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| bnemec | #startmeeting oslo | 15:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 5 15:04:00 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bnemec. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 15:04 |
| bnemec | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, ansmith, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims | 15:04 |
| bnemec | courtesy ping for dougwig, e0ne, electrocucaracha, flaper87, garyk, gcb, haypo | 15:04 |
| bnemec | courtesy ping for hberaud, jd__, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lhx_ | 15:04 |
| bnemec | courtesy ping for moguimar, njohnston, raildo, redrobot, sileht, sreshetnyak, stephenfin | 15:04 |
| bnemec | courtesy ping for stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, zhiyan, zxy, zzzeek | 15:04 |
| bnemec | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting | 15:04 |
| moguimar | o/ | 15:04 |
| phuongnh | o/ | 15:04 |
| * stephenfin lurks | 15:04 | |
| hberaud | o/ | 15:04 |
| ansmith | o/ | 15:04 |
| ducnv_ | o/ | 15:04 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:05 |
| bnemec | I think this is the right time for the meeting. | 15:05 |
| bnemec | Stupid time changes. | 15:06 |
| bnemec | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:06 | |
| bnemec | We've had a number of reports of issues with SSL and rabbit in Pike. | 15:07 |
| kgiusti | :( | 15:07 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 15:08 |
| bnemec | Obviously that isn't affecting any development though or someone would have reported it before now. | 15:09 |
| kgiusti | I've not been able to reproduce the issue reported about ocata->pike locally | 15:09 |
| kgiusti | I'm not sure if zigo's problem is the same - need to reach out to him today | 15:10 |
| bnemec | kgiusti: Okay, sounds good (or not good ;-). Thanks for looking into this. | 15:10 |
| kgiusti | pike's been out for awhile now if this is a hard failure I would've expected to hear about this sooner. | 15:11 |
| kgiusti | Something is rotten in the state of Oslo (Messaging) | 15:11 |
| bnemec | kgiusti: Yeah, although you would be surprised how long it takes people to adopt new releases. | 15:12 |
| kgiusti | true that | 15:12 |
| bnemec | Having major bugs reported a year and a half after release isn't as uncommon as you might expect. | 15:12 |
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| dhellmann | this smells like an openssl (or other library) upgrade problem | 15:14 |
| bnemec | Could be. That would also explain why no one has reported it until now. | 15:15 |
| kgiusti | dhellmann: good point, I seem to recall a breaking change at some point in the openssl release history... | 15:15 |
| zigo | kgiusti: I'm here ! | 15:15 |
| kgiusti | Hi zigo! | 15:15 |
| kgiusti | Did you have any luck getting your SSL config working? | 15:15 |
| zigo | It's working, no problem. | 15:16 |
| zigo | Though my trouble was: no report at all that something was going wrong. | 15:16 |
| zigo | It took me a real long time to understand. | 15:16 |
| zigo | I would have very much prefer not to loose all of that time with something in my log... | 15:16 |
| zigo | In my case, there was absolutely nothing in heat-api and heat-engine saying it wouldn't connect to rabbit. | 15:16 |
| kgiusti | Yeah I'll work on a fix for that - SSL failures are a pain to debug (even with logs!) | 15:16 |
| zigo | I had to double-guess that it wouldn't connect and that it was the root cause. | 15:17 |
| kgiusti | zigo: what release are you using? We've had a report of problems with SSL going from ocata->pke | 15:18 |
| kgiusti | pike, that is | 15:18 |
| zigo | kgiusti: Queens, then more recently, Rocky. | 15:18 |
| zigo | Both had the problem. | 15:18 |
| kgiusti | zigo: thanks | 15:19 |
| zigo | My pleasure. | 15:19 |
| kgiusti | I suspect the ocata->pike failures may be different, since the same SSL config worked on ocata failed when upgrading to pike | 15:19 |
| kgiusti | I'lll continue to work on it | 15:20 |
| bnemec | kgiusti: I think I saw a patch on pike that moved some parameters around too, and I think it may have dropped some deprecated_names in the process. | 15:20 |
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| bnemec | Maybe people were still relying on the deprecated stuff and it broke when that went away? | 15:21 |
| bnemec | (assuming I read the patch correctly, which you shouldn't ;-) | 15:21 |
| bnemec | Anyway, we should probably revisit this after the meeting. | 15:21 |
| kgiusti | +1 | 15:22 |
| bnemec | #topic Releases | 15:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:22 | |
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| bnemec | Completely forgot to do these last week. :-( | 15:22 |
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| * bnemec blames a certain TLA for interrupting his weekly routine | 15:22 | |
| bnemec | I'll get that done today. | 15:23 |
| bnemec | I anticipate no releases next week since it will be Summit. | 15:23 |
| bnemec | #topic Action items from last meeting | 15:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:24 | |
| dhellmann | bnemec : I feel like we had a couple of things go in late last week that would be good to release | 15:24 |
| bnemec | dhellmann: Yeah, I'll propose releases today. | 15:25 |
