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| openstack | Launchpad bug 1564688 in OpenStack-Gate "/tmp/hudson5902744734221751235.sh: traceroute6: not found" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to Jeremy Stanley (fungi) | 00:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1449136 in OpenStack-Gate "OpenStack pypi mirrors disconnecting connections" [Undecided,New] | 00:12 |
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| fungi | hrm, i should pull out the e-r query for 1564688 i guess | 00:20 |
| fungi | it's only going to be false hits now | 00:20 |
| fungi | though it should also stop getting hit again shortly | 00:20 |
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| mtreinish | fungi: if you've fixed it wait 10 days for it to disappear from logstash and then propose the removal | 01:03 |
| mtreinish | or someone will get to it eventually when we do a query purge after it goes away | 01:03 |
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| fungi | will do. it was fixed last week. matches today are benign | 01:03 |
| fungi | i'll try to remember to propose the removal next week | 01:04 |
| mtreinish | oh, is the query just greedy and hitting on unrelated things? | 01:04 |
| * mtreinish didn't even look | 01:04 | |
| fungi | mtreinish: well, the query hits an error which meant a failure last week but is tailed with ||true now | 01:04 |
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| fungi | so we still report the failure but it's non-fatal | 01:04 |
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| fungi | and should also stop showing up completely within the coming hours as we get updated worker images online | 01:05 |
| mtreinish | fungi: ah, ok. Then it's up to you whether we want to remove it or not. Is there any value it graphing how often we see that error message? | 01:05 |
| fungi | not to me, at least, but i'm happy to let it fade through attrition as well | 01:05 |
| mtreinish | yeah, I'm thinking it'll cause more confusion then benefit. So we probably can remove it nowish instead of waiting for it to go away on it's own | 01:06 |
| fungi | mainly concerned people might think they're actually still hitting 1564688 when they actually failed for other reasons | 01:06 |
| fungi | right, that | 01:06 |
| fungi | i'll propose now | 01:06 |
| mtreinish | fungi: cool, thanks | 01:06 |
| mtreinish | masayukig: I'm about to call it a day, but if you get a chance I'm hitting a weird issue on the postgres tests in the gate on my latest patch stack: http://logs.openstack.org/11/301411/1/check/gate-subunit2sql-python34-db/6c586d2/console.html#_2016-04-05_01_05_54_982 | 01:08 |
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| mtreinish | the tests should be locked against each other before any db operations are performed so I'm not sure where the stray sessions are coming from | 01:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Remove query for bug 1564688 https://review.openstack.org/301413 | 01:09 |
| openstack | bug 1564688 in OpenStack-Gate "/tmp/hudson5902744734221751235.sh: traceroute6: not found" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1564688 - Assigned to Jeremy Stanley (fungi) | 01:09 |
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| mtreinish | I added STDOUT msgs in that patch I linked and it looks like the sessions are already gone by the time in logs | 01:09 |
| mtreinish | s/in/it | 01:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Remove query for bug 1564688 https://review.openstack.org/301413 | 01:19 |
| openstack | bug 1564688 in OpenStack-Gate "/tmp/hudson5902744734221751235.sh: traceroute6: not found" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1564688 - Assigned to Jeremy Stanley (fungi) | 01:19 |
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| masayukig | mtreinish: will look at it | 01:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Abhishek G M proposed openstack/tempest: Test Creation of server in a shared_network https://review.openstack.org/168910 | 09:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Benny Kopilov proposed openstack/tempest: Scenario - backup and attach restored encrypted volume https://review.openstack.org/301515 | 10:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack/tempest: deprecate use of tenant in configs https://review.openstack.org/301167 | 10:38 |
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| openstackrecheck | openstack/nova change: https://review.openstack.org/242717 failed because of: gate-grenade-dsvm-multinode: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1531187 | 11:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1531187 in OpenStack-Gate "subnode fails to be accessable over ssh" [Undecided,New] | 11:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Shinn'ya Hoshino proposed openstack-dev/devstack: Normalize path for upper-constraints https://review.openstack.org/301587 | 11:14 |
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| MatthewLi | hi I have a question about the infra-gate https://github.com/openstack-infra/devstack-gate | 11:23 |
| MatthewLi | Devstack-gate is a collection of scripts used by the OpenStack CI team to test every change to core OpenStack projects | 11:23 |
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| MatthewLi | if it's a stackforge project, can I add into the CI pipeline to use the gate functions? | 11:23 |
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| MatthewLi | such as this one https://github.com/openstack-infra/project-config/blob/master/jenkins/jobs/neutron.yaml#L39 | 11:24 |
| MatthewLi | is there anyone can answer this? :) | 11:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack-dev/devstack: Switch over swift to using $(project_id) in service catalog https://review.openstack.org/301117 | 11:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/tempest: Remove AuthorizationTestJSON tests https://review.openstack.org/271467 | 12:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-dev/devstack: change internal variables from tenant_id -> project_id https://review.openstack.org/301112 | 12:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-dev/devstack: change cinder SC to use $(project_id) https://review.openstack.org/301115 | 12:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-dev/devstack: switch over heat to using $(project_id) in service catalog https://review.openstack.org/301116 | 12:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack-dev/devstack: Create default flavors in nova https://review.openstack.org/301257 | 12:50 |
