| cdent | still not totally 100%, but haven't felt this "hey, it's fun to fix code" in a long time | 00:00 |
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| cdent | efried, mriedem: i'm having a discussion with management tomorrow in which I need to convince them that me working on getting shared disk working in nova is good for everyone. I've already pointed out how it's going to make vmware datastores better via https://github.com/cdent/placement-disk-models . Either of you have anything else to add? | 00:03 |
| cdent | Other than "well, somebody has to do it"? | 00:03 |
| efried | cdent: I no longer have the push from PowerVM to make SSP pretty, but maybe edmondsw does. | 00:05 |
| cdent | that might actually be a reasonable argument "well eric was getting pushed on that, but not anymore" | 00:05 |
| efried | after misinterpreting that ^ a couple of times, I finally get what you mean. | 00:12 |
| efried | But I would still be interested in helping out on it. | 00:12 |
| efried | I have lots of background and some pieces I want to see done a certain way (so they don't exclude "boutique" drivers like PowerVM). | 00:12 |
| cdent | Sure, I'm thinking of it solely as a way of expressing need | 00:12 |
| efried | okay, I'm getting in trouble for having my hands on a keyboard instead of a wood chisel. See y'all tomorrow. | 00:13 |
| efried | o/ | 00:13 |
| cdent | so many companies like to pretend like some magical open source bunny will do the work | 00:13 |
| cdent | see ya | 00:13 |
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| mriedem | i've got nothing | 00:27 |
| edleafe | cdent: Put that on your business card: "Magical Open Source Bunny" | 00:27 |
| cdent | I have business cards? | 00:27 |
| melwitt | people have needed shared storage working in nova for years. but it not working is so latent (as long as nova has existed) and other things keep getting prioritized higher than it | 00:29 |
| melwitt | I don't think that helps you really, but that's the situation | 00:30 |
| cdent | melwitt: yeah. I'm not clear on how best to phrase that "the has been so important for so long, but not quite important enough to burst the damn" | 00:30 |
| cdent | s/the has/this has/ | 00:30 |
| melwitt | I think it's because it's the accounting that's wrong and it can be worked around, for the most part | 00:31 |
| melwitt | it's like, this sucks but we want other stuff more, that can't be worked around | 00:31 |
| cdent | the advent of placement has dorked some of the ways that vmware's driver was doing workarounds | 00:31 |
| cdent | so I'm hoping that will be at least somewhat compelling, but who knows | 00:32 |
| melwitt | yeah. I mean, it's particularly interesting because for example, my company, we ship with shared storage, ceph. so having shared disk accounting work properly is important, | 00:33 |
| melwitt | but each cycle there's always something else. like, we need numa live migration more. or we need sriov live migration more. and it just keeps happening | 00:33 |
| cdent | I remember eoghan getting cranky with me about 6 months into placement's life: what have you guys go to show for youselves? Is shared disk working? | 00:33 |
| cdent | (not properly cranky, just the usual "sigh, openstack" cranky) | 00:34 |
| melwitt | yeah, it's tough. fundamentally changing how we do resource handling is a ton of work and at first not going to see those kind of benefits in the early stages | 00:37 |
| cdent | each day, in every way... | 00:38 |
| cdent | gabbi-based integration tests are passing now, so I'm gonna bed | 00:39 |
| cdent | goodnight all | 00:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/placement master: Update the doc in _get_provider_ids_matching() https://review.openstack.org/638611 | 00:45 |
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| melwitt | has anyone seen an error like this before from placement? 500 Circular reference detected coming from the /usages API http://logs.openstack.org/73/638073/7/check/grenade-py3/5a86c65/logs/screen-placement-api.txt.gz#_Feb_26_02_38_18_426447 | 06:22 |
| melwitt | (my patch adds calls to the /usages API ^) | 06:23 |
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| edmondsw | cdent sorry, I'm going to pretty much echo what others have said... shared disk is important, it's been important a long time, but it's never been quite important enough to prioritize over other things and make it happen. | 12:45 |
| edmondsw | and now I'm not really working on OpenStack anymore :( just keeping an eye on things and trying to help my old team as I can, so I'm not going to be a driving force | 12:47 |
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| cdent | gibi: if you're around there's a minor test fix which could use your kick: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/639168/ | 13:37 |
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| gibi | cdent: I've kicked | 13:57 |
| cdent | thank you! | 13:57 |
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| cdent | efried: in a bizarre twist of fate, I'm momentarily at a loss for something to do (because brain can only work on certain things at certain phases of the moon). Is it cool with you if I rebase/fix/tidy your dry-ing of the post-ovo-ectomy stuff? | 15:38 |
