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| jogo | clarkb: yes | 00:20 |
| jogo | that is exactly it | 00:20 |
| jogo | plus the uuid and a few other bits | 00:20 |
| clarkb | jogo: thanks, that doesn't seem super cloudy | 00:20 |
| jogo | clarkb: not at all! | 00:21 |
| jogo | clarkb: so I think we need to stop releasing libraries (oslo and python-*client) that are uncapped on stable/juno global-reqs | 00:21 |
| clarkb | ya Ithought there was a whole thread on that | 00:23 |
| clarkb | and basically the decision was to do ^ | 00:23 |
| jogo | yeah but until all the bits are in place we keep getting broken | 00:24 |
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| jogo | mtreinish: ohh no site packages \o/ | 00:30 |
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| adam_g | sdague, sorry, was travelling yesterday. not sure context here: <sdague> 22:09:12> adam_g: are you picking this patch stack back up? | 08:38 |
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| gmann | dkranz: regrading https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145055/3/tempest/api/compute/admin/test_servers.py | 10:35 |
| gmann | dkranz: how about testing list server with tenant-id where it can return some servers, to confirm whether tenantAll option works fine? | 10:37 |
| gmann | dkranz: or is it fine as it is. m ok with existing one too. | 10:44 |
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| cdent | it's never worked for me before | 13:56 |
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| adam_g | jamielennox, around? | 14:11 |
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| xavileon | hi, we are seeing intermitent timeouts while running tempest tests in parallel (serial is ok) on a devstack juno deployment. The funny thing is that a branch we had from december works perfectly, but after a merge we did last week, these timeouts in parallel mode started to appear... | 14:26 |
| xavileon | is anyone seeing something like this? | 14:27 |
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| itzikb | masayukig: ping | 15:37 |
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| itzikb | mtreinish: Can you please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139979/? | 15:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed openstack/tempest-lib: Migrate skip_tracker.py from tempest https://review.openstack.org/152338 | 15:44 |
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| cdent | kashyap: I think we've talked about this before, but I'm not sure we resolved it: Have you got a working devstack+neutron config for a fedora 21 machine with just one nic? | 15:51 |
| cdent | now that neutron is the default I figure I ought to get past the ongoing problems I've been having with that config | 15:51 |
| kashyap | cdent, At a conference now, but good timing, as I just opened my laptop | 15:51 |
| cdent | :) | 15:51 |
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| kashyap | cdent, That's what I use, with Neutron -- https://kashyapc.fedorapeople.org/virt/openstack/minimal_devstack_localrc.conf | 15:52 |
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| cdent | kashyap: is your host a vm or a physical machine? one or more nics | 15:53 |
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| kashyap | cdent, DevStack runs in a VM, and the Nova instances are via nested virt | 15:54 |
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| cdent | it must be something weird about me being on bare metal | 15:56 |
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| kashyap | cdent, Yeah, | 15:58 |
| cdent | meh :) | 15:58 |
| kashyap | Just run it on a VM, and use internal snapshots of qcow2, | 15:58 |
| kashyap | It's a much more faster workflow | 15:58 |
| cdent | that would be fine except that the problem I'm trying to solve is: running devstack on fedora baremetal | 15:59 |
| cdent | that's the goal, not the starting point | 15:59 |
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| kashyap | Err, in my head, this is stuck "DevStack is frelling awful to run on a Baremetal, it's just too messy and hacky" | 16:00 |
| kashyap | I mean, you just can't go back to a clean state (at-least I'm not confident about it) without rehosting the whole damn machine | 16:01 |
| cdent | yes, that's definitely true, but it _shouldn't_ be true | 16:01 |
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| kashyap | cdent, Well, true, as Daniel Berrange once said -- DevStack should be able to successfully run in a virtualenv | 16:01 |
| mtreinish | cdent: I normally just use the localrc from a neutron gate run and that almost always works for me (after enabling cloning and screen in it) | 16:06 |
| mtreinish | although it's been a while since I've done that on a physical machine | 16:06 |
| cdent | mtreinish: link? | 16:06 |
| mtreinish | cdent: http://logs.openstack.org/71/151071/1/gate/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full/389d954/logs/localrc.txt.gz | 16:07 |
| cdent | I'll give it a try and see where it goes. I suspect it will narrow it down to my machine not being prepared (network-wise) properly. | 16:07 |