| sdague | andreaf: I apparently understand 0 about how the auth is all magically written | 12:51 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301167/ | 12:51 |
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| sdague | this should have been a simple cut over from one set of parameters to another, however it looks like the parameters automatically construct attributes by building up names | 12:52 |
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| penchal | Hi i have added new test cases on below path but this test case is not picking by testr list-tests | 13:03 |
| penchal | cat tempest/tempest/api/designate/v2/test_zone.py | 13:03 |
| penchal | and i follwed the unittest format but still it is not picking up by discovery | 13:04 |
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| andreaf | sdague: I guess it is possible now to make a v2 token request sending project instead of tenant? that wasn't the case some time ago | 13:27 |
| sdague | andreaf: no | 13:27 |
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| sdague | the point is all the config options are _tenant_ | 13:27 |
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| sdague | they should be _project_ | 13:27 |
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| andreaf | sdague: yes that I understand | 13:27 |
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| sdague | but the auth code requires those config options be fields inside the token, vs. being the user interface | 13:28 |
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| andreaf | sdague: the credentials object providers that separation - what I did at the time for v3, is translate any usage to tenant into project in the credentIal object | 13:31 |
| sdague | right | 13:31 |
| andreaf | sdague: the v3 auth provider then knows that project has to be sent to the API | 13:31 |
| sdague | but it really should be the other way around | 13:31 |
| sdague | all that does is enforces the old behavior and isn't forward looking | 13:32 |
| andreaf | sdague: we can do the other way around for v2 - translate any usage of project to tenant, and send tenant to the API | 13:32 |
| sdague | andreaf: right, I guess that's what has to be done | 13:32 |
| andreaf | sdague: well at the time people was still using tenant a lot even in v3, it is supported in clients at all | 13:32 |
| sdague | andreaf: sure, but we would really like to change that fact | 13:33 |
| andreaf | sdague: but the time may be ripe know to remove that and support only project in v3 | 13:33 |
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| andreaf | sdague: so I think there are two things needed | 13:33 |
| andreaf | sdague: one is to extend v2 to accept project, which is what you need to change the config options | 13:33 |
| andreaf | sdague: and the other one is remove support of tenant from v3, which is more of a clean-up - it doesn't have to go together | 13:34 |
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| sdague | ok, well this has gone past my threshold for cleanup time. I guess I'll just file a bug. | 13:35 |
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| andreaf | sdague: I think you were quite close to get that patch right - I can follow-up on that one if you wish | 13:37 |
| sdague | andreaf: ok | 13:38 |
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| andreaf | sdague: I have a much simpler solution for the auth part, just translate project to tenant before building the creds object | 13:58 |
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| andreaf | sdague: however pep8 fill fail on all the renamed options | 13:58 |
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| andreaf | sdague: so I'll do some search and replace for you :) | 13:59 |
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| mtreinish | masayukig: hah, yeah that'll probably do it. I forgot it connects to the DB for the skip check. The open session from that check outside the lock was racing with the teardown | 14:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andrea Frittoli proposed openstack/tempest: deprecate use of tenant in configs https://review.openstack.org/301167 | 14:41 |
| mtreinish | masayukig: err, looks like I'm still hitting it: http://logs.openstack.org/69/298069/5/check/gate-subunit2sql-python27-db/58bfa59/console.html#_2016-04-05_14_42_18_114 | 14:47 |
| mtreinish | must be something a bit deeper | 14:47 |
| mtreinish | it's probably related to my patch series, because I don't think I've seen this failure outside of these 2 patches | 14:47 |
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| bkopilov | Hi Experts , need help , i have a patch that works for me on liberty with centos but fails on upstream : cinder backup-restore encrypted volume | 14:55 |
| bkopilov | Here is the log : http://logs.openstack.org/15/301515/2/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-postgres-full-mitaka/c2e6425/logs/screen-c-bak.txt.gz | 14:55 |
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| mtreinish | bkopilov: http://logs.openstack.org/15/301515/2/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-full/fed9c54/logs/screen-c-bak.txt.gz?level=TRACE#_2016-04-05_11_45_56_452 looks pretty on point and across all the failed jobs | 14:58 |
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| dmellado | andreaf: regarding the deprecation on tenant, are you following up with the patch about cleaning the tempest code? | 15:20 |
| dmellado | I can tackle that if you're not | 15:20 |
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| andreaf | dmellado: I think this should do, but I'm waiting for CI https://review.openstack.org/301167 | 15:21 |
| andreaf | sdague ^^^ | 15:21 |
| dmellado | andreaf: I was thinking about for instance, the tenants clients and cred_client and so on | 15:22 |
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| andreaf | dmellado: well, tenant is still going to be called tenant in v2, so I don't expect the tenant client should be renamed - sdague is that right? | 15:23 |
| sdague | andreaf: right, I just want the tempest config vars renamed | 15:24 |
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| dmellado | sdague: andreaf allright then, then renaming that on the cred_client and so on wouldn't be really needed | 15:25 |
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| openstack | Launchpad bug 1531187 in OpenStack-Gate "subnode fails to be accessable over ssh" [Undecided,New] | 15:44 |
