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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova-powervm: Blueprint for OVS and LB agent support https://review.openstack.org/326606 | 12:18 |
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efried | thorst_, did you have any trouble logging into review.openstack.org this morning? | 12:58 |
thorst_ | efried: I had to do it twice | 12:58 |
thorst_ | but I did get in | 12:58 |
efried | I'm seeing a page I've never seen before. | 12:58 |
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thorst_ | from Chan Serv: "OpenID login from review.o.o is experiencing difficulties, possibly due to transatlantic network performance issues. Things are being investigated" | 12:58 |
thorst_ | efried: they're posting that to all the channels. | 12:59 |
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thorst_ | Looks like I get to do all the reviews today | 12:59 |
efried | There are worse things. | 12:59 |
efried | At least from my perspective. | 13:00 |
thorst_ | heh | 13:00 |
openstackgerrit | Drew Thorstensen proposed openstack/nova-powervm: Update the PHYP vSwitch for Neutron Agents https://review.openstack.org/331321 | 13:03 |
thorst_ | efried: I'm going to need you to review that ASAP. So maybe you can go fix that transatlantic issue real fast? | 13:03 |
thorst_ | (I'm so funny) | 13:04 |
efried | thorst_, I'm on it. | 13:04 |
thorst_ | o, I'm joking. That is in no way urgent | 13:04 |
thorst_ | unless you have magic transatlantic powers | 13:04 |
thorst_ | in which case, you'd be the communities hero | 13:04 |
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thorst_ | adreznec: Did you move your dev environment up to 16.04 yet? | 13:22 |
adreznec | thorst_: Yeah, why? | 13:22 |
thorst_ | hmm...I spent a couple hours yesterday trying to get 16.04 fresh on my PC via Virtual Box. The experience was....less than optimal | 13:22 |
thorst_ | I don't know if its 16.04 or vBox | 13:23 |
efried | See, thorst_, I fixed it. | 13:23 |
thorst_ | efried: solid work as always | 13:23 |
efried | <bow> | 13:24 |
thorst_ | adreznec: It could also be the eclipse I was using... | 13:24 |
thorst_ | this new 'eclipse mars' is pretty...weird. | 13:24 |
adreznec | thorst_: Hmm weird. Yeah my VM is 16.04 with LXDE | 13:24 |
thorst_ | adreznec: I should switch to LXDE...Unity is just a hog in a VM | 13:24 |
thorst_ | although, not with parallels on the mac | 13:25 |
efried | thorst_, is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331321/2..3 a manual-merge rebase? | 13:25 |
thorst_ | efried: Yep. tjakobs and my changes conflicted | 13:26 |
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adreznec | thorst_: Yeah, I was surprised you were using vbox for dev if you have parallels? | 13:26 |
adreznec | Unless parallels can only do a limited # of vms | 13:26 |
thorst_ | adreznec: I was building it on my PC at home | 13:27 |
thorst_ | so...vBox | 13:27 |
adreznec | Ah, makes sense | 13:28 |
thorst_ | I was honestly debating just making an Ubuntu VM that we could post up somewhere that people could download and get started relatively quickly... | 13:28 |
thorst_ | pre-download and tox nova, nova-powervm, neutron, etc... | 13:28 |
adreznec | thorst_: We started something like that for sde dev | 13:28 |
adreznec | Using vagrant | 13:28 |
adreznec | But it didn't see heavy use | 13:29 |
thorst_ | adreznec: yeah...I'm not sure if it would see heavy use...except by me when I want to move up the OS | 13:29 |
efried | thorst_, looking over svenkat's blueprint again: I'm thinking the focus needs to be changed entirely to represent our plans to implement vNIC in Newton and direct-VF "later". | 13:35 |
efried | To the extent that the title should be changed accordingly | 13:36 |
efried | and whereas direct-VF can be *mentioned* as a future direction, details of its design/impl should be omitted. | 13:36 |
thorst_ | efried: I'm OK with that, as long as we state that we will design with that in mind. | 13:38 |
