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| msimonin | re | 15:19 |
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| DinaBelova | #startmeeting Performance Team | 15:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 22 15:30:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is DinaBelova. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:30 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'performance_team' | 15:30 |
| DinaBelova | ok, let's see who's around :) | 15:30 |
| DinaBelova | msimonin ad_rien_ rcherrueau o/ | 15:30 |
| msimonin | o/ | 15:30 |
| DinaBelova | sai are you around? | 15:30 |
| rcherrueau | o/ | 15:31 |
| ad_rien_ | o/ (but in no so proactive mode sorry, few pendings todos on my side) | 15:31 |
| DinaBelova | ack, got it | 15:31 |
| DinaBelova | so let's get started I guess | 15:32 |
| DinaBelova | let's got through action items first | 15:32 |
| DinaBelova | and I think people may join in progress | 15:32 |
| DinaBelova | #topic Action Items | 15:32 |
| DinaBelova | one of the items was on me regarding the nova cells V2 status | 15:33 |
| DinaBelova | msimonin rcherrueau ad_rien_ I've posted that info recently, but only msimonin was online :) | 15:33 |
| DinaBelova | so lemme repaste it :) | 15:33 |
| rook | o/ | 15:34 |
| DinaBelova | #info Andrew Laski is not working anymore at Mirantis -> most probably he won't take part in OpenStack dev -> Dan Smith and Melanie Witt at Red Hat are picking up the remaining cellsv2 tasks | 15:34 |
| DinaBelova | rook o/ | 15:34 |
| DinaBelova | msimonin ad_rien_ rcherrueau so you guys need to ping those two ^^ about what's going on right now in the Nova Cells V2 | 15:35 |
| msimonin | thanks DinaBelova | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:35 |
| DinaBelova | okay, so let's proceed with action items | 15:35 |
| DinaBelova | one more was on ad_rien_ - regarding adding info about the nfv group info to the summit recaps section of performance docs | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | Sorry I missed it | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | (too many todos) | 15:36 |
| DinaBelova | I guess it was a big load on you | 15:36 |
| DinaBelova | yeah | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | I will do it by tomorrow evening | 15:37 |
| DinaBelova | lemme keep this action item | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | you can count on me | 15:37 |
| DinaBelova | thanks | 15:37 |
| DinaBelova | #action ad_rien_ add info about the nfv group info to the summit recaps section of performance docs | 15:37 |
| DinaBelova | thanks again :) | 15:37 |
| DinaBelova | and the last action item was on sai | 15:37 |
| DinaBelova | as he did not answer yet and he seems to be in silent mode right now, lemme keep his action item as well | 15:38 |
| DinaBelova | sai find out when information about telemetry researched Red Hat has done can be published to performance docs | 15:38 |
| DinaBelova | #action sai find out when information about telemetry researched Red Hat has done can be published to performance docs | 15:38 |
| DinaBelova | so we are done with action items! | 15:38 |
| DinaBelova | and may jump to the next section | 15:38 |
| rook | DinaBelova: he is in a way different timezone | 15:38 |
| DinaBelova | #topic Current progress on the planned tests | 15:38 |
| rook | DinaBelova: akrzos can speak to that | 15:38 |
| DinaBelova | rook yay | 15:38 |
| DinaBelova | thanks for letting me know | 15:39 |
| rook | akrzos re: Telemetry work you have done | 15:39 |
| DinaBelova | akrzos the thing is that OpenStack operators were really excited to hear that you folks have done telemetry researches on the summit | 15:39 |
| DinaBelova | and LDT kindly asked to publish this info to the performance-docs | 15:40 |
| DinaBelova | when I checked that with sai he told he need to check if and when this can be done | 15:40 |
| akrzos | DinaBelova: gotcha, yeah I need to revisit it with a ceph backend | 15:40 |
| DinaBelova | akrzos ok, so any understanding of when you're going to finish those experiments? and to publish the results of course! folks were really excited - telemetry is on of the pain points for a while :) | 15:41 |
| akrzos | i have looked at it with file and swift backends but with not great disks so i'd say the results are less than exciting wrt to Gnocchi vs database | 15:41 |
| DinaBelova | akrzos ack, got that | 15:42 |
