| boris-42 | harlowja: we have some bad bug in rally (if <0.8.4 is installed) | 00:00 |
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| boris-42 | harlowja: and in gates we have always 0.8.5 | 00:00 |
| boris-42 | harlowja: so we even didn't see it | 00:00 |
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| harlowja | boris-42 i don't think i can do much on requirements repo :-P | 00:01 |
| harlowja | besides say 'sure' +1 | 00:01 |
| harlowja | lol | 00:01 |
| harlowja | i'm powerless | 00:01 |
| boris-42 | harlowja: you don't have +2power?) | 00:01 |
| harlowja | no | 00:01 |
| harlowja | lol | 00:01 |
| harlowja | dims dhellmann i think do | 00:01 |
| harlowja | i'm just a meer lower-class person | 00:02 |
| harlowja | working in the coal mines | 00:02 |
| harlowja | lol | 00:02 |
| harlowja | lifeless might be able to boris-42 | 00:04 |
| boris-42 | harlowja: =) | 00:04 |
| dims | boris-42 : harlowja : easy to look up who to hassle https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/131,members | 00:05 |
| dims | :) | 00:05 |
| harlowja | ya | 00:05 |
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| boris-42 | dims: I hope infra guys will help to get this in | 00:06 |
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| dims | boris-42 : i'd give it a few days :) | 00:06 |
| dims | everyone's a bit tied up, dhellmann is travelling, thierry is coralling folks to release etc... | 00:07 |
| harlowja | i'm in a coal mine | 00:08 |
| harlowja | lol | 00:08 |
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| lifeless | looking | 00:30 |
| lifeless | its already +A | 00:31 |
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| lifeless | boris-42: ^ | 00:31 |
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| boris-42 | lifeless: thanks | 03:10 |
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| dukhlov | silent: hi | 10:34 |
| dukhlov | silent: I have answered to your comment for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300727/ | 10:35 |
| patchbot | dukhlov: patch 300727 - oslo.messaging - Refactor driver's listener interface | 10:35 |
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| dukhlov | silent: could you review it again or share your thoughts here? | 10:36 |
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| sileht | dukhlov: I was already ok, I have just changed my +1 in +2 | 12:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.messaging: Refactor driver's listener interface https://review.openstack.org/300727 | 13:42 |
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| ozamiatin | dims: hi | 14:19 |
| dims | hey oleksii | 14:19 |
| ozamiatin | dims: need your help if you get some time | 14:19 |
| dims | ozamiatin : what's up? | 14:19 |
| ozamiatin | i get this error on gate job http://logs.openstack.org/74/298274/6/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-full-zmq/8f00574/logs/devstacklog.txt.gz#_2016-04-06_13_56_45_967 | 14:20 |
| ozamiatin | while locally i don't have it | 14:20 |
| ozamiatin | seems like versions mismatch? | 14:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Yulia Portnova proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Amqp driver send method change https://review.openstack.org/302281 | 14:22 |
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| dims | ozamiatin : pip freeze shows the right SHA? http://logs.openstack.org/74/298274/6/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-full-zmq/8f00574/logs/pip-freeze.txt.gz | 14:24 |
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| ozamiatin | dims: yes ee394d3 is correct | 14:27 |
| dims | ozamiatin : so looks like we have n-net in http://logs.openstack.org/74/298274/6/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-full-zmq/8f00574/logs/localrc.txt.gz | 14:27 |
| dims | and somehow neutron is enabled too | 14:28 |
| ozamiatin | dims: yeah, thats strange | 14:29 |
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| ozamiatin | dims: but actually i don't see any of q-services there | 14:31 |
| ski2 | dhellmann: hey doug, i've submitted 4 blueprints based on a cross project spec we're working on, would the monday oslo meeting be the place to discuss those? | 14:31 |
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| dims | ozamiatin : see use_neutron = True in nova.conf | 14:36 |
| ozamiatin | dims: ah, i see | 14:37 |
| dims | ski2 : dhellmann is travelling, but yes, that's a good time to talk to folks | 14:37 |
| ski2 | dims: perfect ty, i'll be there | 14:37 |
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| dims | ozamiatin : smells like a recent devstack change, can you please chase it? | 14:45 |
| ozamiatin | dims: ok, i'll try | 14:46 |
| dims | ozamiatin http://codesearch.openstack.org/?q=use_neutron&i=nope&files=&repos=devstack | 14:46 |
| dims | ozamiatin : y, ping me back if you are stuck | 14:47 |