efried | thorst_, agree. | 13:38 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova-powervm: Update the PHYP vSwitch for Neutron Agents https://review.openstack.org/331321 | 13:40 |
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AndyWojo | wait you can run PowerVM as the hypervisor instead of PowerKVM? | 13:46 |
thorst_ | AndyWojo: Yep | 13:46 |
efried | AndyWojo, tell your friends. | 13:46 |
thorst_ | S812L's can run either PowerVM (but only Linux VMs - and a VIOS or two or three...) or PowerKVM (but Linux there obviously as well) | 13:47 |
AndyWojo | Oh crap.. everyone was under the impression we HAD to run PowerKVM | 13:47 |
thorst_ | AndyWojo: Nope :-) | 13:47 |
AndyWojo | Other than pure performance, is there any advantages to running PowerVM for the OpenStack hypervisor? | 13:48 |
thorst_ | PowerVM == AIX, IBMi and all your fav. linux distro's | 13:48 |
thorst_ | PowerVM has deeper FC integration | 13:48 |
AndyWojo | Well we run Linux on Power on our S822's, but on our 812L we thought PowerKVM was the only option for openstack | 13:48 |
thorst_ | KVM driver has broader OpenStack support (mostly things like iSCSI or depends on your deployment approach of OpenStack) | 13:48 |
AndyWojo | ohh perfect | 13:48 |
thorst_ | but we're quickly working through those | 13:49 |
AndyWojo | finding fc information with openstack is a pain, most people seem to be using iscsi | 13:49 |
thorst_ | AndyWojo: yes. | 13:49 |
thorst_ | AndyWojo: But don't let me steer you wrong. FC is supported within KVM. | 13:49 |
AndyWojo | So our background is we're an IBM BP out of Philly, we have a Lab where we play and learn, we have a ton of OpenStack, some 822's, 812Ls, and every storage unit you could think of, but it's all obviously FC connected, not iscsi. | 13:50 |
AndyWojo | Sure sure | 13:50 |
AndyWojo | but I'd rather support PowerVM. | 13:50 |
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AndyWojo | So would we have PowerKVM loaded on the 812L, I'll have to figure out how to revert back to PowerVM | 13:51 |
thorst_ | AndyWojo: With the storage story, one thing to note is that the Cinder drivers can vary wildly. | 13:53 |
adreznec | AndyWojo: You can do that from ASMI iirc | 13:53 |
thorst_ | AndyWojo: so your mileage may vary in terms of how that all works. I think EMC for instance zones to every port (and I think there are like 30-40 ports on the back of a traditional array) | 13:53 |
adreznec | By toggling from OPAL to PowerVM mode | 13:53 |
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thorst_ | AndyWojo: One other thing - to use PowerVM you will need to use the 'NovaLink' feature | 13:54 |
AndyWojo | I mean every type of IBM storafge | 13:56 |
AndyWojo | I see with Cinder the V7000, XIV, SVC, Flash are all supported | 13:56 |
AndyWojo | which is what weh ave | 13:56 |
AndyWojo | thorst_: cool I'll look into NovaLink | 13:56 |
thorst_ | AndyWojo: OK - I think those are pretty solid. I haven't personally tested each. Let us know if we can help | 13:56 |
thorst_ | I'd just ask that you fill out the OpenStack survey showing that you are evaluating the driver :-) | 13:56 |
thorst_ | helps show interest in the driver to the broader community | 13:56 |
thorst_ | (when you get to that point) | 13:57 |
AndyWojo | Sure, where can I do that? | 13:58 |
thorst_ | AndyWojo: https://www.openstack.org/user-survey | 13:59 |
thorst_ | you need an OpenStack.org account (which is good to have for a variety of reasons) | 13:59 |
AndyWojo | One thing I'm confused on with FC based storage. Do you map your storage, using Cinder, directly to your storage nodes? Or do you map it to your compute nodes? | 13:59 |
AndyWojo | Great, I'll fill that out | 14:00 |
thorst_ | AndyWojo: Well, what Cinder/Nova do is an orchestration. It will create the volume out in Cinder, zone it (if needed) and then we vSCSI attach it to the VM. There is also NPIV support, but that can confuse some arrays (though I think IBM's are OK there) | 14:00 |