| bkopilov | mtreinish, Yes , it works on my centos / liberty ... trying to figure out | 15:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andrea Frittoli proposed openstack/tempest: deprecate use of tenant in configs https://review.openstack.org/301167 | 15:56 |
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| dmellado | bkopilov: did you try to make it pass on a local devstack | 15:59 |
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| bkopilov | dmellado, No ... i have packstack setup . Trying to understand , maybe there is a default type for cinder | 16:00 |
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| bkopilov | but it should works .... because cinder backup works , and restore should be ok | 16:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack-dev/devstack: switch over nova to using $(project_id) in service catalog https://review.openstack.org/301119 | 16:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack-dev/devstack: change tenant to project in keystone bootstrapping https://review.openstack.org/301161 | 16:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack-dev/devstack: convert tenant -> project for internal variables https://review.openstack.org/301160 | 16:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack-dev/devstack: use project_id instead of TENANT_ID in neutron internal functions https://review.openstack.org/301122 | 16:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack-dev/devstack: simplify colorized logging setup https://review.openstack.org/301801 | 16:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack-dev/devstack: unify logging setup on all services https://review.openstack.org/301802 | 16:10 |
| stevemar | sdague: nice | 16:12 |
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| sdague | well a bunch of those were just rebases from yesterday because gerrit is silly | 16:13 |
| sdague | but the logging stuff was crazy on it's own | 16:13 |
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| timothyb89 | mtreinish, masayukig: looks like npm is broken for us... https://github.com/npm/npm/issues/12196 | 17:35 |
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| timothyb89 | mtreinish, masayukig: I'm glad to see the npm guys test their changes directly in production :) | 17:38 |
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| sdague | andreaf: the patch fails at exactly the same place with token structures | 18:08 |
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| mtreinish | timothyb89: hah, nice. That seems pretty par for the course on npm | 18:21 |
| timothyb89 | mtreinish: pretty much... and this last couple of weeks have been especially troublesome | 18:22 |
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| jswarren | mtreinish: Is there an example of a tempest plugin that is mainted by one of the service teams that you could point me to? I'm trying to figure out what these plugins look like in practice since oomichi suggested moving negative cases outside of tempest. | 18:31 |
| jswarren | s/mainted/maintained | 18:32 |
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| mtreinish | jswarren: I don't think that is gonna happen. I don't feel there is a brightline for removal like what oomichi was suggesting. Just saying negative tests is kinda arbitrary | 18:32 |
| mtreinish | jswarren: but there are a bunch of examples | 18:33 |
| mtreinish | jswarren: http://codesearch.openstack.org/?q=tempest.test_plugins&i=nope&files=setup.cfg&repos= | 18:33 |
| jswarren | mtreinish: thanks | 18:34 |
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| rodrigods | question about tempest plugins... | 19:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed openstack-infra/subunit2sql: Rework migration 1679b5bc102c to not use the db api https://review.openstack.org/301369 | 19:03 |
| rodrigods | is it ok to import the clients? or it is preferred for us to copy them over? | 19:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed openstack-infra/subunit2sql: Add migration to move attrs and tags into columns https://review.openstack.org/298069 | 19:03 |
| mtreinish | rodrigods: are the clients in lib? | 19:03 |
| rodrigods | mtreinish, nope | 19:03 |
| rodrigods | in tempest.services | 19:03 |
| mtreinish | masayukig: ^^^ I think that was it, I was missing a close() | 19:03 |
| mtreinish | rodrigods: and which service are the clients for? | 19:03 |
| rodrigods | mtreinish, keystone | 19:04 |
| rodrigods | i mean... we have the clients in tempest.services | 19:04 |
| mtreinish | rodrigods: you should work on migrating those to lib and then import them from there :) | 19:04 |
| rodrigods | i want to use some of them in the keystone tempest plugin | 19:04 |
| rodrigods | mtreinish, got it | 19:04 |
| mtreinish | why does keystone need a tempest plugin? | 19:04 |
| rodrigods | thanks | 19:04 |
| rodrigods | mtreinish, negative tests? :) | 19:04 |
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| rodrigods | and to make sure new changes have a integration test tied to it | 19:05 |
| mtreinish | rodrigods: that's not a really good answer, negative tests can be better done at a lower level than an integration test suite | 19:05 |
| mtreinish | also there are negative tests in tempest. I'd argue any feature test that would go in a keystone plugin should be in tempest proper | 19:06 |
| rodrigods | mtreinish, hmm | 19:06 |
| mtreinish | especially given how key keystone is to everything | 19:06 |
| mtreinish | (yes, I really did make that bad pun :) ) | 19:07 |
| rodrigods | mtreinish, our idea is to leave the defcore in tempest | 19:07 |
| rodrigods | and have the not defcore tests in the keystone tree | 19:08 |
| mtreinish | and what is the distinction? because from my pov it's completely arbitrary | 19:08 |
| mtreinish | especially given the defcore list is just a subset of tempest given some interop requirements | 19:08 |
| rodrigods | mtreinish, right, there isn't a clear line | 19:08 |
| rodrigods | but things related to some APIs, like federation | 19:08 |
| mtreinish | rodrigods: I think federation is very important, it should be in tempest proper | 19:09 |
| rodrigods | mtreinish, even API tests? | 19:09 |
| mtreinish | rodrigods: what makes it any different from any other keystone api test in tempest? | 19:10 |
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| rodrigods | mtreinish, they are not, i'm talking about the APIs in general | 19:11 |
| mtreinish | rodrigods: you should be thinking about building a testing pyramid. You can have api tests that just spin up keystone dynamically and make requests against that (this is not a tempest plugin) | 19:11 |