| DinaBelova | #info akrzos looked at Gnocchi with file and swift backends but with not great disks so i'd say the results are less than exciting wrt to Gnocchi vs database, need to revist with Ceph backend | 15:42 |
| akrzos | also here is a link to my initial strobe of it https://browbeatproject.org/2016/09/12/performance-testing-openstack-telemetry-ceilometer-and-gnocchi/ | 15:42 |
| DinaBelova | #link https://browbeatproject.org/2016/09/12/performance-testing-openstack-telemetry-ceilometer-and-gnocchi/ | 15:43 |
| DinaBelova | ok, so the next steps are: good HW, Ceph backend, retest | 15:43 |
| DinaBelova | akrzos so again - any plans to publish that to performance-docs? | 15:43 |
| akrzos | DinaBelova: I can start with the test plan | 15:44 |
| DinaBelova | akrzos sure | 15:44 |
| DinaBelova | this will be a good start | 15:44 |
| DinaBelova | ok, so lemme create an action item | 15:44 |
| akrzos | and then post what results we currently have and build on it when more hardware better disks are available for me again | 15:45 |
| DinaBelova | if you won't be able to finish it till next week, it's ok, let's just have that pinned | 15:45 |
| akrzos | so let me take that action on the test plan for now | 15:45 |
| DinaBelova | #action akrzos publish OpenStack telemetry teat plan to performance-docs | 15:45 |
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| DinaBelova | ok, cool | 15:45 |
| DinaBelova | thanks akrzos | 15:45 |
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| DinaBelova | msimonin any news about most recent experiments at Inria? | 15:46 |
| DinaBelova | or ad_rien_ or rcherrueau :) | 15:46 |
| msimonin | Actually we are writing a paper about our evaluation framework | 15:47 |
| msimonin | #link https://github.com/BeyondTheClouds/enos | 15:47 |
| DinaBelova | good thing to be done! and to be shared once finished :) | 15:47 |
| DinaBelova | ack | 15:47 |
| msimonin | we are also performing energy evaluation of openstack services | 15:47 |
| msimonin | (no link to that yet I think) | 15:48 |
| DinaBelova | #info energy evaluation of openstack services by Inria in progress | 15:48 |
| msimonin | We are adapting the tool to support multi site deployment | 15:48 |
| msimonin | DinaBelova: sure we'll share it | 15:48 |
| msimonin | deadline is next week for the paper :s | 15:48 |
| DinaBelova | msimonin yeah, any plans on what Grid'5000 locations will be first tested in multi-site deployment? | 15:48 |
| DinaBelova | just curious | 15:49 |
| DinaBelova | msimonin ahaha, good luck with paper work :) | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | What do you mean DinaBelova? | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | Can you elaborate ? | 15:49 |
| msimonin | :) | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | Thanls | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | Our idea is to define with the help of the NFV working group | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | a minimalist openstack deployment | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | that can federate resources spread across different locations | 15:50 |
| ad_rien_ | and then performs the same experiments we made in order to understand | 15:50 |
| ad_rien_ | major bottlenecks/performance limitations | 15:50 |
| DinaBelova | well, Grid'5000 contains lots of servers in multiple cities - so I was just curious - last time for 1000 nodes experiment you used only one location of servers, this time you want to have multi-site deployment - so I was just curious what servers locations are affected | 15:50 |
| ad_rien_ | G5K is already a distributed infrastructure. So we have two possibilities: either deploy the control plane on one site and the other (i.e. compute nodes) on other sites. | 15:51 |
| ad_rien_ | yes | 15:51 |
| ad_rien_ | but since we want to ensure reproducibility | 15:51 |
| DinaBelova | anyway, forgot what I was asking about :) I seem to confuse you | 15:51 |
| DinaBelova | don't worry :) | 15:51 |
| ad_rien_ | we usually prefer to have the experiment in one site (and emulate the locations) | 15:51 |
| DinaBelova | ok, so you're extending your experience | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | This way enables to control everything and collect relevant results (i.e. that do not have noise coming from another experiment) | 15:52 |