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thorst_ | typical use case is 'boot from a glance image' which will upload to say a SSP. Then attach volumes for data storage. | 14:01 |
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AndyWojo | Ah.. gotcha. That makes sense | 14:04 |
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openstackgerrit | Drew Thorstensen proposed openstack/networking-powervm: Update requirements/Remove deprecations https://review.openstack.org/331719 | 15:10 |
AndyWojo | I know this probably gets asked a lot. But what can I do as someone who has a lot of POWER hardware in an lab environment to contribute to the PowerVM on OpenStack? | 15:15 |
AndyWojo | Documentation? Testing? Bug finding? | 15:15 |
openstackgerrit | Drew Thorstensen proposed openstack/ceilometer-powervm: Update Requirements https://review.openstack.org/331725 | 15:15 |
thorst_ | AndyWojo: we're always looking for new contributors! So no worries. | 15:16 |
thorst_ | I guess the first question is - what is your interest in OpenStack? Just learning more for now? | 15:17 |
AndyWojo | Well, we're trying to break into the consulting space for OpenStack in our area. So I'm the first person to dive into it. We ordered 5-6k worth of servers for a production implementation in our lab to run it for provisioning vms for testing OTHER things. | 15:19 |
AndyWojo | Learning to be an SME is my start | 15:19 |
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thorst_ | Yeah, and OpenStack definitely has a bit of a learning curve. | 15:19 |
AndyWojo | Yeah | 15:20 |
AndyWojo | I try and help out as many people as I can in #openstack with basic questions people run into... most people have problems with neutron and networking | 15:20 |
thorst_ | AndyWojo: I think the first step is really to familiarize yourself with getting a 'trunk openstack' running | 15:20 |
AndyWojo | Which I worked through over several agonzing weeks | 15:20 |
AndyWojo | trunk openstack? | 15:20 |
thorst_ | AndyWojo: Yeah, neutron is fun. We actually have some work going on there as well | 15:20 |
thorst_ | Trunk openstack == off the 'master' branch. The absolute latest | 15:20 |
thorst_ | you can help in many ways though - either development, being a CI provider, contributing to docs, etc... | 15:21 |
AndyWojo | Ah | 15:21 |
AndyWojo | I think I'll start with documentation. I see a few gaps there. | 15:22 |
AndyWojo | Thanks! | 15:22 |
thorst_ | And if you start messing with the PowerVM driver and see gaps (which I'm sure are there...) we'd love help there! | 15:22 |
thorst_ | its on our list to do | 15:22 |
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AndyWojo | Sure! I'm a big AIX guy, so I'll just draw comparisons there. | 15:27 |
openstackgerrit | Drew Thorstensen proposed openstack/nova-powervm: Update the requirements to be in line with global https://review.openstack.org/331729 | 15:31 |
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thorst_ | esberglu: One thing that adreznec brought up the other day was that you should probably be in the third party CI IRC meetings | 15:49 |
thorst_ | are those on your radar at all? | 15:49 |
esberglu | Yeah I joined the one today | 15:50 |
thorst_ | cool | 15:50 |
thorst_ | given that Jenkins is gone... | 15:50 |
thorst_ | I'm a little worried what that means for our CI | 15:50 |
adreznec | thorst_: Well we'll have to migrate eventually | 15:50 |
adreznec | In probably 6 months when Zuulv3 is actually done | 15:50 |
thorst_ | adreznec: yeah, but how to do it smoothly | 15:50 |
adreznec | I'd defiintely not recommend moving to Zuul2.5 | 15:51 |
esberglu | Yeah others in that meeting today are waiting for v3 as well | 15:51 |
adreznec | I imagine that the openstack-ci stuff will be ugpraded | 15:52 |
adreznec | *upgraded | 15:52 |
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efried | thorst_: Should allowed_vlans (for explicit VF and for vNIC) default to ALL in pypowervm, or left empty and let the platform assign the default? | 16:12 |
thorst_ | efried: if not passed in, I'd say default to all | 16:15 |
