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| openstackgerrit | Lance Bragstad proposed openstack/oslo-specs master: A specification for additional enforcement attributes https://review.openstack.org/552045 | 14:55 |
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| bnemec | #startmeeting oslo | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 12 15:00:08 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bnemec. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 15:00 |
| bnemec | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, crushil, dansmith, dhellmann | 15:00 |
| bnemec | courtesy ping for dims, dougwig, e0ne, electrocucaracha, flaper87, garyk, gcb | 15:00 |
| bnemec | courtesy ping for GheRivero, haypo, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti | 15:00 |
| bnemec | courtesy ping for kragniz, lhx_, lifeless, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, raildo | 15:00 |
| bnemec | courtesy ping for rbradfor, redrobot, rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak | 15:00 |
| bnemec | courtesy ping for stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zxy | 15:00 |
| bnemec | courtesy ping for zzzeek | 15:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 15:00 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 15:00 |
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| ansmith | o/ | 15:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 15:00 |
| * zzzeek can watch but is OTP | 15:01 | |
| crushil | o/ | 15:01 |
| raildo | o/ | 15:02 |
| bnemec | Hi everyone | 15:02 |
| bnemec | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:02 | |
| jungleboyj | No red flags here. All is quiet. | 15:02 |
| bnemec | I saw there was a mailing list message about Cinder and config generation. | 15:02 |
| jungleboyj | bnemec: Yes. That is one of the things I need to work on in Rocky. | 15:03 |
| * jungleboyj is hoping to have the bandwidth to actually work on that. | 15:04 | |
| bnemec | jungleboyj: Okay, sounds good. I see Doug replied to that already too. | 15:04 |
| jungleboyj | bnemec: Ok, I will have to take a look. | 15:04 |
| bnemec | Anything else? | 15:05 |
| jungleboyj | This is a problem we have been ignoring for a while. | 15:05 |
| bnemec | #topic Releases | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:06 | |
| bnemec | I still need to get up to speed on releases. It's been a while since I've been involved in them. | 15:06 |
| bnemec | #action bnemec to sync with gcb and/or dhellmann on Oslo releases | 15:07 |
| bnemec | Otherwise I don't think there's much going on release-wise right now. | 15:07 |
| bnemec | #topic Agenda cleanup | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda cleanup (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:08 | |
| bnemec | I think the first two bullets on the agenda have been addressed and I will remove them before next meeting. | 15:08 |
| bnemec | Specifically, they are | 15:08 |
| bnemec | Improving Logging debugging spec and patch series - https://review.openstack.org/460112 and https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:improve-logging-debugging | 15:08 |
| bnemec | Oslo.config to protect plain text secrets in configuration files - Updates and general schedule - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/513844/ | 15:08 |
| bnemec | If anyone objects let me know, but otherwise I'm going to move on. | 15:09 |
| bnemec | #topic oslo.config changes to let an app detect whether a user has changed a config value (dhellmann) | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oslo.config changes to let an app detect whether a user has changed a config value (dhellmann) (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:09 | |
| bnemec | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/537397/ | 15:09 |
| bnemec | dhellmann: Around? | 15:10 |
| bnemec | I see the first three patches in that series have merged. Maybe it's just a question of getting reviews on the last couple. | 15:10 |
| bnemec | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/537400 | 15:11 |
| bnemec | is the next one in the series if anyone is looking for Oslo code to review | 15:11 |
| bnemec | I think we'll move on then. | 15:12 |
| jungleboyj | Oooh, that sounds like a good feature. :-) | 15:12 |
| bnemec | #topic Onboarding session at Summit | 15:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Onboarding session at Summit (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:12 | |
| bnemec | I got an email about this from the Foundation. | 15:12 |
