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| openstackgerrit | Zhongcheng Lao proposed openstack/oslo.vmware master: Make sure host in maintenance mode excluded from image upload https://review.openstack.org/465939 | 12:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matthew Montgomery proposed openstack-dev/pbr master: Ignore index URL lines in requirements.txt files https://review.openstack.org/465941 | 12:28 |
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| zzzeek | dhellmann: if an opensack project actually, for real, wanted to remove "all oslo depenendencies", and then proceed to roll their own in some massive undertaking....um can we boot them from openstack? :) becayse that would be insanely harmful | 17:19 |
| dims | zzzeek : LOL we already have someone who does not use oslo :) | 17:20 |
| zzzeek | hence the name "openSACK" | 17:20 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek : the gnocchi team has already moved itself out of openstack | 17:20 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: ah! great. bye bye :) | 17:20 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: we're talking about things like, "hey everyone uses oslo.log, so if we do this other thing, then containers can log nicely" etc | 17:21 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek : I've been trying to get folks to see that for 5 years, you don't have to tell me :-) | 17:22 |
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| zzzeek | dhellmann: if gnocchi is not in openstack why am i seeing may 18 commit in git://git.openstack.org/openstack/gnocchi ? | 17:29 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek : it's still hosted on our infrastructure, but it's not under governance. They're in the process of moving entirely off to github. | 17:29 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: how mediocre :) | 17:29 |
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| gordc | we have existing branches, we just need them merged before we move. | 17:32 |
| gordc | what's the issue with oslo? just wondering if there's something we should address? | 17:33 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: ive come to realize that w/ software i have autocratic tendencies. i think projects need to be *way* more standardized | 17:33 |
| zzzeek | gordc: if your database code starts to suck, I can't fix it because you are not using oslo.db | 17:33 |
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| dhellmann | gordc : jd_ said something on a review or ML about stripping all use of oslo out of gnocchi. it was part of the discussion of the babel requirements issue, but I don't have a link handy | 17:34 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek : I've dropped the stick in favor of finding more and bigger carrots | 17:35 |
| gordc | dhellmann: ok. well that's jd_ being jd_.lol | 17:35 |
| dhellmann | gordc : right | 17:35 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann gordc yes I am familiar with this jd_ -ness as well but I like to take people's words seriously | 17:35 |
| gordc | zzzeek: i don't think we've talked about removing oslo.db... all we've remove so far was stuff that is just essentially a wrapper around another library | 17:35 |
| dhellmann | gordc : you're still oslo core, right? could you take some time to look over https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:improve-logging-debugging for me, please? | 17:37 |
| dhellmann | there's a spec and a series of improvements to oslo.log based on forum feedback | 17:37 |
| gordc | dhellmann: i'm only a core in select projects... but sure, i can take a glance after lunch | 17:38 |
| dhellmann | gordc : oh, we can fix that ;-) | 17:38 |
| dhellmann | but, yeah, thanks | 17:38 |
| gordc | lol as you wish. i admittedly just casually participating. | 17:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kevin Benton proposed openstack/oslo.db master: Attach context being used to session/connection info https://review.openstack.org/466068 | 18:30 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: not sure that quite does it, but i think it might be close ^^ | 18:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Kevin Benton proposed openstack/oslo.db master: Attach context being used to session/connection info https://review.openstack.org/466068 | 18:32 |
| jd_ | zzzeek: I'm waiting on you to standardize Swift then! ;) | 18:33 |
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| zzzeek | kevinbenton: nice you made another context manager! that's how i would have done it | 18:53 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: i wish python syntax allowed parens around CMs so you didn't have to use the ugly \ | 18:56 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: when using multiple ones | 18:56 |
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| zzzeek | has anyone ever tried / wondered / thought of the fact that openstack CLIs have no pipe / redirection support ? | 19:16 |
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| dhellmann | zzzeek : we built some features into the python-openstackclient and cliff to better support pipelines | 19:21 |
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| zzzeek | dhellmann: I've only worked with the CLI a little bit for nova/neutron etc. but I foudn myself copy-pasting GUIDS waaaaay more than anyone should | 19:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/pycadf master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/465357 | 19:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/tooz master: [WIP] Separate etcd3gw driver that uses the etcd3 grpc gateway https://review.openstack.org/466098 | 20:24 |
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| kevinbenton | zzzeek: well with neutron client at least you can request specific field values | 20:35 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: neutron port-list -c id -f value | 20:35 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: will just list port IDs and nothing else | 20:36 |