| DinaBelova | indeed | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | the issue right now is that none knows what can be the minimalist deployment | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | we are exchanging with the NFV folks and colleagues from Orange Labs, BT,... | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | it is unclear what can be the right deployment scenario. | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | so the idea is probably to identify two or three and make comparisons between them | 15:54 |
| ad_rien_ | by using performance and functional metrics | 15:54 |
| ad_rien_ | (I hope I've been clear enough) | 15:54 |
| DinaBelova | yeah, thank you! | 15:54 |
| DinaBelova | and sorry again for confusion | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | the only thing that looks quite sure is that more and more operators would like to supervise several DCs in an unified manner (i.e. with a single openstack system) | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | no problem | 15:55 |
| DinaBelova | ok, so let's proceed | 15:55 |
| DinaBelova | on Mirantis side we're almost done with our advanced monitoring :) hope to publish this info to our perf docs soon :) we have crazy combination of Prometheus, Telefraf and CollectD to collect all info about system, k8s and OpenStack on top of it | 15:56 |
| DinaBelova | we're going to use that approach during our k8s and OpenStack testing soon | 15:57 |
| DinaBelova | we'll start with k8s most probably | 15:57 |
| DinaBelova | with k8s density and kubelet capacity testing | 15:57 |
| DinaBelova | test plans should appear on review soon | 15:58 |
| DinaBelova | and that's all for now from our side | 15:58 |
| DinaBelova | anything else to cover in this topic? | 15:58 |
| msimonin | one question | 15:58 |
| DinaBelova | sure | 15:58 |
| msimonin | Your deployment method here : will it be part of fuel ? | 15:59 |
| DinaBelova | deployment of OpenStack == fuel-ccp | 15:59 |
| DinaBelova | and we have to install k8s separately - right now using Kargo tool | 15:59 |
| DinaBelova | all steps are automated in our Scale team Jenkins | 16:00 |
| msimonin | ok I see, thanks | 16:00 |
| DinaBelova | that manages all the steps - e.g. "provision nodes (usually via cobbler)", "install k8s", "run fuel-ccp", "run tests" | 16:00 |
| DinaBelova | we found that approach convenient for us | 16:01 |
| DinaBelova | but for OpenStack yes - we're using fuel-ccp | 16:01 |
| msimonin | Is the monitoring stack included in the tool (sorry for my ignorance) | 16:01 |
| msimonin | ? | 16:01 |
| DinaBelova | right now in progress of integration | 16:01 |
| DinaBelova | we were playing with different methodologies mostly manually | 16:01 |
| DinaBelova | right now - when even all Grafana boards are almost finished - we'll proceed with automation | 16:02 |
| DinaBelova | of the monitoring installation and usage | 16:02 |
| DinaBelova | I hope that answers your question :) | 16:02 |
| msimonin | do you intend to publish the grafana dashboards ? | 16:02 |
| msimonin | :) | 16:02 |
| DinaBelova | we have that wish, we'll check if Intel folks (who're on other side of our co-dev activity) will agree | 16:03 |
| DinaBelova | but they are usually very happy with upstreaming things | 16:03 |
| msimonin | cool :) | 16:03 |
| DinaBelova | #action DinaBelova find out if and when we're going to publish our Grafana dashboards | 16:03 |
| DinaBelova | yeah ;) | 16:04 |
| DinaBelova | okay, anything else in "test plans and results" section? | 16:04 |
| DinaBelova | it looks like nope :) | 16:05 |
| DinaBelova | #topic PTG in Atlanta | 16:05 |
| DinaBelova | okay :D summit has just passed | 16:05 |
| DinaBelova | and we need to think already about next one :D | 16:05 |
| DinaBelova | as all you know starting after Barcelona summit design summit (PGT, project team gathering) ir separated from main summit event | 16:05 |
| ad_rien_ | DinaBelova: can you please explain what our WG can achieve in this PTG meeting. | 16:05 |
| ad_rien_ | Still not clear from my side. | 16:06 |
| DinaBelova | ad_rien_ the idea is to discuss if we need that :) | 16:06 |
| DinaBelova | Rally team is going to have separated room on the summit | 16:06 |
| ad_rien_ | ok but I mean. From my understanding the meeting is mainly for core-devs ? | 16:06 |
| ad_rien_ | But our meeting, what non developers can do ? | 16:07 |
| DinaBelova | ad_rien_ the thing is that if something needs to be improved in the projects - e.g. their performance and scalability - it's a good idea to have this planned for the next cycle.. | 16:07 |