| bnemec | I don't think we've done Oslo onboarding sessions in the past (at least not that I've attended), but wanted to ask if people think it could be useful. | 15:13 |
| bnemec | I'm happy to schedule time for it and be in the room to help. | 15:14 |
| bnemec | Any thoughts? | 15:14 |
| jungleboyj | bnemec: For Cinder they have been helpful. A way to introduce Cinder to people who want to get involved. | 15:14 |
| jungleboyj | For Oslo it may be a slightly different audience. | 15:15 |
| bnemec | Yeah, I'm kind of hoping maybe it would help get more people involved in Oslo. | 15:15 |
| jungleboyj | Less newbies and more people who are in the community looking to better understand Oslo. | 15:15 |
| jungleboyj | bnemec: ++ | 15:15 |
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| jungleboyj | bnemec: Honestly, I would attend just because I don't feel like I understand all the pieces that Oslo encompasses. | 15:15 |
| jungleboyj | So, I guess I think it is a good idea. | 15:16 |
| kgiusti | +1 to the idea - willing to help out (assuming I get approved for travel) | 15:16 |
| bnemec | Okay, I'm kind of leaning that direction too. | 15:16 |
| bnemec | If nothing else it will be a good experiment. If nobody shows up then we know that it's either not useful or needs more publicity. | 15:16 |
| jungleboyj | bnemec: I would be happy to serve as a guide in content creation. What we have done for Cinder has been used as an example for other sessions. | 15:17 |
| bnemec | Unless we've done this before and I didn't even bother to show up. :-) | 15:17 |
| bnemec | jungleboyj: Cool, thanks. | 15:17 |
| jungleboyj | bnemec: :-) | 15:17 |
| bnemec | #action bnemec to schedule onboarding session at summit | 15:17 |
| jungleboyj | bnemec: Can help to get it publicized through Openstack Upstream Institute. | 15:17 |
| bnemec | I think they said they tend to do these right after the project update, which we're already doing anyway. | 15:17 |
| jungleboyj | Cool. | 15:17 |
| bnemec | So that should help. | 15:18 |
| bnemec | jungleboyj: Good to know. | 15:18 |
| jungleboyj | bnemec: That is new. They are trying to do that this time around to rope more people who are interested in. | 15:18 |
| bnemec | I found Oslo to be a good place to jump in upstream since it's a collection of (mostly) smaller projects. | 15:18 |
| bnemec | jungleboyj: Yeah, makes sense. | 15:18 |
| bnemec | Sounds like we're all in agreement. | 15:19 |
| bnemec | I'll sync with jungleboyj to come up with an agenda before then. | 15:19 |
| jungleboyj | Sounds good. | 15:19 |
| bnemec | #topic oslo.limit addition | 15:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "oslo.limit addition (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:20 | |
| bnemec | lbragstad: This is relevant to your interests. :-) | 15:20 |
| * lbragstad lingers | 15:20 | |
| bnemec | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-March/128006.html | 15:21 |
| lbragstad | bnemec: it certainly is | 15:21 |
| bnemec | There's a proposal to add a new Oslo library for quota management. | 15:21 |
| bnemec | I don't think this will be too controversial since it's something we've wanted for about 3 years, but I wasn't entirely clear where we are in the process. | 15:22 |
| bnemec | There's a policy for adding new libraries. | 15:22 |
| bnemec | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/oslo-specs/specs/policy/new-libraries.html | 15:22 |
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| bnemec | If that hasn't been done yet then we probably need to before proceeding. | 15:23 |
| lbragstad | i can look into that today | 15:23 |
| bnemec | lbragstad: I think your email covered at least some it already. | 15:24 |
| bnemec | #link https://github.com/openstack/oslo-specs/blob/master/specs/new-library-template.rst | 15:24 |
| bnemec | I saw harlowja mentioned the delimiter library that already exists. | 15:24 |
| lbragstad | yeah - i saw that | 15:24 |
| bnemec | I looked at it a bit this morning and I'm not sure it's a great fit for this, at least as I understand it. | 15:25 |
| bnemec | It was designed to be pluggable with different backends. I think oslo.limit is just targeting keystone? | 15:25 |
| lbragstad | i know at the PTG we were just going to start with something *super* simple as the base implementation for oslo.limits | 15:25 |
| lbragstad | correct | 15:25 |
| bnemec | +1 to start simple | 15:26 |
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| lbragstad | the minimum viable product from my perspective for oslo.limit is: | 15:26 |
| lbragstad | 1.) query keystone to determine the enforcement model being used | 15:26 |