| dhellmann | the oslo.config env stuff from cdent, and something that landed over the weekend as a fix that I can't quite put my finger on | 15:25 |
| dhellmann | ok, cool | 15:25 |
| bnemec | It just slipped my mind last week and by the time I remembered it was late enough in the week that I figured I'd just wait until this week. | 15:25 |
| bnemec | "bnemec send email about project update video" | 15:26 |
| bnemec | As it turns out, I didn't have to because we got a project update slot. | 15:26 |
| bnemec | \o/ | 15:26 |
| moguimar | did the oslo.config env stuff merged? | 15:26 |
| bnemec | moguimar: I believe so. | 15:26 |
| moguimar | yup | 15:27 |
| moguimar | merged | 15:27 |
| bnemec | I have some slides made up for the project update and I'll be sending those out today as well for people to review/make additions. | 15:28 |
| bnemec | "bnemec to investigate oslomotw" | 15:28 |
| bnemec | Still on my todo list, but not done. Probably going to have to wait until after Summit. | 15:29 |
| bnemec | "lbragstad to ping jaypipes about oslo.limit API" | 15:29 |
| bnemec | I saw some discussion around this, but I don't recall exactly where it stands. | 15:29 |
| bnemec | Will have to follow up on that later. | 15:32 |
| bnemec | #topic No meeting next week | 15:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "No meeting next week (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:32 | |
| bnemec | It's Summit, so I expect a lot of the people attending this will be travelling. | 15:33 |
| bnemec | #action bnemec to send meeting cancellation email to list | 15:33 |
| bnemec | #topic Oslo project update | 15:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Oslo project update (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:34 | |
| bnemec | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/berlin-2018/summit-schedule/events/22952/oslo-project-onboarding | 15:34 |
| bnemec | It's Thursday at 2:05. | 15:34 |
| bnemec | Hope to see everyone there. :-) | 15:35 |
| bnemec | #topic Weekly Wayward Review | 15:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Weekly Wayward Review (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:35 | |
| bnemec | Let's see what we need to look at this week... | 15:35 |
| bnemec | There's a hacking patch for those of you who are hacking cores: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/602464/ | 15:36 |
| bnemec | There's also a kafka messaging patch, but that might be too big to get through right now: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/603190/ | 15:37 |
| bnemec | If someone wanted to write unit tests for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/612376/ we could get that one in. | 15:39 |
| bnemec | Shouldn't be too difficult. There's only one branch in the function. | 15:40 |
| bnemec | So the fact that I'm struggling to find a patch we can resolve during the meeting is kind of a good thing. | 15:41 |
| bnemec | Almost everything in my top 15 list is related to large feature work that just takes time to review. | 15:42 |
| bnemec | Which I take to mean that we're doing a reasonably good job of keeping up with reviews overall. | 15:42 |
| moguimar | There is an oslo.policy patch by ozz: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/613313 | 15:42 |
| bnemec | moguimar: That's approved. :-) | 15:43 |
| moguimar | a few minutes ago =D | 15:43 |
| bnemec | Only 21 patches out of 116 are waiting on reviewer, so high fives all around. | 15:43 |
| bnemec | o/\o | 15:44 |
| * lbragstad wanders in late | 15:44 | |
| bnemec | So I guess my conclusion for this week is keep up the good review work. | 15:44 |
| bnemec | And we'll keep chipping away at the feature reviews. | 15:45 |
| bnemec | #topic Open discussion | 15:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:45 | |
| lbragstad | about the oslo.limit bits | 15:45 |
| lbragstad | we have discussion on the API in oslo.limit happening in a few different places | 15:45 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/596520/ | 15:45 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/615180/5/nova/compute/utils.py | 15:46 |
| lbragstad | and | 15:46 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/600266/6 | 15:46 |
| bnemec | Ah yes, the first one is where I had seen discussion this week. | 15:47 |
| lbragstad | kinda of a lot to keep a pulse on.. but johnthetubaguy is a little concerned about the initial complexity of the API | 15:48 |
| lbragstad | specifically with the context manager | 15:48 |
| lbragstad | which means it had the opposite effect we were shooting for :) | 15:48 |
| bnemec | Yeah, I'm a little surprised to hear that. | 15:49 |
| bnemec | The context manager was supposed to make it easier to interact with quota code. | 15:49 |
| lbragstad | but the feedback is good | 15:49 |
| lbragstad | right | 15:49 |
| bnemec | Yeah, as long as there is good discussion happening we're making progress. | 15:49 |
| lbragstad | ultimately supposed to hide the verify in the __exit__ of the context manager | 15:49 |
| lbragstad | but it sounds like john want's the verification to be optional - so i'm going to be tinkering with his review today to see if i can experience the pain first hand | 15:50 |
| lbragstad | hopefully, we'll have something more concrete by the EOW is that's alright | 15:50 |
