Monday, 2015-12-21

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openstackgerritMatthew Treinish proposed openstack/openstack-health: Properly display missing data in run graphs  https://review.openstack.org/25964600:55
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openstackgerritGhanshyam Mann proposed openstack/tempest: Add logic to select the request microversion  https://review.openstack.org/24443901:46
openstackgerritGhanshyam Mann proposed openstack/tempest: Add set microversion in base compute service client  https://review.openstack.org/25886801:48
openstackgerritGhanshyam Mann proposed openstack/tempest: Add support of schema versioning for microversion  https://review.openstack.org/24497401:48
openstackgerritGhanshyam Mann proposed openstack/tempest: Add tests for Nova microversion v2.2  https://review.openstack.org/24499601:48
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openstackgerritGhanshyam Mann proposed openstack/tempest: Make volume volume_client to use **kwargs-part1  https://review.openstack.org/25627102:16
openstackgerritGhanshyam Mann proposed openstack/tempest: Make volume volume_client to use **kwargs-part2  https://review.openstack.org/25924902:16
openstackgerritGhanshyam Mann proposed openstack/tempest: Make volume snapshots_client to use **kwargs  https://review.openstack.org/25622702:21
r-mibugmann, ping02:22
gmannr-mibu: hi02:23
r-mibuhi02:23
r-mibucould you review my ptach?02:23
r-mibuhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/255161/02:23
r-mibui guess you already awer this02:23
r-mibus/awer/aware/02:24
gmannr-mibu: sure, i will check in afternoon02:24
r-mibuthanks02:24
gmannr-mibu: just question, which project you are trying the plugin?02:25
r-mibuceilometer02:25
r-mibuand aodh02:25
openstackgerritZongKai LI proposed openstack-dev/grenade: Upgrade all rootwrap filters for Neutron  https://review.openstack.org/25875802:25
r-mibuaodh is alarming function split from ceilometer in liberty02:25
gmannmtreinish: quick one for lib version - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259269/02:25
gmannr-mibu: cool. do you have patches up for them or need to submit?02:26
gmannr-mibu: i can have look in case anything needed there02:26
r-mibugmann: already in gerrit02:26
gmannr-mibu: ok, great. i will check.Thanks02:26
r-mibulink https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/tempest-plugin,n,z02:27
r-mibugmann: thanks in advance!02:27
gmannr-mibu: np!02:28
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openstackgerritGhanshyam Mann proposed openstack/tempest: Update global-requirement for tempest-lib  https://review.openstack.org/25926902:47
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openstackgerritGhanshyam Mann proposed openstack/tempest: Use floating_ips_client from tempest-lib  https://review.openstack.org/25982602:51
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openstackgerritGhanshyam Mann proposed openstack/tempest: Use Tempest-lib's compute security_group_rules_client  https://review.openstack.org/25983303:48
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openstackgerritGhanshyam Mann proposed openstack/tempest: Use Tempest-lib's compute server_groups_client  https://review.openstack.org/25983604:01
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openstackgerritGhanshyam Mann proposed openstack/tempest: Use servers_client from tempest-lib  https://review.openstack.org/25984105:21
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openstackgerritKen'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack-dev/devstack: Add FILTERS for customizing filters  https://review.openstack.org/25888205:29
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openstackgerritKen'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Enable SameHostFilter and DifferentHostFilter  https://review.openstack.org/25984305:53
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openstackgerritAnusha Ramineni proposed openstack/tempest: create_server: pass arguments as part of kwargs  https://review.openstack.org/25985906:59
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openstackgerritFelixLi proposed openstack/tempest: Splitting clients into client groups in manager.py  https://review.openstack.org/25416007:01
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openstackgerritKen'ichi Ohmichi proposed openstack/tempest: Split out Neutron agents client  https://review.openstack.org/25776407:05
andreafmkoderer: I started working on moving clients data to a singleton, so that it can be loaded once, together with test discovery07:10
andreafmkoderer: however there some metadata I need for the client group, and I wonder where should I get that from07:10
andreafmkoderer: perhaps we could add a static dict to the __init__ of the client group module07:11
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andreafmkoderer: and I also wonder where that info should be static or discovered07:24
