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| nsaje | Anyone knows why there are jobs on http://status.openstack.org/zuul/ with 6+ hours duration? | 10:43 |
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| mkoderer | andreaf: hi, if you have some time could you have a look to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108606/2 | 10:50 |
| andreaf | mkoderer: hi - sure I already started looking at it | 10:52 |
| andreaf | mkoderer: but I was looking at patchset 1 - I'll check the changes in 2 | 10:52 |
| mkoderer | andreaf: I think I just changed the commit message | 10:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Deepak Jadiya proposed a change to openstack/tempest: ran pep8 Change-Id: Ie1c90b7e17521e1c36c63a2c66e10e8c31f903c1 https://review.openstack.org/108953 | 10:56 |
| andreaf | mkoderer: done | 10:58 |
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| andreaf | mkoderer: I don't remember exactly, do we require a spec + etherpad for adding a single test as well, or is it enough to have a bug for that? | 11:07 |
| mkoderer | andreaf: a single test is not a bug | 11:08 |
| andreaf | mkoderer: ok so just add the test, so spec no bug | 11:09 |
| mkoderer | andreaf: IMHO we don't need a spec for just one test ;) | 11:12 |
| andreaf | mkoderer: yes I agree | 11:13 |
| andreaf | mkoderer: thanks | 11:13 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: ping | 12:28 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: pong | 12:28 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: I couldn't find the spec for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/tempest-heat-integration - do you know if there is one or we just use the bp? | 12:29 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: I dont think it has a spec | 12:30 |
| mtreinish | I probably should have closed it out with the other bps that were missing specs... | 12:31 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: perhaps, only I think there are a few patches which are related to it | 12:32 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: I don't mind having an exception for this bp, I can chase the owner and see if he can create a spec for it | 12:33 |
| mtreinish | that's why I gave it some slack, because there was a lot of activity on heat tests :) | 12:33 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: ok | 12:33 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: so there are heat patches that are not linked to it, they should be then | 12:33 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: re the scenario test conversion, I wanted to propose to try and get the conversion done (at least base classes and 1 test) before letting new scenario tests in - we could use the help of the people contributing new tests to migrate them already to tempest clients | 12:35 |
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| mtreinish | yeah, they probably should be linked on that bp | 12:36 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: yeah, I'll bring it up during the meeting tomorrow | 12:36 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: ok thanks | 12:36 |
| mtreinish | but I agree we should have new scenario patches use the tempest clients | 12:36 |
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| eglynn-call | mtreinish: I'm guessing there was much discussion last week at the QA mid-cycle on moving non-blackbox tests out of tempest and into new per-project functional test suites? | 15:21 |
| eglynn-call | mtreinish: is there a TL;DR anywhere that I could get caught up on? | 15:21 |
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| mtreinish | eglynn: well non-blackbox tests should not be in tempest currently | 15:24 |
| mtreinish | eglynn: but there was discussion around augmenting what we have now in tempest with per-project functional testing | 15:25 |
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| mtreinish | I think something will be sent to the ML with the results of all the discussions soon | 15:25 |
| mtreinish | (I wasn't on the hook for that part :) ) | 15:26 |
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| eglynn | mtreinish: sure, I just wanted to get a feel for what these proposed "per-project functional testing" suites would look like roughly | 15:26 |
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| mtreinish | eglynn: oh, well I have an idea in my head for that, we didn't really discuss the specifics I think most people were hand-wavy around that part | 15:27 |
| eglynn | mtreinish: cool | 15:27 |
| mtreinish | eglynn: I started compiling some of my ideas here: https://review.openstack.org/108858 | 15:27 |
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| eglynn | mtreinish: BTW we discussed briefly at the project/release status meeting last week, and agreed we'd need some explicit cross-project co-ordination of this change in direction | 15:28 |
| mtreinish | eglynn: ok, I'll have to go read the logs then | 15:28 |
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| eglynn | mtreinish: ... so in addition to the ML thread (which would be useful) probably be good to add to the agenda for the next project/release status meeting? | 15:29 |
