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| moguimar | bnemec, meeting? | 15:06 |
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| bnemec | #startmeeting oslo | 15:16 |
| bnemec | Courtesy ping for bnemec, jungleboyj, moguimar, hberaud, stephenfin, kgiusti, johnsom, e0ne, redrobot, bcafarel, smcginnis | 15:16 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 27 15:16:29 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bnemec. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:16 |
| bnemec | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting | 15:16 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:16 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 15:16 |
| bnemec | Sorry, distracted by a policy discussion in nova. :-( | 15:16 |
| johnsom | o/ | 15:16 |
| moguimar | o/ | 15:16 |
| bcafarel | :) | 15:16 |
| bcafarel | o/ | 15:16 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 15:16 |
| moguimar | no biggie | 15:16 |
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| smcginnis | o/ | 15:18 |
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| hberaud | o/ | 15:19 |
| * bnemec wishes we hadn't lost all of our Keystone policy people | 15:21 | |
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| bnemec | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 15:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:21 | |
| moguimar | nothing from Barbican | 15:21 |
| johnsom | Nothing to note from Octavia | 15:21 |
| jungleboyj | Nothing to note from Cinder. | 15:21 |
| moguimar | bnemec, lbragstad from my team is probably a strong Keystone policy guy | 15:22 |
| bnemec | Hopefully things are pretty quiet. I don't think we're released anything recently. | 15:22 |
| bnemec | moguimar: Yeah, but he's not on OpenStack as much as he used to be. | 15:23 |
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| moguimar | whenever needed I can poke him | 15:24 |
| bnemec | Anyway, no releases planned either so we'll skip that section. | 15:24 |
| bnemec | Yeah, I ping him when necessary, but it would have been better if we could have had a Keystone person driving this policy stuff. | 15:24 |
| bnemec | I feel like some things were done that probably were not intended when the policy code was written. | 15:24 |
| moguimar | is raildo around? | 15:25 |
| bnemec | #topic Action items from last meeting | 15:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:27 | |
| bnemec | "bnemec create etherpad for virtual ptg" | 15:27 |
| bnemec | Done. | 15:27 |
| bnemec | Will talk about that more in a bit. | 15:27 |
| bnemec | "bnemec to reply to diablo_rojo about contributor docs goal" | 15:27 |
| bnemec | Also done. | 15:27 |
| bnemec | #topic Virtual PTG | 15:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Virtual PTG (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:27 | |
| bnemec | Speaking of... | 15:27 |
| bnemec | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/oslo-victoria-topics | 15:28 |
| bnemec | I created the etherpad, and I see moguimar has added a couple of things. \o/ | 15:28 |
| bnemec | Since the PTG is virtual, I went ahead and requested a couple of hours for us to meet. | 15:28 |
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| bnemec | Same time as the previous virtual PTG we did, this hour and the next. | 15:28 |
| moguimar | nice | 15:29 |
| bnemec | I figure this hour everyone should be available, and if anyone needs to drop for the second hour we can just get their stuff in early. | 15:29 |
| moguimar | I'll ask redrobot to request a different slot for Barbican | 15:29 |
| moguimar | so I can attend both | 15:29 |
| bnemec | Cool | 15:29 |
| bnemec | That was another advantage of scheduling early, most slots were still available. :-) | 15:29 |
| bnemec | I put the details in the etherpad too. | 15:30 |
| moguimar | do you have the link for the schedule? | 15:30 |
| bnemec | If that doesn't work for anyone, please let me know ASAP. | 15:30 |
| bnemec | Yeah, I should have it. One second... | 15:30 |
| moguimar | found it | 15:30 |
| moguimar | #link https://ethercalc.openstack.org/126u8ek25noy | 15:30 |
| moguimar | I'll place it in the etherpad | 15:31 |
| bnemec | Yep, that^ :-) | 15:31 |
| bnemec | Thanks | 15:31 |
| moguimar | done | 15:31 |
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| bnemec | I hope nobody is offended that they didn't get to fill out another doodle poll for this. ;-) | 15:32 |