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andreafmkoderer: the group name is easy, the list of service clients could be discovered I guess, and I still wonder whether it should be really modules as now, or strings with the name of modules - using a string would delay the import as well, but I'm not sure there's much value in that, unless service clients do wrong things in the class definition part07:27
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openstackgerritGhanshyam Mann proposed openstack/tempest: Make volume volume_client to use **kwargs-part1  https://review.openstack.org/25627107:29
openstackgerritGhanshyam Mann proposed openstack/tempest: Make volume volume_client to use **kwargs-part2  https://review.openstack.org/25924907:33
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gmannandreaf: need to look into refactoring thing but 1 question07:35
gmannandreaf: same instance of clients will be shared among tests?07:36
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dmelladooomichi: aware of that + I need to quickly change some stuff too07:41
dmelladowill be submitting a PS within some minutes07:41
oomichidmellado: sorry, I cannot follow you. what mean?07:41
dmelladoon your -1 in the users_client07:41
dmelladohttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/255385/07:42
oomichidmellado: my latest review?07:42
dmelladoyep please don't merge until I upload the next PS will be also modifying a behavior of the class there07:42
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oomichidmellado: ok, I am waiting for the next patch07:48
dmelladothanks oomichi, + I'll also have to rebase the removal from botoclients07:48
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openstackgerritAnusha Ramineni proposed openstack/tempest: create_server: pass arguments as part of kwargs  https://review.openstack.org/25985908:05
openstackgerritBenny Kopilov proposed openstack/tempest: This flag was not supported by ice-house .  https://review.openstack.org/24405708:11
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openstackgerritBenny Kopilov proposed openstack/tempest: Config: change cinder bootable flag to True.  https://review.openstack.org/24405708:13
andreafgmann: no, the instancee of clients is different08:13
andreafgmann: the client manager stays one instance per set of credentials08:13
andreafgmann: so if a test uses 3 credentials, there are three client manager instances08:14
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andreafgmann: but the initial list of available clients, we discussed with mkoderer that it should be a singleton08:14
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andreafgmann: because that list may include clients coming from plugins - so we want to generate that list once and then re-use it in all instances of client managers08:15
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andreafgmann: I'm reworking the manager refactor to include support for this08:15
gmannandreaf: initial list you mean just static data(client name etc) but those will be instantiated separately per each Manager right?08:16
andreafgmann: right08:16
gmannandreaf: ok.08:17
gmannandreaf: i will check by tomorrow08:17
openstackgerritDaniel Mellado proposed openstack/tempest: Split users_client from keystone client v2.  https://review.openstack.org/25538508:17
gmannandreaf: btw i updated microversion patches - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/api-microversions-testing-support+status:open08:18
andreafgmann: cool thanks - anyways I'm doing some rework now, so I'll remove the WIP when it's ready08:18
andreafgmann: thanks I will review them08:18
gmannandreaf: sure08:18
gmannandreaf: Thanks08:18
gmannandreaf: you are putting all under topic "manager_split" right?08:19
gmannandreaf: with refactor spec update also08:19
andreafgmann: yes08:19
gmannandreaf: ok08:20
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jacky-zhanghi bochi-michael08:44
bochi-michaeljacky-zhang: hi08:45
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openstackgerritMarian Horban proposed openstack/tempest-lib: Added processing /compute URL for getting list of versions  https://review.openstack.org/24581508:54
openstackgerritMerged openstack/tempest: 'List volume type' comment has fixed  https://review.openstack.org/25811408:54
openstackgerritMerged openstack/tempest: Drop lock_path section from config guide  https://review.openstack.org/17797808:55
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mkodererandreaf: hi09:22
mkodererandreaf: I think module name should be fine09:23
mkodererandreaf: what other metadata do you have in mind09:23
andreafmkoderer: I'm changing things a bit to move aliases to the consumer side, and have require client group wide unique names only09:24
andreafmkoderer: because we cannot ask a plugin to define a client alias that is universally unique09:24