| mtreinish | eglynn: yeah, I think after the discussion starts on the ML adding it to the project meeting is a good idea | 15:30 |
| mtreinish | unfortunately, I'll be on a plane during the next project meeting... | 15:31 |
| eglynn | mtreinish: a-ha, k, I guess we could punt to the next-next meeting in that case? | 15:31 |
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| mtreinish | eglynn: yeah I should probably be able to make that one. I just need to remember to wake up early, I'll be in AU... :) | 15:35 |
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| eglynn | mtreinish: let's shoot for that one so, thanks! | 15:37 |
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| mkoderer | dkranz: could you also +A? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107740/ | 17:40 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: ^^^ I think that should have enough unit testing | 17:47 |
| mtreinish | let me know if you think I should add more... | 17:48 |
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| mtreinish | I'd rather not rush it but have complete unit testing | 17:48 |
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| mkoderer | jhuthmann: welcome :) | 17:53 |
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| mtreinish | jhuthmann: yes, welcome | 17:53 |
| jhuthmann | thanks.... :-) welcome everybody | 17:54 |
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| andreaf | mkoderer: it wasn't me this time! ... I hope :P | 18:30 |
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| mkoderer | andreaf: Committer Andrea Frittoli | 18:31 |
| mkoderer | anyway doesn't matter :) | 18:32 |
| andreaf | mkoderer: uhm I can't believe it, I fixed my git config... well thanks for letting me know, I'll check again if I have a broken git config on another machine perhaps | 18:32 |
| andreaf | mkoderer: that was on July 17th, last week so before I fixed my git config most likely | 18:34 |
| andreaf | sorry about that | 18:34 |
| mkoderer | andreaf: what was wrong in the git config? | 18:34 |
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| andreaf | there was some autorebase setting in | 18:35 |
| mkoderer | ah ok | 18:35 |
| mkoderer | never tried that | 18:35 |
| andreaf | which forced a rebase against master every time I did git review | 18:35 |
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| andreaf | neither did I | 18:35 |
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| andreaf | I think an older version of git review added that by default | 18:36 |
| andreaf | and someone it wasn't cleaned up when I updated it | 18:36 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: where do I file bugs against subunit2sql? http://paste.openstack.org/show/87808/ | 18:40 |
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| jogo | sdague: https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1347851 odd devstack bug | 18:43 |
| jogo | dtroyer: ^ | 18:44 |
| dtroyer | jogo: I think we merged a fix for that this morning… https://review.openstack.org/108670 | 18:44 |
| jogo | dtroyer: ahh | 18:45 |
| jogo | that explins it | 18:45 |
| jogo | dtroyer: thanks | 18:45 |
| sdague | jogo: yeh, that's weird | 18:46 |
| jogo | sdague: I noticed the bug right after it got fixed, but on the pre-fix side | 18:47 |
| sdague | jogo: I wonder if the base images in the providers changed | 18:47 |
| sdague | and they left out the package | 18:47 |
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| jogo | sdague: yeah, also I wonder why nova doesn't halt if that happens | 18:48 |
| dkranz | mkoderer: I think we said that we would have mtreinish give +A to specs so I just gave +2 | 18:48 |
| sdague | because n-net does a ton of stuff on demand later | 18:48 |
| mkoderer | dkranz: oh yeah forgot about that :) | 18:49 |
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| sdague | dtroyer: so I'm a little concerned that the ceph patch doesn't work in our env - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107472/ | 18:49 |
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| dtroyer | sdague: how many of those are precise jobs yet? | 18:53 |
| sdague | not many, if any | 18:53 |
| sdague | tempest-full passing would be enough for me | 18:53 |
| sdague | but as far as I can see the volumes parts aren't plumbed in correctly | 18:53 |
| sdague | so the tempest volumes tests all fail | 18:54 |
| dtroyer | I'll look again and see what changed…it was working for me locally last week | 18:54 |
| sdague | ok, I'd think that tempest should pass | 18:55 |
| dtroyer | it should | 18:55 |
| sdague | it's possible the enabling patch to flip the tests is wrong | 18:56 |
| sdague | however, we should get to the bottom of it | 18:56 |
| dtroyer | that patch only adds the ceph service, it doesn't enable it for cinder, so if volumes are failing, it's on LVM | 18:57 |
| sdague | ok | 18:57 |
| sdague | so can someone put the right enabling patch into play? | 18:58 |
| dtroyer | yeah, I'll dig in... | 18:58 |
| sdague | it should also probably been in the README | 18:59 |
| sdague | this seems like a thing people might want to do | 18:59 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: oh, let me open a bug tracker for it | 19:01 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: yeah, I've seen that bug before, but I can't remember what I did to fix it when I ran locally | 19:02 |
