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| tobberydberg | Reminder: Bi-weekly meeting here in the channel at 1400 UTC today | 10:58 |
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| tobberydberg | Agenda at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/publiccloud-wg | 10:58 |
| tobberydberg | Feel free to add topics! | 10:59 |
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| * mnaser really wanted to start attending but has a conflict at 10am from day 1 | 13:47 | |
| tobberydberg | The intention is half way there mnaser .... we hope to see you here next meeting then :-) | 14:00 |
| tobberydberg | o/ | 14:00 |
| aprice | o/ | 14:00 |
| tobberydberg | #startmeeting publiccloud_wg | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 7 14:01:53 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tobberydberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: publiccloud_wg)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'publiccloud_wg' | 14:01 |
| tobberydberg | Hi aprice ! | 14:02 |
| aprice | Hello! | 14:02 |
| tobberydberg | So, who's around? | 14:02 |
| mnaser | o/ | 14:03 |
| mnaser | (looks like my conflict is no longer one..) | 14:03 |
| tobberydberg | whoop whoop =) | 14:03 |
| tobberydberg | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/publiccloud-wg | 14:04 |
| tobberydberg | agenda ^^^ | 14:04 |
| tobberydberg | I hope that a few more pops in during the meeting here | 14:04 |
| tobberydberg | #topic 1. Recap Vancouver Summit | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "1. Recap Vancouver Summit (Meeting topic: publiccloud_wg)" | 14:05 | |
| tobberydberg | Well .. all of you here were in Vancouver so probably pretty aware of what happened there ... but will mention a few things for the record | 14:06 |
| tobberydberg | I think that we had pretty good interest around all our Forum sessions in general | 14:07 |
| tobberydberg | A lot of PTLs and cores interesting in the "missing features list" | 14:07 |
| tobberydberg | Got some feedback how we can do that even better, which was good | 14:08 |
| tobberydberg | #link to that session: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-forum-missing-features-pc | 14:08 |
| mnaser | ++ | 14:08 |
| mnaser | it was a great session | 14:08 |
| tobberydberg | Got some more comments to the items at launchpad as well | 14:08 |
| tobberydberg | Yea, I was surprised | 14:09 |
| pilgrimstack | hi | 14:09 |
| tobberydberg | welcome pilgrimstack | 14:09 |
| pilgrimstack | double meeting once again for me, I'm partially with you guys, sorry | 14:09 |
| pilgrimstack | hi tobberydberg | 14:09 |
| tobberydberg | Also, a lot of interest around the passport, which is good and motivating to take the next step there | 14:09 |
| tobberydberg | Forum session #link for that: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-forum-passport-program | 14:10 |
| tobberydberg | One thing that became pretty clear was that we need to come to a conclusion on our way forward, define the use case, then choose technique for how to solve the problem | 14:11 |
| mnaser | indeed | 14:12 |
| mnaser | i feel like we havent progressed much a little bit since then :( | 14:12 |
| tobberydberg | no, basically nothin | 14:13 |
| tobberydberg | that leads me into the next topic ... if we don't have any questions | 14:14 |
| mnaser | i just hope that we can move with a potential target/solution | 14:15 |
| tobberydberg | thats the next topic - so good =) | 14:16 |
| tobberydberg | #topic 2. Passport program - way forward | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "2. Passport program - way forward (Meeting topic: publiccloud_wg)" | 14:16 | |
| tobberydberg | So, we have an "old" spec that was created after the OpeStack Days UK | 14:17 |
| tobberydberg | #link Passport program - way forward | 14:17 |
| tobberydberg | oops | 14:17 |
| tobberydberg | #link https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/publiccloud-wg/tree/doc/source/passport_program.rst | 14:18 |
| tobberydberg | This was written before the programs release and based on the discussions that took place there. My suggestion is that we rewrite this and propose the "new" definition (use case) for the Passport Program | 14:19 |
| aprice | +1 | 14:20 |