andreafmkoderer: but if I use names like manilla_shares_client, it's enough for shares_client to be unique within manila09:25
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andreafmkoderer: afk for 10min - sorry09:25
mkodererandreaf: I guess we can asume that plugin_name + client_name is unique enought09:27
mkodererandreaf: no worries.. my calender is also packed today :)09:27
openstackgerritMarc Koderer proposed openstack/tempest: WIP: Introduce data driven testing  https://review.openstack.org/22395309:28
andreafmkoderer: yes that was my assumption09:31
andreafmkoderer: the other bit of metadata I need is which parameters are required to initialise clients in the client group (or plugin if you will)09:32
andreafmkoderer: my assumption is that there is a set of parameters that are common to the entire group, and some parameters that are specific to one client09:33
mkodererandreaf: so you just give the chance to add some additional kwargs for each client09:34
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mkodererandreaf: I guess we should add a function here: https://github.com/openstack/tempest/blob/master/tempest/test_discover/plugins.py#L2709:35
andreafmkoderer: like in compute the servers_client has an extra attribute  enable_instance_password09:35
mkodererandreaf: to have a hook for the plugins to call your new class in order to register the client09:36
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mkodererandreaf: yep that's fine09:37
andreafmkoderer: oh, right I guess we could do it like that, I can have two register functions anyways, one for internal modules and one for plugins09:37
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openstackgerritMatthew Treinish proposed openstack/openstack-health: Fix mean runtime value on jobs page  https://review.openstack.org/25611215:47
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openstackrecheckopenstack/requirements change: https://review.openstack.org/259741 failed gate-grenade-dsvm-multinode in the gate queue with an unrecognized error15:57
openstackgerritMatthew Treinish proposed openstack/openstack-health: Add skips data to the jobs page  https://review.openstack.org/25611315:58
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openstackgerritAndrea Frittoli proposed openstack/tempest: Split the client manager in two parts.  https://review.openstack.org/25856616:10
openstackgerritAndrea Frittoli proposed openstack/tempest: Add a service client data store  https://review.openstack.org/26007616:10
openstackgerritAndrea Frittoli proposed openstack/tempest: Migrate compute client group to the new manager  https://review.openstack.org/26007716:10
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openstackgerritDean Troyer proposed openstack-dev/devstack: docs: Add additional configuration in Neutron guide  https://review.openstack.org/23778016:26
openstackgerritMatthew Treinish proposed openstack/openstack-health: Add skips data to the jobs page  https://review.openstack.org/25611316:27
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mtreinishsc68cal: on: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1498981 is that really a tempest bug?16:46
openstackLaunchpad bug 1498981 in tempest "Tempest connects using 127.0.0.1 when SERVICE_IP_VERSION=6" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Shuquan Huang (shuquan)16:46
mtreinishit looks like you want to change how things get configured when ipv6 is set in d-g16:46
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openstackgerritVasyl Saienko proposed openstack-dev/devstack: Introduce iniget_sections function  https://review.openstack.org/25629417:03
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openstackgerritRandall Burt proposed openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Add query for bug 1527483  https://review.openstack.org/26011917:15
openstackbug 1527483 in neutron "VPNaaS - No providers specified for 'VPN' service" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1527483 - Assigned to Martin Hickey (martin-hickey)17:15
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openstackgerritDmitry Tantsur proposed openstack/tempest: Make rebuild test optional in ironic  https://review.openstack.org/26012117:24
dtantsurjroll, ^^17:24
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jrollwhee, thanks17:25
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sc68calmtreinish: no, it's a devstack-gate bug17:31
openstackgerritSean M. Collins proposed openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Stop hard coding SERVICE_HOST  https://review.openstack.org/22911117:32
sc68calmtreinish: sorry, when I pushed a patch to fix I was dumb and didn't link to the bug in the commit message.17:34
mtreinishsc68cal: heh, no worries. jeepyb probably won't pick it up anyway because d-g doesn't map back to tempest17:40