| bnemec | So I'm not sure we need the complexity of delimiter, and it doesn't appear to have gotten all that far in the implementation either. | 15:26 |
| lbragstad | 2.) call an enforcement method with quota information from the service | 15:26 |
| lbragstad | and that's it, the pattern is very similar to oslo.policy - for better or worse, I'm not sure ;) | 15:28 |
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| bnemec | Seems reasonable to me. | 15:28 |
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| lbragstad | cool | 15:29 |
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| bnemec | So I guess the next step is to write up the proposal email and have this discussion on the list where everyone can weigh in. | 15:29 |
| lbragstad | ++ | 15:29 |
| lbragstad | i'll make a point to get that out today | 15:29 |
| bnemec | Maybe just add it as a reply to the existing thread since there's already been a good discussion there. | 15:30 |
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| lbragstad | and fill out the template? | 15:30 |
| bnemec | #action lbragstad to send proposal email for oslo.limit | 15:30 |
| bnemec | lbragstad: Yeah | 15:30 |
| lbragstad | awesome - that makes sense | 15:30 |
| bnemec | Like I said, I don't anticipate a lot of resistance, but since there is an existing library we should explain why we're not using it. | 15:31 |
| lbragstad | i agree | 15:31 |
| bnemec | And we did agree to this process not long ago so we should use it. :-) | 15:31 |
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| lbragstad | yep | 15:31 |
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| bnemec | Okay, cool. Sounds like we're on the same page and have a way forward. | 15:32 |
| bnemec | #topic PTG wrapup | 15:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG wrapup (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:32 | |
| bnemec | kgiusti: ansmith: There was a response to my email that the presentations still aren't accessible to (I assume) non-Red Hat folks. | 15:33 |
| bnemec | Do you know if you can make those public? | 15:33 |
| * dhellmann slinks in very late | 15:33 | |
| kgiusti | bnemec: hey - the new api doc should be public | 15:33 |
| * bnemec didn't realize they weren't already since he as access | 15:33 | |
| bnemec | *has | 15:33 |
| ansmith | i will check to make sure the deck on kafka driver is accessible | 15:34 |
| kgiusti | bnemec: the email didn't state which links were broken... | 15:34 |
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| bnemec | Yeah, I'm trying to remember which ones were a problem at the PTG. | 15:34 |
| bnemec | I know we projected the kafka update, so maybe that one? | 15:35 |
| ansmith | yup, I never went back to fix it, will do | 15:35 |
| bnemec | kgiusti: If we can confirm that kafka is accessible, then maybe we can follow up with Josh and see if there were any others. | 15:36 |
| bnemec | ansmith: Thanks | 15:36 |
| kgiusti | bnemec: I'll ping jharlow.... | 15:36 |
| kgiusti | bnemec: when he materializes. | 15:36 |
| bnemec | Yeah | 15:37 |
| bnemec | dhellmann: Was there anything specific you wanted to discuss about oslo.config changes to let an app detect whether a user has changed a config value? | 15:38 |
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| bnemec | Maybe we lost dhellmann again. | 15:41 |
| bnemec | #topic Open discussion | 15:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:42 | |
| bnemec | That's it for the agenda. Anything else to talk about? | 15:42 |
| * dhellmann returns | 15:43 | |
| dhellmann | I just need reviews on those patches | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | I'd like to get them into a release soon | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: did you have questions about the release process? | 15:43 |
| bnemec | Okay, my speculation was correct then. | 15:43 |
| bnemec | dhellmann: Just generally what we've been doing in Oslo. I think at one point we were doing weekly releases? | 15:44 |
| dhellmann | I'm traveling this week but will try to respond to review questions | 15:44 |
| dhellmann | yeah, we've been doing them weekly as long as there's something "real" in the release | 15:44 |
| dhellmann | so not just for requirements updates | 15:44 |
| dhellmann | or CI config changes | 15:44 |
| bnemec | Yeah | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | there are some tools in the releases repo for listing out all of the unreleased changes in repos owned by a given team | 15:45 |
| bnemec | I think there was a tool to list all of the changes since last release in the Oslo projects? | 15:45 |
| bnemec | Heh, okay. | 15:45 |