| bnemec | I'm curious what quota is supposed to do if it's optional, but I'll try to go read those reviews and then maybe it will make sense. | 15:51 |
| lbragstad | the verification on __exit__ is mainly to protect against races conditions between clients | 15:52 |
| bnemec | lbragstad: Thanks for the update. | 15:52 |
| lbragstad | no problem | 15:52 |
| phuongnh | hi bnemec, dhellmann, as we discussed in Denver, we in Fujitsu would like the oslo config migrator feature have more attention. The time does not support us. Please help us. Thanks. | 15:53 |
| bnemec | phuongnh: Yeah, we're getting close. I'm struggling a bit to understand the last patch in the series right now. | 15:54 |
| bnemec | I suppose we could merge the rest of the code as-is, but I assume there would be a bug present if we did. | 15:54 |
| phuongnh | thanks, ducnv has updated source code and answer your comments. Please tell us if you have more question. | 15:54 |
| phuongnh | I know that :) | 15:55 |
| bnemec | This is the review I'm talking about, for those playing along at home: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/603060/ | 15:55 |
| phuongnh | yes, ducnv has updated on this patch | 15:56 |
| bnemec | So I'll try to take another look at that this week. | 15:56 |
| phuongnh | thank you a lot | 15:56 |
| ducnv_ | bnemec, thanks :)) | 15:56 |
| bnemec | Okay, we have about three minutes. Anything else? | 15:57 |
| phuongnh | and do you need our support in preparing slide for Oslo project update ? | 15:57 |
| phuongnh | about oslo config migrator feature? | 15:57 |
| bnemec | phuongnh: I have that in my slides already, but if you had information you specifically want included feel free to send it to me. | 15:59 |
| phuongnh | general information is ok for us | 16:00 |
| phuongnh | that is all for me, thanks | 16:00 |
| bnemec | Alright, we're out of time anyway. | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | phuongnh : will you or ducnv be able to make it to berlin next week for the summit? | 16:00 |
| bnemec | Thanks for joining everyone! | 16:00 |
| bnemec | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Common Libraries | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 5 16:00:40 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2018/oslo.2018-11-05-15.04.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2018/oslo.2018-11-05-15.04.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2018/oslo.2018-11-05-15.04.log.html | 16:00 |
| bnemec | (feel free to continue this discussion, of course) | 16:00 |
| phuongnh | dhellmann: we hope to go there but we cannot :) | 16:01 |
| phuongnh | thank bnemec :) | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | phuongnh : ok, that's no problem; we can continue to work together online | 16:01 |
| phuongnh | yes, I am glad to have met you in Denver, hope that I and ducnv have chance to see you again | 16:03 |
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| dhellmann | ++ | 16:07 |
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| mriedem | bnemec: i found out today that some projects are still calling i18n.enable_lazy() and it causes issues with the upgrade checkers, they hit something like this when building the output: http://paste.openstack.org/show/734156/ | 16:29 |
| mriedem | removing the call to enable_lazy() fixes it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/615594/ | 16:29 |
| mriedem | question is, can we just torch all of the lazy translation stuff in oslo.i18n so projects aren't trying to use it? | 16:30 |
| mriedem | dhellmann: ^ | 16:30 |
| mriedem | as far as i remember, ibm abandoned the lazy translation fad years ago | 16:30 |
| mriedem | edmondsw: ^ | 16:30 |
| mriedem | i'd suggest we (1) neuter the enable_lazy function to be a noop and deprecate it so anyone using it can remove their usage, (2) release that and then (3) eventually drop the enable_lazy function | 16:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Daniel Vincze proposed openstack/oslo.log master: Add Windows Event Log handler https://review.openstack.org/614558 | 16:47 |
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| therve | mriedem: I thought by importing "_" we needed lazy function | 16:53 |
| bnemec | mriedem: Hmm, I don't know that we can just noop that. Technically that would be a breaking change. | 16:53 |
| mriedem | https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.i18n/+bug/1801761 | 16:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1801761 in oslo.i18n "enable_lazy should be deprecated/removed" [Undecided,New] | 16:53 |
| bnemec | Can we just str that text before we pass it to prettytable to force translation of it? | 16:53 |
| mriedem | six.text_type rather than str | 16:54 |
| mriedem | but maybe | 16:54 |
| bnemec | Yeah | 16:54 |
| * bnemec was using str as lazy shorthand | 16:54 | |
| mriedem | either way that lazy translation stuff should be deprecated | 16:54 |
| bnemec | Yeah, I'm fine with that if no one objects. | 16:54 |
| mriedem | to move these upgrade check patches forward in other projects i'm just going to burn it out | 16:54 |
| mriedem | if you want to six.text_type-ify the check results before concatenating them that's fine with me | 16:55 |
