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| adriant | Hello! | 07:01 |
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| tobberydberg | o/ | 07:02 |
| tobberydberg | #startmeeting publiccloud-wg | 07:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 19 07:04:30 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tobberydberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: publiccloud-wg)" | 07:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'publiccloud_wg' | 07:04 |
| tobberydberg | Agenda at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/publiccloud-wg | 07:05 |
| tobberydberg | Hi everyone! Who's around for todays meeting? | 07:05 |
| adriant | o/ | 07:06 |
| tobberydberg | Hi adriant! | 07:06 |
| adriant | long time no see! | 07:07 |
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| zhipeng_ | problems with the irc nick... | 07:07 |
| tobberydberg | For sure, too long! | 07:07 |
| tobberydberg | Will you be in Berlin? | 07:07 |
| zhipeng_ | are we already in discussion ? | 07:07 |
| adriant | I shall | 07:08 |
| tobberydberg | Cool! Would be nice if we could plan for a "public cloud dinner" | 07:08 |
| zhipeng_ | hey adriant | 07:08 |
| zhipeng_ | ah that'd be wonderful | 07:08 |
| tobberydberg | no zhipeng_ ... just socialising ;) | 07:08 |
| adriant | bruno will also be in Berlin and would likely be happy to join | 07:09 |
| tobberydberg | Sounds great! | 07:09 |
| tobberydberg | Let s plan for that | 07:09 |
| zhipeng_ | shall we take a look at the etherpads ? | 07:10 |
| tobberydberg | Ok. So, to todays agenda | 07:10 |
| tobberydberg | #topic 1: PTG recap | 07:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "1: PTG recap (Meeting topic: publiccloud-wg)" | 07:11 | |
| tobberydberg | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/publiccloud-wg-stein-ptg-summary | 07:11 |
| zhipeng_ | i think we had a really good session at Denver | 07:11 |
| tobberydberg | yes | 07:12 |
| zhipeng_ | so per the long term goal for the missing features | 07:12 |
| zhipeng_ | my patch to the TC seems get the softball again ... | 07:13 |
| zhipeng_ | where Doug suggest to start with the current SIG/WG arrangment | 07:13 |
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| zhipeng_ | I won't argue back and forth again, I think I could work with Lance, to start trying out disecting the goals | 07:13 |
| tobberydberg | saw that ... will follow it, but they seam to fall back to the same arguments they had during TC meeting a little | 07:14 |
| zhipeng_ | yep | 07:14 |
| adriant | what's the patch? | 07:14 |
| zhipeng_ | nostalgia folks.... | 07:14 |
| tobberydberg | There is also a new election out, so can be new people to approach as well | 07:14 |
| zhipeng_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/602799 | 07:14 |
| adriant | ty | 07:14 |
| zhipeng_ | i'm running, so would be great to have your votes :) | 07:15 |
| tobberydberg | In general, we would like to have a place to drop cross project things that we have identified as issues from PCWG or any other SIG or WG | 07:15 |
| tobberydberg | for example, it should be good to be able to delete all resources in a project | 07:15 |
| adriant | which is important and useful. | 07:15 |
| zhipeng_ | adriant what we told tc is that, we have done our due diligence | 07:15 |
| zhipeng_ | please help coordinate the projects to work on that | 07:15 |
| tobberydberg | maybe not doable over one cycle, but over multiple ... that is one part of the patch | 07:16 |
| zhipeng_ | to which the reply is basically, no lol | 07:16 |
| adriant | honestly, a single API endpoint per service that is effectively: "purge this project id and it's resources" shouldn't be that bad... | 07:16 |
| tobberydberg | exactly | 07:16 |
| zhipeng_ | adriant in genral tobias and I and also folks from UC discussed method to close the loop between development and usage | 07:17 |
| tobberydberg | BUT ... do never bring the technical sulution, only the problem =) | 07:17 |
| tobberydberg | But totally agree with you | 07:17 |
| zhipeng_ | have a quantifiable way to have missing feature implemented and show that to the user | 07:17 |
| adriant | I'm currently working on having a terminate project API in Adjutant which just has an action per service, but having APIs which I can call instead of having to manually delete resources in my code would be amazing... | 07:17 |
