| tobberydberg | Yes mrhillsman ... correct! | 11:36 |
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| tobberydberg | To repeat that .... meeting in 2,5h ... 1400 UTC | 11:36 |
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| tobberydberg | Agenda at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/publiccloud-wg ... feel free to suggest topics | 12:15 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 13:56 |
| tobberydberg | o/ | 13:57 |
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| zhipeng | hello hello | 14:00 |
| zhipeng | anyone here for the wg meeting ? | 14:00 |
| aprice | o/ | 14:01 |
| tobberydberg | #startmeeting publiccloud-wg | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 30 14:01:26 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tobberydberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: publiccloud-wg)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'publiccloud_wg' | 14:01 |
| tobberydberg | Hola everyone! | 14:01 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 14:01 |
| aprice | hello! | 14:02 |
| tobberydberg | Agenda at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/publiccloud-wg | 14:02 |
| tobberydberg | If you haven't, please put your name there! | 14:02 |
| tobberydberg | Let's get going directly | 14:03 |
| tobberydberg | #topic 1. Plan for PTG | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "1. Plan for PTG (Meeting topic: publiccloud-wg)" | 14:03 | |
| tobberydberg | Soon time for another PTG ... whoop whoop! Will be awesome! | 14:04 |
| zhipeng | i'm still waiting for my visa .... | 14:04 |
| zhipeng | administrative processing almost a month | 14:05 |
| tobberydberg | I created an etherpad for the PTG planning | 14:05 |
| tobberydberg | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/publiccloud-wg-stein-ptg | 14:05 |
| tobberydberg | Also added a few topics in some kind of structured way... | 14:05 |
| tobberydberg | what? Any holdup or just waiting? | 14:06 |
| mrhillsman | i'll be there and added a couple of items | 14:07 |
| tobberydberg | +1 | 14:07 |
| zhipeng | just waiting ... | 14:08 |
| mrhillsman | got final approval yesterday so will get plane ticket today | 14:08 |
| mrhillsman | everything else is situated | 14:08 |
| tobberydberg | Please add your name as well, and please add some more notes around your topics as well mrhillsman | 14:08 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 14:08 |
| tobberydberg | sounds good mrhillsman | 14:08 |
| tobberydberg | zhipeng: then I guess we just need to wait... Is it in US side of things, or locally in china? | 14:09 |
| zhipeng | i'm not sure how it works actually | 14:09 |
| tobberydberg | ok ok | 14:10 |
| zhipeng | but should be able to get it really close to the conf starting date | 14:10 |
| tobberydberg | you have a week =) | 14:10 |
| mrhillsman | i think is is pretty common unfortunately | 14:10 |
| mrhillsman | in particular for frolks from China | 14:11 |
| zhipeng | particularly for Huawei | 14:11 |
| tobberydberg | hmmm...thats to bad | 14:11 |
| zhipeng | lol | 14:11 |
| mrhillsman | :) | 14:11 |
| zhipeng | anyways | 14:11 |
| zhipeng | while we have melvin here | 14:11 |
| mrhillsman | you said it hehe | 14:11 |
| zhipeng | should we discuss the SDK Cert ideas here ? | 14:11 |
| zhipeng | i mean first | 14:12 |
| tobberydberg | So, suggest topics everyone | 14:12 |
| tobberydberg | you mean now zhipeng? | 14:12 |
| zhipeng | yep | 14:13 |
| zhipeng | just a suggestion | 14:13 |
| tobberydberg | Lets slide through the agenda fisrt, then we can do that.. ok? | 14:13 |
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| mrhillsman | ++ | 14:14 |
| pilgrimstack | o/ | 14:14 |
| tobberydberg | welcome pilgrimstack | 14:14 |
| tobberydberg | #topic 2. Specs | 14:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "2. Specs (Meeting topic: publiccloud-wg)" | 14:14 | |
| zhipeng | ++ | 14:15 |
| tobberydberg | We have a few "specs" that we need to move forward on | 14:15 |
| tobberydberg | Passport v2 ... we really should come to a decision there ... meaning staring to reply to Tomas comment and get more people to vote | 14:15 |
| tobberydberg | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/583529/ | 14:16 |
| tobberydberg | Also, we have your cloud ledger spec zhipeng that we would like to have feedback on | 14:17 |
| zhipeng | :P | 14:17 |
| tobberydberg | So, I guess that PTG would be a good slot for it, or try to make a push here and get feedback until next weeks meeting? | 14:18 |
| zhipeng | PTG would be an ideal place to get it done | 14:18 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 14:19 |
| tobberydberg | Lets try to go for that then! | 14:19 |
| tobberydberg | #topic 3. Missing features | 14:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "3. Missing features (Meeting topic: publiccloud-wg)" | 14:19 | |