| cdent | seems like a second set of eyes might be a good thing | 15:38 |
| efried | cdent: I don't mind, would only be concerned for lack of reviewers if you wind up having to recuse yourself :) | 15:41 |
| * cdent shrugs | 15:41 | |
| efried | cdent: If you are looking for something to do, there's three placement blueprints that aren't yet started. | 15:41 |
| cdent | we probably need more of gibi and tetsuro in this stack at some point | 15:41 |
| efried | mm | 15:41 |
| cdent | a) not looking for that kind of work (right now), b) ideally feature related work would be done by non-regulars (huge (and ironic/knowing/teasing-efried) emphasis on the ideally) | 15:42 |
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| mriedem | cdent: if you're looking for stuff to do, osc-placement is falling quite behind in placement api microversion support | 16:30 |
| cdent | mriedem: see a | 16:30 |
| mriedem | and we've also long talked about adding a meta command to that to allow setting inventory allocation ratios on all providers in an aggregate | 16:31 |
| cdent | when I'm not in the current phase of the moon I'm going to investigate making it easier for us to use storyboard to track that kind of thing | 16:33 |
| cdent | since they sound a lot like stories | 16:33 |
| cdent | non-bug issues, I guess | 16:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/placement master: Factor listiness into an ObjectList base class https://review.openstack.org/637325 | 16:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/placement master: Move _set_objects into ObjectList https://review.openstack.org/637328 | 16:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/placement master: Move *List.__repr__ into ObjectList https://review.openstack.org/637332 | 16:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/placement master: Clean up ObjectList._set_objects signature https://review.openstack.org/637335 | 16:35 |
| melwitt | can anyone help me with this error I'm getting calling the placement /usages API? I'm calling it in a new patch to count quota usage from placement http://logs.openstack.org/73/638073/8/check/tempest-full-py3/161317d/controller/logs/screen-placement-api.txt.gz#_Feb_26_07_25_17_363624 | 16:53 |
| cdent | melwitt: that should be fixed with the merge of.... /me looks | 16:58 |
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| cdent | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/639216/ | 16:59 |
| cdent | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1817633 | 16:59 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1817633 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Listing placement usages causes a circular reference error" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to Chris Dent (cdent) | 16:59 |
| cdent | it's an artifact of the ovo-ectomy | 16:59 |
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| melwitt | sweet, thanks. I had passing tempest last on feb 21, so I wondered if it had to be something recent | 17:00 |
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| cdent | melwitt: as an aside it managed to merge because the problem only shows up when using mysql, so it was caught by this stuff: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/601614/ | 17:00 |
| cdent | (which is now based on the fix to the bug) | 17:00 |
| melwitt | ah ok | 17:02 |
| cdent | (it turns out tempest never calls /usages ) | 17:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/placement master: WIP: Use native list for lists of Usage https://review.openstack.org/639391 | 17:13 |
| cdent | jaypipes, efried : next step in the ectomy, initially to make jay happy, but it seems pretty good if we're inclined | 17:13 |
| cdent | jaypipes, gibi, mriedem : could one of you look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/639216/ as it is causing real problems for people (inc. melwitt ) | 17:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/placement master: Remove NOTEs about _RE_INV_IN_USE https://review.openstack.org/636236 | 17:16 |
| melwitt | I updated my patch to Depends-On it, to see what happens | 17:16 |
| gibi | cdent: done | 17:22 |
| cdent | thanks gibi | 17:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/placement master: Fix a bad granular gabbi test https://review.openstack.org/639168 | 17:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/placement master: Cast Usage.usage to int https://review.openstack.org/639216 | 18:55 |
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| cdent | efried, jaypipes, edleafe, melwitt : as you seem likely to be awake or around, question about storyboard | 20:50 |
| edleafe | shoot | 20:51 |
| cdent | I talked with the #storyboard folk about starting to use it without migrating, since we're talking about letting old stuff get done or expire on launchpad | 20:51 |
| cdent | that turns out to be okay, so I'm planning to do the necessary to have placement use storyboard in gerrit | 20:51 |
| cdent | this is also safe because it's connection to launchpad is already broken | 20:51 |
| cdent | (by the new governance) | 20:52 |
| edleafe | Isn't that just a one-line change? | 20:52 |