| tobberydberg | Then we can collect the feedback there, discussion the use case spec there so it feels more official | 14:20 |
| aprice | and I think that will transition nicely into revamping the website language per mnaser's feedback | 14:20 |
| tobberydberg | Yes, absolutely. The wording feedback should be reflected in the definition in the spec as well | 14:21 |
| aprice | agreed | 14:21 |
| tobberydberg | I hope to be able to pull that off until next meeting in 2 weeks...might need help though, have pretty much on the agenda upcoming weeks | 14:22 |
| aprice | im happy to help with that | 14:22 |
| tobberydberg | Awesome, thanks! | 14:23 |
| mnaser | thank you aprice | 14:23 |
| tobberydberg | I setup an etherpad and post a draft there and then we (and everyone that wants to help put) can collaborate there | 14:23 |
| tobberydberg | #action tobberydberg to setup etherpad for passport spec draft and post draft in 2 weeks | 14:24 |
| aprice | sounds good! | 14:24 |
| tobberydberg | What do we want in that spec? Do we want tech solution at all? | 14:25 |
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| tobberydberg | Or just the use case we are trying to solve? | 14:25 |
| aprice | I think that it should start with the use case and goal of the program | 14:25 |
| tobberydberg | +1 | 14:25 |
| aprice | and once we get folks to weigh in, we can dig into the technical specs | 14:26 |
| tobberydberg | sounds good | 14:26 |
| tobberydberg | I'll talk to Darcy and Howard as well so that they know what is going on here | 14:27 |
| tobberydberg | A lot of the good use of the PP is a little bit on hold on the coupon solution .... thinking about the meetup group handouts etc | 14:28 |
| tobberydberg | So, would be really neat to have that in place to Berlin | 14:29 |
| aprice | yeah, the program came up again in the user community leadership forum session | 14:29 |
| mnaser | i think handouts are a bit hard | 14:30 |
| mnaser | because as a provider i don't know where they'll end up | 14:30 |
| mnaser | heck, they might end up on some online forum with someone signing up and using it to mine crypto :) | 14:30 |
| mnaser | so there's a it of a harder way of tracking things of whats going on | 14:30 |
| tobberydberg | single coupon codes | 14:30 |
| tobberydberg | not worse than offer trial | 14:30 |
| tobberydberg | one code only valid once | 14:30 |
| jamesmcarthur | Right - I think the idea was a one time use. | 14:31 |
| mnaser | i guess it comes down to is it self-serve or is it vetted | 14:31 |
| mnaser | because a coupon feels to me like it would be self-serve making it harder to know about bad stuff(tm) only after the fact | 14:31 |
| mnaser | i | 14:31 |
| mnaser | i'd be okay with it as long as we have some sort of clear agreement with those who hand them out i guess | 14:31 |
| tobberydberg | Agreed | 14:32 |
| tobberydberg | Should make sense where to hand them out | 14:32 |
| mnaser | ++ | 14:32 |
| tobberydberg | Liked the feedback from the us meetup group | 14:33 |
| tobberydberg | they put in a lot of work into that | 14:33 |
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| jamesmcarthur | you could also capture user info and ask them to opt-in to communications so you could follow up after they use the coupon code | 14:34 |
| mnaser | jamesmcarthur: that is a good idea too | 14:34 |
| tobberydberg | I totally agree with them, at the high level, that you should get a good experience of using openstack no matter what member you pick | 14:34 |
| tobberydberg | ++ jamesmcarthur | 14:35 |
| tobberydberg | but, that's pretty hard ... but I believe that we should put together a list of requirements that you need to fulfil to be in the program | 14:36 |
| tobberydberg | Know we had, but we haven't been good at following up o them | 14:36 |
| tobberydberg | Filtering on foundation homepage is one thing that can make the fit better, but the feeling of openstack is more than that | 14:38 |
| tobberydberg | We talked about "Powered" requirement. Thoughts around that? | 14:38 |
| * mnaser shrugs | 14:44 | |
| mnaser | i don't recall this, i recall discussing the idea of the requirement of being a corporate member | 14:45 |
| aprice | mnaser: i can clarify | 14:45 |
| aprice | to be considered a powered cloud, there are a set of requirements. To date, one of those has been to be a Foundation corporate member, but we have worked with providers who are unable to fulfill that requirement | 14:46 |