| tobberydberg | Last time we taled about a work session for missing fewtes list - making sure it is up to date before the PTG, also get people to att new stuff to it (if they have any) to get them vetted during the PTG session | 14:20 |
| tobberydberg | Something that we should schedule for the meeting next Wednesday? | 14:21 |
| tobberydberg | most of all I just want to ask everyone to have a look, update, add ... so please spread that word | 14:22 |
| mrhillsman | sounds good | 14:22 |
| tobberydberg | pilgrimstack: Will you have people from OVH at the PTG in Denver? | 14:23 |
| tobberydberg | Lets schedule that for next week then | 14:23 |
| tobberydberg | #topic 4. Other topics | 14:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "4. Other topics (Meeting topic: publiccloud-wg)" | 14:23 | |
| pilgrimstack | tobberydberg: few people, mainly from storage team | 14:24 |
| tobberydberg | We have an incoming PP application that needs review | 14:24 |
| tobberydberg | ok, thanks pilgrimstack. Please let them know about our sessions there if that is of interest for them | 14:25 |
| tobberydberg | #link https://www.syseleven.de/syseleven-stack-testen/ | 14:25 |
| tobberydberg | Do you have any more information about them or their application aprice that is worth mentioning? | 14:25 |
| aprice | I don't think so - Danny has been running that. I know he was going to try joining, but was having issues | 14:26 |
| aprice | yeah, he said he doesnt have any other information. just needs to be reviewed | 14:27 |
| tobberydberg | Ok. I have a dialog with Danny regarding them as well, and I'm planning to try them out. I would say that I think that PP should be clearer presented - maybe at the top | 14:27 |
| tobberydberg | You don't get the feeling that it is PP at first glance | 14:27 |
| tobberydberg | I have signed up but they don't hand out immediate access, and I haven't received any information about how to proceed | 14:30 |
| tobberydberg | Lets schedule for next meeting to have them evaluated and summarize feedback to send to them, ok? Is that ok for you aprice? | 14:31 |
| zhipeng | aprice what about the suggestion about adding promotions to the pp webpage banner ? | 14:31 |
| aprice | tobberydberg: yep that works! | 14:34 |
| aprice | zhipeng: are you talking about cloud-specific promotions to o.o/passport that we discussed via email? | 14:34 |
| zhipeng | yep :) | 14:35 |
| zhipeng | any further thoughts on that ? | 14:35 |
| aprice | we discussed internally when it first came up, but I think that the concern is that it's not easy to change that banner frequently and it would be hard to decide the order of the clouds and there wouldnt be a way to show them in only the regions they are available | 14:37 |
| pilgrimstack | for information, last time I explained we disabled the PP at OVH | 14:37 |
| pilgrimstack | in fact we re-enabled it after adding some filters | 14:38 |
| pilgrimstack | it's not perfect but it works for now | 14:38 |
| aprice | zhipeng: we can discuss more at the ptg | 14:38 |
| zhipeng | okey no problem | 14:38 |
| tobberydberg | Good to hear that pilgrimstack =) | 14:39 |
| tobberydberg | Welcome back! =) | 14:39 |
| tobberydberg | So, we are at "other topics" ... feel free to get back to your suggested topic zhipeng | 14:39 |
| zhipeng | mrhillsman i'm all hyped up :P | 14:40 |
| mrhillsman | re setting stage for sdk | 14:40 |
| zhipeng | the floor is yours senator | 14:40 |
| mrhillsman | i'll try to be clear | 14:40 |
| mrhillsman | #link http://www.lucidchart.com/invitations/accept/2d394b00-937a-4fc5-a04c-a23f50e2c38c | 14:40 |
| mrhillsman | hopefully that helps | 14:40 |
| mrhillsman | basically we determine the delta between existing openstack powered compute API calls and the acceptance tests of an SDK | 14:41 |
| mrhillsman | if the SDK implements then it should be "certified" | 14:42 |
| mrhillsman | however that is just a subset as sdk should cover more | 14:42 |
| mrhillsman | so ideally one could have levels | 14:43 |
| mrhillsman | we certify this sdk is defcore compliant or whatever | 14:43 |
| mrhillsman | another potential direction for certain certification is APIs that are implemented | 14:43 |
| mrhillsman | a good example of the concept is what k8s has | 14:44 |
| mrhillsman | alpha beta stable APIs | 14:44 |
| mrhillsman | so if SDK implements all of what is considered stable as i believe there are some features that are stable then it gets stable badge | 14:45 |
| mrhillsman | like vGPU support in Nova | 14:45 |
| mrhillsman | i do not think anyone can say it is stable, but maybe it is, if it is not, it is considered unstable/beta/alpha, that can be worked out | 14:45 |
| zhipeng | so i think what you suggested is that we could certify on two dimensions | 14:47 |