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| cdent | mtreinish: where can I locate a description of the network setup of a gate node? | 16:10 |
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| mtreinish | cdent: iirc it varies depending on which cloud the slave is in | 16:12 |
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| adam_g | cdent, console.txt logs a ifconfig + route dump at the beginning | 16:16 |
| cdent | thanks adam_g | 16:16 |
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| openstackrecheck | openstack/horizon change: https://review.openstack.org/152314 failed because of: gate-grenade-dsvm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1286818 | 16:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack-dev/devstack: Stop neutron services more explicitly https://review.openstack.org/152603 | 16:24 |
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| mtreinish | cdent: ^^^ heh, I really like that to stop neutron we have to manually kill the dnsmasq processes with SIGKILL. | 16:27 |
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| cdent | I wasn't happy looking at that part but left it as it was because until I have an actually running installation it seems unwise to fiddling with such things | 16:28 |
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| mriedem | blarg | 16:39 |
| mriedem | mtreinish: i need help | 16:39 |
| mriedem | mtreinish: i want to find any hits in logstash on nova unit test class nova.tests.unit.objects.test_instance.TestRemoteInstanceObject but not specific test methods, just to see if any failed | 16:40 |
| mriedem | i'm failing at logstash | 16:40 |
| mriedem | was trying: message:"nova.tests.unit.objects.test_instance.TestRemoteInstanceObject" AND tags:"console" | 16:40 |
| mriedem | but that doesn't hit | 16:40 |
| mriedem | if i add the test case it works | 16:40 |
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| mtreinish | mriedem: wait the more specific query hits, but the more general does not? | 16:42 |
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| mriedem | mtreinish: yeah, | 16:44 |
| mriedem | i've seen that many times with just unit test runs or trying to get specific hits on test case subunit output like that | 16:44 |
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| mtreinish | mriedem: I'm getting the same thing this is kinda weird | 16:49 |
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| mtreinish | oh, it might be the periods, I don't know how the search works but if it only does word matching because the test_id doesn't have whitespace it thinks it's one work | 16:49 |
| mtreinish | s/work/word/ | 16:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Wiegley proposed openstack-dev/devstack: Copy neutron service conf files into NEUTRON_CONF_DIR https://review.openstack.org/151862 | 17:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Scheuring proposed openstack/tempest: Add sec-grp-rule for ipv6-icmp to enable ping6 between instances https://review.openstack.org/152619 | 17:09 |
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| mriedem | mtreinish: yeah the periods are what i was thinking was the problem | 17:23 |
| mriedem | mtreinish: trying wildcards instead | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | mriedem: I tried that it didn't work for me (but I probably screwed it up) | 17:26 |
| mtreinish | I was reading the elasticsearch query dsl guide I was going to give the fuzzy search or regexp stuff a try, but I'm not sure how use them from kibana | 17:26 |
| mriedem | message:nova.tests.unit.objects.test_instance.TestRemoteInstanceObject* AND message:"FAILED" AND tags:"console" AND build_name:"gate-nova-python27" | 17:27 |
| mtreinish | mriedem: cool, that did it | 17:28 |
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| mtreinish | oh I had quotes around the message I guess that doesn't work | 17:28 |
| mriedem | mtreinish: yeah wildcards don't work with quotes | 17:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nicolas Simonds proposed openstack-dev/devstack: Add the ability to install/enable Heat plugins https://review.openstack.org/149055 | 18:05 |
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| jamielennox | adam_g: here now - what's up? | 18:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack-dev/devstack: Workflow documentation is now in infra-manual https://review.openstack.org/139408 | 18:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Flavio Fernandes proposed openstack-dev/devstack: Add param for turning on debug logs on opendaylight's net-virt https://review.openstack.org/146204 | 18:49 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: hey - are you around? | 19:27 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: yeah, what's up | 19:35 |
| mtreinish | oh I forgot to finish reviewing the lib auth stuff | 19:35 |