| ozamiatin | dims: ok, thank you! | 14:47 |
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| dansmith | dims: can haz +A? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287106/ | 15:11 |
| patchbot | dansmith: patch 287106 - oslo.versionedobjects - Add BaseEnumField valid_values introspection | 15:11 |
| dansmith | patchbot: not very helpful | 15:11 |
| dims | dansmith : ack give me few mins | 15:11 |
| dansmith | dims: I demand immediate attention! (of course, just a ping) | 15:11 |
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| dims | :) dansmith | 15:15 |
| dims | i had one question on mutability and that's already addressed :) | 15:15 |
| dims | had to scan comments | 15:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dmitry Mescheryakov (dmitryme) proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Fix oslo.messaging for Mac OS X https://review.openstack.org/302349 | 16:28 |
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| amrith | hello folks, I have a question from someone asking about oslo's storage of rabbitmq password, and whether there's a way in which to store the password in a config file in encrypted form. Apparently some services do this, is it true, any pointers on how? | 16:57 |
| amrith | the best I can find is that rabbit_password is a simple StrOpt | 16:58 |
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| browne | amrith: there is no encryption of passwords in conf files. but this issue has been brought up many times before (few bugs/blueprints out there). i've also been meaning to propose a change that would allow this | 17:02 |
| amrith | thanks browne ... I figured that the password (even if it was encrypted) would have to use some reversible cipher. and opensource + reversible makes "encryption" hard :) | 17:03 |
| browne | the problem is where you store the key | 17:03 |
| amrith | I wasn't concerned about the 'on the wire' thing as much as the 'at rest' part. | 17:04 |
| browne | if its stored locally, many believe this is just as bad as having clear-text passwords | 17:04 |
| amrith | that the URL includes the password is another risk :) | 17:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.messaging: Fix oslo.messaging for Mac OS X https://review.openstack.org/302349 | 20:59 |
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| harlowja | dims let me know if u find much out about http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/091580.html | 21:11 |
| harlowja | i'm intrigued | 21:11 |
| dims | harlowja : of course | 21:11 |
| dims | harlowja : i just enrolled in the sig-openstack thingy https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/wiki/Special-Interest-Groups-(SIGs) | 21:12 |
| harlowja | intersting | 21:12 |
| harlowja | ran by guy from google | 21:13 |
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| harlowja | *the meeting for openstack | 21:13 |
| harlowja | this area confuses me, lol | 21:13 |
| harlowja | the whole area, ha | 21:13 |
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| harlowja | dims i don't get the desire to have kubernetes ontop of openstack | 21:16 |
| harlowja | and just opened https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wNl_xcITKwzUsFNRu5npUTJuh9pbJAdzzpG6Cd2Fcp0/edit?ts=5703f8ac | 21:16 |
| harlowja | not the kind of integration i want/envision ... | 21:16 |
| harlowja | why not have kubernetes be closer to openstack (make it pluggable to do this, i don't care) | 21:17 |
| harlowja | then it can be used with openstack, not ontop of | 21:18 |
| dims | harlowja : one more https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iAQ3LSF_Ky6uZdFtEZPD_8i6HXeFxIeW4XtGcUJtPyU/edit | 21:18 |
| harlowja | 'You need permission' :-/ | 21:18 |
| harlowja | i no permissioned | 21:19 |
| dims | y just ask for it | 21:19 |
| harlowja | k | 21:19 |
| harlowja | i gotta get to the bottom of why this kind of integration is desired | 21:19 |
| harlowja | imho i don't want it to end-state at that | 21:19 |
| dims | interesting stuff like this one https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/pull/21737 | 21:19 |
| dims | folks seem to talk both about both OpenStack on K8S and K8S on OpenStack | 21:20 |
| harlowja | how about K8S interoping with openstack | 21:21 |
| harlowja | instead of on each other | 21:21 |
| harlowja | lol | 21:21 |
| dims | gus : i saw you at the meeting yesterday...what is your feeling about what they are doing there? | 21:21 |
| harlowja | i don't like the on each other approach to much | 21:21 |
| harlowja | it feels wrong, lol | 21:21 |
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| dims | harlowja : here's another one (not openstack!) kubernetes-mesos https://github.com/mesosphere/kubernetes-mesos/tree/master/images/dcos | 21:23 |
| harlowja | i want my mommy | 21:23 |
| harlowja | lol | 21:23 |
