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| SamYaple | I having a bit of trouble with oslo-policy. im pluging oslo-policy into a project and I can't quite follow how 'user_id:%(user_id)s' is processed. | 14:26 |
| SamYaple | would user_id be checked against the target? | 14:27 |
| SamYaple | I can't find what the target object would look like to check on this | 14:27 |
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| SamYaple | ah i think i understand this. For rule 'user_id:%(user_id)s', creds dict's key named 'user_id' values is checked against target dict's key named 'user_id' value | 14:35 |
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| pmalik | amrith stewie925 Hi. See my comments on: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312611/ P. | 14:51 |
| patchbot | pmalik: patch 312611 - trove - Rename called_once_with methods correctly | 14:51 |
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| adam_g | dukhlov: hi, around? | 16:01 |
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| dukhlov | adam_g: hi | 16:02 |
| adam_g | dukhlov: hi, not sure if you saw an email i sent your way. but ive hit a problem with oslo.messaging due to some of the changes you pushed as part of a big refactor in 5.x, wondering if you might have some insight | 16:04 |
| dukhlov | hm... astara? | 16:04 |
| adam_g | dukhlov: https://bugs.launchpad.net/astara/+bug/1583330 | 16:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1583330 in Astara "neutron messages not being received by astara" [Critical,Confirmed] | 16:04 |
| adam_g | yea | 16:04 |
| dukhlov | I answered that mail | 16:05 |
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| adam_g | oh? i wonder if it got lost here, one sec | 16:05 |
| adam_g | dukhlov: oh, sorry i found it. not sure how i missed that. looking now , thanks | 16:05 |
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| dukhlov | ok, feel free to ask more | 16:06 |
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| adam_g | dukhlov: so changing .start() to be non-blocking is a pretty significant interface change, or was i just using it incorrectly to begin with? | 16:07 |
| adam_g | also, isn't having that blcok the point of executor='blocking' | 16:08 |
| adam_g | ? | 16:08 |
| dukhlov | It is hard to answer. You can specify executor type for server(blocking - by default, eventlet and threading). blocking blocks start method, eventlet and threading doesn't. it is oslo.messaging design issue which was fixed. | 16:10 |
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| dukhlov | but blocking executor is not recommended for using (recommended just for testing), so it is also your problem that you are using it. | 16:12 |
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| dukhlov | so some mix of issues | 16:12 |
| adam_g | dukhlov: right, so if executor='blocking', start() should block as it always has? or am i missing something (sorry, my familiarity oslo.messaging is limited) | 16:12 |
| adam_g | hmmm executor=blocking sure seems to be recommended for using if its the default :) | 16:12 |
| dukhlov | yes, it is also our mistake | 16:13 |
| adam_g | im happy to adjust our usage to fit the newer interfaces but worry this is going to bite users who might have tooling built around notifications | 16:14 |
| dukhlov | start method should work in the same way for all executors | 16:14 |
| dukhlov | and don't block | 16:14 |
| dukhlov | Understood, but hopefully you need to change just a few lines of codes to adapt your code to new oslo.messaging release | 16:15 |
| dukhlov | I hope it is not big problem for you | 16:16 |
| adam_g | ok, i suppose ill just convert astara to use threading executor, since curretly we just spawn some threads to call the blocking start() anyway | 16:16 |
| adam_g | dukhlov: so executor='blocking' should really be dropped entirely ? | 16:16 |
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| dukhlov | no | 16:20 |
| dukhlov | blocking executor could be used if you want execute messages one by one | 16:21 |
| dukhlov | not in parallel | 16:21 |
| dukhlov | initially blocking executor was just simple implementation for testing and anybody doesn't care about compatibility with other executors I guess | 16:23 |
| sileht | That was just a bug to have start that block for blocking executor | 16:23 |
| dukhlov | And oslo team was't considered it for some project usage | 16:24 |
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| sileht | most people use eventlet and some projects that don't want eventlet use threading executor | 16:24 |
| sileht | the blocking handle one message at once, this is just slow as hell, but usefull for test/debugging | 16:25 |
| dukhlov | sileht: thank you for details | 16:25 |
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| dukhlov | sileht: but blocking is default and some projects which haven't dove deep enough to messagin | 16:28 |
| dukhlov | g | 16:28 |
| dukhlov | use blocking | 16:28 |