| mtreinish | I'll do that now | 19:35 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: Ken'ichi raised a question there, whether we shall / will migrate the cred_provider / accounts stuff (and tenant isolation I'd say) to tempest-lib | 19:36 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: I don't remember if we discussed that before, I think it is not planned for kilo at least? | 19:37 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: yeah we discussed that in paris during the tempest auth session, we decided not to do the cred provider stuff | 19:37 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: ok I'll wait for your comments then before pushing a new patchset | 19:37 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: uff my memory is short :( | 19:37 |
| mtreinish | we might in L or at a future point, but at least for now that was outside the scope of what we wanted to migrate | 19:38 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: ok thanks | 19:38 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: heh, no worries. I'm not sure we wrote it down anywhere. I'll ask dmorita if he wrote it down | 19:38 |
| sdague | sc68cal / dtroyer so what's the incantation for single node devstack/neutron with only one physical interface, and no interface is eth0/eth1 ? | 19:39 |
| mtreinish | oh and I still need him to push those images from that session into the tempest docs | 19:39 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: yes it would be nice to have them in the doc :) | 19:42 |
| mtreinish | I'm thinking we could wait until after the migration and I'll ask him to update them for that :) | 19:43 |
| sc68cal | sdague: the incantation is "DON'T DO THAT" ;) | 19:47 |
| sc68cal | I've never been able to get a compute node to work correctly with just one interface with Neutron | 19:48 |
| sdague | sc68cal: ok, that's kind of an issue for being the default | 19:48 |
| sc68cal | sdague: I think emagana had a guide for it, let me dig up the link | 19:49 |
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| sc68cal | found it - https://github.com/emagana/OpenStack-Icehouse-Install-Guide/blob/master/OpenStack-Icehouse-Installation.rst | 19:49 |
| mtreinish | sdague: don't the hp cloud gate nodes only have one iface? | 19:49 |
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| sc68cal | that uses one interface | 19:49 |
| sdague | sc68cal: it would also be really nice if the lib/neutron and ovs plugin we more documented on why they were doing what they were doing, because it's a ton of ovs-ctl magic which is definitely not something I'd expect most linux people to know | 19:50 |
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| sc68cal | sdague: agree - lots of ovs-vsctl magic | 19:51 |
| sc68cal | hopefully the networking guide will help clarify, but I'll put that on my list of things to ensure are documented | 19:51 |
| sc68cal | we may need some magic to remove the IP address from eth0, then add the IP to the br-ex device when neutron comes up | 19:52 |
| sc68cal | then attach eth0 to br-ex via ovs-vsctl | 19:53 |
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| sc68cal | in devstack | 19:53 |
| clarkb | mtreinish: yes I think thats correct and I don't see us doing anything magical in the localrc for those jobs | 19:53 |
| sdague | yeh, so we need to figure out a way for that to work out of the box, because from what I can see we've now actually made devstack no longer be a just work thing because the default neutron path here doesn't actually come up without a ton of other understanding | 19:55 |
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| clarkb | sdague: any idea how it is working in the gate? | 19:56 |
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| openstackrecheck | openstack/horizon change: https://review.openstack.org/123550 failed because of: gate-tempest-dsvm-full: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1286818, gate-tempest-dsvm-postgres-full: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1286818 | 20:01 |
| sdague | not really. the ovs-vsctl commands are mostly magic to me | 20:01 |
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| clarkb | one thing we do do is set the ip ranges to be non overlapping with the existing interface | 20:02 |
| clarkb | and that interface may be named eth0 which maybe makes a difference? | 20:02 |
| sdague | might be, I'd expect that if there was an implicit eth0 dependency it would be in a variable that could be overridden | 20:03 |
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| sdague | because, for instance, my dev box is em1 for it's physical interface | 20:03 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: heh, it could be worse one of my box's interface got labelled enp0s20u3u1 :) | 20:06 |
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| sc68cal | Is the fact that we're using a single interface a policy decision or a limitation of the nodes we get? Because most production deployment scenarios are using multiple interfaces | 20:10 |
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| sc68cal | usually one interfaces is API plane, one is dataplane, and one is for management | 20:10 |