| mtreinish | either way we should fix it | 19:02 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: ok thx | 19:05 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: https://launchpad.net/subunit2sql | 19:07 |
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| mtreinish | file away... | 19:08 |
| andreaf | will do :D | 19:08 |
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| sdague | dtroyer: ^^^ | 19:15 |
| sdague | I've got an icehouse backport coming as well | 19:15 |
| sdague | that's been killing me all morning | 19:15 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/109085 is the icehouse backport | 19:16 |
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| jogo | wow the check queue is massive | 19:17 |
| jogo | sdague: do you know what happened? | 19:17 |
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| dtroyer | sdague: is that the only place I did that? looks like something that may have been repeated | 19:18 |
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| sdague | dtroyer: it's the only one I could fine | 19:19 |
| sdague | it's definitely the one that was screwing me | 19:19 |
| sdague | once I finally traced deeply enough | 19:19 |
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| sdague | dtroyer: there are days I kind of want to light bash on fire. This is one of them | 20:01 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: found the cause it looks like if you have a deprecated opt set that has a name collision (even in different groups) when you register it as a cli opt, oslo.config doesn't know how to handle it | 20:04 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: it works fine if you register it as a regular opt | 20:05 |
| mtreinish | I'll submit an oslo.config bug and hack around it and push out a patch | 20:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed a change to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Fix and update query for bug 1295808 https://review.openstack.org/109103 | 20:13 |
| mriedem | jogo: moved that test_volume_boot_pattern query over ^ | 20:13 |
| jogo | cool | 20:14 |
| openstackrecheck | openstack/oslo.rootwrap change: https://review.openstack.org/108821 failed because of: gate-grenade-dsvm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1270710 | 20:18 |
| sdague | dtroyer: you got a few minutes to help me figure out where I'm going terribly wrong? | 20:20 |
| dtroyer | sure, it'll give me a break from going in ceph circles | 20:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed a change to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: add query for cinder encryption-type-list failure https://review.openstack.org/108472 | 20:21 |
| sdague | dtroyer: http://paste.openstack.org/show/87828/ | 20:21 |
| sdague | that's not working for me | 20:21 |
| sdague | in grenade.sh | 20:22 |
| sdague | the ENABLED_SERVICES seem to always be blank | 20:23 |
| dtroyer | sdague: what service names are you calling that with? | 20:29 |
| sdague | keystone | 20:29 |
| sdague | for instance | 20:29 |
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| dtroyer | that's part of the problem…'is_service_enabled keystone' has never been valid; keystone's service name is 'key'…only those with multiple services had the aliases, and I'm trying to get rid of those | 20:31 |
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| dtroyer | get rid of == removed from is_Service_enabled() | 20:32 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: wow bug fixed before I even filed it :) | 20:32 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: well not yet, I still need to figure out how exactly to hack around the oslo.cfg bug, but I should put it up for review by tonight | 20:33 |
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| mtreinish | so if you file it now you'd still win :) | 20:34 |
| mriedem | jogo: 500 error at debug level :( http://logs.openstack.org/10/108410/2/check/check-tempest-dsvm-postgres-full/4496d7e/logs/screen-g-api.txt.gz#_2014-07-23_10_56_40_831 | 20:35 |
| mriedem | https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1347692 | 20:35 |
| dtroyer | sdague: so when 'is_service_enabled $local_service' returns 1, as it would for local_service == 'keystone', what is supposed to happen? I'm missing it's purpose | 20:36 |
| dtroyer | on line 5 | 20:36 |
| sdague | hold on one sec, I think I see the terrible thing I did | 20:36 |
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| sdague | dtroyer: gah, is_keystone_enabled doesn't exist in icehouse .... :( | 20:39 |
| sdague | ok, so what I'm trying to do is actually make the upgrade scripts conditional | 20:40 |
| sdague | because I've not been able to locally run grenade for 3 weeks because the defaults don't enable ceilometer | 20:40 |
| sdague | and the upgrade scripts aren't conditional | 20:40 |
| sdague | which was preventing me from actually getting to the javelin parts | 20:41 |
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| dtroyer | I think backporting is_keystone_enabled() is the best option here, if the other services all have is_xxx_enabled() already | 20:42 |