| bnemec | Yeah, I'll verify that actually fixes the problem and push a patch if it does. | 16:56 |
| dhellmann | mriedem : the lazy stuff is for API responses; IBM was interested in log translation and we dropped that | 16:56 |
| mriedem | the locale negotiation in api responses isn't supported either as far as i know | 16:56 |
| dhellmann | I don't object to deprecating it, I just want to make sure we're not mixing it up with something else | 16:56 |
| mriedem | in that it was abandoned years ago | 16:56 |
| dhellmann | ok, well, then I guess we can drop all of that stuff | 16:57 |
| mriedem | ftr, ibm pushed both of these | 16:57 |
| dhellmann | I wonder if we even need oslo.i18n any more | 16:57 |
| dhellmann | ok, I the API thing was around before I got involved | 16:57 |
| dhellmann | *I think | 16:57 |
| bnemec | We probably need to have this discussion on the operators list just to make sure someone didn't start caring about it in the meantime. | 16:57 |
| bnemec | I worked on this and I barely remember what it does. :-) | 16:58 |
| bnemec | I do remember it giving me headaches a lot. | 16:58 |
| mriedem | bnemec: wouldn't it be awesome if your new ibm overlords made you care about this again lo these many years later? | 16:58 |
| mriedem | ha yeah | 16:58 |
| mriedem | i remember spending a weekend debugging why nova with lazy enabled would randomly brick our CI | 16:58 |
| mriedem | it was great | 16:59 |
| bnemec | mriedem: I'm not dismissing any possibilities. ;-) | 16:59 |
| bnemec | Yeah, I recall pushing patches to every project to disable lazy translation right before a release because it catastrophically broke something. | 16:59 |
| bnemec | Good times | 17:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.policy master: Add ability to pass in target data for the oslopolicy-checker https://review.openstack.org/613313 | 17:09 |
| dhellmann | bnemec : I think we have a few folks good at managing those repetitive patches across projects now, so if you want to do a deprecation we can muster the troops after the summit | 17:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Ben Nemec proposed openstack/oslo.upgradecheck master: Force translation of table header https://review.openstack.org/615610 | 17:15 |
| bnemec | mriedem: ^ fixes it for me in the sample main.py | 17:15 |
| bnemec | dhellmann: Yep, sounds good. | 17:15 |
| mriedem | bnemec: +2, thanks | 17:17 |
| mriedem | i'll send an email to the ops list | 17:40 |
| bnemec | mriedem: Thanks | 17:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ben Nemec proposed openstack/oslo.upgradecheck master: Force translation of table header https://review.openstack.org/615610 | 18:38 |
| bnemec | Now with pep8 compatibility! | 18:38 |
| bnemec | ttx: I'm thinking https://review.openstack.org/#/c/607951/ probably calls for a major release of rootwrap. | 18:46 |
| bnemec | It is technically incompatible if anyone was relying on the fd limit inheritance behavior. | 18:47 |
| bnemec | Any objections? | 18:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.upgradecheck master: Force translation of table header https://review.openstack.org/615610 | 19:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Lance Bragstad proposed openstack/oslo.limit master: WIP: Expose enforcement API outside of ctx manager https://review.openstack.org/615643 | 20:27 |
| cfriesen | bnemec: dhellmann: I respun the fair locks oslo.concurrency change. | 20:33 |
| bnemec | cfriesen: Thanks, will take a look. | 20:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/devstack-plugin-kafka master: Update to switch to confluent-kafka library for driver https://review.openstack.org/603134 | 20:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ken Giusti proposed openstack/oslo.messaging master: Use ensure_connection to prevent loss of connection error logs https://review.openstack.org/615649 | 21:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Gage Hugo proposed openstack/oslo.cache master: WIP - memcache encryption https://review.openstack.org/615663 | 21:31 |
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| cfriesen | bnemec: whoops on spelling mistake. should I fix it since it's got a +W? | 21:44 |
| bnemec | cfriesen: Nah, it's just a typo in a comment. | 21:45 |
| bnemec | Could push a followup, but I'm not even too concerned about doing that. | 21:45 |
| bnemec | I don't think anyone's going to misunderstand it because of one missing letter. | 21:45 |
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| cfriesen | works. someone can fix it when they touch the file next. :) thanks | 21:46 |
| bnemec | Yeah, it'll give someone a chance to bump their commit count somewhere down the line. :-) | 21:46 |
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| sorrison | kgiusti: Are you around? Can talk about https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.messaging/+bug/1800957 | 22:57 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1800957 in oslo.messaging "Upgrading to pike version causes rabbit timeouts with ssl" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Ken Giusti (kgiusti) | 22:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.concurrency master: Add support for fair locks https://review.openstack.org/473973 | 23:22 |
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