| mtreinish | this'll be much quicker to iterate on and can cover every aspect of the keystone api including negative test cases | 19:11 |
| mtreinish | and then higher level tests or very important/critical tests should be in tempest (api or scenario doesn't matter) | 19:12 |
| mtreinish | but having a tempest plugin doesn't make sense because whatever you'd put in there should just be in tempest | 19:12 |
| rodrigods | mtreinish, what is the line between "tempest plugin" and not | 19:12 |
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| mtreinish | rodrigods: for keystone I don't feel there is one. If you want to write a tempest test case (ie blackbox assuming something already deployed, etc) that should just live in tempest | 19:13 |
| dstanek | rodrigods: o/ | 19:14 |
| rodrigods | dstanek, ^ can you read some of mtreinish thoughts above? | 19:15 |
| rodrigods | he has a point | 19:15 |
| mtreinish | rodrigods: the plugins are there mostly to enable testing which can't live in tempest to use the same mechanisms as tempest (like other projects outside the core iaas) or things out of scope for tempest | 19:15 |
| mtreinish | this barriers don't exist for testing keystone | 19:15 |
| mtreinish | s/this/these | 19:15 |
| rodrigods | mtreinish, my concern is also related to the existing gap we have in keystone current state | 19:15 |
| rodrigods | and its integration testing | 19:15 |
| rodrigods | since the core team is different, is really hard to require new features to have an integration tests | 19:16 |
| mtreinish | rodrigods: I agree the keystone integration tests are a bit light. But, there's never been anything blocking patches to improve that | 19:16 |
| rodrigods | mtreinish, the approach that i thought was exactly that, having something under keystone control would improve a lot its coverage | 19:17 |
| dstanek | mtreinish: i thought that bknudson had tests that he submitted, but were rejected because they didn't belong in tempest | 19:17 |
| bknudson | dstanek: that was a loooong time ago! | 19:17 |
| mtreinish | rodrigods: why? other projects don't have trouble with that. It just involves a bit of communication (which you're doing right now :) ) | 19:17 |
| dstanek | bknudson: so what's changed? :-) | 19:17 |
| bknudson | We used to have tests that showed that a v3 token could be validated using the v2 api or vice-versa | 19:18 |
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| mtreinish | dstanek: I don't know what you're refering to, do you have a link? | 19:18 |
| mtreinish | and those tests might have been out of scope, that doesn't mean it's a general thing for keystone tests... | 19:18 |
| rodrigods | mtreinish, do you have a suggestion about this new feature / tests going under tempest tree? | 19:19 |
| bknudson | example https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101977/ | 19:19 |
| dstanek | i just want tests for keystone that are black box tests and that test all of the feature and corner cases. we have been calling them functional tests which i think has confused some | 19:19 |
| bknudson | another example https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82309/ | 19:19 |
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| rodrigods | dstanek, ++ | 19:20 |
| rodrigods | and i want to start covering the gaps we have | 19:20 |
| rodrigods | so we won't have something like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285541/ again | 19:20 |
| mtreinish | bknudson: that first 1 we have equiv tests for on other projects and is definitely valid | 19:20 |
| mtreinish | it also had a +2 | 19:20 |
| mtreinish | bknudson: cli tests though those are out of scope for tempest (and don't exist anymore in tempest although the framework lives in lib) | 19:21 |
| bknudson | tempest probably has tests for keystone GET /v3 now anyways. | 19:21 |
| dstanek | mtreinish: i'd be happy to just start contributing tests into tempest | 19:22 |
| mtreinish | bknudson: that I don't know, but tbh given the state of things I would be surprised if there was any coverage for that | 19:22 |
| bknudson | It just seems like things have gone back and forth in tempest regarding whether you want single-project tests or not. | 19:22 |
| dstanek | mtreinish: besides cli tests, what doesn't belong? there doesn't seem to be a clear guideline | 19:23 |
| bknudson | if you don't want single-project tests then we'd put them in a keystone tempest plugin | 19:23 |
| rodrigods | mtreinish, since keystone is important for other projects | 19:23 |
| mtreinish | dstanek: there is never a clear guideline. It's kinda hard to have that, it's done on a case by case basis | 19:23 |
| rodrigods | why not add the keystone gate job for them? | 19:23 |
| mtreinish | bknudson: I wouldn't say single project tests are out of scope | 19:24 |
| mtreinish | that's never been the case | 19:24 |
| mtreinish | the thing for tempest is weighing the value of a test add against the growth of the size in the test suite | 19:24 |
| mtreinish | and ensure it's enforcement against all deployments for all releases | 19:24 |
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| dstanek | mtreinish: i started down the path of having our functional tests in the keystone repo because it was said that they were single project tests and didn't belong in the integration test suite | 19:25 |
| rodrigods | it is a blurry line every time | 19:25 |
| rodrigods | and seems to be related to ppl opinions | 19:26 |
| bknudson | so it would be interesting to have some idea of what function we think is missing in the identity tests | 19:26 |
| bknudson | I know we've been wanting to have federation testing. | 19:26 |
| rodrigods | bknudson, i'd say... a lot | 19:27 |
| mtreinish | dstanek: I don't know who said that, it wasn't me and it's never been a policy | 19:27 |
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| rodrigods | mtreinish, but you get our point? | 19:27 |
| rodrigods | i can for sure keep adding keystone tests to tempest | 19:27 |
| rodrigods | but we don't want to have this discussion everytime we want to add something very specific | 19:28 |
| bknudson | let's at least get rid of the admin/v3 directory. there's no admin v3. | 19:28 |
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| mtreinish | rodrigods: I hope we don't have a discussion this basic on every commit | 19:28 |
| rodrigods | mtreinish, me too :) | 19:29 |
| rodrigods | but... i think the best option for us right now is to have our plugin and see how things go | 19:29 |
| mtreinish | rodrigods: I disagree | 19:29 |
| mtreinish | because that sets a precedent in the wrong direction | 19:30 |