| dukhlov | by default | 16:28 |
| dukhlov | sileht: is it correct that blocking is default? | 16:29 |
| sileht | dukhlov,I think because we don't want enforce people to use eventlet, and to use threading the application must be threadsafe | 16:29 |
| sileht | dukhlov, but yeah blocking is not really something to use in production | 16:30 |
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| adam_g | sileht: dukhlov ok thanks for the helpful details. | 16:30 |
| sileht | dukhlov, perhaps we should log a warning | 16:30 |
| adam_g | ill work today to get astara off of the blocking executor and onto one of the others | 16:30 |
| adam_g | would be great to see a warning added to docs/comments in oslo.messaging | 16:30 |
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| harlowja_ | cdent very well stated (around scope of openstack) | 16:36 |
| cdent | thanks harlowja_, good to hear. My thoughts on the topic are getting so twisted I'm starting to doubt myself | 16:37 |
| harlowja_ | lol | 16:37 |
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| harlowja_ | still makes sense to me :-P | 16:37 |
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| sileht | dukhlov, https://review.openstack.org/319346 | 16:38 |
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| cdent | harlowja_: yes, but you're pretty twisted... | 16:38 |
| harlowja_ | ya, true | 16:38 |
| harlowja_ | good point, lol | 16:39 |
| * sileht thinks it should take a look to the ml | 16:39 | |
| harlowja_ | lol | 16:39 |
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| harlowja_ | cdent ya i guess i've always been a proponent of things should work well not just in the openstack bubble | 16:41 |
| cdent | yes | 16:41 |
| harlowja_ | because a good project/library/code should be useful even in the wider world, and a truely useful one will have no probelm being useful there | 16:41 |
| harlowja_ | and blah blah | 16:42 |
| harlowja_ | lol | 16:42 |
| cdent | I'm pretty frustrated about this topic, because it's quite likely that no matter how much we talk about it there won't be much change because there is a lot of vested interest in not changing. | 16:42 |
| harlowja_ | change is happening whether people admit it or not ;) | 16:42 |
| harlowja_ | just fyi ;) | 16:42 |
| cdent | well, yes | 16:42 |
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| harlowja_ | for example, looking at the kube connecting into openstack that's underway, that could be one of the first tests of 'see what is actually useable independently from another non-openstack project' | 16:43 |
| cdent | I'd just prefer it to happen in a visible and friendly way, not be broadsided | 16:43 |
| harlowja_ | ya, fair | 16:43 |
| cdent | oh yeah, my cursory look over at k8s had me thinking: "gonna eat openstack's lunch" so it would be far better for that to be "can make friends and be mutually beneficial" | 16:44 |
| harlowja_ | yup, that's my belief in what it can be | 16:44 |
| harlowja_ | *the latter | 16:44 |
| harlowja_ | it has alot of similar concepts as nova | 16:44 |
| harlowja_ | https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/blob/0e03e83592957edf73b59b33c5ae48bbd74e9f71/plugin/pkg/scheduler/scheduler.go#L93 ( a scheduler that picks pod locations) | 16:45 |
| harlowja_ | pretty equivalent to nova's scheduler ... | 16:46 |
| harlowja_ | with a similar kind of filtering stuff :-P | 16:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ken Giusti proposed openstack/oslo-specs: Add spec for AMQP 1.0 Dispatch Router https://review.openstack.org/314603 | 18:10 |
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| kgiusti | harlowja_: ping - you still around? got a question re: feature branch 'best practice' | 20:26 |
| harlowja_ | kgiusti whats upp | 20:26 |
| harlowja_ | will see if i can answer | 20:26 |
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| kgiusti | hey! This might be a q: for infra - is it possible to merge master into the feature branch? | 20:27 |
| harlowja_ | hmmm, ya, got me ;) | 20:27 |
| harlowja_ | i'll say yes | 20:27 |
| kgiusti | ah, ok - there must be a trick to it - after I merge gerrit will no longer allow me to review as I don't have 'push merge' permission. | 20:28 |
| harlowja_ | :-/ | 20:28 |
| kgiusti | I'll go pester infra - thanks | 20:28 |
| harlowja_ | np | 20:28 |
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| kgiusti | harlowja_: ha! It *is* you! :D | 20:35 |
| kgiusti | harlowja_: actually, infra recommends that the ACLs be set so the core can do this | 20:35 |
| kgiusti | harlowja_: but currently PushMerge is only allowed for oslo-release | 20:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.messaging: Add reno for releasenotes management https://review.openstack.org/318695 | 20:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.config: Disallow config option name as same as attribute of ConfigOpts https://review.openstack.org/289752 | 20:53 |
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