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| sdague | sc68cal: this is about the random dev use case | 20:12 |
| sdague | not about the test harness side | 20:12 |
| sdague | if we want this to remain the default in devstack, we need a single interface story. Lots of people run devstack on random old laptops or single interface vbox guests to get a flavor of openstack. | 20:14 |
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| sc68cal | ok | 20:17 |
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| sc68cal | sdague: do we have a bug to track single interface req? | 20:23 |
| sdague | not that I know of, I'm trying to unwind my environment to figure out why all the guests are in ERROR states. It might not be neutron's fault. | 20:24 |
| sdague | but the single interface case is important | 20:24 |
| sc68cal | agree | 20:25 |
| sc68cal | I'll launch a vanilla virtualbox VM to play catchup with you. I have a pretty complex vagrant setup that does a lot of scaffolding around devstack to replicate production-like networking environments | 20:25 |
| sc68cal | i.e. multiple interfaces ;) | 20:26 |
| sdague | :) | 20:26 |
| sc68cal | actually I'm dumb - I should just use the openstack/devstack-vagrant | 20:27 |
| clarkb | http://logs.openstack.org/90/151690/2/check/check-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full/b7d2e19/console.html confirmed that hpcloud instances have lo interface and eth0 interface and neutron runs on them | 20:27 |
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| sdague | clarkb: ok, good to know | 20:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed openstack/qa-specs: Update the template to add section for projects https://review.openstack.org/152668 | 20:28 |
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| * dtroyer catching up | 20:40 | |
| dtroyer | I thought part of the discussion was to use linuxbridge as the default | 20:40 |
| sdague | well it's not now for sue | 20:41 |
| dtroyer | I forgot to check that | 20:41 |
| sdague | I'd be fine with that | 20:41 |
| dtroyer | damn | 20:41 |
| sdague | dtroyer: you want to post a patch | 20:41 |
| dtroyer | so there is my afternoon…yes | 20:41 |
| clarkb | ya it looks like ovs with ml2 plugin is what the gate does at least | 20:42 |
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| sdague | clarkb: yeh, so that's kind of super complicated for the base devstack case | 20:56 |
| sdague | linux bridges are a thing I expect people that know linux understand... ovs... not so much | 20:57 |
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| sdague | and we don't provide much assistance there | 20:57 |
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| dougwig | hi qa, looking for a second core devstack review for splitting neutron config files: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/151862/ | 21:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed openstack/qa-specs: WIP: The QA program in the big tent https://review.openstack.org/152683 | 21:16 |
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| jogo | clarkb: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/151690/2 didn't fail on shelve | 21:22 |
| jogo | so running experimental again | 21:23 |
| clarkb | jogo: ok | 21:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean M. Collins proposed openstack-dev/devstack: Increase the suggested minimum ram to 4gb https://review.openstack.org/152686 | 21:25 |
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| sc68cal | ^ http://i.imgur.com/PXNMoBj.jpg | 21:28 |
| mtreinish | sc68cal: hahaha | 21:29 |
| clarkb | I rmember when it only needed 1 | 21:29 |
| mfalatic | LOL | 21:29 |
| sc68cal | I can't remember how much it needed during the essex era | 21:29 |
| sc68cal | I think ~1GB, possibly a little more | 21:30 |
| clarkb | essex would've been 1GB | 21:30 |
| clarkb | it was swift, nova, glance, keystone then iirc | 21:30 |
| sc68cal | yup | 21:30 |
| mtreinish | clarkb: yeah that sounds right (although it was before my involvement on things) | 21:30 |
| clarkb | mtreinish: my first cloud was diablo on my htpc | 21:31 |
| openstackrecheck | Console logs not available after 13:27s for gate-nova-python27 149828,14,e8b489b | 21:31 |
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| sc68cal | honestly this world with monster laptops that have 16gb of ram makes my head spin | 21:32 |
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| dims | sc68cal: 640K should be enough? :) | 21:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zengfa Gao proposed openstack/tempest: Add a test for network connectivity between VMs on two different tenant networks. https://review.openstack.org/152694 | 21:53 |
| sc68cal | dims: :) | 21:53 |
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| clarkb | jogo: https://jenkins04.openstack.org/job/check-tempest-dsvm-aiopcpu/38/consoleFull that is still failing. I wonder if the nova change just destablizes these other jobs because multinode is pretty stable other than shelve otherwise | 22:04 |