| dtroyer | hmmm…horizon doesn't, is that the only other project with a single service? | 20:43 |
| sdague | apparently master doesn't have it either | 20:43 |
| mriedem | jogo: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109115/ | 20:44 |
| dtroyer | probably because o the single service and the assumption that 'key' doesn't need a glob to match | 20:45 |
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| dtroyer | but for the way you're doing upgrade_service() it would be handy... | 20:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed a change to openstack-dev/devstack: add is_keystone_enabled https://review.openstack.org/109116 | 20:45 |
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| sdague | dtroyer: yeh | 20:49 |
| sdague | ok, I think I've got a work around | 20:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed a change to openstack-dev/grenade: first pass of integrating javelin2 to grenade https://review.openstack.org/97317 | 21:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed a change to openstack-dev/grenade: Make grenade work outside of the gate https://review.openstack.org/109122 | 21:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed a change to openstack-dev/grenade: move from screen dumping to using worlddump tool https://review.openstack.org/109123 | 21:13 |
| sdague | so I'm pretty sure computes aren't surviving upgrade | 21:13 |
| sdague | but that's at least some level of sanity | 21:13 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: if you're still around try oslo.config >= 1.3.0 it works for me but I have an arbitrary git version installed locally which is 1.3.0.$(git hash) | 21:14 |
| mtreinish | I'll push a requirements update, but I want to make sure 1.3.0 is good enough | 21:14 |
| mtreinish | I'll spin up a test node to confirm too | 21:14 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: ok I will try that | 21:16 |
| andreaf | I installed from the cloned git repo | 21:16 |
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| andreaf | so if I uninstall fetch the tag and reinstall it should be ok | 21:17 |
| andreaf | thanks! | 21:17 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: wait I'm not following, you're talking about oslo.config or subunit2sql? | 21:19 |
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| andreaf | oslo.config | 21:19 |
| mtreinish | ahh ok, that makes sense | 21:20 |
| mtreinish | now I guess I just need to find the regression in oslo.config and fix it there... | 21:20 |
| sdague | mtreinish: is oslo.config worth the randomness? | 21:21 |
| mtreinish | sdague: no, it's not, it's on the todo.rst to drop it and oslo.db from subunit2sql | 21:21 |
| mtreinish | but until I get around to that I have to fight through it... | 21:21 |
| dhellmann | mtreinish: what's the issue? | 21:21 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: apparently there's a regression when registering a cli opt that has a deprecated opt with the same name in a different group | 21:22 |
| mtreinish | it throws a duplicate opt exception | 21:22 |
| mtreinish | it looks like 1.3.0 worked, but newer version don't | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | so the cli opt uses the name of a deprecated opt from another group? | 21:23 |
| dhellmann | I wouldn't expect the duplicate check to look across groups, but maybe it does for some reason | 21:24 |
| * dhellmann is still waiting for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/85487/9 to land to detect these sorts of regressions | 21:24 | |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/subunit2sql/tree/subunit2sql/shell.py#n50 | 21:24 |
| mtreinish | it raises an exception with this: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo.db/tree/oslo/db/options.py#n32 | 21:25 |
| dhellmann | mtreinish: so is the problem oslo.config or oslo.db? | 21:25 |
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| dhellmann | interesting | 21:25 |
| mtreinish | oslo.config, I'm just manually registering options from oslo.db | 21:25 |
| dhellmann | ok | 21:26 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: I seem to get the same with olso 1.3.0 | 21:26 |
| andreaf | http://paste.openstack.org/show/87840/ | 21:26 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: hmm, then I guess whatever random checkout I have installed magically works :) | 21:26 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: also pip freeze reports version 0.1 of subunit2sql while I have 0.2 installed | 21:26 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: hmm well the only difference is the gitreview so that shouldn't matter | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | mtreinish: do you have a bug open for this? I might be able to work on it tomorrow, so I'll open one if you don't yet | 21:27 |
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| mtreinish | dhellmann: andreaf opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/subunit2sql/+bug/1347911 | 21:28 |
| sdague | dhellmann: so I think running all the unit tests for all the projects is the wrong approach realistically | 21:28 |
| mtreinish | I'll add oslo.config to it and add some more detail | 21:28 |