| rodrigods | mtreinish, we need to handle the feature/test gap | 19:30 |
| mtreinish | and is also worse for users and other external consumers of this | 19:30 |
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| mtreinish | bknudson: well there are commands that need an additional role and in the policy devstack deploys it's the admin role (I realize it's probably different in the v3_policy file or whatever that is) | 19:31 |
| mtreinish | that's the only reason that dir exists | 19:31 |
| dstanek | mtreinish: so it sounds like we should start by just proposing all of our tests to tempest. is that right? | 19:33 |
| mtreinish | dstanek: that's what I'd recommend | 19:33 |
| mtreinish | I'd also really like to see better keystone testing in tempest :) | 19:33 |
| bknudson | dstanek: rodrigods: what tests are you proposing? | 19:33 |
| rodrigods | bknudson, currently, i have only two simple tests | 19:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Chris Hoge proposed openstack/qa-specs: Add interop tags to defcore tests. https://review.openstack.org/301879 | 19:34 |
| dstanek | mtreinish: what do we do about optional features, like federation, where there is addional setup required? | 19:34 |
| rodrigods | but i intend to add a complete federation API/scenario testing | 19:34 |
| rodrigods | and HMT as well | 19:34 |
| dstanek | bknudson: none, yet. but there are lots of functional tests i'd evenually like to bang out | 19:34 |
| bknudson | you're going to need an IDP | 19:34 |
| mtreinish | dstanek: we'll need config options to tell tempest about the deployment features (and in federation how to talk to the other keystone or whatever) | 19:34 |
| mtreinish | and then we'll need devstack support so we can run that in the gate | 19:34 |
| mtreinish | having a test run is a requirement for it being approved (for obvious reasons) | 19:35 |
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| rodrigods | mtreinish, so let's say i add a new endpoint to keystone and we want to require of it to have a integration test | 19:36 |
| rodrigods | we will never be able to have that if all the tests are going to be proposed in the tempest tree | 19:37 |
| mtreinish | rodrigods: what kind of endpoint? | 19:37 |
| mtreinish | rodrigods: right for optional features or deployment configs you need to config guard against that | 19:37 |
| mtreinish | so the tests only run if tempest is configured to say it's available | 19:37 |
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| rodrigods | mtreinish, right | 19:38 |
| mtreinish | there's tons of that in tempest (it's the majority of the config file) | 19:38 |
| rodrigods | i'm talking about the current feature/gap issue | 19:38 |
| rodrigods | the solution is to require to have the tests written | 19:38 |
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| rodrigods | but having all of them in tempest doesn't escalate | 19:38 |
| rodrigods | since are two different teams | 19:39 |
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| bknudson | there's no I in team | 19:39 |
| bknudson | er | 19:39 |
| dstanek | bknudson: there is the way i spell it! | 19:39 |
| bknudson | we're all on the same team | 19:39 |
| mtreinish | hogepodge: I think you just like being controversial: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301879/ | 19:39 |
| hogepodge | mtreinish: to whom? | 19:39 |
| mtreinish | bknudson: ++, it's just a matter of talking to each other (which we're all capable of doing) | 19:40 |
| hogepodge | mtreinish: this was an action item from the defcore meeting | 19:40 |
| mtreinish | hogepodge: well me, that feels like a hard sell for me. We've always avoided trying to encode external requirements in the tempest repo :) | 19:41 |
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| mtreinish | but I'm not -1 yet on it, I guess I need to think about it | 19:41 |
| hogepodge | mtreinish: I can write it to make it better. I think we need a mechanism to let people know what defcore feels is important. A bunch of neutron tests in advisory status left tempest recently, for example. | 19:42 |
| mtreinish | hogepodge: there was a test removal, that normally has to go through a special procedure. Do you have a link? | 19:42 |
| hogepodge | mtreinish: sadly, no | 19:42 |
| rodrigods | bknudson, dstanek, mtreinish, right.. i meant something else, but ok :) | 19:43 |
| * hogepodge said that without direct evidence, which he knows is wrong and dangerous | 19:43 | |
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| rodrigods | bknudson, dstanek what is your opinion? | 19:43 |
| mtreinish | there is some refactoring that neutron is doing to try and deduplicate their mess of an internal tempest fork and the tempest tests | 19:43 |
| rodrigods | regarding having/not having the plugin | 19:43 |
| mtreinish | and to make that distinction much clearer | 19:43 |
| mtreinish | but I wasn't aware any removals had been proposed yet | 19:44 |
| mtreinish | if so they shouldn't have been approved without going through: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/QA/Tempest-test-removal | 19:44 |
| dstanek | rodrigods: i don't care if we have it or not. in the qa meeting a few weeks ago i thought we were being told to use it | 19:44 |
| rodrigods | mtreinish, that is what we are proposing actually | 19:44 |
| rodrigods | dstanek, yes... we were told :) | 19:44 |
| rodrigods | mtreinish, is not have 100% here or there | 19:44 |
| mtreinish | told you what? | 19:45 |
| hogepodge | mtreinish: I'l bring it up in the defcore meeting tomorrow, since others (I think markvoelker?) know more about the specifics | 19:45 |
| bknudson | so what's the opinion on negative tests? are those being removed from tempest? | 19:45 |
| rodrigods | mtreinish, we wanted to have corner case tests in tempest, but was suggested for us to add them in keystone tree instead | 19:46 |
| bknudson | or new ones are not accepted into tempest? | 19:46 |
| rodrigods | using tempest plugins | 19:46 |
| mtreinish | bknudson: no there is no clear direction on negative tests. Some want to blanket remove them, I personally don't view it as clear cut | 19:46 |
| mtreinish | there is a proposed summit session on the topic | 19:47 |
| bknudson | rodrigods: what's the corner case you're proposing? | 19:47 |
| mtreinish | there are some tests which just hit api input validation or the db which don't really make sense in tempest | 19:47 |
| mtreinish | because you can more effectively test that close to the project (and at a lower level) | 19:47 |
| rodrigods | bknudson, a negative test was an example | 19:47 |