| bnemec | I'll take a look at that. | 15:45 |
| bnemec | We should be good to get the release train running again since Queens is out the door. | 15:46 |
| dhellmann | ./tools/list_unreleased_changes.sh $(.tox/venv/bin/list-deliverables --team oslo) | 15:46 |
| dhellmann | oops: ./tools/list_unreleased_changes.sh $(.tox/venv/bin/list-deliverables --team oslo -r) | 15:46 |
| bnemec | Thanks, will take a look. | 15:46 |
| dhellmann | let me know if you run into trouble | 15:47 |
| bnemec | Will do. I think I still remember the general release mechanism, but I may be out of date on any recent changes. | 15:47 |
| dhellmann | the readme should list the commands and I can walk you through it once | 15:49 |
| dhellmann | or twice | 15:49 |
| dhellmann | I think I'm still signed up as the release liaison, too, fwiw | 15:49 |
| bnemec | Okay, sounds good. | 15:50 |
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| bnemec | I will do some homework on that and follow up with any questions. | 15:50 |
| bnemec | Anything else before we end the meeting? | 15:51 |
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| dhellmann | bnemec : http://paste.openstack.org/show/698738 should have a list of the current unreleased stuff, for reference | 15:51 |
| bnemec | dhellmann: Cool, thanks | 15:52 |
| bnemec | Sounds like we're about done. | 15:53 |
| bnemec | Thanks for joining everyone. | 15:53 |
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| bnemec | #endmeeting | 15:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Common Libraries | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo" | 15:53 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 12 15:53:55 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2018/oslo.2018-03-12-15.00.html | 15:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2018/oslo.2018-03-12-15.00.txt | 15:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2018/oslo.2018-03-12-15.00.log.html | 15:54 |
| bnemec | dhellmann: Would be interested in hearing your thoughts on the onboarding session too: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2018/oslo.2018-03-12-15.00.log.html#l-47 | 15:55 |
| bnemec | I don't think we've done one in the past, but I'm hoping maybe it would help attract a few more contributors. | 15:55 |
| gcb | bnemec: have we finished the weekly meeting ? | 15:56 |
| bnemec | gcb: Yeah, just ended it. | 15:57 |
| dhellmann | bnemec : the more successful ones I've seen had people show up who were already interested in participating in the project. | 15:57 |
| gcb | I thought it just begin :( | 15:58 |
| gcb | bnemec: Do you have the script to find out what should be released ? I could share mine if you need | 15:59 |
| bnemec | gcb: Yeah, dhellmann sent me some information on that. | 15:59 |
| bnemec | I _think_ I started at the right time, based on the meetbot timestamps. :-) | 16:00 |
| gcb | I mean you can generate the information by simple script | 16:00 |
| gcb | I forgot the time :( | 16:00 |
| bnemec | gcb: I'm interested in whatever you were doing, so please feel free to send me anything you think might be useful. | 16:01 |
| bnemec | dhellmann: Yeah, I guess I was thinking we could try it this time and if no one shows up then we know not to do it again unless someone specifically wants it. | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | bnemec : sure, that makes sense | 16:04 |
| gcb | bnemec: check http://paste.openstack.org/show/698742/ | 16:04 |
| bnemec | gcb: Thanks | 16:05 |
| gcb | bnemec: np, you can aslo add some oslo review links by gerrit settings, it's useful to find out all open reviews for oslo | 16:07 |
| gcb | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo#Review_Links | 16:07 |
| bnemec | gcb: Yeah, I've actually got an old version of that bookmarked. I need to update it. :-) | 16:08 |
| gcb | yeah, maybe we need update https://github.com/openstack/oslo.tools/tree/master/dashboards when we have new lib and update the wiki | 16:10 |
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| gcb | bnemec: please post a patch like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/522740/ to update chair in http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Oslo_Team_Meeting | 16:15 |
| bnemec | gcb: Will do. | 16:16 |
| gcb | cool | 16:16 |
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| lbragstad | bnemec: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-March/128175.html | 16:47 |
| bnemec | lbragstad: Great, thanks! | 16:53 |
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| lbragstad | no problem! | 17:06 |
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