| ad_rien_ | We can come but it should be relevant (i.e. not only for our meeting…. a bit expensive to bring 4/5 persons in one place if it is for one day working session). | 16:07 |
| DinaBelova | so right now andreykurilin asked ttx to name the room "performance team and tools" | 16:08 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 16:08 |
| DinaBelova | so basically what I was thinking about is tools development | 16:08 |
| ad_rien_ | this has sense | 16:08 |
| DinaBelova | we have rally, osprofiler, browbeat | 16:08 |
| DinaBelova | and we're in fact developing them ourselves :) | 16:08 |
| msimonin | :) | 16:09 |
| DinaBelova | so something I was thinking about is to have some discussions about how things might be improved | 16:09 |
| DinaBelova | we all are Rally users and there is plenty of things that need to be done there | 16:09 |
| DinaBelova | can we help rally team somehow here? can we leave feedback? | 16:10 |
| DinaBelova | do we have any wishes on what needs to be done there? | 16:10 |
| DinaBelova | and so on | 16:10 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 16:10 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks for the clarification | 16:10 |
| msimonin | The same for shaker ? We are actually using it aswell | 16:10 |
| DinaBelova | yes and shaker! | 16:10 |
| DinaBelova | I forget about all of them :) | 16:10 |
| DinaBelova | os-faults for destructive testing as well. | 16:11 |
| msimonin | sure they are plenty of them | 16:11 |
| DinaBelova | so bunch of tools | 16:11 |
| DinaBelova | and it looks like this PGT is a good place to work on their progress | 16:11 |
| DinaBelova | or even have kinda workshops | 16:11 |
| DinaBelova | with ideas -> development -> reviews being done in plane | 16:11 |
| DinaBelova | so what am I suggesting here | 16:11 |
| DinaBelova | let's have 1 week for ideas gathering | 16:12 |
| DinaBelova | and share them next time | 16:12 |
| DinaBelova | on what can be discussed and how | 16:12 |
| DinaBelova | akrzos ^^ fiy | 16:12 |
| ad_rien_ | DinaBelova: can you please remind the dates ? | 16:13 |
| DinaBelova | #info let's think if PGT will be useful for our group and if we can use this time for tools roadmaps discussions | 16:13 |
| DinaBelova | sure | 16:13 |
| DinaBelova | #info The first Project Teams Gathering (PTG) will be held in Atlanta, Feb 20-24, 2017. | 16:13 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 16:13 |
| DinaBelova | so... I'm not insisting that we really need to have that... but let's think about if we will benefit from that | 16:14 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 16:14 |
| ad_rien_ | the idea is also to attend the summit | 16:14 |
| ad_rien_ | (i.e. one face-to-face meeting in Atlanta and one in Boston)? | 16:14 |
| DinaBelova | yeah, main summit is still an EVENT :) my company likes PGT more than summit mostly because PGT locations should be usually cheaper | 16:15 |
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| DinaBelova | but ideally - yes | 16:15 |
| DinaBelova | two face-to-face meetings should be a good idea | 16:16 |
| DinaBelova | as usually it's all question of money to be spent | 16:16 |
| DinaBelova | so that's floating and vague - and that's ok | 16:17 |
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| DinaBelova | so again - please think if and how we can benefit from PGT | 16:17 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 16:17 |
| msimonin | ack DinaBelova | 16:18 |
| DinaBelova | that's all from my side for this topic | 16:18 |
| DinaBelova | so I think we can jump to open discussions | 16:18 |
| DinaBelova | #topic Open Discussion | 16:18 |
| DinaBelova | anything else to cover folks? | 16:18 |
| DinaBelova | questions / ideas / notes? | 16:18 |
| msimonin | not from our side I guess | 16:19 |
| DinaBelova | ack, cool | 16:19 |
| DinaBelova | it looks like we're done for today | 16:19 |
| DinaBelova | thanks everyone! | 16:19 |
| msimonin | thanks | 16:19 |
| DinaBelova | #endmeeting | 16:19 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 22 16:19:38 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:19 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/performance_team/2016/performance_team.2016-11-22-15.30.html | 16:19 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/performance_team/2016/performance_team.2016-11-22-15.30.txt | 16:19 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/performance_team/2016/performance_team.2016-11-22-15.30.log.html | 16:19 |
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