| moguimar | xD | 15:32 |
| bnemec | #topic contributor documentation goal | 15:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "contributor documentation goal (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:32 | |
| raildo | moguimar, now, I'm back | 15:33 |
| bnemec | I started on this last week. | 15:33 |
| bnemec | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/723044/ | 15:33 |
| bnemec | WIP because of the TODO in Contacting the Core Team. | 15:33 |
| bnemec | I'd like to keep that information on the wiki so cores can update it themselves without having to wait for review. | 15:33 |
| bnemec | Kind of similar to the ping list. | 15:34 |
| moguimar | raildo, I'll bring the topic in the open discussion | 15:34 |
| bnemec | I don't feel like you need core team signoff to update your timezone or whatever. :-) | 15:34 |
| bnemec | If there are no objections I'll go ahead and add that to the wiki somewhere and link it from the docs. | 15:35 |
| bnemec | Otherwise, I expect that doc is pretty complete. I pretty much did the bare minimum to fill out the template. | 15:35 |
| bnemec | If anybody wants to add more they should feel free to push followups. | 15:36 |
| bnemec | Once that goes in, we'll need to update contributing.rst in each repo to point to it. | 15:36 |
| moguimar | I can read it once you're done with that -1 | 15:36 |
| moguimar | I +1 it to get updates | 15:36 |
| bnemec | Great, thanks! | 15:37 |
| bnemec | (you can also use the add reviewer button to subscribe if you don't want to leave a vote) | 15:37 |
| moguimar | yeah, I was lazy this time | 15:38 |
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| bnemec | Here again, I'm going to take silence as agreement. If no one objects I'll do what I discussed above before next meeting. | 15:38 |
| bnemec | Then I'll probably action all of the cores to update their wiki entry. | 15:38 |
| bnemec | That's all I had for topics. | 15:39 |
| bnemec | #topic Open discussion | 15:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 15:39 | |
| bnemec | Still skipping weekly wayward review for feature freeze. | 15:39 |
| bnemec | Anything else? | 15:39 |
| hberaud | yep one thing | 15:40 |
| hberaud | related to https://review.opendev.org/#/c/723044/ | 15:40 |
| moguimar | raildo, we need more keystone policy people | 15:40 |
| raildo | moguimar, for some specific task or in general? | 15:40 |
| moguimar | raildo, I think bnemec can elaborate on that | 15:41 |
| hberaud | bnemec: if I correctly understood it the goal is to centralize how to contribute on oslo.*, I'm right? | 15:41 |
| bnemec | hberaud: Well, it's part of the community goal to better document how to contribute to each project. | 15:42 |
| hberaud | I ask because 10 days ago I submitted some related doc => https://review.opendev.org/#/c/720771/2/CONTRIBUTING.rst | 15:42 |
| bnemec | The idea is that it's very specific to Oslo/Nova/Cinder/etc. | 15:42 |
| hberaud | bnemec: and my goal was to spread similar changes on oslo.* project | 15:42 |
| hberaud | s/projects/ | 15:42 |
| bnemec | hberaud: Ah, nice! | 15:43 |
| bnemec | Full details of the goal are in https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/selected/ussuri/project-ptl-and-contrib-docs.html | 15:43 |
| bnemec | I think that fits in nicely with the goal. We might need to talk to diablo_rojo about exactly how to combine your work with the goal template. | 15:44 |
| bnemec | moguimar: raildo: We're just running into a lot of pain here at the end of the cycle because of the Nova policy migration to the new scope and role-aware policies. | 15:44 |
| hberaud | bnemec: ack, I think I'll be more committed on this topic during the next weeks to avoid tu duplicate things | 15:45 |
| hberaud | s/tu/to | 15:45 |
| bnemec | I feel like there's a lot of confusion about how it was supposed to work, and I think the problem is that the people who originally came up with the migration path are no longer as involved as they used to be. | 15:45 |
| raildo | bnemec, yeah, I'm replacing Collen in co-lead the popup team for the policy effort, I'm trying to catch up all the current work and next steps on that front | 15:46 |
| bnemec | hberaud: Cool, thanks | 15:46 |
| raildo | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/722101/ | 15:46 |