| rodrigods | like | 19:47 |
| rodrigods | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292827/ | 19:48 |
| mtreinish | but there are real cases where a negative test (asserting something fails in an expected way) are valuable | 19:48 |
| bknudson | rodrigods: thanks | 19:49 |
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| bknudson | I guess that one's waiting on the summit discussion | 19:51 |
| rodrigods | bknudson, see the last comment | 19:51 |
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| bknudson | or, maybe it wouldn't be accepted either way | 19:51 |
| rodrigods | the -1 | 19:51 |
| bknudson | rodrigods: right, but mtreinish says that the policy might change. | 19:52 |
| bknudson | depending on the summit discussion | 19:52 |
| mtreinish | rodrigods: that -1 was jumping the gun, that meeting resulted in a ML discussion which was far from reaching a consensus | 19:52 |
| mtreinish | which is why there is going to be a summit session on that topic | 19:52 |
| rodrigods | thanks mtreinish, you clarified a lot of stuff | 19:57 |
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| rodrigods | have to leave here, but we will have further discussions about that | 19:57 |
| rodrigods | thanks bknudson and dstanek too | 19:57 |
| mtreinish | rodrigods: sure, np. Thanks for looking at this stuff (it's rarer than you'd think :) ) | 19:57 |
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| hogepodge | mtreinish: I was mistaken about tests moving out of tempest to neutron. | 21:27 |
| hogepodge | mtreinish: there are capabilities that are out of tempest tree that are being considered, which is where my confusion came from. | 21:28 |
| hogepodge | mtreinish: that's on me | 21:28 |
| mtreinish | hogepodge: ok, no worries | 21:28 |
| mtreinish | hogepodge: fwiw, the discussions armax, amuller, and I were having around that was if it's in tempest it's considered core functionality of neutron, but if it's in a tempest plugin out of tree it's extra stuff (like the advanced services) | 21:30 |
| mtreinish | so I'm not sure you'd want to use out of tree tests | 21:30 |
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| hogepodge | mtreinish: defcore has approved, if in theory but not in practice, out of tree tests. the tests in question are for subnet pools. | 21:32 |
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| andreaf | sdague: ok strange, I will check that tomorrow | 21:38 |
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| hogepodge | oomichi: hi, wanted to make you aware of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301879/ | 21:41 |
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| oomichi | hogepodge: ok, I am reading. by the way, how many tests of tempest in defcore now? | 22:15 |
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| oomichi | hogepodge: I am guessing defcore tests seem basic tests for the interoperability. that seems to mean smoke tests on some POV, and the tag is alerady haven in tempest. | 22:17 |
| oomichi | hogepodge: that is rough idea at this time, but it would be nice if defining defcore tests as smoke and we can test them on all gate jobs | 22:18 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: smoke and defcore are different. Smoke is just a quick sanity check to ensure the basic cloud functionality is working (like boot etc) | 22:18 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: yeah, I am guessing the difference. that is a reason why I ask the number of tests | 22:19 |
| hogepodge | oomichi: about 130, but it's going to increase soon | 22:19 |
| mtreinish | defcore is interop testing which is to ensure things work the same on different deployments. I think there is overlap but I don't think we should pigeonhole one in the other | 22:19 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: we also try to time box smoke so it's always fast executing | 22:20 |
| * oomichi is searching pigeonhole meaning.. | 22:20 | |
| hogepodge | oomichi: from what I understand, smoke suffers from ongoing maintenance of the tag? In this proposal, defcore would have to be an active contributor | 22:21 |
| mtreinish | fwiw, I'm fine with adding tags for things but I don't think we want to have an explicit defcore tag. (that's what the json file is for) | 22:21 |
| mtreinish | I think we should be tagging the features of a test which make it a good interop test | 22:22 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: yeah, if using the existing tag, we can avoid defcore specific tag | 22:23 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: no I don't think we have an existing tag to cover this case. It'll be a new set of categorizations | 22:23 |
| hogepodge | mtreinish: my concern is that if defcore is solely external, we rely on humans to check external source to see if changes impact downstream. This formalizes the relationship and puts it front and center for both sides (qa and defcore) to take ownership of | 22:24 |
| hogepodge | defcore tag says "this is the intersection of upstream and downstream" | 22:24 |
| oomichi | hogepodge: can you give me link for the list of Tempest tests on defcore? I'd like to check the difference based on my curious | 22:25 |
| hogepodge | plus, a reason for three tags. Two to identify the past and impending future. The third to evolve to. | 22:26 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: https://github.com/openstack/defcore/tree/master/2016.01 | 22:26 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: thanks again :-) | 22:26 |
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| hogepodge | oomichi: these are the guidelines: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/defcore/tree/2015.07.json http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/defcore/tree/2016.01.json | 22:26 |
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| hogepodge | oomichi: these are the tests: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/defcore/tree/2015.07/2015.07.required.txt http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/defcore/tree/2016.01/2016.01.required.txt | 22:27 |
| mtreinish | hogepodge: right, but my concern with that is tempest is in effect becoming the home for maintaining that list. Which is not something I think we want to be doing | 22:27 |
| hogepodge | oomichi: note that the last two links may be out of date. | 22:27 |
| oomichi | hogepodge: nice info. ok, will check it anyway | 22:28 |
| hogepodge | mtreinish: I want defcore to be responsible for those lists. We will be _active_ participants, and if we fail at that do the same as cinder ci and yank. | 22:28 |