| dims | if you see interesting stuff, drop 'em my way | 21:23 |
| dims | LOL | 21:23 |
| harlowja | dims u getting involved in this stuff at mirantis it seems :-P | 21:23 |
| harlowja | as i am somewhat here, ha | 21:23 |
| harlowja | the space is all over the place :-P | 21:23 |
| harlowja | it starts to feel very much like wild-west-coe-time | 21:24 |
| harlowja | :) | 21:24 |
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| dims | harlowja : nope, i am not involved. just watching things float by | 21:30 |
| harlowja | k | 21:30 |
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| gus | dims: I wrote the openstack "provider plugin" for kubernetes a while back and messed around with deploying openstack-on-kubernetes before kolla was a thing, so yes I know a bit about how all these parts might interact ;) | 22:52 |
| gus | (bitrotted experiments: https://github.com/anguslees/kube-openstack) | 22:52 |
| gus | The meeting yesterday was the second(?) kubernetes VC meeting dedicated to how they might better interact with kubernetes. | 22:53 |
| gus | So it's a bit like our magnum project, but this is the group from k8s thinking about integration. | 22:53 |
| dims | ah thanks gus | 22:53 |
| gus | (supposedly - I saw a lot of familiar openstack people there :P ) | 22:54 |
| gus | k8s has various hooks into the underlying infrastructure, so it can point loadbalancers at running container instances, attach remote storage to containers, etc. | 22:55 |
| harlowja | gus intersting | 22:55 |
| gus | So it has a bunch of code that is openstack-specific (alongside gce, aws, etc versions too) | 22:55 |
| harlowja | ya, the overlap is ummm, intersting | 22:55 |
| harlowja | i would like something 'integrated' | 22:56 |
| harlowja | not ontop-of-each-other<or other> | 22:56 |
| gus | harlowja: the underlying problem (I think) is that people don't actually *want* VMs. | 22:56 |
| harlowja | ya, that's fine | 22:56 |
| gus | You give someone a VM, and they're roughly still back where they started from - they still have to manage an OS and their actual payload,e tc. | 22:56 |
| harlowja | ironic? | 22:56 |
| gus | so there will always be a big gap between what openstack has provided (so far) and what people actually need. | 22:57 |
| gus | the various COEs are one attempt to fill that gap - but in a lot of ways puppet/chef/ansible/etc are that too from a different direction. | 22:57 |
| harlowja | ya, the so far hopefully shrinks to not so far | 22:57 |
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| gus | so don't be surprised to see more things in this space, is I think what I'm saying ;) | 22:58 |
| harlowja | yes, i'm awaiting said things | 22:58 |
| harlowja | lol | 22:58 |
| harlowja | whatever they may be :-P | 22:58 |
| gus | k8s on openstack actually makes a lot of sense imo | 22:58 |
| gus | k8s (currently) is single tenant, and deals with a high-ish abstraction. | 22:59 |
| harlowja | why not k8s integrated with openstack in various ways | 22:59 |
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| harlowja | reduce some of the overlap | 22:59 |
| harlowja | doesn't have to be a forced integration, make it optional, idk | 22:59 |
| gus | If you want to provide that on a multitenant cloud, then openstack does quite a good job of compensating for those missing bits in k8s. | 22:59 |
| gus | harlowja: what overlap do you see? | 22:59 |
| harlowja | so would k8s and keystone need to interconnect better? | 23:00 |
| gus | as I see it, k8s brings a cheaper "application-oriented" configuration, health checking, active management of jobs. | 23:00 |
| gus | and openstack brings isolation, a portable abstraction, and actual compute resources. | 23:00 |
| dims | gus : didn't see a lot of love there for magnum | 23:01 |
| gus | harlowja: not as long as k8s stays single-tenant - since the keystone auth is then implied. | 23:01 |
| gus | dims: this was a k8s-pov group, so magnum is a bit "meh". | 23:02 |
| harlowja | right, single-tenant sorta == sad | 23:02 |
| harlowja | why not actually use keystone (?) | 23:02 |
| gus | from a k8s-only pov, all of the k8s deployment methods work, and are similar or simpler than deploying magnum just to deploy k8s. | 23:03 |
| gus | harlowja: I think that's mischaracterising it a lot. | 23:03 |
| harlowja | how so? | 23:04 |
| gus | 1. k8s works on many more platforms than just openstack, so assuming keystone isn't useful. | 23:04 |
| harlowja | that's ok | 23:04 |
| harlowja | don't assume, make it work via a pluggable blah blah | 23:04 |
| gus | 2. k8s is container-based, so isolation is an issue - and isn't solved by just user authentication at the API level. | 23:04 |
| gus | 3. keystone isn't that good. The keys that get passed around are large, need validation through a central authority, aren't able to be stored in tpm secure-storage, etc, etc. | 23:05 |
| harlowja | we can make keystone better? | 23:05 |