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openstackgerritDmitry Tantsur proposed openstack/tempest: Stop testing rebuild for ironic  https://review.openstack.org/26012117:51
dtantsurjroll, mtreinish, I decided it's easier to remove the rebuild test for now ^^ and bring it back after we have an in-tree plugin17:51
jroll++17:51
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openstackrecheckopenstack-dev/devstack change: https://review.openstack.org/211808 failed gate-devstack-bashate in the gate queue with an unrecognized error18:08
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-health: Cut the date window for test pagess in half  https://review.openstack.org/25674218:09
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/tempest: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/25653418:15
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openstackrecheckopenstack/keystone change: https://review.openstack.org/230181 failed gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full in the gate queue with an unrecognized error18:33
openstackgerritYaroslav Lobankov proposed openstack/tempest: Fixing two tests when nova-net is enabled and run_validation = True  https://review.openstack.org/26015418:34
sc68calmtreinish: ack. Yeah I need to change the project the bug targets18:34
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openstackgerritYaroslav Lobankov proposed openstack/tempest: [V3] Renaming region_client into regions_client  https://review.openstack.org/25933118:39
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ylobankovmtreinish: Hi. Could you please take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260154/ ? It looks like your changes broke two tests :)18:43
mtreinishylobankov: heh, I could have sworn that we tested it before we merged it18:45
mtreinishoh, the job with validation turned on is neutron only18:45
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ylobankovmtreinish: yep. It is only for Neutron18:59
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dims_sc68cal : ianw : can one of you please take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260009/ (tox 2.3.1 breaking gate)19:16
sc68caldims_: cool19:17
sc68caldims_: I can +W that19:17
dims_sc68cal : thanks sean!19:18
sc68caldims_: thanks for fixing19:18
dims_i should thank for the quick review :)19:19
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openstackgerritRamy Asselin proposed openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Include query results in graph  https://review.openstack.org/26018819:42
asselinmtreinish, another interesting one ^^ I think it'll need some UI  refinement, but otherwise should be useful19:43
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mriedemmtreinish: i'm doing my part with the deprecation warnings... https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260186/19:51
mriedemi'll see you at the manila mid-cycle now that i'm an ATC19:52
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mtreinishmriedem: heh, Im not going to the manila midcycle19:58
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mkoderermtreinish: if you have some secs for reviews: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258873/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259321/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259925/19:59
mkodererjust some small ones :)20:00
mkoderermtreinish: ah and I added a spec about data driven testing20:00
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mtreinishmkoderer: sure, I'll take a look20:01
mkodererthx20:02
mtreinishmkoderer: also, if you get a sec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216303/4 is something thats been sitting for a while20:02
mtreinishand related to an open bp of yours from forever ago :)20:02
openstackgerritRamy Asselin proposed openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Include query results in graph  https://review.openstack.org/26018820:06
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mriedemoh wow the manila tests are not fast http://logs.openstack.org/86/260186/1/check/gate-manila-tempest-dsvm-neutron-scenario-multibackend/b942989/console.html#_2015-12-21_20_15_28_53720:55
mtreinishmriedem: heh, yeah those are slow20:56
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ianwsc68cal: i think it's time to move that into a separate script21:08
sc68calianw: move what into a separate script21:09
ianwsc68cal: sorry, just reading scrollback - the bashate invocation21:09
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sc68calianw: ah. yeah probably. you'd get my +2 on that, but I didn't want the good to be the enemy of the perfect21:10
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/tempest: Fix telemetry tests to use v1 create image correctly  https://review.openstack.org/25827121:17