| sdague | I think it's about defining the oslo.config contract in olso.config unit tests | 21:28 |
| dhellmann | sdague: if everyone would stick to just what we contract, that would be fine. they don't, though. they use all sorts of internal shit. | 21:29 |
| jogo | mriedem: why just info? | 21:29 |
| jogo | and not something higher | 21:29 |
| sdague | dhellmann: is it clear that they are internal things? | 21:29 |
| jogo | exception, error etc | 21:29 |
| dhellmann | sdague: yes | 21:30 |
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| dhellmann | sdague: and so, when we release a library, that breaks things in someone's unit tests and they come screaming at me | 21:30 |
| dhellmann | sdague: at least 2 times last cycle | 21:30 |
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| sdague | dhellmann: yeh, honestly, running all the unit tests isn't going to help the problem really. It's just going to be a bunch of randomness to debug that no one will have time to. | 21:31 |
| dhellmann | sdague: usually it's a mock of some sort | 21:31 |
| dhellmann | sdague: I'm open to other specific ideas, but "just don't change things" isn't a solution either | 21:32 |
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| sdague | honestly, we're about to have a thread out there about this grander issue of the test coupling and the fact that it's not actually helping us fix things. | 21:33 |
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| dhellmann | if the unit test suites in the apps mocked things at the API boundary, instead of mocking implementation details, it wouldn't be a problem | 21:34 |
| dhellmann | if I can tell people you gave me permission to break their unit tests by not testing for and finding issues before releasing libraries, I'll do that :-) | 21:35 |
| sdague | dhellmann: what if the olso libs provided fixtures | 21:35 |
| dhellmann | sdague: they will | 21:35 |
| dhellmann | what if our developers honored API boundaries? :-) | 21:35 |
| sdague | well, I still think we should only have 1 oslo library | 21:35 |
| mriedem | jogo: incremental step | 21:35 |
| dhellmann | I don't know how that fixes anything. | 21:35 |
| sdague | but no one listens to me on that :) | 21:35 |
| jogo | mriedem: works for me | 21:35 |
| mriedem | jogo: b/c i don't have a history on that code and don't know what other 'known' exceptions they don't care about or expect there | 21:36 |
| dhellmann | I expect most of these libraries to come out and then sit without changes for a long period of time. I'm not sure how releasing the messy spaghetti crap we have in the incubator now as a library does anyone any good. | 21:36 |
| mriedem | there was a thread recently where the heat guys were saying an internal novaclient change broke them | 21:37 |
| mriedem | which i think is bs | 21:37 |
| dhellmann | because a fair amount of the incubated code was forklifted and then abandoned, and so it only "works" in the context of an app, and can't stand alone in a lib (no matter its size) | 21:37 |
| dhellmann | sdague: you should not believe the things we've found as we started trying to tease these modules apart | 21:37 |
| jogo | mriedem: so the novaclient thing. I think the issue is novaclient doesn't document what its contractual API is | 21:37 |
| sdague | jogo: unfortunately, non of the libraries really do | 21:38 |
| dhellmann | right, that's a big part of what we're doing during the graduation work. it's not just packaging, it's looking at the API and declaring what's public and what's private. | 21:38 |
| mriedem | jogo: well, why should someone's unit tests care about how a nova client exception is formed? | 21:38 |
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| dhellmann | the packaging is the easy part | 21:38 |
| mriedem | if they just want to test that they get it | 21:38 |
| mriedem | or mock it | 21:38 |
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| dhellmann | mriedem: for the same reason there were (are?) tests in nova that verify that gettextutils returns a Message instead of unicode when lazy translation is turned on? | 21:39 |
| dhellmann | people don't think about the API boundary when they mock, they look for something "easy" to mock and test around it | 21:40 |
| jogo | mriedem: plus if we can clearly say this isn't part of the API then we have more to go on then just; don't be silly' | 21:40 |
| sdague | dhellmann: honestly, with 1 million lines of source code, thats unavoidable | 21:40 |
| sdague | because no one can keep all of that in their head | 21:40 |
| dhellmann | sdague: if the code doesn't live in the code base you're actually editing, then it's pretty easy to identify the API boundary, no? | 21:42 |
| sdague | and it's honestly a thing which is made worse by having tons of olso.foo | 21:42 |
| dhellmann | how is that worse? | 21:42 |
| sdague | because now I'm hunting a ton of different trees | 21:42 |
| sdague | which all import other trees | 21:42 |
| dhellmann | that's the point though - mock out the first thing that is not in the tree you are editing | 21:42 |
| dhellmann | you shouldn't be looking around after that or writing tests that rely on that thing's internal behavior | 21:43 |