| bnemec | raildo: Nice, thanks for doing that! | 15:46 |
| raildo | bnemec, anything urgent on your point of view that I should be focus on? | 15:47 |
| bnemec | hberaud: I'll try to communicate stuff better on the mailing list so you can keep up to date. | 15:47 |
| bnemec | raildo: Nova :-) | 15:47 |
| hberaud | bnemec: thanks | 15:47 |
| bnemec | Specifically the discussion that has been going on for the past hour in their channel. | 15:47 |
| raildo | bnemec, haha cool, this is top of my list, I'll spoke with nova folks today about it | 15:48 |
| bnemec | Apparently people didn't even know that YAML could be used for policies. :-( | 15:48 |
| raildo | bnemec, damn... I'll try my best to help them | 15:48 |
| bnemec | I guess we didn't communicate that enough back when JSON was semi-deprecated...like 3 years ago. O.O | 15:48 |
| raildo | bnemec, we definitely did it, but you know.. ppl don't read deprecated/docs that much hehe | 15:49 |
| bnemec | Yeah | 15:49 |
| bnemec | Which is what concerns me about the move to suppress the warnings. It relies on people reading the release notes to know that things are changing. | 15:50 |
| raildo | bnemec, well.. I would be against removing those warning, at least until we have more projects addressing their default roles approach | 15:51 |
| raildo | maybe next cycle-ish? | 15:51 |
| * bnemec adds policy to the virtual PTG agenda :-) | 15:52 | |
| raildo | bnemec++ | 15:52 |
| bnemec | I think we're going to have to re-sync on this because the Nova migration has turned up a lot of issues. | 15:52 |
| bnemec | #action bnemec to add policy to PTG agenda | 15:53 |
| bnemec | I'll check with keystone too in case they're already planning to discuss it. | 15:53 |
| raildo | bnemec, definitely, do we want to have someone for nova here for next week? so we can keep tracking their progress on that side | 15:53 |
| bnemec | raildo: I'm not sure we want to even wait a week. The release is imminent and we need to decide how to handle all of this. | 15:54 |
| bnemec | I'm not sure where the Nova discussion ended up. I kind of lost track once I moved over here. | 15:55 |
| raildo | bnemec, I mean, I'll be working with them on this mean time, but I don't a lot of details in what is remaining to give a call in they can make the release date or not | 15:55 |
| bnemec | Yeah, I don't know for sure. I thought we had mostly resolved this, but then the new issues came up today. | 15:56 |
| raildo | bnemec, I saw that lbragtad (from Keystone side as well) was talking with the nova folks earlier today, I'll sync with him as well | 15:57 |
| bnemec | raildo: Sounds good, thanks. | 15:58 |
| bnemec | We're just about out of time (and I have another meeting) and I think we've got a plan for everything, at least. | 15:59 |
| bnemec | Anything else in the last 30 seconds? | 15:59 |
| moguimar | yep | 15:59 |
| moguimar | when can we start merging things in oslo.cache? | 15:59 |
| moguimar | specially for the pymemcache_pool backend | 16:00 |
| bnemec | I would prefer to wait until after Ussuri ships. | 16:00 |
| moguimar | ack | 16:00 |
| bnemec | However, if it's a completely separate thing that wouldn't affect backports it's probably fine to do it now. | 16:00 |
| moguimar | I'll leave that decision to hberaud | 16:00 |
| bnemec | The main thing right now is just to make sure we don't cause ourselves pain if there's a last-second bugfix needed. | 16:01 |
| moguimar | ok | 16:01 |
| bnemec | Okay, I'm late for a 1-1 with my manager so I need to go. | 16:01 |
| bnemec | Thanks for joining everyone! | 16:01 |
| bnemec | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
| moguimar | cya | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Common Libraries | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 27 16:01:50 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2020/oslo.2020-04-27-15.16.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2020/oslo.2020-04-27-15.16.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2020/oslo.2020-04-27-15.16.log.html | 16:01 |
| hberaud | bnemec, moguimar: I think we could wait for a bit | 16:02 |
| moguimar | ok | 16:02 |
| raildo | have a good one folks! | 16:02 |
| hberaud | bnemec, moguimar: let's release ussuri things first | 16:03 |
| bnemec | It's only another two weeks until Ussuri ships. | 16:03 |
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