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| tobberydberg | like something that you would expect any project to have from the beginning actually | 07:18 |
| adriant | you'd think that :P | 07:18 |
| tobberydberg | One suggestion during the TC meeting was also to identify one of the community goals to be "operator centric" | 07:19 |
| tobberydberg | like "purge project" as an example | 07:19 |
| tobberydberg | Either way, we will have to keep push here to get something formed around this | 07:19 |
| zhipeng_ | yep | 07:20 |
| zhipeng_ | anyways adriant would be great to have you guys provide a ranking for the items listed on the launchpad | 07:20 |
| tobberydberg | I will work with Melvin in creating a storyboard board under UC where we add the top 3 items from our group and we take it from there | 07:21 |
| adriant | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-publiccloud-wg/+bug/1771586 < at least I should have done for Stein | 07:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1771586 in OpenStack Public Cloud WG "Multi factor authentication support" [High,New] | 07:21 |
| tobberydberg | Agree with zhipeng_ ... would be good! Think that we can arrange that during a meeting as well, where we try to reach out to all PCs to do that | 07:22 |
| zhipeng_ | adriant we could work with Lance on that re MFA | 07:22 |
| tobberydberg | Talked with Colleen about that, heard that was going to happen! | 07:22 |
| tobberydberg | Which is awesome | 07:22 |
| adriant | zhipeng_: it's already all happening. The auth-receipts spec is mine | 07:23 |
| zhipeng_ | cool ! | 07:23 |
| adriant | and once that's finished and merged support to keystoneauth, openstackclient, and horizon will be next | 07:23 |
| adriant | was targeted for rocky with work mostly done, but Lance was refactoring Keystone internals I needed and it was safer to let him finish | 07:23 |
| tobberydberg | I guess openstackclient will be quick to pick that one up | 07:24 |
| tobberydberg | Great great | 07:24 |
| tobberydberg | We also talked about a few more things in Denver.. :-) | 07:25 |
| adriant | one little thing I actually would love to see down the line is Keystone being able to be a fully-fledged idp with single-sign on support | 07:25 |
| tobberydberg | heheh | 07:25 |
| tobberydberg | yups, that is something that would be really really nice =) | 07:25 |
| tobberydberg | I really hope that we get more time some time to spend doing those kind of things | 07:26 |
| zhipeng_ | yep | 07:27 |
| zhipeng_ | another topic we had is passport program v2 | 07:27 |
| tobberydberg | So ... to the rest ... Passport - take it back a step, ensure quality among the members, easy access for ed users with better filtering, and integration of openlab | 07:28 |
| tobberydberg | you. are so ahead of me =) | 07:28 |
| zhipeng_ | and also we thought would be great to expand the concept to a broader theme of "make openstack easy to use" | 07:28 |
| tobberydberg | Keep going howard =) | 07:28 |
| zhipeng_ | tobberydberg i think we need to find a time to talk with aprice or jimmy | 07:29 |
| zhipeng_ | about the pivoting we discussed | 07:29 |
| zhipeng_ | and also the MKT oriented meetings per month | 07:30 |
| tobberydberg | yup | 07:31 |
| tobberydberg | Get more people to vet their ideas around "market place booth" as well | 07:32 |
| zhipeng_ | anything you want to do adriant re passport ? | 07:32 |
| adriant | It depends on how you want to do it. | 07:33 |
| tobberydberg | "you" => "we" ;-) | 07:33 |
| adriant | Our cloud now just offers $300 over 12 months (whichever runs out first) | 07:33 |
| adriant | are we still just using the passport as a catalogue of member clouds | 07:34 |
| tobberydberg | all members need to be more active around this | 07:34 |
| tobberydberg | Basically yes | 07:34 |
| adriant | or are we going to go down the route of issuing vouchers? | 07:34 |
| tobberydberg | That was the plan | 07:34 |
| tobberydberg | But, until Berlin we will take a step back regarding that and do another round of ideas vetting | 07:35 |
| tobberydberg | To few members are active here and around the PP in general, we will need more folks help and commitment to pull that off | 07:35 |
| adriant | Like, with our signup process, we give all users a default $300 for 12 months. but in future we'll be doing our own vouchers that give extra on top of the default. | 07:35 |
| tobberydberg | That is at least my idea... | 07:35 |
| tobberydberg | Yes, and I still like that idea | 07:36 |