| sdague | so then provide fixtures and examples for all of that | 21:43 |
| dhellmann | we are working on that | 21:43 |
| sdague | the oslo libs are actually quite poor on examples | 21:43 |
| dhellmann | sdague: yeah, we suck, I get it | 21:43 |
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| sdague | dhellmann: sorry, so I've got my frustration that I lost probably a week on javelin because of weirdness in oslo, that I basically had to go read source code to figure out. | 21:45 |
| sdague | and the insistance of doing alpha releases, which burns a good chunk of my time every time they break the gate. | 21:45 |
| dhellmann | I wish I'd heard about that before you spent a week on it. That's a pretty common occurance, though. People seem reluctant to talk to the oslo team except to complain. | 21:45 |
| sdague | dhellmann: because it's not clear where the weirdness is | 21:46 |
| dhellmann | sdague: yeah, I'm pretty tired of the alphas, too, but we're trying to avoid breaking existing releases | 21:46 |
| jogo | dhellmann: something about oslo.logging's support for log to stdout nto working | 21:46 |
| jogo | sdague: ^ | 21:46 |
| sdague | because of things like the global config magic | 21:46 |
| sdague | yeh, there's that thing, which is also broken | 21:46 |
| dhellmann | sdague: the use of a global object for configuration is an application decision, not an oslo decision. oslo.config supports multiple instances of that object. | 21:47 |
| dhellmann | jogo: I'm not sure what problem that is. Is there a bug with more details? | 21:47 |
| jogo | mtreinish: ^ | 21:47 |
| dhellmann | sdague: the new oslo libraries take a config object as an argument, and do not look at the global instance | 21:48 |
| mtreinish | jogo: I never filed one... | 21:48 |
| sdague | dhellmann: anyway, I think it's a good beer chat some time. | 21:48 |
| dhellmann | sdague: I don't know. I'm getting tired of this refrain, and it's not just from you. | 21:48 |
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| jogo | dhellmann: I think a bunch of the refrain stems from the way oslo is perceived. code gets moved into oslo. gets mixed around and pops out the other end. all with little downstream interaction | 21:50 |
| jogo | well historically | 21:50 |
| dhellmann | jogo: I would love to have more people involved. I can't even get most of the projects to send one person to our meetings. | 21:51 |
| jogo | dhellmann: I can't always make the friday meeting but I join sometimes. My experience with the osloy syncs has been pretty good actually | 21:51 |
| jogo | as in the turn around for getting bugs fixed | 21:52 |
| dhellmann | jogo: that's good to hear | 21:52 |
| sdague | dhellmann: sorry, I feel pretty disenfranchised by the process, as the concrete points like forward sync testing, have been ignored based on "we don't want to have stable internals". So such it is. | 21:52 |
| dhellmann | sdague: right, the *entire point* of the incubator is to allow evolution. I expect people proposing patches to the incubator to then propose syncs for those patches to the other projects, along with the necessary manual changes. | 21:53 |
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| dhellmann | sdague: but I obviously have no control over whether other people actually do what they're supposed to do | 21:53 |
| sdague | dhellmann: well that definitely doesn't happen :) | 21:53 |
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| dhellmann | sdague: and that's why we started asking for liaisons to be assigned within each project to help keep up with that this cycle. I'm not sure how well that's working, jogo's experiences aside. | 21:54 |
| dhellmann | and so we're going to make libraries, and we're going to delete stuff from the incubator, but now I've got projects refusing to adopt "alpha" releases because they want it "tested" but they won't run with the code so how does that work? | 21:55 |
| dhellmann | </vent> | 21:55 |
| jogo | dhellmann: thoughts on closing oslo-incubator to new things? | 21:56 |
| dhellmann | jogo: we want to get nova objects turned into a lib, and I was going to try for that next cycle, but in general we've been focusing on bugs and graduation so we have an effective freeze without declaring it | 21:57 |
| jogo | dhellmann: can't the oslo lib run an integration test using the alpha? | 21:57 |
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| sdague | jogo: they do | 21:57 |
| jogo | dhellmann: cool thats sort of what I assumed as well | 21:57 |
| dhellmann | jogo: the integratino tests do, but the unit tests don't | 21:57 |
| jogo | sdague: ahhhh | 21:57 |
| jogo | oh unit tests | 21:57 |
| sdague | dhellmann: yeh, honestly, people can fix unit tests fast, I'm not that concerned on that | 21:57 |
| dhellmann | and at least cinder doesn't want "alpha" releases in their requirements file, so they're not running their unit and integration tests with the same code | 21:57 |
| * dhellmann takes a screenshot so he can share that with the cinder team when their rcs break at the end of juno | 21:58 | |
| sdague | right, so this comes back to the other refrain, which is just release olso libraries a lot more often | 21:58 |