| cdent | the question is: what to do about os-resource-class and os-traits? | 20:52 |
| cdent | do we want them to be in a group with placement | 20:52 |
| cdent | or their own thing | 20:52 |
| cdent | "group" is basically how you say "these several repos use the same stories" | 20:52 |
| cdent | oh, and osc-placement too | 20:52 |
| edleafe | As long as they worked the same, it wouldn't bother me to have them separate | 20:53 |
| cdent | to what end? I think it might be easier together | 20:53 |
| edleafe | IOW, nothing like placement on SB, os* on launchpad | 20:53 |
| cdent | as there's a (slim) chance it might help us pay attention to orphans like osc-placement a bit better | 20:53 |
| edleafe | Oh, I thought you were looking to separate them | 20:53 |
| edleafe | I'd rather they be together | 20:54 |
| cdent | efried, jaypipes, melwitt, mriedem : anything to add? | 20:54 |
| efried | I prefer os-rc and os-traits and osc-placement be "under" the placement umbrella entirely. | 20:55 |
| mriedem | if you move os-* under SB then you need to migrate the existing launchpad stuff | 20:56 |
| edleafe | mriedem: that's what made me think that cdent wanted to keep them separate | 20:56 |
| mriedem | looks like os-resource-classes isn't in launchpad, | 20:56 |
| mriedem | and os-traits doesn't have bugs or blueprints | 20:57 |
| mriedem | i'm pretty sure osc-placement has bugs in LP though | 20:57 |
| cdent | mriedem: 'xactly. plus right now any connection between gerrit and launchpad for any of that stuff is broken | 20:57 |
| mriedem | https://launchpad.net/placement-osc-plugin | 20:57 |
| cdent | my thinking was that for the duration of the cycle we hybrid | 20:57 |
| mriedem | ^ isn't broken | 20:57 |
| mriedem | https://bugs.launchpad.net/placement-osc-plugin | 20:58 |
| cdent | i don't mean that it's not there | 20:58 |
| cdent | I mean that reporting on progress from gerrit changes | 20:58 |
| mriedem | why would that be broken for osc-placement? | 20:59 |
| cdent | I may be wrong, but my understanding was that when we started using a different set of acl's things broke, but I may be conflating other problems that were happening somewhere else | 21:00 |
| mriedem | i'll test it quick for that repo | 21:00 |
| mriedem | since the bug link in the docs is wrong | 21:00 |
| cdent | in any case: what is the outcome that you want? what I was proposing that we only migrate stuff that we can demonstrate matters, not wholesale | 21:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/osc-placement master: Fix bugs link in contributing doc https://review.openstack.org/639436 | 21:02 |
| mriedem | based on those 3 projects being in placement under governance https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/projects/placement.html | 21:03 |
| mriedem | i'd just move them all to storyboard if placement is going to be in storyboard | 21:03 |
| mriedem | as noted, osc-placement is the only one that had stuff in launchpad | 21:03 |
| mriedem | os-traits and os-r-c doesn't | 21:03 |
| mriedem | looks like the bug tracking reporting may be busted https://bugs.launchpad.net/placement-osc-plugin/+bug/1817790 | 21:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1817790 in placement-osc-plugin "bug link in contributor docs is wrong" [Medium,New] | 21:04 |
| mriedem | lp hasn't updated yet | 21:04 |
| cdent | yeah, that's the stuff I was talking about | 21:04 |
| cdent | I haven't seen it work in anything placement related in quite some time | 21:04 |
| cdent | brb | 21:05 |
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| cdent | sorry, my client got all horked up | 21:05 |
| mriedem | cdent: i'm not sure if melwitt is around today so maybe just post whatever your proposal is to that thread i started about feature tracking in the ML | 21:13 |
| mriedem | and we'll get lazy consensus there | 21:13 |
| cdent | mriedem: I think what may not be clear here is that we can go ahead and create the stuff in storyboard and it doesn't impact the current state of the bugs in launchpad. I'm going to go ahead and create the project-config change and will link it here and make sure the commit message is sufficiently verbose | 21:14 |
| cdent | mriedem: the reason I want to get things started is because we seem to be gathering things that need to be remembered and no good place to put them. storyboard seems like that place | 21:15 |
| cdent | and since it won't break stuff (since stuff is already broken), may as well | 21:16 |
| mriedem | ok, still probably good to update that thread in the ML with that information | 21:16 |
| cdent | aye | 21:17 |
| melwitt | I'm not sure exactly what the question is, but if some placement things are going to use storyboard, it seems like all of them should, to make things less confusing | 21:21 |
| cdent | melwitt: yeah the question sort of evolved. that answers one of them | 21:21 |
| cdent | the other, more sore of latent one was: how, when and what should be migrated | 21:22 |
| cdent | because we have some things already in progress in nova's launchpad, we've discussed letting those things ride | 21:22 |
| melwitt | oh, I see | 21:24 |