| clarkb | or was I suppose it could be some recent change that is breaking it | 22:04 |
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| jogo | clarkb: yeah interesting | 22:23 |
| jogo | two different tests failed | 22:23 |
| jogo | tempest.scenario.test_minimum_basic.TestMinimumBasicScenario.test_minimum_basic_scenario[ | 22:24 |
| jogo | tempest.scenario.test_snapshot_pattern.TestSnapshotPattern.test_snapshot_pattern | 22:24 |
| jogo | clarkb: gate looks fairly stable so it may be this patch is making things worse | 22:25 |
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| jogo | clarkb: I wonder if the rootwrap issue ism aking this worse | 22:28 |
| clarkb | that seems possible | 22:30 |
| clarkb | we should have a pbr fix out soon so hopefully we will know then | 22:31 |
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| jogo | I don't see any timeouts hmm | 22:32 |
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| mestery | mriedem: Missed your comments in the cross project meeting, had to duck out on short notice, dealing with a kid who has the flu :( | 22:41 |
| mriedem | mestery: that's fine, was just wondering if neutron cores had any high level thoughts on the patches posted in juno for the tenant deletion stuff, since neutron is the only project i saw in the bug report that had some code posted | 22:44 |
| mriedem | mestery: that could also be relayed back into the ML thread, | 22:44 |
| mriedem | since discussion was cutoff due to time and this will probably come back next week | 22:44 |
| mfalatic | Re: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149769 - Is F20 going to be a supported Devstack release by the time Kilo drops? Looks like F21 will drop around the same time as Kilo and F20 will be EOL a month later. | 22:45 |
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| mfalatic | ianw: you mentioned this in the review comment. I'm inclined to keep the comment in place, though I do agree that F21 (vs F20) is worth noting. | 22:46 |
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| mfalatic | dtroyer: WHat're your thoughts on this? | 22:47 |
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| dtroyer | mfalatic: our general approach for fedora is last two releases, with an informal period of overlap during the transitions around releases, so sometimes there will be 3 for a while. | 22:50 |
| mfalatic | I agree, but F20 will be EOL in June. | 22:50 |
| dtroyer | I try not to get in a hurry removing things because a lot of us devs don't run on the bleeding edge | 22:51 |
| mfalatic | Fair enough, then I will leave it with F20. | 22:51 |
| dtroyer | mfalatic: I don't care about EOL now. is there a problem not removing it immediately? | 22:51 |
| mfalatic | dtroyer: It came up in a review comment from ianw. I am happy to keep it at F20 for now. | 22:52 |
| dtroyer | so f21 is current? | 22:53 |
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| ianw | we can say whatever we want about support, but the reality is that f21 and centos7 are testing the master branch | 22:54 |
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| ianw | if it's not being tested, it's just as likely to be broken as not | 22:55 |
| dtroyer | are they working? I stll see quite a few (non-voting) falures for both | 22:55 |
| ianw | dtroyer: there's been some bit rot, and i've been on PTO. working through the issues | 22:55 |
| mfalatic | I would lean towards making it F21. | 22:56 |
| dtroyer | What I am saying re the f20 discussion is that we will keep the last two releases in mind for patching, etc. with some kind of overlap around releases | 22:57 |
| mfalatic | Hmm. | 22:57 |
| mfalatic | Then we're back to the 12.04 problem, no? | 22:57 |
| mfalatic | and 12.04 is also going EOL. | 22:57 |
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| dtroyer | this is why I stopped using Fedora a long time ago for other stuff BTW… | 22:57 |
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| clarkb | 12.04 has until april 2017 iirc | 22:57 |
| jogo | dtroyer clarkb fungi: woops https://review.openstack.org/152704 | 22:57 |
| mfalatic | (or is that different?) And yeah, there's that. | 22:57 |
| dtroyer | we're off 12.04, but notice that we didn't do it two months after 13.03 came out | 22:58 |
| dtroyer | err, 14.04 | 22:58 |
| mfalatic | Well, we're n-minus-none for Ubuntu... | 22:58 |
| mfalatic | and n-1 for Fedora. | 22:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Zengfa Gao proposed openstack/tempest: Add a test for network connectivity between two tenant networks https://review.openstack.org/152694 | 22:59 |
| mfalatic | (Considering LTS releases for Ubuntu) | 22:59 |
| dtroyer | Ubuntu is last LTS plus last release. again with overlaps because we can't all change over that quickly | 22:59 |
| mfalatic | But Ubuntu rels are much longer-lived. | 23:00 |
| dtroyer | yeah, that's a big part of the attraction | 23:00 |
| mfalatic | Fair enough... then 14.04 and F20 are fair enough. | 23:00 |
| mfalatic | (and if we shift away from F20 then it shouldn't take that much work to update two files to say F21, eh? | 23:01 |