| kevinbenton | no headers or anything to worry about | 20:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/tooz master: [WIP] Separate etcd3gw driver that uses the etcd3 grpc gateway https://review.openstack.org/466098 | 20:38 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: im a novice operator, so i cant say much. but using the "openstack" cli that overlaps with ironic/nova/neutron and then different CLIs have different naming conventions etc., it makes for a bad sales pitch | 20:39 |
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| kevinbenton | zzzeek: ah, right. i didn't know if you were referring to the old one or the new one :) | 20:40 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: is "openstack xyz" the "new" one? | 20:40 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: yep | 20:40 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: but...i can't do everyting w/ that or I can? i just want to learn one | 20:41 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: so openstack is the new preferred one. I think it's pretty close to parity now. we've been working on that over the last couple of cycles | 20:41 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: OK but i can't do like neutron-db-manage w/ it can I ? | 20:41 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: no, that's a completely separate binary from the clients | 20:42 |
| zzzeek | kevinbenton: grr see ? :) | 20:42 |
| kevinbenton | dhellmann: do you know if there are any plans to unify the utils under a common prefix of openstack? | 20:42 |
| dhellmann | kevinbenton : "the utils"? | 20:42 |
| kevinbenton | dhellmann: like neutron-db-manage and nova-db-manager | 20:43 |
| dhellmann | I'm not aware of any plans to do that specifically, but I know the tripleo folks provide plugins for OSC for their commands and there's no reason other projects couldn't do the same | 20:43 |
| dhellmann | they wouldn't go into the OSC tree, since dtroyer wants to keep that user-focused | 20:43 |
| dhellmann | someone could also start an openstack-manage command built on cliff, I guess | 20:44 |
| dhellmann | or osc-lib, probably, since it needs auth | 20:44 |
| kevinbenton | makes sense | 20:44 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: so yeah, as a "user" you should be able to get by with openstack | 20:44 |
| kevinbenton | zzzeek: but as an "operator", you still have to run a slight blend :) | 20:45 |
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| kevinbenton | dims: hey, what's the release cycle like for oslo.db again? | 20:46 |
| kevinbenton | dims: e.g. if this merges tomorrow, when is the earliest i can probably get it in requirements? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/466068/ | 20:47 |
| dims | kevinbenton : weekly, gcb does the honors | 20:47 |
| dhellmann | gcb has been doing releases more or less weekly, so if there's something that needs to be done just talk to him | 20:47 |
| kevinbenton | ack, thanks | 20:47 |
| dhellmann | you can request a release on your own and get him to +1 it, too | 20:47 |
| kevinbenton | ok | 20:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/tooz master: [WIP] Single etcd3 driver that uses the etcd3 grpc gateway when eventlet present https://review.openstack.org/466109 | 21:22 |
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| dims | dhellmann : jd_ : mordred : which one is better for tooz+etcd3/grpc-gateway support? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/466098/ or https://review.openstack.org/#/c/466109/ | 21:25 |
| mordred | dims: looking | 21:33 |
| mordred | dims: I like the one that's a single driver that uses grpc if eventlet isn't present and otherwise uses the gw | 21:35 |
| dims | mordred : i am leaning towards 2 separate drivers at this point so it's easier to debug/fix later | 21:35 |
| mordred | heh. :) | 21:35 |
| dims | :) | 21:35 |
| dims | ack, please drop a note, will get more views and will drop a note to -dev tomorrow after sleeping on it | 21:36 |
| mordred | dims: the reason I lke one is that the gw isn't really an active user choice, it's a workaround for eventlet - and it always wants to be used if eventlet is used, and not if it's not | 21:36 |
| dims | right agree | 21:36 |
| mordred | and if we ever get grpc+eventlet fixed, we can just remove the workaround and people can be better with no work on their part | 21:36 |
| mordred | but - I think both ways are perfectly valid and I wouldn't think negative thoughts towards either | 21:37 |
| dims | yep. also helps with code drift between the drivers | 21:37 |
| dims | thanks for peeking mordred | 21:37 |
| dims | sileht : jd_ : thanks for feedback | 21:39 |
| jd_ | dims: what you can do too is call that etcd3+http I guess? | 21:40 |
| jd_ | dims: also, what I could advise for eventlet based API that knows the grpc is going to be a problem, is to s,etcd3://,etcd3+http://, in their init code. We've done that for mysql:// -> mysql+pymysql:// in some of our projects to be sure we use pymysql | 21:41 |
| jd_ | I agree with mordred that it's best if it's "hidden" from the operator in the end, the poor guy should not have to know about the internal :( | 21:41 |
| sileht | jd_, +1 | 21:42 |
| sileht | jd_, that will also help to share code between the two libs | 21:42 |
| mordred | jd_: ++ | 21:42 |
| jd_ | dims: or if you're sure of the eventlet pattern detection and it's reliable, I guess we can envision adding it somewhere in tooz, but I'm not sure we can be smarter than the app in the lib | 21:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed openstack/oslo.db master: Move oslo.context to test-requirements https://review.openstack.org/466113 | 21:53 |
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