| melwitt | I guess if there's a storyboard tool for migrating in-progress things (that will copy all existing comments over) then you could. if the existing bug comments don't get copied, I'd think it better to leave them in launchpad. though the danger there is, what if it takes months to close out the bugs, then you have them in separate places and people will be confused | 21:26 |
| melwitt | (some bugs in launchpad, other bugs in storyboard) | 21:27 |
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| cdent | yes, there is such a migration tool and I think that will get involved at some point but we don't have to do it at the same time as creating the storyboard stuff | 21:29 |
| cdent | re confusion: it's already pretty confused :) | 21:29 |
| cdent | I think during the transition, no matter we do, we are going to have pay extra attention and do extra handling | 21:30 |
| melwitt | what do you mean by "create the storyboard stuff"? start using storyboard for new bugs? | 21:31 |
| cdent | melwitt: no just have a placement project exist | 21:32 |
| cdent | (in storyboard) | 21:32 |
| melwitt | I guess in general, I'd aim to have everything move and start using storyboard at the same time, and leave lp behind at the same time, if possible | 21:32 |
| melwitt | to ease confusion, but as you said, I'm sure whichever way you go with, people will manage | 21:32 |
| cdent | What I'm trying to do is make sure that storyboard is already there so that we don't have to wait for that part once we have fully decided how we are going to do the rest of it | 21:32 |
| melwitt | is there a lot involved in making it be there? (I've never added storyboard to a thing before) | 21:33 |
| cdent | you make a project-config change some magic happens in the background | 21:35 |
| cdent | so no, not much | 21:35 |
| cdent | it's the migration that is a bit more involved | 21:35 |
| cdent | but it would be nice to be able to spend some time learning about how to make storyboard go, and we recently being having a lot of things that sounds like stories that need to be written down somewhere | 21:36 |
| cdent | and while an etherpad would be fine, a task tracker would be even better | 21:36 |
| melwitt | ok. I don't have a strong opinion about it, just that it would seem nice not to have things split between the two tools for any time, but I'm sure it will be ok whichever way you do it | 21:36 |
| mriedem | i'd be willing to bet the SB migration tool will not handle migrating only a subset of nova bugs to a project in SB | 21:40 |
| mriedem | i.e. only those that are still open with a 'placement' tag | 21:41 |
| cdent | mriedem: there's a tag filter dealy according to fungi | 21:41 |
| mriedem | ok we'll see :) | 21:41 |
| mriedem | is there a dry-run option? | 21:41 |
| cdent | probably | 21:41 |
| mriedem | because if that tag filter is buggy your migration is going to run for a few months | 21:41 |
| cdent | well, if were doing _my_ migration we'd not be doing any migration | 21:41 |
| cdent | so our migration might run for months, but I hope not. apparently the main way to do a dry run is to migrate to a dummy project | 21:42 |
| mriedem | the other thing is, | 21:42 |
| mriedem | of these 35 open nova 'placement' bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.structu | 21:42 |
| mriedem | subscriber=&field.tag=placement&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on&search=Search | 21:42 |
| mriedem | yikes | 21:43 |
| cdent | I'd really much rather we select only the important stuff, and rewrite it as humans into the new project, but I understand that sort of thing makes people nervous or unhapy | 21:43 |
| mriedem | they aren't all placement bugs | 21:43 |
| mriedem | they are nova bugs dealing with placement | 21:43 |
| cdent | right | 21:43 |
| cdent | which is again, why I think a mechanical migration is not great | 21:43 |
| cdent | we should just suck it hup and do some human work | 21:43 |
| mriedem | the open bug backlog is probably small enough to just port things over manually and close the bugs that get "migrated" from lp | 21:43 |
| cdent | since it is only 35... | 21:43 |
| cdent | yes | 21:43 |
| mriedem | does uh google index storyboard stuff yet? | 21:44 |
| cdent | lot of those 35 are either not germane or stale | 21:44 |
| * cdent doesn't konw | 21:44 | |
| mriedem | searching "story openstackclient bug" yields only lp | 21:44 |
| mriedem | and osc has been in sb for awhile | 21:44 |
| mriedem | anywho | 21:45 |
| mriedem | not really your problem | 21:45 |
| cdent | I would guess that storyboards heavy use of js is a factor | 21:45 |
| cdent | yeah, and it's not like there's much of a choice | 21:45 |
| mriedem | your problem is it's 9:45pm and you're thinking about this | 21:45 |
| cdent | I spent must of the earlier parts of the day laying in the sun outside | 21:45 |
| mriedem | isn't there some boiled meat to be had?! | 21:45 |
| cdent | and if I didn't do this now I would get to speak with your charming gob | 21:46 |
| cdent | no, what we have is some accidentally over-garlicked hummus | 21:46 |
| cdent | truly astonishing | 21:47 |
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| cdent | good night | 21:58 |
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