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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/performance-docs: Add tools section https://review.openstack.org/261279 | 09:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dina Belova proposed openstack/performance-docs: Add test plan template https://review.openstack.org/265896 | 16:00 |
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| harlowja | hello | 20:06 |
| SpamapS | klindgren: here ? | 20:06 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:06 |
| SpamapS | harlowja: k | 20:06 |
| harlowja | sup | 20:06 |
| SpamapS | We're pushing some testing to find limits given our config | 20:06 |
| harlowja | cools | 20:07 |
| harlowja | whats the config :-P | 20:07 |
| SpamapS | Choose networking wisely.. is that because you see control plane network overwhelmed quickly, or dataplane? | 20:07 |
| klindgren | I here | 20:07 |
| harlowja | SpamapS just from what i've heard, SDN not work out so well | 20:07 |
| SpamapS | klindgren: can you share how many hypervisors you've put in a single region in your cloud(s)? | 20:07 |
| klindgren | we use cells are are running ~300/cell | 20:07 |
| harlowja | SpamapS i can locate some folks to talk about the networking, since i'm def not it, lol | 20:08 |
| harlowja | but i know we keep it damn simple | 20:08 |
| harlowja | for betteer/worse | 20:08 |
| SpamapS | harlowja: yeah, we unfortunately, do not have an option there, but we're ditching floating ips, and looking at OVN for the few routers we do need. | 20:08 |
| harlowja | right | 20:08 |
| harlowja | do not have an option being, must use SDN? | 20:08 |
| SpamapS | klindgren: did you have to give up any features for cells vs1? | 20:08 |
| SpamapS | cells v1 I mean | 20:08 |
| SpamapS | harlowja: yes, we don't have a hardware isolation option. | 20:09 |
| klindgren | SpamapS, yes - ish | 20:09 |
| harlowja | right then | 20:09 |
| SpamapS | klindgren: the one we can't live without is security groups. | 20:09 |
| klindgren | we have a bunch of patches - mostly coming from nectar that we have made to get functionality back | 20:09 |
| klindgren | fairly comprehensive list: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PAO-LDT-cells-patches | 20:10 |
| SpamapS | ah so local fork that isn't upstreamable (or hasn't been tried) ? | 20:10 |
| klindgren | upstream is bascailly like... fuck cells v1 | 20:10 |
| klindgren | amd no gating tests has even been done on cells v1. | 20:10 |
| klindgren | I mean ^^ isn't 100% acurate. | 20:10 |
| harlowja | SpamapS https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/videos/presentation/how-yahoo-uses-neutron-for-ironic i think that might be useful for u, i can find penick and u can talk to him more if u want | 20:11 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:11 |
| klindgren | mriedem, added tests to get some cells gating stuff in - so that we could add some patches | 20:11 |
| SpamapS | klindgren: no we're like fuck cells v1 too.. for same reasons. | 20:11 |
| SpamapS | we use what is in OpenStack | 20:12 |
| klindgren | trying to get better code coverage, but then that got - from my point of view - derailed as the rest of the nova people dont want to do anything with cells v1 and work on moving to v2 and getting tht out the door | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | a team is pushing on v2 now | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | but we have some short term goals that make us need a single region to be more like 2000 hypervisors. | 20:12 |
| klindgren | so we don't yet have that many hv's in a single region | 20:13 |
| SpamapS | Also frankly I'd rather have no cells at all. | 20:13 |
| harlowja | SpamapS where are u starting to hit stuff btw? | 20:13 |
| harlowja | (if u know yet) | 20:13 |
| SpamapS | harlowja: we're not | 20:13 |
| harlowja | k | 20:13 |
| SpamapS | harlowja: we're just now spinning up some fake scale testing to find that | 20:13 |
| harlowja | kk | 20:13 |
| SpamapS | It's been WAY harder than it should have been. | 20:13 |
| klindgren | largest is pushing closer to 500 - with a few hundred scheduled to go into that region this month | 20:13 |
| SpamapS | we have heard that the number of queues in rabbit is the first 'splosion | 20:14 |
| SpamapS | it starts to use ungodly amounts of RAM and respond very very slowly | 20:14 |
| klindgren | and eats cores like a mofo | 20:14 |
| SpamapS | and then the next one is database pressure. | 20:14 |
| klindgren | for us conductor also cores like a mofo | 20:14 |
| SpamapS | Yeah | 20:14 |
| harlowja | like a mofo | 20:15 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:15 |
| * harlowja gotta use that more | 20:15 | |
| SpamapS | We figure rabbit is the first pain point, so we're going to play with the new zmq | 20:15 |
| SpamapS | actually | 20:15 |
| SpamapS | if things can use cores, we have cores | 20:15 |
| SpamapS | we can seriously use up cores like crazy, that's fine. | 20:15 |
| harlowja | playing adventerious with zmq i see :-P | 20:15 |
| klindgren | honestly the thing that is discouraging to me is the fact that you have to do all this work jsut to run ~2k hv's | 20:17 |
| klindgren | seems like that "highly scaleable" part needs some major revampings | 20:18 |
| harlowja | u just gotta be less high | 20:18 |
| harlowja | (for a person from colorado) | 20:18 |
| harlowja | klindgren so many reasons to explain that, what to do about that ... | 20:20 |
| klindgren | just from a perspective as someone who is trying to use/scale openstack to replace a homegrown VPS privisoning system where you needed closer to 20 control plane boxes (all in) to manage over over 5k hv's and close to 100k vps's | 20:20 |
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| klindgren | and that shit was partially wrote in php too. | 20:20 |
| klindgren | and been in production for ~5 years | 20:21 |
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| harlowja | soooo | 20:22 |
| harlowja | ya, lol | 20:23 |
| klindgren | anyway we dont yet have a single region running 2k hv's | 20:23 |
| klindgren | and we dont have a cell larger than 300hv's | 20:23 |
| harlowja | ya , i mean i can think about what to do about the whole scale problem, its just many facets, of many things | 20:24 |
| harlowja | can brainstorm of a future where its different, just unsure how to get there :-P | 20:24 |
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| harlowja | imho a bigger shift would be to just stop using the message queue + db as a task-queue-like-thing | 20:27 |
| harlowja | *big shift that would likely help scale | 20:27 |
| harlowja | message queue + db + rpc + (what are u), lol | 20:31 |
| harlowja | but what can u do, it'd require an *unknown* investment to basically remake certain projects (vs evolve them) | 20:32 |
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| harlowja | klindgren u and your python powers will save us all | 20:42 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:42 |
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