| adriant | and if some of those are openstack passport vouchers we validate in some external system, that's not too hard for us to add | 07:36 |
| tobberydberg | (no metter the technical solution behind it) | 07:36 |
| tobberydberg | Not for us either ... like a couple of extra api calls | 07:36 |
| adriant | just gotta make that voucher API somewhere :P | 07:37 |
| tobberydberg | Happy that you are coming to Berlin, so we can be more in the room to speak our minds regarding this | 07:37 |
| tobberydberg | Yup, tech ideas do exists, can be briefed any time ... guess Berlin is a good plan for that | 07:38 |
| adriant | me too, and... I need to get back into the upstream a bit more. I've been working on too many internal only things and it's driving me mad | 07:38 |
| zhipeng_ | and no matter what the tech solution is , we need better mkt for passport | 07:38 |
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| tobberydberg | Yes, lets make sure we get a kickstart for that in Berlin! Hopefully some more folks that can help out with that as well | 07:39 |
| zhipeng_ | yep | 07:39 |
| tobberydberg | To touch the other topics as well... | 07:39 |
| tobberydberg | SDK certification ... first version together with Melvin and OpenLab | 07:39 |
| zhipeng_ | with go-sdk | 07:39 |
| tobberydberg | Starting off small here, forum session regarding that in Berlin how to proceed | 07:40 |
| zhipeng_ | shall we talk about the forum session now :P | 07:40 |
| tobberydberg | #topic 2: Forum sessions Berlin | 07:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "2: Forum sessions Berlin (Meeting topic: publiccloud-wg)" | 07:41 | |
| tobberydberg | yes =) | 07:41 |
| zhipeng_ | so how many should we register | 07:41 |
| zhipeng_ | 3 in total ? | 07:41 |
| tobberydberg | No, things have changed my man =) | 07:42 |
| tobberydberg | look at the etherpad | 07:43 |
| tobberydberg | adding things there | 07:43 |
| tobberydberg | So ... | 07:44 |
| adriant | part of me wonders... would reparenting a keystone project fit within the change of resource ownership topic... | 07:45 |
| tobberydberg | that will make it 5.. | 07:45 |
| tobberydberg | hmm | 07:45 |
| tobberydberg | good point | 07:45 |
| adriant | because that's a feature it think operators could use (I know I need it), and right now the only solution is using sql | 07:45 |
| tobberydberg | and, you would probably be one of the best co moderators for this one =) | 07:45 |
| tobberydberg | I like that | 07:46 |
| tobberydberg | And that is basically what I'm thinking as well when talking about that | 07:46 |
| zhipeng_ | so are we looking at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BER-forum-public-cloud ? | 07:46 |
| tobberydberg | But, will need ore discussions I assume | 07:46 |
| zhipeng_ | add things there ? | 07:46 |
| tobberydberg | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/publiccloud-wg | 07:46 |
| zhipeng_ | ah sorry | 07:46 |
| tobberydberg | added there for now, will move later | 07:47 |
| adriant | in my case I need it for sub-project HMT trees, rather than moving just a server or two from one project to another | 07:47 |
| adriant | I mean just entirely making a project and all it's resources now the child of another project | 07:47 |
| tobberydberg | adriant: get it ... that is a good one as well | 07:47 |
| tobberydberg | I would be happy to have them both | 07:47 |
| tobberydberg | would you be up for a co-moderation of that topic together with me? | 07:48 |
| tobberydberg | adriant ^^ | 07:48 |
| adriant | sure! | 07:48 |
| tobberydberg | Awesome! | 07:48 |
| tobberydberg | I have a "tool" from one of the Nova folks that is linked in that "launchpad" entry that I'm about to try some day here soon | 07:49 |
| zhipeng_ | Dan Smith made that | 07:49 |
| tobberydberg | yes | 07:49 |
| tobberydberg | adriant: Would be nice to have you around for project deletion as well, up for that too? | 07:50 |
| adriant | yes, as that's a topic I've spent a lot of time with | 07:50 |
| adriant | internally we have an almighty deletion tool... | 07:51 |
| tobberydberg | thats what I thought ... we have too ...even though itright now is lacking attention | 07:51 |
| adriant | we just add extra functions to it when we add new services or features | 07:51 |
| adriant | it's not pretty | 07:52 |
| tobberydberg | Thanks! Think that both those sessions will draw attention from devs and TC, and the more ops we can get there the better | 07:52 |