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| mtreinish | hogepodge: sure, but I'm saying I don't think tempest is the place for that list to exist | 22:28 |
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| mtreinish | hogepodge: is the only concern here that there is nothing in tempest to indicate a test is defcore? | 22:30 |
| hogepodge | mtreinish: yes, it would be a side effect of the list, which is troubling. But, it allows end users to leverage the testing tools in a powerful way, and helps remove the need for third-party tooling (or, helps it along) | 22:30 |
| hogepodge | mtreinish: we also want to identify what it means for a test to be a defcore candidate. that's where the interop tag comes into play | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | hogepodge: so I think the interop tag (or a set of tags to indicate interop features) is less contentious | 22:31 |
| mtreinish | because we're just annotating aspects of tests | 22:31 |
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| hogepodge | mtreinish: if we assume that the current test list has deficiencies, a spec lets us say what we want an interop test to look like, the draw from that list. | 22:31 |
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| hogepodge | and rewrite/create tests that don't fall into that list | 22:31 |
| mtreinish | hogepodge: I also was just thinking we could very easily add a check to tempest that checks the defcore list for the presence of a test | 22:32 |
| mtreinish | just parse the json, loop over it, and search the test list | 22:33 |
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| hogepodge | mtreinish: so two specs? | 22:33 |
| hogepodge | (blueprints that is) | 22:33 |
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| mtreinish | hogepodge: maybe, the 1 for the extra testing will probably be pretty quick | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | not sure it needs a spec | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | hogepodge: also are the json blobs published anywhere (besides in the git repo) | 22:40 |
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| oomichi | mtreinish: hogepodge: that is a big difference between defcore and smoke tests. | 23:10 |
| oomichi | most defcore tests are compute: 110 | 23:10 |
| oomichi | but smoke tests of compute api is just 11 | 23:11 |
| eglute | hi everyone, sorry I am late to the defcore discussion here, oomichi mtreinish hogepodge | 23:11 |
| oomichi | I am droping my rough idea for using smoke tag for defcore | 23:11 |
| oomichi | eglute: hello | 23:12 |
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| eglute | just to be clear, as a committee, we have not discussed the tags in tempest yet as hogepodge proposed | 23:12 |
| oomichi | eglute: ok, so will defcore have the own tests by copying from tempest? | 23:13 |
| eglute | defcore still has a lot of growing up to do in terms of tests. 130 tests are not enough to test openstack interoperability, so 130 is just a start. we need to find a good way to add interop specific tests | 23:14 |
| eglute | oomichi so far, we have been using tempest tests, because they were available, and worked reasonably well for our purposes so far, but we started running into limitations and the fact that these are unit tests (as they should be) and not designed specifically to test interop | 23:15 |
| oomichi | eglute: what is different between tempest and interop purpose? | 23:16 |
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| oomichi | eglute: I'd like to know the difference because we will be able to get hits for improving tempest more | 23:17 |
| eglute | ideally, for interop purposes, we would test only the capability that we say we are testing, and nothing else | 23:17 |
| eglute | https://gist.github.com/dwalleck/898c6476421903c7e21d has some good examples, let me pull up a specific one | 23:17 |
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| oomichi | eglute: tempest also is doing that, what is nothing else you are saying? | 23:18 |
| eglute | tempest.api.compute.volumes.test_attach_volume.AttachVolumeTestJSON.test_list_get_volume_attachments tests tenants, users, networks, servers | 23:18 |
| eglute | which is fine for a unit test. however, for interoperability test, if we say "test list of volume attachments", it should not test those additional things | 23:19 |
| eglute | our goal is to eventually have the defcore tests be atomic, where one test tests one thing, not multiples. | 23:20 |
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| oomichi | eglute: you all want to verify each feature with a single test? but actually, clouds should work with multiple features for a single purpose as Tempest does | 23:23 |
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| oomichi | eglute: so I am not sure what is the main purpose here for interop thing | 23:24 |
| oomichi | tenants, users seem always necessary to work as cloud | 23:24 |
| eglute | oomichi we want to be explicit in which features are required. that is hard to do when the tests are not atomic | 23:24 |
| eglute | sure, that was one example. in the past, we had to flag (or remove) tests from defcore that were creating things on something that should test getting a list, and similar | 23:25 |
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| eglute | and yes, no one thing will work in complete isolation, but test should not make assumptions on how something is being used. | 23:27 |
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| oomichi | eglute: I see your point on your picked sample. yeah, that test consists of multiple services: nova and cinder | 23:29 |
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| oomichi | eglute: if having some better test idea for isolation, it is great if proposing patches to Tempest directly :-) | 23:30 |
| eglute | i think we will try to work on coming up with test specifications first, before writing new tests, so that we do not run into the same problems we currently have. We want to be explicit what is interop and what is being tested, rather than the test define what is interop. | 23:31 |
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| gmann | oomichi: eglute but having just single operation per tests is something done by tempest API tests(with common feature like networking, auth etc which should be tested) | 23:34 |
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| eglute | some of what i am saying may sound the same to you, but there is a lot of defcore history where we ran into these issues multiple times, so we do make the distinction now. | 23:34 |
