeless: i just give up, sorry | 22:35 |
| lifeless | if its able to be reproduced in a single process, thats also useful data | 22:35 |
| lifeless | haypo: well, not me you need to apologise to :) | 22:35 |
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