efried | thorst_, and should I include that in the vNIC.bld? | 16:16 |
thorst_ | efried: probably, optionally | 16:16 |
thorst_ | OpenStack deployed VMs should always set that I'd think | 16:16 |
efried | I imagine VF.bld and VNIC.bld should be pretty similar in those areas. | 16:16 |
thorst_ | to a very specific VLAN | 16:16 |
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thorst_ | efried: congrats on 310923. Long one coming | 17:09 |
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thorst_ | DVR hates me | 17:58 |
efried | Never had one. | 18:02 |
adreznec | thorst_: Should have gotten a TiVo | 18:02 |
thorst_ | heh...har har har. Distributed VIrtual Router | 18:03 |
thorst_ | obvs | 18:03 |
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efried | thorst_ (mdrabe): Looking at get_active_vioses and its helpers, thinking this code should all be in pypowervm. Agree? | 18:27 |
efried | uhh, not even seeing anything in vios.py that I wouldn't want to move. | 18:28 |
mdrabe | efried: Yea, I don't think the caller impact is too big | 18:30 |
efried | mdrabe, well, I can certainly introduce that code to pypowervm without hurting anyone... | 18:30 |
efried | ...and then rebase nova-powervm's usages of same, likewise. | 18:31 |
efried | Thereafter, would need to do a deprecation cycle for the nova_powervm incarnation. | 18:31 |
efried | Want to get thorst_'s nod before I go do it, though. | 18:31 |
mdrabe | prolly refactor the validate_vios_ready logic as part of the pypowervm change | 18:32 |
efried | Mebbe. Mebbe move first, refactor later. | 18:36 |
mdrabe | Versioning is no fun, maybe leave the nova-powervm bits in as hooks into pypowervm? | 18:38 |
efried | mdrabe, certainly, at least at the beginning of the deprecation cycle. | 18:39 |
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thorst_ | mdrabe: why leave anything in nova-powervm? I'd say move it all down | 19:08 |
thorst_ | old stuff would still work (mitaka) | 19:08 |
thorst_ | and new stuff would use the new pypowervm stuff (newton) | 19:08 |
thorst_ | I like moving it down | 19:08 |
thorst_ | efried: ^^ | 19:11 |
thorst_ | sorry for delay, was in a call | 19:11 |
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efried | thorst_, on it. | 19:14 |
efried | thorst_, concern with taking public APIs out of nova_powervm is that nova_powervm consumers could conceivably be using 'em. | 19:14 |
thorst_ | hmmm | 19:14 |
thorst_ | I'll check that...but doubtful | 19:14 |
thorst_ | should be self contained. | 19:14 |
mdrabe | thorst_, efried: Was just worried about newer nova-powervm using older pypowervm, but I don't think that's likely to happen. Vice versa is more likely and that's fine in this case | 19:19 |
thorst_ | mdrabe: yeah, newer nova-powervm will be tied to newer pypowervm | 19:19 |
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efried | thorst_, connection dropped there for a mo. Did you answer while I was out? | 19:40 |
thorst_ | efried: answer what? | 19:41 |
efried | thorst_, am I allowed to say, "moved from nova_powervm" in my commit message? | 19:41 |
efried | Or do I have to pretend this is all newly-conceived code? | 19:41 |
thorst_ | lol...I think its fine | 19:41 |
efried | k | 19:41 |
thorst_ | seroyer: did you still want to test that 'create vswitch on lpm' code? | 19:44 |
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seroyer | thorst_, I was hoping you would test that for me. :-) | 19:54 |
thorst_ | seroyer: just do me a favor first... | 19:54 |
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thorst_ | nevermind... Right as I was about to ask you to do it, the system decided to cooperate | 19:55 |
seroyer | My work here is done! | 19:55 |
thorst_ | something is up with my system where it decided to take 5 minutes to start booting the VM | 19:55 |
thorst_ | I'll ping you the system to load the code onto | 19:55 |
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thorst_ | WOOOO - DVR is working! | 20:03 |
seroyer | thorst_ Yay! | 20:06 |
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