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openstackgerritMerged openstack-dev/devstack: Do not fail with Tox 2.3.1  https://review.openstack.org/26000921:30
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/tempest: Add description for stress in tempest cli  https://review.openstack.org/25887321:31
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sc68calmtreinish: ianw: can you guys weigh in on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259385/ ?21:47
sc68calthe issue is we have a couple jobs that want to use the q-vpn service work in DevStack, which is currently a problem due to https://launchpad.net/bugs/152748321:48
openstackLaunchpad bug 1527483 in neutron "VPNaaS - No providers specified for 'VPN' service" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Martin Hickey (martin-hickey)21:48
sc68calit's basically heat and sahara21:48
sc68calhttp://paste.openstack.org/show/482455/21:48
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sc68calI'd rather see them move to using the devstack plugin for neutron-vpnaas21:48
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openstackgerritRamy Asselin proposed openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Include query results in graph  https://review.openstack.org/26018821:51
ianwsc68cal: i think while we've got q-vpn in there, we need to make sure it works21:51
ianwlooks like it's just fall-out from that autogen patch?21:51
sc68calianw: yep21:52
sc68calmy concern is we're already broken at the gate. so do we take the time to fix it by having them use the devstack plugin for vpnaas, or do we do it in a follow up21:53
sc68calor just do a temporary fix21:53
sc68calmy thinking was take the pain now and fix it, but it is the gate so maybe that's not reasonable21:54
sc68cal*fix it - meaning have those jobs start using the plugin21:54
sc68calianw: changed my vote and +A'd it21:56
openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Add query for bug 1527483  https://review.openstack.org/26011921:57
openstackbug 1527483 in neutron "VPNaaS - No providers specified for 'VPN' service" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1527483 - Assigned to Martin Hickey (martin-hickey)21:57
ianwsc68cal: i wouldn't take much to retire it, but we should at least try and do it gracefully, especially when devstack kind of broke it unintentionally21:58
sc68calianw: ack. I'll assign myself a bug for it since I opined about it21:59
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jbernardmriedem: for the nova/ceph tempest failures22:15
mriedemlike which ones?22:15
mriedemthe weighter thing?22:15
jbernardmriedem: this one for instance http://logs.openstack.org/14/258314/2/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-full-ceph/1222c6a/22:15
jbernardmriedem: that one is ebs_image_and_check_boot22:15
jbernardmriedem: which fails on occasion22:15
jbernardmriedem: i believe this occurs because https://github.com/openstack/tempest/blob/master/tempest/scenario/test_volume_boot_pattern.py#L16722:16
mriedemjbernard: that's a stable/liberty change22:16
mriedemjbernard: let me introduce you to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258695/22:16
jbernardmriedem: it is, but it also occurs on master22:16
mriedemit should be less frequent on master22:16
mriedemsince https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258118/22:16
jbernardmriedem: it is better, i just wanted to make sure my findings today are the same as what you're seeing22:16
mriedemlogstash also shows it dropped off22:17
mriedemhttp://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html#146425922:17
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mriedemnova still has problems in this code (races i mean), that's in the ML22:17
mriedemand on my todo list22:17
jbernardinteresting22:17
mriedemnamely, nova isn't waiting for detach to complete before it tries to delete the volume22:17
jbernardi still see it every once and awhile on my local env22:18
mriedembut that wouldn't cause that ebs test to fail22:18
mriedemit's just a problem with nova orphaning volumes22:18
jbernardso at https://github.com/openstack/tempest/blob/master/tempest/scenario/test_volume_boot_pattern.py#L16722:18
jbernardi believe the delete occurs while the instance is being created22:18
mriedemthere is definitely still a race in the test22:18
mriedemyes,22:18
jbernardand a voluem is left orphaned22:18
mriedemnova is trying to delete the volume at the same time that tempest is telling cinder to delete the snapshot22:18
mriedemif nova gets that done fast enough, great22:19
jbernardok, so this is not a different issue22:19
mriedemno, there is still a chance for a race here22:19
jbernardok, that's what i wanted to check22:19
mriedembut from logstash above, it looks like things are at least calming down on master22:19
jbernardi think we're getting lucky there, but ill take it ;)22:20
mriedemnow if nova starts waiting for volume detach to complete before doing volume delete, we might have problems22:20