| oomichi | gmann: a test eglute picked consists of multiple services calls: nova and cider on a single API test | 23:35 |
| eglute | gmann i am not sure what you mean | 23:35 |
| gmann | mtreinish: hogepodge oomichi : also having new tag in tempest does not seems good to me as tempest tests should be complete set of integration set which can be filtered based on requirement (smoke, interop etc) | 23:36 |
| gmann | oomichi: eglute yea that is one tests which should be in scenario tests actually, i have in my TODO list | 23:36 |
| gmann | but other API tests are just single tested operation | 23:37 |
| eglute | gmann, we started with these: https://gist.github.com/dwalleck/898c6476421903c7e21d | 23:37 |
| oomichi | gmann: cool for your TODO :-) | 23:37 |
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| oomichi | gmann: yeah, that is the same as my thinking before this discussion | 23:37 |
| gmann | oomichi: yea because saw lot of code duplication and timing issue in that while doing v2.20 microversion tests | 23:38 |
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| gmann | eglute: Thanks, i got your point now | 23:38 |
| gmann | eglute: but those are some combination we should tests to verify the operation success | 23:39 |
| oomichi | eglute: I'd like to understand your point cleary here | 23:39 |
| gmann | eglute: I mean if we have POST operation tests do GET also to confirm if that was completely success | 23:39 |
| oomichi | eglute: when creating a server on cloud(calling POST to /servers), defcore doesn't want to verify the server creation is success ? | 23:40 |
| eglute | gmann :) we understand that we are working with unit tests. in some cases, we had to remove tests from defcore, because the test claimed to test gettting a list, but was creating/deleting things as well | 23:40 |
| gmann | if just testing POST it can give 202 initially but can be failed later and interop gives false tests results to user | 23:40 |
| oomichi | gmann: yeah, that is the same for me | 23:40 |
| oomichi | :-) | 23:40 |
| eglute | oomichi the issue is more that the post is called on something that should be just a get | 23:41 |
| gmann | eglute: ok so for those tests we should have some resource created to have valid GET list | 23:41 |
| gmann | eglute: otherwise GET is just empty list | 23:41 |
| oomichi | eglute: yeah, we need to GET /servers/<server-id> for verifying the creation is success or not on Tempest | 23:41 |
| oomichi | eglute: in many time because the creation needs time | 23:42 |
| gmann | overall i mean tempest API tests, tests each operation by fulfilling the precondition etc to have complete testing | 23:42 |
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| gmann | oomichi: yea. | 23:42 |
| eglute | i agree that something should be there for the list to get, however, creating is a different capability as far as defcore is concerned | 23:43 |
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| oomichi | eglute: what is actual cocern on defcore now? | 23:43 |
| eglute | these are just some examples. in other cases, the create/delete actions might be done by admin user, where get would be available to all. | 23:44 |
| gmann | eglute: yea, i can understand defcore point that you want to show results per capability, but confirming the same might need some other operation to do | 23:44 |
| eglute | oomichi the main concern is that defcore needs to have interop specific tests, where we define what will be tested before tests are written. this is something we have discussed in defcore midcycle. we started with the test analysis, next we will work on specs for interoperability | 23:45 |
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| eglute | gmann right, and we fully expect that. see above example about admin/non admin as well | 23:46 |
| gmann | eglute: just curious, it will be in tempest or new tests written somewhere | 23:46 |
| oomichi | eglute: that is a nice direction | 23:47 |
| eglute | gmann that is going to be part of the debate, the specs will be in defcore repo (ones we get there) | 23:47 |
| eglute | i think we need to see what the specs look like before going forward with the tests | 23:47 |
| gmann | eglute: i see, i am sure if it other than tempest then we will end up with lot of duplication :) | 23:47 |
| eglute | gmann that is part of the discussion. we will need community support, so will see what can come up with | 23:48 |
| gmann | eglute: and about admin/non-admin also i will check but do not know exactly def core requirements | 23:48 |
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| eglute | gmann right now defcore requires that the tests would be non-admin user only | 23:49 |
| gmann | eglute: +1, where discussion is happening? ML or meeting? | 23:49 |
| oomichi | eglute: cool, yes. admin tests don't seem to fit to interop thing | 23:50 |
| gmann | eglute: i see. I think we have separated admin thing but not sure it was done completely . need to check non-admin gate job | 23:50 |
| eglute | gmann this is an ongoing discussion, most recently we covered some of it in defcore midcycle. we do have weekly irc meetings, next one is tomorrow at 16:00 UTC | 23:50 |
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| eglute | more info on tomorrows meeting: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreRing.18 | 23:51 |
| gmann | oomichi: how about starting having qa-defcore meeting for sometime till we short out all def core requirement ? | 23:51 |
| gmann | oomichi: hoping to consider my TZ too :) | 23:51 |
| gmann | eglute: Thanks, i will check | 23:51 |
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| eglute | gmann what time zone are you in | 23:52 |
| gmann | eglute: UTC+9 (Tokyo) | 23:52 |
| eglute | hm, sorry, looks like 16:00 UTC is in the middle of the night for you | 23:53 |
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| gmann | eglute: yea | 23:53 |
| eglute | well, the defcore meetings are logged (unless the irc bot takes a break), and we will take the bigger discussions to our mailing list | 23:54 |
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| gmann | eglute: yea that will be nice to get more opinion | 23:57 |
| eglute | we usually try to send things to mailing list(s). we have a defcore mailing list, and if it is some major change, we will post to others as well | 23:58 |
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| eglute | we also have IRC channel, #openstack-defcore | 23:59 |
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