| tobberydberg | So, added a few names to the proposed sessions - zhipeng_ - does that look ok for you? | 07:53 |
| zhipeng_ | yep :) | 07:53 |
| tobberydberg | (I will be around for them all, but might be good with 2 names on each) | 07:53 |
| tobberydberg | I guess you will to zhipeng_ =) | 07:53 |
| zhipeng_ | so shall I register the latter two while you could register the top 3 ? | 07:53 |
| tobberydberg | Great | 07:54 |
| zhipeng_ | or adriant could help register one or two ? | 07:54 |
| tobberydberg | I can register, that is fine | 07:54 |
| adriant | I just can't attend any that clash with: https://www.openstack.org/summit/berlin-2018/summit-schedule/global-search?t=adjutant | 07:54 |
| adriant | bah | 07:54 |
| adriant | https://www.openstack.org/summit/berlin-2018/summit-schedule/events/22184/bridging-the-gaps-between-openstack-and-business-logic-with-adjutant | 07:54 |
| tobberydberg | Lets first just move them to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BER-forum-public-cloud | 07:54 |
| adriant | meant to link directly, not the search :P | 07:54 |
| tobberydberg | and give them descriptions | 07:54 |
| tobberydberg | For sure adriant | 07:55 |
| zhipeng_ | i already did | 07:55 |
| tobberydberg | Will try to work that out with schedule planners as well | 07:55 |
| tobberydberg | zhipeng_: You and me give those topics descriptions and coordinate before we submit? | 07:56 |
| zhipeng_ | we could do that | 07:56 |
| tobberydberg | ++ | 07:56 |
| tobberydberg | More forum topics suggestions? Or other topics for todays meeting | 07:57 |
| zhipeng_ | deadline is Sep 26th btw | 07:58 |
| tobberydberg | Yes, in a week | 07:58 |
| adriant | those topics look fairly sensible | 07:59 |
| tobberydberg | so we will not have the time to talk about it during next weeks meeting | 07:59 |
| zhipeng_ | yep | 08:00 |
| tobberydberg | We will not be able to manage much more in 3 days =) | 08:00 |
| adriant | and as it stands those topics will likely draw enough attention (and conflicting views) | 08:01 |
| tobberydberg | yes | 08:02 |
| zhipeng_ | :) | 08:03 |
| adriant | anyway! I need to run, but will be here next 0700 utc meeting, and will keep in touch as we near the Berlin summit! | 08:03 |
| zhipeng_ | that's great ! | 08:04 |
| zhipeng_ | and if you could vote for tc, could count on you for one vote :) | 08:04 |
| tobberydberg | Great adriant! Thanks for joining! | 08:04 |
| adriant | zhipeng_: already voted ;) | 08:04 |
| tobberydberg | I will put my votes in later today =) | 08:05 |
| zhipeng_ | many thx :) | 08:05 |
| tobberydberg | Anything else to cover before we close down for today? | 08:05 |
| zhipeng_ | nothing from my side | 08:06 |
| tobberydberg | cool! Lets write descriptions for our forum topics this week and get them in | 08:06 |
| tobberydberg | And promote those sessions at the different mailing lists later on as well | 08:07 |
| tobberydberg | marketing mailing list for passport for example... =) | 08:07 |
| tobberydberg | Thanks for today! | 08:08 |
| tobberydberg | #endmeeting | 08:08 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 19 08:08:12 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:08 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2018/publiccloud_wg.2018-09-19-07.04.html | 08:08 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2018/publiccloud_wg.2018-09-19-07.04.txt | 08:08 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2018/publiccloud_wg.2018-09-19-07.04.log.html | 08:08 |
| zhipeng_ | c ya :) | 08:08 |
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| aprice | catching up from the meeting earlier - i do think that it would be good to summarize the discussions around the Passport Program and share with the participating members along with the proposal of a meeting. zhipeng_ tobberydberg: I can write some meeting notes adn share via email so we can hopefully get that note out this week? | 15:42 |
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| tobberydberg | aprice: Sounds like a good plan, like that! In the same email mention that we will have a Forum session - make sure to attend there as well etc. (if we get that session in) | 19:40 |
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| aprice | perfect! I will draft something and share with you and zhipeng before distributing tomorrow :) | 23:03 |
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