| mrhillsman | maybe there are 10 API calls based on things that need to be implemented and 3 are stable, 5 are somewhat tested (alpha), 2 beta, so we can badge an SDK based on what it supports, and certify based on stable only or in line with Interop certification plan | 14:47 |
| mrhillsman | yep, two dimensions | 14:47 |
| zhipeng | 1. the amount of the APIs and 2. the maturity of the APIs | 14:47 |
| mrhillsman | because it can open the door for higher level application/sdk cert/validation | 14:47 |
| mrhillsman | yes | 14:47 |
| zhipeng | i like the SDK badge idea | 14:47 |
| tobberydberg | me too | 14:48 |
| zhipeng | it is more useful than just telling people pass/no pass | 14:48 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 14:48 |
| tobberydberg | Absolutely | 14:48 |
| mrhillsman | exactly, if you try something beta/alpha expect failure, but at least you know clearly | 14:49 |
| tobberydberg | DO you have any sdk that you currently are working together with in this? | 14:49 |
| mrhillsman | the best option we have is gophercloud or openstacksdk | 14:49 |
| mrhillsman | we have good relationships there | 14:49 |
| tobberydberg | yup, openstacksdk would be the ideal first demo =) | 14:50 |
| mrhillsman | and they are pretty stable in terms of code base and developer participation | 14:50 |
| tobberydberg | yup | 14:50 |
| mrhillsman | gophercloud has been really picking up steam with the openlab work | 14:50 |
| tobberydberg | Sounds good! | 14:51 |
| mrhillsman | so the plan is to have this write up and demo for ptg for interops and public cloud sessions | 14:51 |
| mrhillsman | even though i will be likely running around worst case we can leave it with both teams to review | 14:51 |
| tobberydberg | I would love to be able to take this to operators (public cloud in particular) and get some kind of combined cert of sdk and the PC | 14:51 |
| mrhillsman | and if not during session maybe in hallway, lunch, dinner, breakfast discuss more | 14:51 |
| tobberydberg | Absolutely | 14:52 |
| mrhillsman | that's it from me there | 14:52 |
| mrhillsman | oh, only that i think it makes sense after the ptg to put it in the public view | 14:52 |
| zhipeng | mrhillsman what about the apisnoop ? | 14:52 |
| mrhillsman | yes, so apisnoop is https://github.com/cncf/apisnoop | 14:53 |
| mrhillsman | after digging in it basically will help with the visualization of api coverage and badging | 14:53 |
| zhipeng | will we be like extensively rely on that ? | 14:53 |
| mrhillsman | mitmproxy is the workhorse for the certification and the where we are now in terms of capturing the delta between refstack and an sdk | 14:54 |
| mrhillsman | i think we have some options there | 14:54 |
| mrhillsman | it seems apisnoop is quite reliant on k8s audit logging in terms of how they currently do the visualizations | 14:54 |
| mrhillsman | i am digging into the code to see where we can either work with them or need to break away | 14:55 |
| mrhillsman | right now we do not have to rely on apisnoop as mitmproxy was confirmed as the underlying core aspect to it | 14:55 |
| mrhillsman | but we can learn from it for visuals or use it if it makes sense | 14:55 |
| zhipeng | mitmproxy is another open source project ? | 14:56 |
| mrhillsman | need to understand more why it relys on k8s audit logging when mitmproxy is there | 14:56 |
| mrhillsman | yep | 14:56 |
| zhipeng | got it | 14:56 |
| mrhillsman | it has actually been around for some time and is quite robust | 14:56 |
| mrhillsman | http://mitmproxy.org | 14:56 |
| mrhillsman | ok, that is truly it from me now hehe | 14:57 |
| tobberydberg | haha. Thanks mrhillsman! Interesting indeed | 14:58 |
| mrhillsman | very welcome | 14:58 |
| tobberydberg | 2 more minutes of todays meeting ... somethin else from someone? | 14:58 |
| zhipeng | ding | 15:00 |
| tobberydberg | pretty much so, yes =) | 15:00 |
| mrhillsman | there's a community webinar starting now | 15:00 |
| mrhillsman | #link https://zoom.us/j/551803657 | 15:00 |
| mrhillsman | if interested | 15:00 |
| zhipeng | cool | 15:01 |
| tobberydberg | That is interesting =) | 15:01 |
| tobberydberg | Ok folks! Don't miss next weeks meeting! Looking forward to see some of you in Denver soon | 15:01 |
| tobberydberg | Thanks a lot for today! | 15:01 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 15:01 |
| mrhillsman | thx | 15:01 |
| tobberydberg | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 30 15:01:58 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2018/publiccloud_wg.2018-08-30-14.01.html | 15:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2018/publiccloud_wg.2018-08-30-14.01.txt | 15:02 |
| zhipeng | thx cya | 15:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2018/publiccloud_wg.2018-08-30-14.01.log.html | 15:02 |
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