| gus | (isn't that good for k8s' use case) | 23:05 |
| gus | harlowja: sure - or they could just not use keystone. | 23:05 |
| harlowja | right, that's always an answer, disjoint communities ;-/ | 23:06 |
| harlowja | :-/ | 23:06 |
| harlowja | and maybe that's how it will be, idk | 23:06 |
| harlowja | but that sorta seems sad | 23:06 |
| gus | partly - but also API authentication is the easy part of everything they (and us) have to solve. | 23:06 |
| dims | gus : so what seems to be of interest is the baremetal stuff from nova/ironic and the plethora of networking we can bring to the table. is this right? | 23:07 |
| gus | from the k8s-on-openstack pov yes. | 23:07 |
| dims | cool. just trying to guage | 23:07 |
| gus | From my selfish view (which I think I raised in that meeting) is that the openstack cloud-provider plugin has no integration testing atm - so given that we're the ~only platform that is open source we *should* be spinning up integration tests somehow. | 23:08 |
| gus | the other side is openstack-on-k8s - which is a completely different thing. | 23:08 |
| gus | (and we didn't cover much during that meeting - but for example there's an ops session on each at Austin) | 23:09 |
| * harlowja looking forward to some of these sessions :-P | 23:09 | |
| dims | gus, yes of course. that's what the mirantis folks on the call are shooting for | 23:09 |
| gus | oh look, I gave a talk on that a long time ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYxvdkOZqBU | 23:10 |
| gus | </shameless-plug> | 23:10 |
| dims | haha | 23:10 |
| harlowja | lol | 23:10 |
| dims | thanks. will line that up | 23:10 |
| gus | the kolla folks (and some others) have gotten a lot further than when I was messing around with it. | 23:11 |
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| harlowja | oh hey its angus on video | 23:11 |
| harlowja | :) | 23:11 |
| gus | see also kolla-mesos, which has similar goals, but using marathon/mesos rather than k8s. | 23:11 |
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| harlowja | right, i somewhat feel that the kolla like stuff is sorta limited to a small set of people that would be interested in it | 23:13 |
| gus | (I also messed around with openstack-on-marathon a bit before kolla-mesos existed :) | 23:13 |
| harlowja | because how many people really want to deploy openstack :-P | 23:13 |
| harlowja | people/companies, ha | 23:13 |
| gus | What will be *really* interesting, and I only have the barest code towards supporting, is openstack-as-a-mesos-framework. | 23:13 |
| harlowja | not tiny-bob-from-idaho-who-owns-shop-X | 23:13 |
| harlowja | taskflow :-P | 23:13 |
| harlowja | taskflow as a mesos replacement | 23:13 |
| harlowja | lol | 23:13 |
| gus | There's just so much work to be done to put make the building blocks right :/ | 23:15 |
| gus | I accidentally reimplemented coreos over the last few weekends, so I could run it on my "cluster" of cheap arm devices :/ https://gitlab.com/anguslees/containos | 23:15 |
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| harlowja | lol | 23:15 |
| harlowja | i cut some boards over the last weekend | 23:16 |
| harlowja | for some shelves | 23:16 |
| harlowja | lol | 23:16 |
| gus | yeah, I don't actually do anything *useful*. | 23:16 |
| dims | lol | 23:17 |
| harlowja | ya, just put some offers into taskflow jobs | 23:18 |
| harlowja | and there u go, mesos, lol | 23:18 |
| harlowja | mesosflow | 23:18 |
| dims | h/t to gus! way better use of weekend than mine | 23:19 |
| gus | you should actually try mesos - it's not a taskflow system ;) | 23:19 |
| harlowja | :) | 23:19 |
| harlowja | i only know projects that start with 't' | 23:19 |
| gus | harlowja: for one thing, it can't do one step followed by another ;) | 23:19 |
| harlowja | lol | 23:19 |
| dims | talk to you all in a bit. | 23:19 |
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| harlowja | gus yes, i need to stop doing stuff on condo (soon) then i'll get around to the mesos-weekend :-P | 23:20 |
| gus | (condo?) | 23:22 |
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| harlowja | condominium | 23:27 |
| harlowja | maybe abbrev. a US thing :-P | 23:27 |
| gus | oh, an actual condo. | 23:28 |
| harlowja | ya | 23:28 |
| gus | I was thinking this was some other oslo/openstack project I hadn't heard of yet :) | 23:28 |
| harlowja | welllll now that u mention it | 23:30 |
| harlowja | lol | 23:30 |
| harlowja | oslo/condo | 23:31 |
| harlowja | lol | 23:31 |
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| harlowja | its a new project, it will build your house for u | 23:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sachi King proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Fix soabi tests with pypy https://review.openstack.org/302045 | 23:40 |
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