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| dhellmann | there is nothing magic about the alpha tag on the library now | 21:58 |
| dhellmann | we've done releases multiple times in a week | 21:58 |
| dhellmann | if no one uses it, what's the point? | 21:59 |
| sdague | there is | 21:59 |
| sdague | because pip treats it different | 21:59 |
| dhellmann | the quality of that code will not be any different if I remove the alpha, and that's what cinder is objecting to | 21:59 |
| sdague | and people treat it different | 21:59 |
| dhellmann | well, that's the intent | 21:59 |
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| dhellmann | we're developing now, right? isn't this the time to be testing all the stuff being developed together? | 22:00 |
| sdague | but why? no one tests pre release software, just release | 22:00 |
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| dhellmann | because it may break people doing CD for icehouse | 22:01 |
| sdague | but an alpha doesn't help them either, right? | 22:01 |
| sdague | if no one is testing things | 22:01 |
| dhellmann | well, I can't help whether or not they are testing now. I can help releasing a library that they automatically end up using. | 22:02 |
| sdague | I think the whole alpha path is based on an unrealistic assumption that traditional QA will be done here | 22:02 |
| sdague | which it will not | 22:02 |
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| dhellmann | I can't help whether people take advantage of the opportunity, but I don't want to refuse them the choice. | 22:03 |
| sdague | anyway, I do need to go make potato salad. Maybe I'm way off base in my ideas, you're living it, so you would know. But this is no longer just a technical problem, it's also a social problem. | 22:03 |
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| mtreinish | dhellmann: so I just tested it locally it looks like it works on the current oslo.config head | 22:12 |
| mtreinish | so the bug is probably already fixed | 22:13 |
| dhellmann | mtreinish: cool, I can do a release in the morning when I'll be around to watch for things to break | 22:13 |
| dhellmann | mtreinish: but we need to allow alphas in the global requirements before you'll be able to use it, I think | 22:13 |
| dhellmann | unless you're not pinned to that list? | 22:13 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: it's not :) | 22:13 |
| dhellmann | mtreinish: lucky you :-) | 22:14 |
| mtreinish | I'll just set it to oslo.config >= 1.4.0 | 22:14 |
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| mtreinish | well it's one of the perks of starting a side project that's not co-gating | 22:14 |
| dhellmann | alphas aren't >= the base number, though | 22:14 |
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| dhellmann | it looks like master is 1.4.0.0a3 already, so try that | 22:15 |
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| mtreinish | dhellmann: yeah it looks like that works http://paste.openstack.org/show/87846/ | 22:16 |
| dhellmann | \o/ | 22:17 |
| dhellmann | mtreinish: which version had the regression, then? | 22:17 |
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| mtreinish | dhellmann: it probably wasn't a regression, just broken until some point after 1.3.0 | 22:18 |
| dhellmann | mtreinish: ah, ok | 22:19 |
| mtreinish | because 1.3.0 and 1.2.* don | 22:19 |
| mtreinish | 't work | 22:19 |
| dhellmann | ah, ok, so it's a bug fixed in the 1.4 series, got it | 22:19 |
| mtreinish | and my workstation has 1.3.0.$(git hash installed) | 22:19 |
| mtreinish | and that worked | 22:19 |
| dhellmann | I thought it was a regression in an earlier alpha for 1.4 | 22:19 |
| dhellmann | got it | 22:19 |
| mtreinish | nah, I just misread the version string on my workstation. Sorry for the confusion | 22:20 |
| mtreinish | it'd be nice to backport whatever fixes it into a non-alpha release, but I don't know how that works for you guys | 22:20 |
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| mtreinish | dhellmann: heh, it helps to read git logs :): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/75805/ | 22:22 |
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| dhellmann | mtreinish: we would backport it to the stable/icehouse branch and release a 1.3.1, but if you can use the alpha then that seems like a better solution -- I don't have a enough reviewers for lots of backports | 22:25 |
| dhellmann | mtreinish: heh, I approved that fix and had no memory of it :-) | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: heh, I'm stable-maint :) so I can help. I just feel dirty listing alpha versions in requirements files | 22:26 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: is there a way I can do an or >1.3.0 and the alpha version? | 22:26 |
| dhellmann | mtreinish: if 1.3.0 doesn't work... | 22:27 |
| mtreinish | something like oslo.config>1.3.0,1.4.0.0a3 | 22:28 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that would allow the alpha but if 1.3.0 doesn't work then why include it? | 22:28 |
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| mtreinish | well it's >1.3.0, not >=1.3.0 | 22:29 |
| dhellmann | ah, ok | 22:29 |