| aprice | so that's just one of the criteria in addition to testing that Chris Hoge from our team runs. | 14:46 |
| mnaser | oh i see | 14:46 |
| aprice | since we collect so much information on the Powered clouds for the public cloud marketplace, the idea was to encourage the Passport members to be Powered so that the criteria we collect (what version of OpenStack they're running among many) are options for filter on the passport page | 14:47 |
| tobberydberg | Yups, we discussed this and the corporate member part is the part that doesn't make sense in this case | 14:47 |
| mnaser | ++ | 14:48 |
| mnaser | maybe as an intermediate | 14:48 |
| tobberydberg | the rest would be perfect for PP members ... both when it comes to Chris tests and the information that is collected about the clouds | 14:48 |
| mnaser | maybe we can add something like | 14:48 |
| mnaser | "passport enabled" as a field for starters | 14:49 |
| mnaser | that you can filter on | 14:49 |
| aprice | yeah, and I think that this goes back to the goal of the program which we need to figure out. because i think that once we agree on that direction, we will have a better sense of how we want to filter / represent participants | 14:51 |
| tobberydberg | in the markeplace you mean= | 14:51 |
| mnaser | yes tobberydberg | 14:51 |
| tobberydberg | Did you and danny get a task to look into this aprice? | 14:51 |
| mnaser | so looking through the marketplace, we can have users maybe filter based on those that are part of passport program | 14:51 |
| aprice | tobberydberg: to look into which piece? | 14:52 |
| tobberydberg | thats a good idea to internally market at o.o the program as well | 14:52 |
| pilgrimstack | my input about "Powered" or not: in the best situation, that would be great and assure the community that we offer an similar experience (at least on the APIs) to the use, the fact is we (OVH) were certified, and now we don't pass the current requirement | 14:53 |
| tobberydberg | "something" regarding the requirements etc fo be part of powered... Let me see if I have more notes around that | 14:53 |
| tobberydberg | Might be that I don't remember correct | 14:53 |
| pilgrimstack | so if the passport program requires a powered certification, we'll lose some public cloud actors | 14:53 |
| aprice | tobberydberg: ah yes, he and I can look into that today. | 14:54 |
| tobberydberg | yep, now ... we do the same from time to time ... and all tests are not really applicable for a public cloud either - admin things and ceilometer stuff | 14:55 |
| tobberydberg | not sure about how the latest tests and how those looks though | 14:55 |
| tobberydberg | thanks aprice | 14:56 |
| aprice | i think that's a bigger convo and jamesmcarthur and I can talk to Chris about how that's planning to evolve. | 14:56 |
| tobberydberg | Need to very soon run into a meeting here. If someone wan't to continue discuss this at some other time soon, let me know and we can schedule something | 14:57 |
| tobberydberg | awesome aprice | 14:57 |
| aprice | ill see if Chris and Danny can join the next PCWG meeting so we can have a bigger discussion | 14:57 |
| jamesmcarthur | tobberydberg: can you send us the exact things you think are not appropriate for Public Cloud? | 14:58 |
| tobberydberg | ++ aprice | 14:58 |
| jamesmcarthur | I'd like to make sure Chris and Danny are armed with that before the next meeting. | 14:58 |
| tobberydberg | I can look into that jamesmcarthur ... unfortunately I haven't been taking notes of it, but lets see what I can find | 14:59 |
| tobberydberg | Thanks for today folks! Need to run here! Lets talk more soon! | 14:59 |
| tobberydberg | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New meeting time!! Thursday odd weeks at 1400 UTC in this channel!!" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 7 15:01:22 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2018/publiccloud_wg.2018-06-07-14.01.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2018/publiccloud_wg.2018-06-07-14.01.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2018/publiccloud_wg.2018-06-07-14.01.log.html | 15:01 |
| aprice | thanks all! | 15:05 |
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