mriedemyeah, me too22:20
jbernardmriedem: wrt liberty, is there anything i can do to help there?22:20
mriedemto remove the race, tempest would really have to add a waiter on the volume being deleted before deleting the snapshot22:20
mriedemjbernard: just review the backport22:20
jbernardthis one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258695/22:20
jbernardmriedem: ok, will do22:21
jbernardmriedem: thanks22:21
openstackgerritTim Buckley proposed openstack/openstack-health: Add global resolution, grouping key, and filter options.  https://review.openstack.org/23856322:21
mriedemi plan on looking at the orphaned volumes issue after the holidays22:22
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-health: Fix mean runtime value on jobs page  https://review.openstack.org/25611222:46
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mtreinishtimothyb89, jhesketh: another fast o-h patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256113/ to add the skip data to the jobs page22:49
timothyb89mtreinish: right, was just looking at that one22:49
mtreinishtimothyb89: cool22:49
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mtreinishmy only concern with it whether violet was a good color choice for the 3rd line22:50
mtreinishit's what I used on the stacked area graph on the per test page22:50
mtreinishbut lines are a little different22:50
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mtreinishmriedem_away: so we just dropped the boto tests from tempest. Would you prefer a tag as the commit right before the removal or the removal patch?22:53
timothyb89mtreinish: that color seems fine to me22:57
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jheskethmtreinish: lookgin23:28
tonybmtreinish: ping?23:29
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mtreinishtonyb: umm, is that a question?23:30
tonybmtreinish: yes it's "are you available?"23:31
mtreinishheh, ok23:31
tonybmtreinish: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/python-barbicanclient/tree/functionaltests/run_tests.sh?h=stable/kilo23:31
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tonybwhat is the *correct* way to run tempest in a venv so that I don't blow up in stable/kilo23:31
mtreinishoh, fun they use nose23:31
mtreinishthat won't work23:31
tonybhttp://logs.openstack.org/98/201198/4/check/gate-python-barbicanclient-devstack-dsvm-oldstable/b7a89b0/console.html#_2015-12-21_22_19_12_23423:32
mtreinishwell it might for their hacked together plugin tests, but tempest doesn't23:32
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mtreinishtonyb: thats because they're using oslo config >=2.0 with old code23:32
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mtreinishpost namespace removal23:32
tonybmtreinish: right g-r caps it correctly when you install barbicanclient but then they install tempest outside a venv and get the master caps23:33
mtreinishtonyb: tempest in a venv isn't any different than anything else. In the gate we use tox to do it, just for convience23:34
tonybmtreinish: okay.  I'll run up a kilo devstack to workout why they do what they're doing.23:36
gmannmtreinish: Thanks for reviewing service client patches.23:36
gmannmtreinish: microversion one are ready to review  -https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/api-microversions-testing-support+status:open23:36
openstackgerritMerged openstack-dev/devstack: Neutron VPNaaS: Set default service provider  https://review.openstack.org/25938523:36
mtreinishtonyb: I'm kinda confused by what those tests are importing tempest for. It looks like they're reusing the config file from tempest23:36
gmannmtreinish: have a look in your appropriate time23:36
mtreinishbut so far I haven't found any options theyre using except for the auth url and keystone version23:37
openstackgerritMerged openstack/tempest: Update global-requirement for tempest-lib  https://review.openstack.org/25926923:37
mtreinishwhich seems like a pretty poor reason to use the config file from tempest (which has a couple hundred options iirc)23:38
tonybmtreinish: yeah I have to admit I'm confused.  but that just means I have an oppotunity to learn something so that's good.23:40
mtreinishtonyb: well, I mean that assumes there's something to learn, instead of just unwrapping a tangled ball of yarn23:41
tonybmtreinish: yeah ok. fair call.23:43
mtreinishmordred: just a friendly reminder I did eventually review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/23671523:44
mtreinishit might have gotten lost in the noise (my slow turnaround didn't help)23:44
mtreinishgmann: ok, I'll try to take a look23:44
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gmannmtreinish: Thanks23:45
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/tempest: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/25653423:46
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