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| dhellmann | I think what you have is a valid way to express the requirement if you don't want to just say >=1.4.0.0a3 | 22:30 |
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| mtreinish | dhellmann: well, I'm still hoping for the 1.3.1 with the backport :) | 22:32 |
| dhellmann | sigh | 22:32 |
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| mtreinish | I'm just giving you a hard time, if you say that's not realistic, I'll just do >=1.4.0.0a3 | 22:33 |
| mtreinish | I didn't know that would work, I haven't played with the wheels much | 22:33 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that syntax allows the alpha releases and you won't have to bump it to get 1.4 later | 22:34 |
| mtreinish | ok, that should work then. Thanks | 22:34 |
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| flwang | greetings, may get any attention from core members about this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99514/ ? | 22:36 |
| flwang | it has got a lot of +1, since 2 months ago | 22:36 |
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| SlickNik | dtroyer / sdague: Can I get you guys to look at a quick devstack lib/trove fix when you get a chance https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107187/? Thanks! | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | flwang: reviewed | 22:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed a change to openstack-infra/subunit2sql: Bump oslo.config version https://review.openstack.org/109140 | 22:53 |
| flwang | mtreinish: as for your 3rd comment about the acl change, did you mean we can just remove it? | 22:57 |
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| flwang | or I should change the user to download it? | 22:57 |
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| jogo | sdague: ^ needs a bit more testing but the basics are working | 23:04 |
| jogo | jeblair: ^ | 23:04 |
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| jeblair | jogo: cool; i'm a bit distracted now but am excited | 23:05 |
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| sdague | SlickNik: if that's a function of the setup of specific tests, it should be in those test setups, and probably not devstack itself | 23:30 |
| SlickNik | sdague: It's required for a subset of trove guest functionality (i.e. root-user) to work correctly. | 23:31 |
| SlickNik | sdague: It's a weird case where that value needs to be different on the guest-agent conf, and the task-manager conf for the afore-said functionality to work. | 23:31 |
| SlickNik | sdague: The default works correctly for the task-manager, but the guest-agent needs to override it in the conf. | 23:32 |
| sdague | SlickNik: so I really think we need to have the functional test setup do that bit of config then | 23:32 |
| sdague | anyway, it's end of day, my brain is pretty fried from doing circles with the grenade stuff earlier. But maybe can look tomorrow | 23:33 |
| sdague | but we do have to remember that devstack isn't just the system for gate testing, it's about target dev environment, so if this is something very specific for very specific tests, they should probably set that. Otherwise the coupling really causes issues down the road. | 23:34 |
| SlickNik | sdague: Understandable. :) It's not super-urgent. | 23:34 |
| SlickNik | sdague: Perhaps I didn't explain it well enough. The root-user API is broken without it, even for users of devstack. | 23:35 |
| SlickNik | sdague: It was just the functional tests that surfaced the issue. | 23:35 |
| SlickNik | sdague: Perhaps I should make this clearer in the commit message. | 23:36 |
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| SlickNik | sdague: Will update the commit message with this info to make it clearer. Will catch up with you tomorrow, and we can chat about it later. | 23:38 |
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| sdague | ok, is there a reason this can't be defaults? | 23:38 |
| sdague | that's the other thing I typically push back on, if nothing works without a specific config, then why isn't that a default | 23:39 |
| SlickNik | sdague: If I change the default — the taskmanager breaks | 23:39 |
| sdague | ok, well probably explain in heavy detail in the commit message then. | 23:39 |
| sdague | jogo: that approach above is pretty error prone, and I don't think will work | 23:40 |
| sdague | however.... | 23:40 |
| SlickNik | So this value needs to be different on the taskmanager and the guest, for the API to work correctly, and the default can only be set to one of the two values required. | 23:40 |
| sdague | ok, this all seems like crazy pants :) | 23:40 |
| sdague | but explain in the commit message, and assume I don't know anything about trove :) | 23:40 |
| sdague | jogo: however 'comment:\#NNNNNN' | 23:41 |
| sdague | is a useful search criteria in gerrit | 23:41 |
| SlickNik | sdague: Will do - thanks for taking a peek! | 23:41 |
| sdague | jogo: actually, it's message: | 23:41 |
| sdague | jogo: I left the comments in the review for when you return | 23:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: add query for cinder encryption-type-list failure https://review.openstack.org/108472 | 23:58 |
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