| mfalatic | Which leads to my next question... how much is involved in getting this merged? | 23:01 |
| dtroyer | right, but based on our (my) history of updating those, it'll be to f22. that's why I needed to get the docs into the repo last year ;) | 23:02 |
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| dtroyer | docs merges are easy, but when there are nit-picky arguments about thigs like this I usually wait until people stop complaining. I'll go have another look. | 23:02 |
| mfalatic | Because backlog/other work or because it sits in workflow. | 23:02 |
| mfalatic | gotcha. | 23:03 |
| dtroyer | because attitude | 23:03 |
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| mfalatic | :-/ | 23:03 |
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| mfalatic | If we waited for every argument to come to full consensus before merging we'd never ship anything... it's the nature of fast-paced development (with due caution just the same) | 23:05 |
| dtroyer | jogo: +2 I don't even know wtf -= is supposed to mean there | 23:05 |
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| clarkb | dtroyer: it means match the last .X | 23:07 |
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| mtreinish | clarkb: seriously, that's obvious | 23:08 |
| jogo | dtroyer: so you can match compatible releases | 23:09 |
| jogo | but we don't do that ;) | 23:09 |
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| ianw | dtroyer: if you've got time, i'd like to understand where you're heading with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/151812/ a bit better | 23:12 |
| openstackrecheck | openstack/swift change: https://review.openstack.org/152644 failed because of: gate-tempest-dsvm-full: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1344513 | 23:12 |
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| dtroyer | ianw: imagine an unloly marriage of https://review.openstack.org/151513 and https://review.openstack.org/148442. | 23:16 |
| dtroyer | first step is put the CLIs into a venv, then the services in another one | 23:16 |
| dtroyer | I'm breaking down the bits that will be easier to backport because this all needs to get back to stable/icehouse | 23:17 |
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| ianw | dtroyer: hmm, interesting | 23:26 |
| ianw | dtroyer: re https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150747/2 -- maybe let's define a default for yum in functions-common | 23:28 |
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| dtroyer | ianw: I think this might be a case where that is the least evil option | 23:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ian Wienand proposed openstack-dev/devstack: Add default for YUM https://review.openstack.org/152729 | 23:31 |
| ianw | dtroyer: ^ please decide between that and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150747/2 | 23:31 |
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| mfalatic | How are devstack operations ordered? Default then local.conf in order written (knocking out any that were disabled before executing them in sequence)? | 23:38 |
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| mfalatic | (it may be a trivial question but I just wanted to make sure) | 23:40 |
| dtroyer | mfalatic: are you asking about service order? | 23:40 |
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| mfalatic | Yep | 23:46 |
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| dtroyer | stack.sh runs the whole show. the shebang line at the top of most of the lib/* and other files is to make various syntax highlighters work. We've decided that all directly-executable scripts should end with .sh | 23:48 |
| mfalatic | Ok | 23:48 |
| dtroyer | things are gouped by phase, where the default variables are set, source installed, configurations set, and service started | 23:49 |
| dtroyer | each phase also has a callout to the scripts in extras.d, that's how the plugins work | 23:49 |
| dtroyer | those are ordered by the filesystem, hence the SysVinit-style names | 23:50 |
| mfalatic | Ah, ok... that makes sense. | 23:50 |
| mfalatic | Pondering how one would run a service that requires another service to be staged but not yet launched... | 23:51 |
| mfalatic | (not even sure there would be a way other than brute force but that's what led to my question. | 23:51 |
| dtroyer | in the past we abused the plugins for that (one reason they were developed). Ceph would be an example of that | 23:52 |
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| dtroyer | sdague is kicking around a separate thing for 'system services' that we would conver the db and mq to use, it would also be pluggable | 23:52 |
| dtroyer | so, based on what I recall from helping Sam, you would have a system service plugin to get your daemons running, then anything else would be handled by extras.d, or more likely both of those would be in an external repo | 23:54 |
| mfalatic | That gives me an idea of how this might work then - thanks! | 23:55 |
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